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While it might be a good idea, no, no pets. Not only am I not allowed them in my apartment, but I don't think I have the, erm, responsibility cojones, if you see what I mean, at this point in time.

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John Greg wrote:While it might be a good idea, no, no pets. Not only am I not allowed them in my apartment, but I don't think I have the, erm, responsibility cojones, if you see what I mean, at this point in time.

Wait you don't want a pet because it is against the rules? So is suicide the last time I looked.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Cromwell.
Bastard
Faster than the fat arse Sherman (in fact so fast they had to govern its engine so it didn't blow)
More manoeuvrable than the clumsy Sherman - could play tag with the German beasties
Lower silhouette than the Sherman
And not given the friendly nickname of "tommy cooker" by the Germans.

http://i.imgur.com/n76f1ST.jpg

Alas it failed a clean sweep by having the 75 mm gun as the Sherman. Oh well.

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And don't give me shit about sloping armour. I established sometime back that German tanks in general, and the Tiger in particular, could penetrate the Sherman from the dark side of the moon.

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Brive1987 wrote:And don't give me shit about sloping armour. I established sometime back that German tanks in general, and the Tiger in particular, could penetrate the Sherman from the dark side of the moon.
Whoa calm down steersman.

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TFA has featured some guest bloggers of late, to no real value-add. I finally figured it out -- Hemant's banging this Rachel Ford chick:

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Brive1987 wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Cromwell.
Bastard
Faster than the fat arse Sherman (in fact so fast they had to govern its engine so it didn't blow)
More manoeuvrable than the clumsy Sherman - could play tag with the German beasties
Lower silhouette than the Sherman
And not given the friendly nickname of "tommy cooker" by the Germans.

http://i.imgur.com/n76f1ST.jpg

Alas it failed a clean sweep by having the 75 mm gun as the Sherman. Oh well.
Not so fast my friend, the game is not over yet! They did not have the same gun as the 75mm, just the same ammunition.

Cromwells carried the QF 6pdr or the QF 75mm which was a 6pdr bored out to take the American 75mm shells.
The reason they went with the 75mm was that in Italy, the HE shells of the 6pdr were inferior.

Although not nearly as good as the QF 17pdr, the 6pdr was still a pretty good AT gun, better than the M3 75mm as it had a much higher muzzle velocity and could fire tungsten core and sabot rounds.

So we can say that the 6pdr Cromwells pip the Sherman on that too.


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I'm losing track now. Who's Shermer penetrating? Germans? And something about Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon? WTF did I miss?

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Brive1987 wrote:And don't give me shit about sloping armour. I established sometime back that German tanks in general, and the Tiger in particular, could penetrate the Sherman from the dark side of the moon.
So you're saying that the Tiger was top, and the Sherman bottom?

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comhcinc wrote:
John Greg wrote:While it might be a good idea, no, no pets. Not only am I not allowed them in my apartment, but I don't think I have the, erm, responsibility cojones, if you see what I mean, at this point in time.

Wait you don't want a pet because it is against the rules? So is suicide the last time I looked.
Coincidentally, I had a tenant that tried to commit suicide and failed because his friend found him before he bit the green weenie.
That was 15? years ago and he has been an excellent tenant, so I'm glad I didn't kick him out.
He is doing well now, likely thanks to modern medicine.

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A tenant? Like a coyote subletting a part of your cave?

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Billie of Ockham, I would be very interested in your opinion on this piece- http://heterodoxacademy.org/2016/02/23/ ... ngs-false/ Also anybody else well-versed in psychology.
Our own Billie boy has weighed in with expertise & cutting insight on Dan Arel's post, where Dan gets his panties wet over a terribly sloppy social science survey that confirms SJW a priori conclusions on transgenderism:

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Brive1987 wrote: Lower silhouette than the Sherman
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Mattress Girl Emma Sulkowicz's show gets reviewed by the LA Times.
I am certainly guilty of pre-judging in this case but it sounds terribly boring.
The robotic Emma, Emmatron (I think MechaSulkowicz would have been a better name) was essentially inaudible.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ar ... story.html

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comhcinc wrote:A tenant? Like a coyote subletting a part of your cave?
Adjacent, but seperate DENS not caves!
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I had blood in my urine the other day and my first thought was "there's a transphobic joke in there somewhere."

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From 10/2015 but not outdated:

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Skep tickle wrote:From 10/2015 but not outdated:

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OK Skep, come clean. What percentage Zebra are you? :twatson:

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com said:
Wait you don't want a pet because it is against the rules? So is suicide the last time I looked.
My friend, there are no rules on suicide. You know, as well as I do, that when things becomce untenable and impossible, things become untenable and impossible.

'nuff said, friend.

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Listen, I do not want to die, really, I don't ... I do not want to no longer be; nonetheless, I do not want, will not, can not be a homeless old man living on the street. I won't, I can't.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Faster than the fat arse Sherman (in fact so fast they had to govern its engine so it didn't blow)
More manoeuvrable than the clumsy Sherman - could play tag with the German beasties
Lower silhouette than the Sherman
And not given the friendly nickname of "tommy cooker" by the Germans.

http://i.imgur.com/n76f1ST.jpg

Alas it failed a clean sweep by having the 75 mm gun as the Sherman. Oh well.
Not so fast my friend, the game is not over yet! They did not have the same gun as the 75mm, just the same ammunition.

Cromwells carried the QF 6pdr or the QF 75mm which was a 6pdr bored out to take the American 75mm shells.
The reason they went with the 75mm was that in Italy, the HE shells of the 6pdr were inferior.

Although not nearly as good as the QF 17pdr, the 6pdr was still a pretty good AT gun, better than the M3 75mm as it had a much higher muzzle velocity and could fire tungsten core and sabot rounds.

So we can say that the 6pdr Cromwells pip the Sherman on that too.


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Ah yes. I see some British units kept the 6pdr configuration especially early on - as the M72 75mm AP round was shit. I'm not sure whether the rebored QF 75mm was better or worse than a comparative US M3. It can't be good having a gun fire a heavier shell than it is designed to do so.

I have also read that the 6pdr was better at short range than the M3, even when he M3 was firing M61 ammo - but not so much as the range increased.

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John Greg wrote: , can not be a homeless old man living on the street. I won't, I can't.

So become a 6 year old girl. That's totally doable in this day. No one is going to let a 6 year old girl be homeless.

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John Greg wrote:com said:
Wait you don't want a pet because it is against the rules? So is suicide the last time I looked.
My friend, there are no rules on suicide. You know, as well as I do, that when things becomce untenable and impossible, things become untenable and impossible.

'nuff said, friend.

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Listen, I do not want to die, really, I don't ... I do not want to no longer be; nonetheless, I do not want, will not, can not be a homeless old man living on the street. I won't, I can't.

There is nothing after life. This knowledge has, at times (continuing), kept me from swinging merrily from a tree. It means (IMO) that we should try to stay alive as long as possible, just living and experiencing, and breathing. Even if it's fucking miserable, it's better than the end, for me. And given that life for a homeless man in North America is a hundred times better than for...guessing...a third of the world's humans, the choice seems clear.

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That guy in the bear movie was homeless and he seems to be alright.

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Hey here's something I didn't see picked up.

Novella on SGU having a "special report" on free speech and social justice - with special guest rogue Julia Gallef (sp?) who can be out spoken.

I'm just about to listen - but I caught Novella bellowing something about "free speech doesn't mean you can say anything"

#555. http://www.theskepticsguide.org
Starts at 40.02

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
John Greg wrote:com said:
Wait you don't want a pet because it is against the rules? So is suicide the last time I looked.
My friend, there are no rules on suicide. You know, as well as I do, that when things becomce untenable and impossible, things become untenable and impossible.

'nuff said, friend.

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Listen, I do not want to die, really, I don't ... I do not want to no longer be; nonetheless, I do not want, will not, can not be a homeless old man living on the street. I won't, I can't.
You think the hobbo visually raping McBoob didn't have a smile on his face?

There is nothing after life. This knowledge has, at times (continuing), kept me from swinging merrily from a tree. It means (IMO) that we should try to stay alive as long as possible, just living and experiencing, and breathing. Even if it's fucking miserable, it's better than the end, for me. And given that life for a homeless man in North America is a hundred times better than for...guessing...a third of the world's humans, the choice seems clear.

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Wow. What a bork.

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http://i.imgur.com/yakrgCl.jpg

Tiger 88 shell v Sherman 75mm shell.

But of course, I believe. Really, I do. Size doesn't matter

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I for one, anxiously await when the WWII talk will turn to submarines and the relative merits of the type VIIC vs Gato class submersibles.

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Brive1987 wrote:http://i.imgur.com/yakrgCl.jpg

Tiger 88 shell v Sherman 75mm shell.

But of course, I believe. Really, I do. Size doesn't matter
No doubt the German 88mm gun, first created as an anti-aircraft gun, was a terrific weapon. The reason the Germans created the Tiger tank was so they could mount the 88mm on a tank. Too bad the Germans couldn't make more, and too bad they ran out of gas.

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John Greg wrote:com said:
Wait you don't want a pet because it is against the rules? So is suicide the last time I looked.
My friend, there are no rules on suicide. You know, as well as I do, that when things becomce untenable and impossible, things become untenable and impossible.

'nuff said, friend.

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Listen, I do not want to die, really, I don't ... I do not want to no longer be; nonetheless, I do not want, will not, can not be a homeless old man living on the street. I won't, I can't.
Well, as much as I want you to be around, I can respect that. It is every person's right to decide when their life is no longer worth living, if said decision is made with a clear mind and full receipt of the facts at hand. I have a standby as well for such time as my illness and injury become burdensome for my family.

That being said, you have nothing to lose by consideration of other options, and you have the knowledge they are made by friends (albeit online ones, something that does not always diminish them in some regard) that value you.

Personally, while homelessness has no appeal, if I were a healthy person I would gladly hike the Pacific Crest Trail, living a minimalist life and perhaps taking a phone or tablet to write the next Great American Novel. Or porn, shit, if ReGreta can do it...I've read some, it's no Story of O. It's more readable than her blog.

It's also easier in warmer climes. Cheap booze, a sunset on a beach.

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John D wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:http://i.imgur.com/yakrgCl.jpg

Tiger 88 shell v Sherman 75mm shell.

But of course, I believe. Really, I do. Size doesn't matter
No doubt the German 88mm gun, first created as an anti-aircraft gun, was a terrific weapon. The reason the Germans created the Tiger tank was so they could mount the 88mm on a tank. Too bad the Germans couldn't make more, and too bad they ran out of gas.

Has steersman hacked your account?

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Slipterid wrote:
John Greg wrote:
And no, I will not buy a smelly wee beasty ferrret.
Ferrets are cute enough, but you couldn't do better than a guinea-pig for company. They snuggle and burble and are the closest you can get to a tribble.

Also I find the 'pit is good company for those lonesome times even when I cannot muster the spoons to post.

Laughter, coffee and guinea-pigs and/or cats. Plus move somewhere warm, by which I do NOT mean a crematorium. And as for sleep-overs, the 'pit is your real family and we got a lot of couches between us. We could club together for a round-the-world ticket, you get a REAL holiday and we get to keep you here. Just sayin'.
I remember our first pig. Laid on my belly, pissed on me, and then fell asleep burbling happily as I stroked it. So awesome; you are missed, Sweet William!
The advantage of a pot-belly pig or Guinea pig is that if they fail to work out as pets, they can be re purposed as something delicious.

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Brive1987 wrote:Hey here's something I didn't see picked up.

Novella on SGU having a "special report" on free speech and social justice - with special guest rogue Julia Gallef (sp?) who can be out spoken.

I'm just about to listen - but I caught Novella bellowing something about "free speech doesn't mean you can say anything"

#555. http://www.theskepticsguide.org
Starts at 40.02
I haven't watched or listened yet, but this is reportedly that excerpt:

[youtube]KNt9DJ3E1NA[/youtube]

See the comments...

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Here is my take:

Ok here is the SGU skinny.


Novella

Totally mansplained and dominates the conversation over Julia.

He basically just wants to say:
There are limits to FS - where harm is done to an individual
This harm includes bullying and harassment
These limits are subjective and form editorial policy
Trolls and FS supporters have formed an axis of evil
Trolls caused RW and feminists to become defensive
The middle is cowing in fear from trolls and defensive feminists
All his critics come from the FS extreme
The whole issue is grey and needs more discussion

Julia

True some extreme speech is unacceptable - rape etc
SJites have too big a basket of unconscionable speech
Hurt feelings does not equal harassment
Saying "don't tolerate harassment" doesn't get us far - SJ smuggle stuff in
Problem with harassment is "its all right when we do it" eg anti Christian parody
SJ is not simple - must differentiate between 'enthusiastic SJ' and 'sceptical SJ'
Must be able to criticise 'enthusiastic SJ'
Brings up Carriers with us or against us and A Plus
Brings up PZ's abuse of Nugent

Novella agrees - but quietly and quickly - without colour or emotion. And closes with the whole topic is very grey and needs more discussion.

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I don't think Novella has a clue about what modern feminism is based on. He doesn't want to accept that people react strongly when pernicious ideology gets injected into their rational environment. That he opens with "what's triggered this debate" demonstrates amply how out of touch he is.

Because they are out of the loop SGU are easily awed by the hate mail RW got and too easily conflate this with other legitimate (robust) satire and push back. They are quick to white knight the SJ 'victims' despite opining that a"thick skin is a civic responsibility".

All in all Novella came across as defensive, anxious to avoid specific incidents (cowing in fear himself of back lash) and way too quick to try and draw a safe generalised position based on examples of extreme circumstances.

Yes Steve. We can all agree that rape threats designed to intimidate are wrong.
But as Julia pointed out - that doesn't really advance the agurment much. At some point you have to also call bullshit on the SJ excesses as well as the "trolls".

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Brive1987 wrote:
Yes Steve. We can all agree that rape threats designed to intimidate are wrong.
Yes the rape threats designed to intimidate are wrong, but........wait are there other types?

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Brive1987 wrote:
Yes Steve. We can all agree that rape threats designed to intimidate are wrong.
Yes the rape threats designed to intimidate are wrong, but........wait are there other types?

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I'm thinking if the meta behind Francs cunt kick comment and comments that have a rape threat embedded but in a clearly ironic or hyperbolic manner. You know, like fucking someone into the ground for not selling you a gelato.

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I doubt any of RWs wall of shame comments came from within the movement. Yet this is what Novella repeated falls back on to define the right hand side edge of "the debate".

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The 88 was used extensively in an AT role in the Spanish Civil War. Helped no doubt by being able to depress its barrel below the horizontal and being able to be 'grounded' in less than three mins from a mobile posture.

By the time the Germans invaded France AT ammo and doctrine were SOP.

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My head is spinning. I need to sit down.

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Mine began in the roughly the same era, though it was difficult to know which periodicals were involved as I found all my grot pics as kid playing around abandoned railway lines. I don't know what it was about abandoned railway lines in the UK at the time, but they attracted torn-out 'nudey mag' (as we used to call them) pages as turds might attract a swarm of bluebottles*. Being that young, it seemed incomprehsensible to me why a bloke would want to buy a magazine devoted to 'nudey ladies' when there were plenty of motorbike and car magazines available. Also, despite being so young, it still struck me as vaguely...wrong that you'd sometimes find pages where the private parts of the good lady had been inexplicably ripped out. That in particular seemed very weird, even though - bizarrely enough - it seemed perfectly reasonable back then to expect to find such excerpts from choice periodicals in the bushes around abandoned railway lines.
I miss hedge porn. I swear kids nowadays don't know they're born. All they have to do is type in whatever they want to see and there it is. They're spoilt as fuck.
They'll never know the sheer joy of being 12 and seeing a distant page poking out of a hedge or blowing forlornly across a field. No other feeling like it. Of course there were the times when it wasn't worth getting excited about. "Porn Mirage" was common. You'd get to the treasure and instead of seeing a woman with a massive hairy minge and floppy tits it would be a page from the sports section of the Argos catalogue. You'd fall to your knees, the clouds would burst and a single tear would roll down your cheek.

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Brive1987 wrote:I doubt any of RWs wall of shame comments came from within the movement. Yet this is what Novella repeated falls back on to define the right hand side edge of "the debate".
Interesting summary - thanks for "enacting the labour".

However, "within the movement" looks kind of like a "no true Scotsman" type argument. And I note that Novella, in the YouTube comments, acknowledges the existence of "the excesses of fervent feminism" (now if only OB could do the same for "virulent feminism" ...) so I don't think he deserves all the stones you're throwing at him. But I also kind of get the impression that many, on both sides, have a tendency to lose sight of the differences between "some" and "all" - easier, I guess, to be self-righteous and indulge in "outrage", but hardly conducive to advancing the cause of "the movement".

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Bhurzum wrote:
Kristine wrote:She should pitch a tent on the grounds, go on hungrrrl strike, and video herself kicking herself out of her own safe space. :mrgreen:
How can she "pitch a tent" if she's a woman?

(I'm channeling my inner Butthead!)

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"How can she "pitch a tent" if she's a woman?"

That's simple!
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Tony Parsehole wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
John D wrote: My porn life really began when I discovered Penthouse in the late 1970s. At the time there were three main porn mags. Playboy was going for "tasteful", Hustler was going for full hardcore, and Penthouse had well photographed models in more hardcore poses. Penthouse was my favorite at the time.
Mine began in the roughly the same era, though it was difficult to know which periodicals were involved as I found all my grot pics as kid playing around abandoned railway lines. ....
I miss hedge porn. I swear kids nowadays don't know they're born. All they have to do is type in whatever they want to see and there it is. They're spoilt as fuck. .... You'd fall to your knees, the clouds would burst and a single tear would roll down your cheek.
A truly epic tale that deserves a Homer or a De Laurentis, or an Alexander Pope, to do it justice .... ;-)

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Steersman wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote: I miss hedge porn. I swear kids nowadays don't know they're born. All they have to do is type in whatever they want to see and there it is. They're spoilt as fuck. .... You'd fall to your knees, the clouds would burst and a single tear would roll down your cheek.
A truly epic tale that deserves a Homer or a De Laurentis, or an Alexander Pope, to do it justice .... ;-)
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Okay, Pitters, we should do this. John could get a career as a feminist critic.

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I still haven't listened to the SGU segment w/ Galef & Novella père but am going to take exception to the title of the clip on youtube: "Free Speech vs Social Justice".

Free speech & social justice aren't in opposition - unless "social justice" is code here for "authoritarianism", which would be a shame. Might as well just add "warriorship" in if that's what they meant.

AFAICT, social justice work is much more likely to be effective when people have the ability to speak freely and everyone understands that expressing an opinion is not anything like crushing sacrosanct eggshells. Free speech allows people to point out injustices that are invisible to, beneficial to, or even designed by those in the dominant culture. It better allows those who are being "helped" by people who mean well but are imposing a solution to say so & express their own views & participate in developing a solution.

Or maybe I just have my rose-colored glasses on again.

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Tigzy wrote:'Abandoned bomb craters'

Okay, the 'abandoned' there is nonsensical. But you know what I mean anyways.
Many bombs left their craters once they knew the war was over for them; in most cases, that would be on impact. But some didn't.

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[youtube]6KuD0Q8HTBI[/youtube]
Feeling sentimental. This one goes out to franc-

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Kirbmarc wrote:The West fought the Nazis but didn't deport all Germans to some isolated place.
Yes we did, we sent them all to... [jarring chord] Germany!

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Lsuoma wrote:
Shatterface wrote:'76 was Ladybird Summer.

Hard to picture it if you weren't there but try to imagine a red and black blizzard that lasted weeks.
And O Levels in insane temperatures.
I distinctly remember a heatwave in the low countries in '75, but WP tells me we had one in both '75 and '76.

A heatwave in .nl means you can release a fish mid-air and it'll happily swim away.

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I'm a few pages behind but just wanted to formally record my delight at Steersman's public declaration that possessing relatives with religious beliefs is a failing which a person can fairly be accused of.

Just let that sink in for a minute. His opponents' failings stem from beliefs that he suspects their relatives hold.

New low, Steerzoid. New low. But I do very much like how your slip is becoming less of a beige undergarment which occasionally shows, and more like a proudly displayed outer garment of vibrant colour. A brown shirt, even.

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Skep tickle wrote:I still haven't listened to the SGU segment w/ Galef & Novella père but am going to take exception to the title of the clip on youtube: "Free Speech vs Social Justice".

Free speech & social justice aren't in opposition - unless "social justice" is code here for "authoritarianism", which would be a shame. Might as well just add "warriorship" in if that's what they meant.

AFAICT, social justice work is much more likely to be effective when people have the ability to speak freely and everyone understands that expressing an opinion is not anything like crushing sacrosanct eggshells. Free speech allows people to point out injustices that are invisible to, beneficial to, or even designed by those in the dominant culture. It better allows those who are being "helped" by people who mean well but are imposing a solution to say so & express their own views & participate in developing a solution.

Or maybe I just have my rose-colored glasses on again.
Seems we all need to have some cheat-sheets with all of the idiosyncratic definitions to make sense of such situations. But I kind of expect that "social justice" is the short-form for "social-justice-warrior", many of whom seem to take exception to "excessive" levels of free speech - particularly that which is heavy on criticism of them. For instance, while I haven't listened to all of it either, I did notice that Galef was referring to or discussing the tendency of the millennials, particularly those at US colleges and presumably who qualify as SJWs, to be more likely to support limitations on free speech.

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Bhurzum wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:This is rich, coming from someone who has trouble telling apart a Salafi from a Sufi.
Even I know that!

Salafi = red towel on head
Sufi = blue

Right?
A salafi is a sausage with a lot of garlic, and a sufi is made of cooked, puffed-up eggs.

This is the cooking topic right?

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Brive1987 wrote:Faster than the fat arse Sherman (in fact so fast they had to govern its engine so it didn't blow)
More manoeuvrable than the clumsy Sherman - could play tag with the German beasties
Lower silhouette than the Sherman
I keep reading 'Steersman' for 'Sherman' here, I don't know why.

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feathers wrote:A salafi is a sausage with a lot of garlic, and a sufi is made of cooked, puffed-up eggs.

This is the cooking topic right?
Armies of cooking ninjas.

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College Undergraduates Not Tolerating Sexism (C.U.N.T.S)

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Couch wrote:I'm a few pages behind but just wanted to formally record my delight at Steersman's public declaration that possessing relatives with religious beliefs is a failing which a person can fairly be accused of.

Just let that sink in for a minute. His opponents' failings stem from beliefs that he suspects their relatives hold.

New low, Steerzoid. New low. But I do very much like how your slip is becoming less of a beige undergarment which occasionally shows, and more like a proudly displayed outer garment of vibrant colour. A brown shirt, even.
De nada; no problemo; always happy to call a spade a shovel. However, as a minor quibble, en passant, you might note the following from the article on ad hominems:
Doug Walton, Canadian academic and author, has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue, as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning (discussing facts about the speaker or author relative to the value of his statements) is essential to understanding certain moral issues due to the connection between individual persons and morality (or moral claims), and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning (involving facts beyond dispute or clearly established) of philosophical naturalism.
And since you're probably referring to the tweet that Kirbmarc quoted earlier, here it is again in its glory so you might appreciate the context, although you might click on the tweet link to get a better understanding:

My point was that both Namazie and, presumably or potentially, Kirbmarc may have been letting allegiances to relatives - not wanting their feelings hurt, for example - get the better of their reason. Which, given both Namazie's podcast with Harris and Kirbmarc's rather obstinate refusal to concede that some Western democracies have limits on free speech, sure looked like cut-and-dried cases of people's "conduct, character, or motives being relevant to the issue".

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Steersman wrote:
Couch wrote:I'm a few pages behind but just wanted to formally record my delight at Steersman's public declaration that possessing relatives with religious beliefs is a failing which a person can fairly be accused of.

Just let that sink in for a minute. His opponents' failings stem from beliefs that he suspects their relatives hold.

New low, Steerzoid. New low. But I do very much like how your slip is becoming less of a beige undergarment which occasionally shows, and more like a proudly displayed outer garment of vibrant colour. A brown shirt, even.
De nada; no problemo; always happy to call a spade a shovel. However, as a minor quibble, en passant, you might note the following from the article on ad hominems:
Doug Walton, Canadian academic and author, has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue, as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning (discussing facts about the speaker or author relative to the value of his statements) is essential to understanding certain moral issues due to the connection between individual persons and morality (or moral claims), and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning (involving facts beyond dispute or clearly established) of philosophical naturalism.
And since you're probably referring to the tweet that Kirbmarc quoted earlier, here it is again in its glory so you might appreciate the context, although you might click on the tweet link to get a better understanding:

My point was that both Namazie and, presumably or potentially, Kirbmarc may have been letting allegiances to relatives - not wanting their feelings hurt, for example - get the better of their reason. Which, given both Namazie's podcast with Harris and Kirbmarc's rather obstinate refusal to concede that some Western democracies have limits on free speech, sure looked like cut-and-dried cases of people's "conduct, character, or motives being relevant to the issue".
No, I had read the Twitter exchanges and the subsequent posts here and my post above was made in that connection.

I think what you've done is, at least in respect of Kirbmarc, worse than an ad hominem. And that is becuase you've read enough of the guy's work here to know he's admirably intellectually detached and coolly rational. I think, and I'd expect most who saw your tweet think, that it was as nasty and probably racist attempt by you to dog-whistle and poison the well because you were being owned in the argument on its merits.

As I said, Steers, new low. Keep it up, matey.

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Gumby wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote:Deport the fuckers - every last one of them - and close the borders to them: at least those who won't repudiate those decidedly odious aspects.
Fuck that.

Use them as moving targets for the armed forces and save some tax payers money in the process. The scumbags make excellent "fast movers" when their backs are on fire.

Also, unlike the standard "falling plate" targets we use, they're biodegradable.

You say "Moslem" and I say "training value" ;)
I think you just gave the Steersbot his first orgasm that he didn't have to pay for.
:) Though you might consider that we all - men, women, and otherkin, however defined - do so, in one coin or another, even if it's only opportunity costs. And, considering the Standard Model of Physics, one might suggest that it's quid pro quo all the way down.

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