The Refuge of the Toads

#9901

comhcinc wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:
blitzem wrote:
But you were okay with the inexplicably powerful Gary Stu known as Luke I take it? Greatest Jedi evar, apparently.
Luke takes 2 full movies to get good. Mary Rey took 15 seconds.
He didn't single handedly destroy the most power weapon in the galaxy with an impossible shot by himself in the first movie?

"It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters. "

#9902

OK, its not a Sherman, but I thought some of you shitlords might be interested:

http://www.armslist.com/posts/4616205/o ... ive-cannon

#9903

comhcinc wrote:
Outed1TimeAsGrey! wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Ghost busters..
I would list it under paranormal with say X-files or Casper, rather than sci-fi with Bladerunner or Paul.

Just indicating my surprise to learn how out of step I am with others who describe it as sci-fi.

Am I to be sent back to re-education camp?
Things can have more than on classification.

True, but the science fiction content is less than The Legend of Hell House or Poltergeist where hauntings were subject to scientific study.

If I recall correctly Dan Ackroyd was a big fan of real-life psychic investigator/fraud Harry Price.

#9904

It will get better, it seems, you stealing cheating bastards...

http://www.thisisanfield.com/wp-content ... akho02.jpg

I was actually in Liverpool the other week. Would have stayed longer, if I would've understand anything anyone tried to tell me. Why can't we all talk English with each other?[/quote]

Scouse isn't English - that for the southern jessies :P

#9905

Shatterface wrote:
If I recall correctly Dan Aykroyd was a big fan of real-life psychic investigator/fraud Harry Price.

Aykroyd's father is a true believer paranormal researcher (ametuar) and his grandfather was a big player in spiritist movement.

#9906

I'm not that bothered about the Ghostbusters reboot, it's The Blues Sisters that has me worried.

#9907

Note Sjw "news" outlet is Gawker is finally in court about the Hogan thing.

This is a great source of news about it.

#9908

Suet Cardigan wrote:For those who don't think the new Ghostbusters film is pushing an agenda:

melissa-mccarthy-kristen-wiig-ghostbusters-female-crew__oPt.jpg

#GirlPowerSoWhite :twatson:

#9909

Not looking forward to Private Ben and Earth Boys Are Easy either.

#9910

Someone forgot to update their CC details ...

#9911

Dave wrote:
comhcinc wrote:[quote="katamari Damasi]
Luke takes 2 full movies to get good. Mary Rey took 15 seconds.
He didn't single handedly destroy the most power weapon in the galaxy with an impossible shot by himself in the first movie?

"It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters. "[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
Plus, didn't Captain McSplody almost get a hit, but they "deflected on the surface?" Then he blowed up good. He blowed up reeeeel gud.

#9912

Shatterface wrote:Not looking forward to Private Ben and Earth Boys Are Easy either.

Actually Earth Boys are Easy sounds like it could be good.

#9913

Outed1TimeAsGrey! wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Ghost busters..
I would list it under paranormal with say X-files or Casper, rather than sci-fi with Bladerunner or Paul.

Just indicating my surprise to learn how out of step I am with others who describe it as sci-fi.

Am I to be sent back to re-education camp?

Maybe we'll run into each other, because I agree with you here. It's a paranormal comedy, and the backpacks and containment system don't add up to enough to append the "science fiction" tag. IMO.

#9914

comhcinc wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Not looking forward to Private Ben and Earth Boys Are Easy either.

Actually Earth Boys are Easy sounds like it could be good.

Just googled it and there is, inevitably, an adult movie called Earth Guys Are Easy

#9915

Duuuuuuuuuuuuh.

#9916

comhcinc wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Not looking forward to Private Ben and Earth Boys Are Easy either.

Actually Earth Boys are Easy sounds like it could be good.

I thought it sounds like a spin on

[youtube]ZNmwwz07ftA[/youtube]

and it you like that - the entire movie (in colour) is on youtube.

#9917

MarcusAu wrote: the entire movie (in colour) is on youtube.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... 8sw578.gif

#9918

With various comments about GhostBusters, I am reminded that almost any comment about anything reveals how widespread human opinion is and how it is possible to get into an extended disagreement over classifications of movies or (dare I mention it) the value of the Sherman tank.

I have lived in property with shared ownership (condominiums) where neighbours have accused each other of conspiracies and illegal acts, or even of being tyrants over what appeared to be initial misunderstandings or comments made in stressful or rushed moments.

Youtubers misinterpreting each other and going off on tangents ending with calling the other 'idiot' reminds me of the third day of a Christmas family get together.

That kind of ability to turn trivia into travesty makes me ask:

How do teams ever get anything done?

#9919

comhcinc wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: the entire movie (in colour) is on youtube.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... 8sw578.gif

Things are not always what they appear to be:

[youtube]YuTY-PM4q10[/youtube]

#9920

Outed1TimeAsGrey! wrote:With various comments about GhostBusters, I am reminded that almost any comment about anything reveals how widespread human opinion is and how it is possible to get into an extended disagreement over classifications of movies or (dare I mention it) the value of the Sherman tank.

I have lived in property with shared ownership (condominiums) where neighbours have accused each other of conspiracies and illegal acts, or even of being tyrants over what appeared to be initial misunderstandings or comments made in stressful or rushed moments.

Youtubers misinterpreting each other and going off on tangents ending with calling the other 'idiot' reminds me of the third day of a Christmas family get together.

That kind of ability to turn trivia into travesty makes me ask:

How do teams ever get anything done?

#9921

Benson reasserts the value of equality feminism.

Feminism isn’t the belief that women are magical god-like beings. It’s the belief that women are people coupled with the belief that people should have equal rights.

Burn witch.

http://archive.is/Dd0Ql

#9922

Gumby said:

It's a paranormal comedy, and the backpacks and containment system don't add up to enough to append the "science fiction" tag.

Yes.

If Ghostbusters, or this recent Ghosbustiers, are Sci-Fi, then Avengers is melodrama.

Or summat....

#9923

Outed1TimeAsGrey! wrote: or (dare I mention it) the value of the Sherman tank.

I'm sorry. Did someone actually position themselves in the Sherman's corner - apart from celebrating it as the eminently crushable but ultimately unstoppable cockroach horde of Normandy?

#9924

Brive1987 wrote:
Outed1TimeAsGrey! wrote: or (dare I mention it) the value of the Sherman tank.
I'm sorry. Did someone actually position themselves in the Sherman's corner - apart from celebrating it as the eminently crushable but ultimately unstoppable cockroach horde of Normandy?

Fuck you future man! If it's good enough for James Garner it's good enough for me.

[youtube]KlKRjY6Juic[/youtube]

#9925

Brive1987 wrote:Benson reasserts the value of equality feminism.

Feminism isn’t the belief that women are magical god-like beings. It’s the belief that women are people coupled with the belief that people should have equal rights.
Burn witch.

http://archive.is/Dd0Ql

The same applies, mutatis mutandis, to other movements for equal rights. The whole point of universal rights is to detach them from value judgments in order to make them apply across the board, no matter what.

Mutatis mutandis? Does this mean? Steersman is Benson... Benson is Steersman... ?

NOOOOOO

https://media2.giphy.com/media/VQxdDzvRoEwrm/200.gif

https://m.popkey.co/3e4852/KMQKL.gif

#9926

I would have pegged you.

As a Kelly's Hero fan.

#9927

comhcinc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Outed1TimeAsGrey! wrote: or (dare I mention it) the value of the Sherman tank.
I'm sorry. Did someone actually position themselves in the Sherman's corner - apart from celebrating it as the eminently crushable but ultimately unstoppable cockroach horde of Normandy?

Fuck you future man! If it's good enough for James Garner it's good enough for me.

[youtube]KlKRjY6Juic[/youtube]

Are you calling me a Pussy Communist?

#9928

John Greg wrote:Gumby said:

It's a paranormal comedy, and the backpacks and containment system don't add up to enough to append the "science fiction" tag.
Yes.

If Ghostbusters, or this recent Ghosbustiers, are Sci-Fi, then Avengers is melodrama.

Or summat....

:clap:

#9929

Brive1987 wrote:I would have pegged you.

As a Kelly's Hero fan.

That too but you have to admit that the movie Tank is proof that the Shermer was the best tank of WWII. Has any other tanks been used to break out a wrongfully convicted teenager in the southern united states?

#9930

comhcinc wrote:
That too but you have to admit that the movie Tank is proof that the Shermer was the best tank of WWII.

Was he involved in the Rape of Nanking?

#9931

Gumby: :)

#9932

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: what the fuck were they thinking?
If you want women to go watch a sci-fi movie, put four hunks in it! But frankly, it is a sci-fi movie, duh!
And if you're going to put women in a sci-fi movie, put them Nude On The Moon.

So Nude ON The Moon aren't actually nude, bloody lunar liars. I bet it is still knocks Star Wars out the park. :D

#9933

John G,

Just listened to a couple of your tracks (from the link in your sig).

Very Cool.

Do I detect a Warren Zevon influence?

[youtube]5MSfhdJxZ_U[/youtube]

#9934

http://i.imgur.com/BPkggzB.png

Mocking people who have names from outside Northern Europe?

Tut, tut PZ.

Tut, tut.

:o :naughty: :snooty:

#9935

Brive1987 wrote:Benson reasserts the value of equality feminism.

Feminism isn’t the belief that women are magical god-like beings. It’s the belief that women are people coupled with the belief that people should have equal rights.
Burn witch.

http://archive.is/Dd0Ql

FFS, "It’s the belief that women are people" are they still pushing this bullcrap. It must be true because all the books written before anybody had even heard of feminism used to have 'people AND women' in them. :roll:

It must be mandatory to have a lobotomy when becoming a feminist as nothing else can explain their unmitigated stupidity.

#9936

Brive1987 wrote:Benson reasserts the value of equality feminism.

Feminism isn’t the belief that women are magical god-like beings. It’s the belief that women are people coupled with the belief that people should have equal rights.
Burn witch.

http://archive.is/Dd0Ql

I still can't figure out why Benson pledges absolute allegiance to 3rd wave feminism, think anyone anti-feminist is a misogynist, hates everything about Milo when Milo and Julie Bindel agree on almost everything, was herself fucked over by feminist SJWs, loves radfems and Germaine Greer, whom SJW loathe, etc, etc. and so on.

I've come to the conclusion that Benson just isn't that bright.

#9937

MarcusAu wrote:John G,

Just listened to a couple of your tracks (from the link in your sig).

Very Cool.

Do I detect a Warren Zevon influence?

[.youtube]5MSfhdJxZ_U[/youtube]

Always nice that some people here are into Zevon (too). This one is also in my top 10 of him. Others I like are all harmonically similar. My favourite is probably Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner, which I certainly posted before.

The Headless Thompson Gunner, who didn't say a word (always cracks me up). As two nice covers.
Guy with Guitar
Unique young woman's home recording

The original is with Neil Young, this a nice cover by Pete Yorn
Splendid Isolation

In no particular order...

Boom Boom Machini
Piano Fighter
Roll with the Punches
For My Next Trick I Need a Volunteer
Poisonous Lookalike

Probably forgot some. Jackson Browne covered a lot of Zevon. Here's one.

[youtube]NyTBiZE3WZg[/youtube]

#9938

While I am at it. I am usually incapable of listening to the lyrics when I hear music and have to make an effort. But here's another song where I spotted great storytelling.

A gloomy love story in a Cold War missle facility.

Josh Ritter - Temptation of Adam

[youtube]kvCeCVmJAUA[/youtube]

#9939

I assume everyone is busy watching Tank.

#9940

Hunt wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Benson reasserts the value of equality feminism.

Feminism isn’t the belief that women are magical god-like beings. It’s the belief that women are people coupled with the belief that people should have equal rights.
Burn witch.

http://archive.is/Dd0Ql
I still can't figure out why Benson pledges absolute allegiance to 3rd wave feminism, think anyone anti-feminist is a misogynist, hates everything about Milo when Milo and Julie Bindel agree on almost everything, was herself fucked over by feminist SJWs, loves radfems and Germaine Greer, whom SJW loathe, etc, etc. and so on.

I've come to the conclusion that Benson just isn't that bright.

A conclusion I think that may be shared by many. In fact I'd go as far as to say she's a dullard. In all the years her bullshit has been exposed here and on other fora, her typing come across at best as obvious and platitudinous and at worst insanely paranoid and delusory. I have learned more from the short punchy off the cuff remarks here and across the web from thousands of people than from her years of (ahem) labour.

She's little more than a poisonous turd that was dragged along by the rising wave of Atheism a few years back and caused a stink every time she bobbed to the surface.

#9941

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BPkggzB.png

Mocking people who have names from outside Northern Europe?

Tut, tut PZ.

Tut, tut.

:o :naughty: :snooty:

I bet he sat there all pleased with himself thinking it was funny, clever and acerbic. Mocking Dinesh D'Souza is so easy that it one step away from ridiculing handicapped children.

#9942

d4m10n wrote:
Old_ones wrote: I must have missed the part where Wooly went full Sarkeesian and declared that the new ghostbusters movie oppresses men...
Did you miss the part where she accused the movie of promoting "fucking feminist ideology" based on watching a few minutes of preview? Just like the SJW, she seems to sincerely believe that there is something more than box office returns at stake here.

i'm more impressed that she spent that much time psychoanalyzing a mediocre trailer.

I bet she could get a full hour out of two paragraphs of text and a half-assed animated GIF.

#9943

Billie from Ockham wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:The new GhostBUSTers film has FLOP written all over it.

I'm eagerly awaiting the SJW salt tsunami.
If the SJWs want to remake a good movie with women replacing the men, why couldn't they choose something like Brokeback Mountain, instead?

The logic behind it seems fairly obvious: nostalgia + socially aware + targeting the majority of the population = $$$

as others have said, real money was spent on this. It may flop, but anyone thinking there's a reason for this getting made other than $$$$$$$$ has no understanding of how the film industry thinks.

#9944

Don't think I saw this posted

http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/07/wha ... gressives/

Strong article

#9945

comhcinc wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
I suppose you also think that they started making comics about a female version of Thor, because turning the manliest man in Norse mythology into a woman is just an obvious decision that makes total sense, right?

Your equivalencies are false and silly.

You understand that in the past Thor has been a robot, a horse face alien, and a frog? Thor has been a lot of things but his has never been a woman.

Also: an orangutan, a female mutant (Storm), the silver surfer, a vampire, a skrull, a woman on multiple occasions, deadpool, a poppupian, and...a dinosaur.

The only real requirement in the comcis to be "thor" is to be able to wield Mjolnir.

#9946

jet_lagg wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
My jimmies are fine. It's just a joke at point and anyway I won that argument.
Only in your mind, my very young padawan ;)

I am fine with people pushing certain agendas in movies. In the Star Wars example with Abrams I think he went about it in a good way. He wanted more black people so he made a Storm Trooper, who are faceless anyway, black. You can disagree with his choice of actor or the story or whatever but you have to admit he went about it in a good way.

Feig wants more diverse roles for women. He in the past has done a good job. This time it doesn't look like he did.
I'll admit I liked Boyega in the movie (I liked Rey too, everyone was very likable), but I won't admit Abrams went about it in a good way. A good way, in my not so humble opinion, would just be casting the guy and saying it's because he was the best fit for the role. Do you think affirmative action policies are racist not just to the people excluded, but to the minorities as well? Because I do. It cheapens their accomplishments, and that's what I saw happen here.

He also cast a woman as a stormtrooper. Funny, no one seemed to mind that. He put a black person as a stormtrooper for the same reason MLK basically begged Nichelle Nichols to not quit Star Trek.

#9947

katamari Damassi wrote:
blitzem wrote:
jet_lagg wrote: It's why Star Wars gets an awful ~~Mary Sue~~ inexplicably powerful space wizard who will totally make sense in the sequels, promise.
But you were okay with the inexplicably powerful Gary Stu known as Luke I take it? Greatest Jedi evar, apparently.
Luke takes 2 full movies to get good. Mary Rey took 15 seconds.

Luke went from only ever having flown the equivalent of piper cubs and hovercraft to being the best pilot in a three-dimensional ground attack keeping up with the best pilots in the rebellion and defeating the best pilots in the Empire save one.

Oh, and he's evidently a crack fucking shot in a combat situation. In spite of the fact he's never been in one. Don't forget the aerial gunnery expertise, in spite of the fact he's never been near that weapon ever.

Luke was mary su-ing from the get-go.

#9948

jet_lagg wrote:
comhcinc wrote: When I say he went about in a good way I mean that if it was going to happen anyway right or wrong then the way Abrams did it was good. A lot of people complain that in Hollywood actors are already excluded by race and honestly I am okay with that. I am okay with a directors saying he wants a white guy for this role and a Canadian in this role and a black woman in that role.

I'm not advocating an entirely color blind approach. If I'm cast a black actor to play on audience expectations (whatever I perceive them to be) then no harm no foul in excluding the white actors. Or maybe I just like the skin tone for purely aesthetic reasons(could you imagine a white Blade? Awful). Again, no harm no foul in excluding white actors. What bothers me is doing it for these sort of arbitrarily defined diversity points that the SJWs seem to love so much. It's implicitly stating that Boyega needed help to get that role, which I find insulting.

It also doesn't help that I disagree with Abrams on the existence of the problem to begin with. If Hollywood is the prime example of modern racism than I'd say we're doing phenomenally well as a species.

where, exactly, did Abrams actually say that.

#9949

comhcinc wrote:I assume everyone is busy watching Tank.

<hipster>I saw it in the theaters when it was new.</hipster>

I actually thought it was well-done. Enjoyed the heck out of it.

#9950

For anyone who's interested in a Trump insight that stops short of calling his supporters terrible people, here's Peggy Noonan's piece, which I liked. http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp ... d=15791036

#9951

Feminism is just the belief that women are people coupled with the belief that we need to unsettle dominant Western assumptions, narratives, and representations which tend to privilege the natural sciences and often emerge through the co-constituted processes of colonialism, patriarchy, and unequal power relations:

Glaciers, gender, and science: A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research (found at KiA)

In contrast to trends in masculinist glaciology, one example of alternative glacier representations includes glacier-oriented visual and literary arts, which are particularly illustrative of how ice may be meaningful and significant beyond common efforts of control and domination. Visual and literary arts re-position and re-envision glaciers as greater than their usual status as passive research subjects and into various cultural fields comprised of social myths, images, characters, performances, and artworks. Artists including Resa Blatman, Zaria Forman, Camille Seaman, Spencer Tunick, Claudia Märzendorfer, and Joan Perlman articulate new narratives of human-glacier relationships by approaching ice through feeling and affect, emotional response, sense of place, the personal and the intimate, kinship and family rather than through the attributes and characteristics of the dominant, masculinist scientific glaciology often characterized by control, prediction, ice penetration, measurement, and quantification.

Other literature tackles emotional, psychological, and sexual interactions with glaciers. Alexis Smith’s (2012) debut novel Glacier features a main character who acts both as a metaphor and a voice for the shrinking glaciers that she dreams about vividly, and depicts individuals’ and communities’ psychological experiences and challenged identities through glacier loss. In Sheryl St. Germain’s (2001) ‘To Drink a Glacier’, the author interprets her experiences with Alaska’s Mendenhall Glacier as sexual and intimate.

Such alternative representations of glaciers are rarely incorporated or even acknowledged within greater discourses of glaciology and global environmental change research. Yet their voices should not simply be disregarded, overshadowed by Western science, or, worse, relegated from policy contexts where, in fact, the human experience with ice matters greatly. These alternative representations from the visual and literary arts do more than simply offer cross-disciplinary perspectives on the cryosphere. Instead, they reveal entirely different approaches, interactions, relationships, perceptions, values, emotions, knowledges, and ways of knowing and interacting with dynamic environments. They decenter the natural sciences, disrupt masculinity, deconstruct embedded power structures, depart from homogenous and masculinist narratives about glaciers, and empower and incorporate different ways of seeing, interacting, and representing glaciers – all key goals of feminist glaciology.

#9952

Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Benson reasserts the value of equality feminism.

Feminism isn’t the belief that women are magical god-like beings. It’s the belief that women are people coupled with the belief that people should have equal rights.
Burn witch.

http://archive.is/Dd0Ql

The same applies, mutatis mutandis, to other movements for equal rights. The whole point of universal rights is to detach them from value judgments in order to make them apply across the board, no matter what.
Mutatis mutandis? Does this mean? Steersman is Benson... Benson is Steersman... ?

NOOOOOO

[.img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/VQxdDzvRoEwrm/200.gif[/img]

[.img]https://m.popkey.co/3e4852/KMQKL.gif[/img]

:-) But I think I got that phrase from Justicar a coon's age ago so that must mean ....? ;-)

#9953

Went surfing, and this blog's assessment of the T-34: it was a piece of crap:

http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.com/ ... f-war.html

http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.gr/2 ... oviet.html

Discuss.

#9954

Aneris wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:John G,

Just listened to a couple of your tracks (from the link in your sig).

Very Cool.

Do I detect a Warren Zevon influence?

[.youtube]5MSfhdJxZ_U[/youtube]
Always nice that some people here are into Zevon (too). This one is also in my top 10 of him. Others I like are all harmonically similar. My favourite is probably Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner, which I certainly posted before.

The Headless Thompson Gunner, who didn't say a word (always cracks me up). As two nice covers.
Guy with Guitar
Unique young woman's home recording

The original is with Neil Young, this a nice cover by Pete Yorn
Splendid Isolation

In no particular order...

Boom Boom Machini
Piano Fighter
Roll with the Punches
For My Next Trick I Need a Volunteer
Poisonous Lookalike

Probably forgot some. Jackson Browne covered a lot of Zevon. Here's one.

[.youtube]NyTBiZE3WZg[/youtube]

Don't listen to a lot of music, particularly on YouTube, but I have liked this one of Zevon's in particular as it has a catchy tune if some offbeat lyrics:
[youtube]iDpYBT0XyvA[/youtube]

So will probably put those other ones of his into the jukebox.

#9955

comhcinc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I would have pegged you.

As a Kelly's Hero fan.

That too but you have to admit that the movie Tank is proof that the Shermer was the best tank of WWII. Has any other tanks been used to break out a wrongfully convicted teenager in the southern united states?

[.img][/img]

And what else may have received a good Ol' Southern vote of best practice?

:think:

http://i.imgur.com/HOK16S2.jpg

#9956

welch wrote:
comhcinc wrote:I assume everyone is busy watching Tank.
<hipster>I saw it in the theaters when it was new.</hipster>

I actually thought it was well-done. Enjoyed the heck out of it.

It's a simple story that's well done. I liked it as a child and I still like it today.

#9957

Brive1987 wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I would have pegged you.

As a Kelly's Hero fan.

That too but you have to admit that the movie Tank is proof that the Shermer was the best tank of WWII. Has any other tanks been used to break out a wrongfully convicted teenager in the southern united states?

[.img][/img]
And what else may have received a good Ol' Southern vote of best practice?

:think:

http://i.imgur.com/HOK16S2.jpg

Real southerners don't eat grits. We just feed that shit to yanks when they come here so they think we do.

#9958

Hmm. I heard grits are the perfect condiment for hushpuppies.

#9959

welch wrote: Luke went from only ever having flown the equivalent of piper cubs and hovercraft to being the best pilot in a three-dimensional ground attack keeping up with the best pilots in the rebellion and defeating the best pilots in the Empire save one.

Oh, and he's evidently a crack fucking shot in a combat situation. In spite of the fact he's never been in one. Don't forget the aerial gunnery expertise, in spite of the fact he's never been near that weapon ever.

Luke was mary su-ing from the get-go.

I don't want to get into this at length, since I get the impression the pit gets annoyed when we debate geeky film stuff (far preferring to flame over the relative merits of WWII tanks), but no, Luke didn't become the best pilot in the rebellion. He was part of a large team. He narrowly avoided getting blown out of the sky thanks to an assist from Solo who was an extraordinary pilot, and then he managed to land a shot of a difficulty level we're explicitly told he had made many times before, and even then (probably because it's stressful, under new circumstances, and we're trying to add some actual tension to the scene) only after tapping into an ability they'd been setting up through dialogue and visual storytelling the entire length of the movie.

This isn't me nitpicking over the inevitable nonsense that sneaks into any good story. We all know you need to fudge a little. That's why the drunken vietnam vet who's only flown cropdusters since the war steps into a modern jet in Independence Day and we just kind of say "yeah, why not." If he started dogfighting like Will Smith? People will get a little bit irked. And Rey went way beyond that. So far beyond it I wonder what the point of debating the matter is. If someone doesn't think she was as clear an example of a Mary Sue as James Bond? Nothing I can say is going to convince that person.

where, exactly, did Abrams actually say that.

I don't want to be a dick, dude, but I did say he "implicitly" stated it.

#9960

You can tell the Yankees because they add sweet stuff to their grits, whereas Southerners add salt and pepper, maybe butter.