The Refuge of the Toads

#13441

Git wrote:Was reading the pit on my phone earlier whilst having a shit, and I wasn't logged in. Seeing the same old masturbatory hate-filled shite from VickyCaramel (blocked when logged in) wasn't pretty.

People like her will *always* come up with reasons to justify their judenhass

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The difference this time however is that Jews can and do defend themselves. And have learned to be good at it.

So the Jews having had enough of being pushed around by the Germans, armed themselves with American army surplus and marched off to the middle east to defend themselves against the unarmed Palestinians.

I suspect git gets text alerts when somebody badmouths Israel.

#13442

Don't care, he's on my ignore list since 12:30 pm GMT+1. All better now.

#13443

piginthecity wrote:
Dave wrote: How badly to you have to piss off your priest/imam/minister/whatever that your penance is to try and convert a bunch of shit-talking atheists?
I don't think that this Jim is here for punishment. More for practice.

Jim's lot (and by this I mean both Bahais and freelance woo-mongers of the "many paths one god" variety) seek to practice the technique of disagreement-by-agreement.

The idea is to say to a rival religionist "Yes, you're absolutely right." Then proceed to explain why everyone else is also "absolutely right" and to leave the poor schmuck to draw the inevitable conclusion that the Bahai (or woo-monger) is the rightiest of all. And that therefore despite being "absolutely right" all the other religions are actually completely wrong.

What Jim is trying to do, is once he's settled on where abouts to start his thread, obtained all the necessary permits, permissions and approvals and crowdsourced the title, is to, within the hallowed halls of the special thread, tell us that we, atheists of the slymepit are all absolutely right and correct and our chosen path is as valid a path to the manifestation of the one true god as any other, and the proof of this is that he, Jim, bestows his seal of approval on us on behalf of Bob McBab of the Baobabs or whoever.

Hence Mission Accomplished !

A technique that is easily flanked.

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#13444

VickyCaramel wrote:
Git wrote:Was reading the pit on my phone earlier whilst having a shit, and I wasn't logged in. Seeing the same old masturbatory hate-filled shite from VickyCaramel (blocked when logged in) wasn't pretty.

People like her will *always* come up with reasons to justify their judenhass

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maher.jpg
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The difference this time however is that Jews can and do defend themselves. And have learned to be good at it.
So the Jews having had enough of being pushed around by the Germans, armed themselves with American army surplus and marched off to the middle east to defend themselves against the unarmed Palestinians.

I suspect git gets text alerts when somebody badmouths Israel.

Though I'm probably more on Git's side than yours concerning Israel and the retardation of many of her ME haterz, I must admit this is funny as hell and probably true.

#13445

Cunning Punt wrote:Oh look, Git's back. Who'd have thought.

I'm always here.

Usually others say things much better than I ever could. So I've generally nothing to add except hugs.

#13446

Ericb wrote:
Git wrote:Was reading the pit on my phone earlier whilst having a shit, and I wasn't logged in. Seeing the same old masturbatory hate-filled shite from VickyCaramel (blocked when logged in) wasn't pretty.

People like her will *always* come up with reasons to justify their judenhass

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The difference this time however is that Jews can and do defend themselves. And have learned to be good at it.
I was wondering if you had some kind of Bat Phone that sounds the alarm when someone here starts talking about Israel/Palestine.

I actually keep reading the pit even when I don't post.

Usually nowt to add to the bloody excellent job most peeps do here.

#13447

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Don't care, he's on my ignore list since 12:30 pm GMT+1. All better now.

Pardon me Phil. I am interested in posting about my newest community building. The Hall of Justice. It is a place for everyone in the community come meet and discuss philosophy. A place wear drug dealers, the homeless, Parcheesi players and the gravitationally challenged are all welcome.
http://i.imgur.com/HDToHyl.jpg

#13448

piginthecity wrote:
Dave wrote: How badly to you have to piss off your priest/imam/minister/whatever that your penance is to try and convert a bunch of shit-talking atheists?
I don't think that this Jim is here for punishment. More for practice.

Jim's lot (and by this I mean both Bahais and freelance woo-mongers of the "many paths one god" variety) seek to practice the technique of disagreement-by-agreement.

The idea is to say to a rival religionist "Yes, you're absolutely right." Then proceed to explain why everyone else is also "absolutely right" and to leave the poor schmuck to draw the inevitable conclusion that the Bahai (or woo-monger) is the rightiest of all. And that therefore despite being "absolutely right" all the other religions are actually completely wrong.

What Jim is trying to do, is once he's settled on where abouts to start his thread, obtained all the necessary permits, permissions and approvals and crowdsourced the title, is to, within the hallowed halls of the special thread, tell us that we, atheists of the slymepit are all absolutely right and correct and our chosen path is as valid a path to the manifestation of the one true god as any other, and the proof of this is that he, Jim, bestows his seal of approval on us on behalf of Bob McBab of the Baobabs or whoever.

Hence Mission Accomplished !

Why here?

I mean other than we wont kick him out for being a tedious bore?

He can tell us how absolutely right we are and we are likely to disagree with him just for shits. Either that or post wrestling gifs or scat pictures. And unlike the woo-mongers we arent likely to conclude he is the rightiest right of them all as a result of this exercise, but merely that he is a nutter, something that most of us have already concluded.

Doesnt seem like practice that will translate well outside of here. So what does he get out of it? If he is truly of the "many paths are equally valid" school of woo, then hes not even getting the persecution point a diehard christian might gain from "braving the lions den" of atheists.

#13449

deLurch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Don't care, he's on my ignore list since 12:30 pm GMT+1. All better now.
Pardon me Phil. I am interested in posting about my newest community building. The Hall of Justice. It is a place for everyone in the community come meet and discuss philosophy. A place wear drug dealers, the homeless, Parcheesi players and the gravitationally challenged are all welcome.
http://i.imgur.com/HDToHyl.jpg

Would you accept me as Captain Danger, The One Who Hurts?

#13450

John D wrote:
deLurch wrote:
John D wrote:This looks like an opportunity for us. Let's pool our money together and buy this. I think we may be able to Jew the guy down a bit to get a better price. (I know we can't afford a Tiger tank, so this may be the next best thing).

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... rs4x4.html
What on earth would we do with the thing? Historical pieces are meant to be displayed, but any attempt to display that car would most likely be met with attempts to destroy it. Maybe a WWII war museum, but public museums might not want to take the PR risk on their reputation. Maybe a holocaust museum might be able to handle it, but that is about it. Beyond that, the only other hope is a private collection for a WWII buff. I personally am not interested in buying something that cannot be viewed and will collect dust.
Yea... I agree... what I really want is a Tiger tank. :P

I agree that having a Tiger Tank would be cool.
Tiger tanks are cool.
I could say that 1000000000000000000000000000000 times and never get tired.
It's too bad the true Kings of Military fashion and Awesomeness were the BAD GUYS.

#13451

Git wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:Oh look, Git's back. Who'd have thought.
I'm always here.

Usually others say things much better than I ever could. So I've generally nothing to add except hugs.

JIDF detected. Shut it down. Etc.

#13452

Kirbmarc wrote:
deLurch wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:If you can find a person here who doesn't believe religion is an actual threat to our species, I'd be shocked.
I don't believe religion intrinsically is a threat to our species.
I believe that religion is a threat to our species when it's given any amount of political or social power.

Private metaphysical speculations about the nature of reality or morality are largely harmless, just like astrology as a private hobby is largely harmless.

Looky here! We got ourselves a GEN YOU WINE blank-slater! ;) :P

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I tend to think that religion is based on innate human impulses and, as such, it is impossible to construct a society where some sort of religion doesn't have social power at least.

Heck, that's what the SJW religion (ostensibly secular, after all) is all about ! Social Status signalling.

#13453

d4m10n wrote:Any Londeners hereabouts?

no comment

#13454

And Vicky, as far as I'm concerned:

When it comes to western wankers from both sides of the political conflict trying to bring in your opinion, it's none of your fucking business. Let the Israelians-Palestinians sort their own shit among themselves. Anything else is very close to cultural appropriation.

#13455

Clarence wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Git wrote:Was reading the pit on my phone earlier whilst having a shit, and I wasn't logged in. Seeing the same old masturbatory hate-filled shite from VickyCaramel (blocked when logged in) wasn't pretty.

People like her will *always* come up with reasons to justify their judenhass

[img]
maher.jpg
[/img]

The difference this time however is that Jews can and do defend themselves. And have learned to be good at it.
So the Jews having had enough of being pushed around by the Germans, armed themselves with American army surplus and marched off to the middle east to defend themselves against the unarmed Palestinians.

I suspect git gets text alerts when somebody badmouths Israel.
Though I'm probably more on Git's side than yours concerning Israel and the retardation of many of her ME haterz, I must admit this is funny as hell and probably true.

It is worth pointing out that massive numbers of Jews are native to the Middle east, and lived in what is now Israel (Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority for hundreds of years). And a million odd Jews had to flee the rest of the middle east. They set up new lives in Israel.

It is the Arabs that are solely prolonging the conflict, largely prolonged by the victim complex of Islam. They'd rather stew in their own misery than treat non-Muslims as anything approaching equals.

But facts no doubt trigger VC. But its simple - Jews aren't going to lie down and die anymore just to please the likes of VC.

#13456

jet_lagg wrote:jimhabegger, if that really is why you are here, recruitment, you couldn't have chosen a worse forum. True, we mostly debate whatever comes up on a given day and laugh at SJWs, but everyone here is coming from a hard stance atheist/skeptic background. We're not just the sort of people who casually disbelieve. We're actively hostile to the idea. If you can find a person here who doesn't believe religion is an actual threat to our species, I'd be shocked.

Heddle turns up to drop his turds from time to time. But I can't think of anyone else.

#13457

Total number of people killed over a 100-odd years or so in the "Arab-Israeli" conflict: 60k or so.

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in the same time for being the wrong type of Muslim: up to ten million.

But if its not Jews, its not news of course.

#13458

MarcusAu wrote:
d4m10n wrote:Any Londeners hereabouts?

no comment

Comment: have you seen the rent prices in London?!? Fuck's sake, even my well earning friends are lucky enough to live in a cupboard, how could they manage hosting Alex's humongous schnoze.

#13459

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Would you accept me as Captain Danger, The One Who Hurts?

Sure, just make sure you dress appropriately with the head cone. I can't afford to have you licking yourself while we study the writings of Kal-El. You must also accept the Aquaman can fly.

#13460

deLurch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Don't care, he's on my ignore list since 12:30 pm GMT+1. All better now.
Pardon me Phil. I am interested in posting about my newest community building. The Hall of Justice. It is a place for everyone in the community come meet and discuss philosophy. A place wear drug dealers, the homeless, Parcheesi players and the gravitationally challenged are all welcome.
http://i.imgur.com/HDToHyl.jpg

Wouldn't the Legion of Doom be more appropriate for the Slymepit?

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd4 ... 97fd02.jpg

#13461

deLurch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Would you accept me as Captain Danger, The One Who Hurts?
Sure, just make sure you dress appropriately with the head cone. I can't afford to have you licking yourself while we study the writings of Kal-El. You must also accept the Aquaman can fly.

Oh, fuck off then, I'll join Hydra.

#13462

IIRC from Deadpool, they offer a great dental plan.

#13463

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
deLurch wrote:
John D wrote:This looks like an opportunity for us. Let's pool our money together and buy this. I think we may be able to Jew the guy down a bit to get a better price. (I know we can't afford a Tiger tank, so this may be the next best thing).

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... rs4x4.html
What on earth would we do with the thing? Historical pieces are meant to be displayed, but any attempt to display that car would most likely be met with attempts to destroy it. Maybe a WWII war museum, but public museums might not want to take the PR risk on their reputation. Maybe a holocaust museum might be able to handle it, but that is about it. Beyond that, the only other hope is a private collection for a WWII buff. I personally am not interested in buying something that cannot be viewed and will collect dust.
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Oh man! Haha. Now I want that Himmler truck more than ever. Comedy gold would be taking it to the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit. I could park it in front of the "Shrine of the Little Flower" which is the huge Catholic church here which was the home of Father Coughlin. He used a term called "Social Justice" to support Hitler and Mussolini in the 1930s. He was one of the first religious leaders to have a huge radio broadcast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

#13464

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:
d4m10n wrote:Any Londeners hereabouts?

no comment
Comment: have you seen the rent prices in London?!? Fuck's sake, even my well earning friends are lucky enough to live in a cupboard, how could they manage hosting Alex's humongous schnoze.

That's terrible bad of you to say, Phil. His nose may be large, but only in proprtion to the rest of his body, which is as wee as a leprechaun. He just wants to freeload and mooch, is that so bad? He thus shows off the benefits of an Oxford education very well, I think.

#13465

Anyway, back to my slumber. The Eschaton won't immanentise itself.

#13466

Can somebody tell git that rather that typing out all that bullshit, he could link to Christian-fundamentalist websites that are still pushing Zionist propaganda from the 1930s.

#13467

deLurch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Would you accept me as Captain Danger, The One Who Hurts?
Sure, just make sure you dress appropriately with the head cone. I can't afford to have you licking yourself while we study the writings of Kal-El. You must also accept the Aquaman can fly.

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#13468

Git wrote:Total number of people killed over a 100-odd years or so in the "Arab-Israeli" conflict: 60k or so.
Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in the same time for being the wrong type of Muslim: up to ten million.
But if its not Jews, its not news of course.

Not that I necessarily disagree with your other points, but on this one, the population of Israel is about 8.3 million. The population of the Middle East as a whole is 411.5 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... population

Are you sure your comparison still holds up?

#13469

VickyCaramel wrote:Can somebody tell git that rather that typing out all that bullshit, he could link to Christian-fundamentalist websites that are still pushing Zionist propaganda from the 1930s.

Better yet: can you explain what you mean by Zionist?

#13470

Git wrote:It is the Arabs that are solely prolonging the conflict, largely prolonged by the victim complex of Islam.

Anyone who blames it all on one side ... either side ... is either an idiot or ideologue.

If I missed a quote from someone on the other side being equally stupid, then you have my apologies.

#13471

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war ... s-book.gif

#13472

Ok, fuck Zion.

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#13473

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war ... s-book.gif

Apparently, the Joos made the Carribean disappear. Oy vey!

#13474

dogen wrote:
Apparently, the Joos made the Carribean disappear. Oy vey!

Nah, they all went to Ethiopia.

#13475

deLurch wrote:
Git wrote:Total number of people killed over a 100-odd years or so in the "Arab-Israeli" conflict: 60k or so.
Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in the same time for being the wrong type of Muslim: up to ten million.
But if its not Jews, its not news of course.
Not that I necessarily disagree with your other points, but on this one, the population of Israel is about 8.3 million. The population of the Middle East as a whole is 411.5 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... population

Are you sure your comparison still holds up?

From a socjus perspective, Israel is basically a jewish minority punching up against an oppressive arab/muslim majority.

#13476

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war ... s-book.gif

Zionism : (Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel, roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land... very roughly.... although some of the fundamentalist settlers think it should look more like this:-

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#13477

d4m10n wrote:Any Londeners hereabouts?

Doesn't he have a mother or grandmother he can stay with?

Here's hoping for snow over Easter.

#13478

John D wrote:Oh man! Haha. Now I want that Himmler truck more than ever.

Let me guess. You want to check the ashtray.

#13479

Shatterface wrote:
d4m10n wrote:Any Londeners hereabouts?

Doesn't he have a mother or grandmother he can stay with?

Here's hoping for snow over Easter.

Oooh, frozen shrimp!

#13480

John D wrote:
deLurch wrote:
John D wrote:This looks like an opportunity for us. Let's pool our money together and buy this. I think we may be able to Jew the guy down a bit to get a better price. (I know we can't afford a Tiger tank, so this may be the next best thing).

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... rs4x4.html
What on earth would we do with the thing? Historical pieces are meant to be displayed, but any attempt to display that car would most likely be met with attempts to destroy it. Maybe a WWII war museum, but public museums might not want to take the PR risk on their reputation. Maybe a holocaust museum might be able to handle it, but that is about it. Beyond that, the only other hope is a private collection for a WWII buff. I personally am not interested in buying something that cannot be viewed and will collect dust.
Yea... I agree... what I really want is a Tiger tank. :P

Why? Once we start to tool through the Russian steppes the transmission will seize....

We could get twenty Sherman's for the cost and time of construction of one tiger... And the Sherman's will make it to Berlin... Er um ..Moscow.

#13481

John D wrote:This looks like an opportunity for us. Let's pool our money together and buy this. I think we may be able to Jew the guy down a bit to get a better price. (I know we can't afford a Tiger tank, so this may be the next best thing).

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... rs4x4.html

I'd buy this and enter the Canonball Run dressed as a comedy Nazi.

Hilarity would ensue.

#13482

VickyCaramel wrote:
Zionism : (Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel, roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land... very roughly.... although some of the fundamentalist settlers think it should look more like this:-

nationalist and political

The part of Zionism you forget to mention (and which is very relevant to anti-Zionist Jews as well) is that the kingdom of Israel (Zion) must be heralded by the coming of the Jewish messiah, hence religious. It's a notion that doesn't seem to be present in modern Israeli politics. If it is, please correct me.

#13483

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
d4m10n wrote:Any Londeners hereabouts?

Doesn't he have a mother or grandmother he can stay with?

Here's hoping for snow over Easter.
Oooh, frozen shrimp!

Damn, I desperately tried to come up with a pun and drew a blank!

Maybe a cold snap will give him the opportunity to study glaciers from a feminist perspective.

Remember Gabe, don't cook in oil - it makes ice angry!

#13484

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Zionism : (Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel, roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land... very roughly.... although some of the fundamentalist settlers think it should look more like this:-

nationalist and political
The part of Zionism you forget to mention (and which is very relevant to anti-Zionist Jews as well) is that the kingdom of Israel (Zion) must be heralded by the coming of the Jewish messiah, hence religious. It's a notion that doesn't seem to be present in modern Israeli politics. If it is, please correct me.

I can't blame them if they got sick of waiting.

#13485

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Zionism : (Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel, roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land... very roughly.... although some of the fundamentalist settlers think it should look more like this:-

nationalist and political
The part of Zionism you forget to mention (and which is very relevant to anti-Zionist Jews as well) is that the kingdom of Israel (Zion) must be heralded by the coming of the Jewish messiah, hence religious. It's a notion that doesn't seem to be present in modern Israeli politics. If it is, please correct me.

While there are multiple schools of thought within Zionism, I have not heard of a Messianic Zionism before. Im not saying it doesnt exist, the world is a weird and wonderful place filled with all kinds of nutters, but it certainly is not prominent.

#13486

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Zionism : (Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel, roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land... very roughly.... although some of the fundamentalist settlers think it should look more like this:-

nationalist and political
The part of Zionism you forget to mention (and which is very relevant to anti-Zionist Jews as well) is that the kingdom of Israel (Zion) must be heralded by the coming of the Jewish messiah, hence religious. It's a notion that doesn't seem to be present in modern Israeli politics. If it is, please correct me.

Correct... and this was why the majority of Jews were anti-zionist until 1967. At this point they won a war and decided that this was a sign from god.

#13487

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Zionism : (Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel, roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land... very roughly.... although some of the fundamentalist settlers think it should look more like this:-

nationalist and political
The part of Zionism you forget to mention (and which is very relevant to anti-Zionist Jews as well) is that the kingdom of Israel (Zion) must be heralded by the coming of the Jewish messiah, hence religious. It's a notion that doesn't seem to be present in modern Israeli politics. If it is, please correct me.

According to my Catholic upbringing he came and went already.

But then again it also told me that the Pope was infallible, except when he was royally fucking up.....

#13488

Peez, the hackneyed 'Toon:

http://imgur.com/G0wRYAL.png

GSpellchecker, who knows what a hackneyed 'Toon looks like:

http://imgur.com/w6r5i6y.png

#13489

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Would you accept me as Captain Danger, The One Who Hurts?

I'm not sure who Captain Danger is - but I could definitely see you as Captain Scarlet

[youtube]bV8YbLvGrb0[/youtube]

#13490

Jews aren't fleeing Europe because of some belief in the End Times.

#13491

Fuck it, I don't know. I'm just stating what I know about it, without recourse to online resources. So if I was wrong all along, I'll admit it. But I seem to remember the Messiah/Zion argument from some very orthodox, very anti-zionist Jews. Maybe they lied.

#13492

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Fuck it, I don't know. I'm just stating what I know about it, without recourse to online resources. So if I was wrong all along, I'll admit it. But I seem to remember the Messiah/Zion argument from some very orthodox, very anti-zionist Jews. Maybe they lied.

No, that is an argument used against Zionism by some of the very religious. That stance is not very common here in the US, even among the very religious. The requirement for the arrival of the messiah first is not a standard part of Zionism as seen by most of either its proponents or its detractors. Today, it is mostly used as label for the political idea of "Israel First". When most of the jews around here eat shrimp and pork, I have trouble seeing them letting an obscure bible passage get in the way of their political desires.

#13493

Clarence wrote: Looky here! We got ourselves a GEN YOU WINE blank-slater! ;) :P

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I tend to think that religion is based on innate human impulses and, as such, it is impossible to construct a society where some sort of religion doesn't have social power at least.

Heck, that's what the SJW religion (ostensibly secular, after all) is all about ! Social Status signalling.

Oh, I agree with you. Some degree of religious social power, and therefore of religious harm, will always exist. Just like violence, theft, rape and murder will sadly always exist.

The key is to understand how you can minimize the impact of religion on society. "Western-style" secular democracies, IMHO, are the kind of societies which are the best at confining the power of organized religion to limited subsets.

I'm lucky enough to live in a country where the power of religion is already pretty limited, and I want to keep it that way, to try to improve what doesn't work and to avoid importing Muslim theocracy.

Guest_27324df6 · #13494

As far as I know it's the reason for support of Israel among some of the more cuckoo american christian cults. The belief that it fulfills the necessary requirements for the return of christ as set down in a prophecy. Again, as far as I am aware, in judaism the return to the land of Israel of the jewish people is a direct result of the appearance of the last Messiah, something that, unless I missed, no jew has claimed. If anything orthodox judaism should be against the continuing existence of Israel, from a theologically consistent perspective. It dovetails nicely with the beliefs of certain apocalyptic christian cults, though.

#13495

Spike13 wrote: According to my Catholic upbringing he came and went already.

But then again it also told me that the Pope was infallible, except when he was royally fucking up.....

Never mind, lad. You can't be right all the time and this might console you:

Greg Brown, in Brand New 64 Dodge wrote:And Jesus loves our president, even though he is a Catholic.

I drove out into the snowy countryside this morning to give away a couple of LP cleaning machines (don't worry, not giving up on vinyl, they were replaced by a better one and my basement flood is an excuse to get rid of some stuff). Inevitably, the audiophile I visited, whom I had never met before, wanted to play me some records. Lots of records. The Greg Brown wasn't too bad. All the same, nice to be home to the sound I know.

#13496

MarcusAu wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Would you accept me as Captain Danger, The One Who Hurts?
I'm not sure who Captain Danger is - but I could definitely see you as Captain Scarlet

[youtube]bV8YbLvGrb0[/youtube]

My favourite episode is when Captain Scarlet goes undercover as a patient to expose a Mysteron surgeon who is killing people on the operating table.

It takes a sick mind to come up with a plot like that.

#13497

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Fuck it, I don't know. I'm just stating what I know about it, without recourse to online resources. So if I was wrong all along, I'll admit it. But I seem to remember the Messiah/Zion argument from some very orthodox, very anti-zionist Jews. Maybe they lied.

No, you are correct. Many orthodox Jews are anti-zionists including many of the Palestinian Jews who refuse to have anything to do with the state (including handling their money) despite being annexed.

The original Zionists tended to be atheist, Marxist or Anarchist. But they played any angle they could get.

The vast majority of the worlds Zionists these days are fundamentalist Christians who need the jews to get back to the holy land so they can get slaughtered... and.... the second coming, or some such bullshit. It's mostly an American thing that is rather rare here.

#13498

I have awoken still saddened by the thought of all the Nazis who felt awkward in the 1950s and 1960s because their experience was ruined by a few extremists.

I also awoke to PZ feeling ashamed that he felt especially connected to the Belgian bombings and hadn't written pieces on every single culturally disconnected death across the world.

And no one here has mentioned that the Palestinians must be kicking themselves that they didn't join the Jews in accepting the original partition plans but instead went plan b - wars of annihilation. At least they had their Jordanian allies to fall back on.

Oh and the Orbit? It's jumped the shark - look what crept out of moderation.

http://i.imgur.com/RIoPjcg.jpg

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VickyCaramel wrote: The vast majority of the worlds Zionists these days...

Correction, the vast majority of the world's RELIGIOUS Zionists are Christians, Jews are not a very religious people, and not so many Israelis are making the religious argument.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Fuck it, I don't know. I'm just stating what I know about it, without recourse to online resources. So if I was wrong all along, I'll admit it. But I seem to remember the Messiah/Zion argument from some very orthodox, very anti-zionist Jews. Maybe they lied.

You're thinking about the Neturei Karta, I think. They're a frankly bizarre sect of Judaism that believe that the Jews should still wait for the Messiah to go back to Israel/Palestine/Canaan/the Promised Land etc.

So according to them Israel is actually blasphemous because they're daring to do God's job. :lol:

Like I said, regardless of your position on Israel/Palestine, they're pretty bizarre.