The Refuge of the Toads

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#13863

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#13864

The first image is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the second one is the Irish conflict, the third one is the rest of the world.

#13865

Tree guy is climbing down.

#13866

VickyCaramel wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: That is a bit like climbing into a shark tank saying, "Don't bite me, I just want to ride around on you for a bit, okay?"
It's a bit like climbing into a Sherman tank saying, 'don't shoot me with your 88; I just want to ride up to you in my high-profile, thin-armored piece of shit, until I get close enough to lob a lucky, low-velocity shot up your exhaust pipe.'
Was that an excuse to say "sherman" or an excuse to say "lob a lucky, low-velocity shot up your exhaust pipe"?

Okay, I admit it -- I'm coming on to you.

#13867

Billie from Ockham wrote:Tree guy is climbing down.

Figured there was no point since the goat left.

#13868

And it's over. Tree guy is being fed and then will head off to the psych ward.

#13869

John D wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
MacGruberKnows wrote:Raquel Welch actually auditioned for the role of Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island:

http://cdn.famefocus.com/wp-content/upl ... 04x700.jpg

But something about her did not say country bumpkin to the director.
Was it the belly-button that looks like it has been scarred by an infected piercing?
Really? Do you have a kind of belly-button hang up? Let's fix that.
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One of my other favorite shows was Lost In Space... for obvious reasons... I have probably posted this before... so please forgive me.

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#13870

I'm fucking bored, man. And boredom is the first step on the road to relapse.

The Freethought Orbiters need to step up their game. I was expecting a lot more laughs than this. Though Greta of all people calling out the lack of consent in Parks and Rec as problematic is pretty funny.

http://the-orbit.net/greta/2016/03/23/p ... ecreation/

#13871

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:How many of the 6 million ethnic Palestinians living abroad were born in 'Palestine'? If they weren't, they aren't 'refugees'.
The UN, which, in theory, knows how to define a "refugee," puts the number of Palestinians at 4.8 million. http://www.un.org/en/globalissues/brief ... /refugees/

From that link:

The 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees is the key legal document in defining who is a refugee, their rights and the legal obligations of governments. According to Article 1 of that Convention, a refugee is someone who has fled his or her country “owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.”

(My emphasis.)

the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) ... helps some 4.8 million registered Palestine refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and the occupied Palestinian territory.

(My emphasis.) No breakdown of those numbers provided.

Not sure of the UN's rationale for defining Palestinians inside the PA as 'refugees'.

In any case, accepting the 4.8 million total figure that in some part includes Palestinians inside Palestine, the 6 million figure seems inflated.

#13872

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:How many of the 6 million ethnic Palestinians living abroad were born in 'Palestine'? If they weren't, they aren't 'refugees'.
With regard to the second sentence above, I believe that somewhere in one or more of the 1951 UN Refugee Convention, the 1954 UN Statelessness Convention, and the 1961 UN Statelessness Convention, there is the provision that a child born of refugees outside of the country of the parents' citizenship, who would have been a citizen of the same country as his or her parents if born in that country, is deemed to be a citizen of that country and, therefore, a refugee.

I have no idea if the UN used that "rule" when coming up with 4.8 million as the number of Palestinian refugees.

The Silesians were forcibly removed in 1945-46. The Palestinians were forcibly removed in 1948. Do the grandchildren & great-grandchildren of those Silesian refugees have a Right of Return back into Silesia, and when they arrive, will they get to set up their own government?

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#13874

I don't remember if I've promoted my friends from Myrath's latest video.

Super ubber cool Tunisian metal:

[youtube]z2lztdrfrcw[/youtube]

#13875

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:The Silesians were forcibly removed in 1945-46. The Palestinians were forcibly removed in 1948. Do the grandchildren & great-grandchildren of those Silesian refugees have a Right of Return back into Silesia, and when they arrive, will they get to set up their own government?

If that was both aimed at me and not rhetorical, my response is that I have no fucking idea. I didn't look into what rights a second-, third-, or fourth-generation refugee might have because that wasn't the question. The question ... as I saw it ... was whether a person born outside of country X could be considered a refugee from country X. You said that they can't. The UN disagrees. Take any further issues you have up with them.

#13876

Billie from Ockham wrote:Man-in-tree update: the spectator who brought his pet goat was asked to leave the area.

I'd bring my pet leopard.

#13877

some guy wrote:Anyone with good malware protection willing to try downloading a copy of Hiena's book?

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/Dat ... #rows:id=1

(its the link on the page that I am linking to that I am afraid to click on, not the link I've provided.)

You mean it's finished??

I can't make out on that mess of a page what would be the download link. What am I even looking at? A spreadsheet?

#13878

This was Liege Airport in in Belgium in 2014 when intersectional feminist anti-Israel protestors splashed fake blood everywhere because Zionism:

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaemb ... iginal.jpg

Six women took part in the protest at 11.30 am on Tuesday. The members were all wearing t-shirts bearing the colors of the Palestinian flag as well as the slogans “Terrorism is real” and “Free Palestine.”

https://www.rt.com/news/183932-protest- ... d-belgium/

I wonder if they'll comment now that an airport has been turned into a real bloodbath by sexy brown folk?

#13879

Oh wait now I see it. That's one of those dozens of scam download sites. There is no book. There is only you, them and your credit card.

#13880

Good news though: Pornhub launch virtual reality site:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ction.html

Now we can shut ourselves away from this world until the rats chew through the cables or the IV drips fall from our arms.

#13881

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:The Silesians were forcibly removed in 1945-46. The Palestinians were forcibly removed in 1948. Do the grandchildren & great-grandchildren of those Silesian refugees have a Right of Return back into Silesia, and when they arrive, will they get to set up their own government?
If that was both aimed at me and not rhetorical, my response is that I have no fucking idea. I didn't look into what rights a second-, third-, or fourth-generation refugee might have because that wasn't the question. The question ... as I saw it ... was whether a person born outside of country X could be considered a refugee from country X. You said that they can't. The UN disagrees. Take any further issues you have up with them.

I'm not arguing directly with you, just musing on what you linked.

In its first paragraph, the UN says a refugee is someone who's been forced to flee their home country. In its second paragraph, the UN says it aids Palestinian refugees inside Palestine. It also aids Palestinian refugees in Jordan, etc., most of whom had to have been born in Jordan -- ergo, never fled from anywhere.

I used the Silesians as an example, as they were forcibly removed from their homeland around the same time as the Palestinians. Yet no one is talking about a Silesian Authority within Poland, or a Polish-German two-state roadmap, or resettling third generation Silesians who were born within the present borders of Germany, or expelling Poles whose families have lived in Silesia since 1945.

Whether its 4, 5, or 6 million, the external ethnic Palestinians can only be accommodated inside Israel/Palestine by expelling the 6 million jews already there. And that's a non-starter.

#13882

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't remember if I've promoted my friends from Myrath's latest video.

Super ubber cool Tunisian metal:

[youtube]z2lztdrfrcw[/youtube]

Good stuff. :clap: :dance:

#13883

Billie from Ockham wrote:
feathers wrote:That's why I don't take those calls anymore. Hidden number? ==> bye.
You are depriving yourself of potential entertainment, in that case.

[youtube]4b11eHkIijg[/youtube]

:o :o :o
:lol: :lol: :lol:

#13884

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't remember if I've promoted my friends from Myrath's latest video.

Super ubber cool Tunisian metal:

[youtube]z2lztdrfrcw[/youtube]

Do thet piss on the Quran in the video? If not I'm not watching. :geek:

#13885

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't remember if I've promoted my friends from Myrath's latest video.

Super ubber cool Tunisian metal:

[youtube]z2lztdrfrcw[/youtube]

I can't watch it.

#13886

Shatterface wrote:Doesn't surprise me feminists and transgender wotsitz are turning on gay men. The demands gay men have made have been entirely reasonable - gay marriage, joining the military, etc. - and mostly met, they're pretty in-PC as a group, and they're not going to be anyone's bitches.

Gays don't need women and so can see them without rose coloured glasses -so no white knights - no male tears.

#13887

Michael J wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Doesn't surprise me feminists and transgender wotsitz are turning on gay men. The demands gay men have made have been entirely reasonable - gay marriage, joining the military, etc. - and mostly met, they're pretty in-PC as a group, and they're not going to be anyone's bitches.
Gays don't need women and so can see them without rose coloured glasses -so no white knights - no male tears.

There are a few. Josh the eternal Spokesgay. Gone but not forgotten. But mostly that's true. I really think that some of the third-wave feminists go absolutely batshit if they don't have power and control.

#13888

Long time baboon and one time hired killer (he was in the US military) shares his thought on the Brussels attacks:

What happened in Brussels is horrible and criminal. Meanwhile the US bombs cities and hospitals and fires hellfire missiles into groups of civilians all the time. As if it’s somehow OK if the high explosive is delivered using high-tech weaponry instead of carried to the scene of the crime and detonated by the crime’s first victim. One thing I have to say for suicide bombers is that at least they’re pretty committed to what they’re doing. (And don’t for a second think that a suicide bomber is any less brainwashed and hate-filled than a CIA drone pilot or military thug who has been indoctrinated in the bloody baptism font of state supremacy)

Read more: http://freethoughtblogs.com/inspection/ ... z43lFiaOGW

#13889

That was a quote from Marcus Ranum :doh:

#13890

Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.

Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)

#13891

feathers wrote:Oh wait now I see it. That's one of those dozens of scam download sites. There is no book. There is only you, them and your credit card.

The link on the right leads to this notice:

The Google Account of a site owner has been disabled because of a perceived violation of the Terms of Service. The site owner needs to restore their Google Account before this site can be viewed. Learn more

#13892

blitzem wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't remember if I've promoted my friends from Myrath's latest video.

Super ubber cool Tunisian metal:

[youtube]z2lztdrfrcw[/youtube]
Good stuff. :clap: :dance:

Despite not being a fan of the genre I though it was pretty good, not to mention great production & presentation.

#13893

It's worth pointing out that Palestinian "refugee" status is the *only" such "refugee status" on the entire planet that is considered hereditary. Not only that but the UN also maintains only 2 refugee agencies. One is the UNHCR and the other is UNWRA.

One of these covers refuges for entire planet except for a single grouping. The other covers a certain grouping mentioned above exclusively.

It's also worth pointing out that 95-odd percent of so-called Palestinian Refugees are in fact, or should be, Lebanese, Jordanian, Syrian, etc. As pointed out above, we're Israel not involved, *anywhere* else on the planet, they would be (Lebanese, Jordanian etc)

But Jews ofc...

#13894

It's also worth pointing out that of all the countries on the planet, if the one you single out to lack "legitimacy " and claim shouldn't exisr is the single Jewish-majority country then, yes, you are an anti-Semitic piece of shit.

And let's be clear here - Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people, like every other people on the planet, deserve their own country in what is their ancestral homeland.

That's it.

#13895

d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.
Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)

I'm not sure where we are going to settle those 250,000,000 or so Europeans occupying the USA, let alone European Canadians, South Americans, Australians, etc.

#13896

And finally, what part of "never again" do fuckwits not understand. Jews are no longer going to be the whipping goats to be slaughtered and defamed on the whims of the likes of ZZ and VC. It's never going to happen. And the sooner people get used to that, the better.

#13897

Goddammit. Now I do hate Jim, making me accidentally post outside the undead thread. Anyway...

Interesting bit of history from Jim's first attempt to bore everyone to death at the pit.

Skep tickle wrote:Jim, if you do post in the main thread here (the Periodic Table of Swearing, current thread is "Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It", all just labels), be aware that you are very likely to be greeted by some people saying "Fuck off!"

However, unlike at Freethought blogs, that's actually a traditional welcome in the Slyme pit. I *think* it arose as a means of weeding out people who couldn't take the sometimes rough & tumble of the Pit, but seems lately to be offered in a fairly friendly manner by most who utter it to newcomers.

I'd thought the greeting was mockery of the A+ and Pharyngula crowds that claimed to be welcoming, but would non ironically tell you to fuck off if even a single post was made questioning their dogma.

#13898

Shatterface wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.
Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)
I'm not sure where we are going to settle those 250,000,000 or so Europeans occupying the USA, let alone European Canadians, South Americans, Australians, etc.

According to Steersman, these kind of population transfers are a piece of cake, a non-issue.

#13899

jet_lagg wrote:Goddammit. Now I do hate Jim, making me accidentally post outside the undead thread. Anyway...

Interesting bit of history from Jim's first attempt to bore everyone to death at the pit.

Skep tickle wrote:Jim, if you do post in the main thread here (the Periodic Table of Swearing, current thread is "Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It", all just labels), be aware that you are very likely to be greeted by some people saying "Fuck off!"

However, unlike at Freethought blogs, that's actually a traditional welcome in the Slyme pit. I *think* it arose as a means of weeding out people who couldn't take the sometimes rough & tumble of the Pit, but seems lately to be offered in a fairly friendly manner by most who utter it to newcomers.
I'd thought the greeting was mockery of the A+ and Pharyngula crowds that claimed to be welcoming, but would non ironically tell you to fuck off if even a single post was made questioning their dogma.

It was.

And the Lynx came from the "Basket of Links" (aka propaganda) you were required to read before posting to the likes of A+

#13900

While I am fairly convinced all sides have some bloody hands in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, I have to wonder why it keeps going. At what point do you simply say, "hey, we lost, let's get over it." Of course, bastard that I am, I also think that Native Americans should finally accept that simple truth as well. You lost, stop whinging and get on with your life.

#13901

Referring to Palestinians in earlier post.

#13902

d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.
Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)

I am 1/900th Creek so I am not going anywhere. Also I am totally a chic. Gimme me all the cookies.

http://i.imgur.com/O7Dzxgy.jpg

#13903

The State of Palestine is not recognized by my country, hence they don't exist.

End of story AFAIC.

International Recognition of the State of Palestine:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ly.svg.png

Do you people really want to side with the Vatican?

#13904

Michael J wrote:Gays don't need women and so can see them without rose coloured glasses -so no white knights - no male tears.

A gay man needs a woman like a fish needs a bicycle?

#13905

d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.
Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)

Not fair, you're using one of my previous arguments against me. I wave my oppression card at you, that's one strike, another and you'll have to leave the forum.

The notion that a group of people have more rights over a certain piece of rock than another group due to what effectively amounts to squaters rights, is an absurdity. But it is intertwinned with the absurdity of property, and I DON'T SEE THE NOTION OF OWNERSHIP VANISHING FROM THE HUMAN PSYCHE ANYTIME SOON.

I have a dream, little red boys and little caramel girls run hand in hand in a world where borders don't exist. It just ain't happening in the next couple of thousand years.

#13906

Za-zen wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.
Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)
Not fair, you're using one of my previous arguments against me. I wave my oppression card at you, that's one strike, another and you'll have to leave the forum.

The notion that a group of people have more rights over a certain piece of rock than another group due to what effectively amounts to squaters rights, is an absurdity. But it is intertwinned with the absurdity of property, and I DON'T SEE THE NOTION OF OWNERSHIP VANISHING FROM THE HUMAN PSYCHE ANYTIME SOON.

I have a dream, little red boys and little caramel girls run hand in hand in a world where borders don't exist. It just ain't happening in the next couple of thousand years.

Once you start doing things to said land (build roads, hospitals, schools, aqueducts, amphitheaters...) with the tax money people occupying the land pay, I'm pretty sure you can have a solid claim of ownership.

#13907

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:While I am fairly convinced all sides have some bloody hands in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, I have to wonder why it keeps going. At what point do you simply say, "hey, we lost, let's get over it." Of course, bastard that I am, I also think that Native Americans should finally accept that simple truth as well. You lost, stop whinging and get on with your life.

The problem with this, is that the oppression of the palestinian people is ongoing, it's not something that is in the past, it is now, and the fascism that is zionism is actively cleansing them from the land. Well you say, there are horrific things happening all over the world. yes that's true, but the west is directly responsible for this clusterfuck. Not surprising considering the west is pretty good at going in and fucking things up for people trying to live their lives and raise their kids. Then whinges when they get a bloody nose for it.

#13908

Za-zen wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:While I am fairly convinced all sides have some bloody hands in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, I have to wonder why it keeps going. At what point do you simply say, "hey, we lost, let's get over it." Of course, bastard that I am, I also think that Native Americans should finally accept that simple truth as well. You lost, stop whinging and get on with your life.
The problem with this, is that the oppression of the palestinian people is ongoing, it's not something that is in the past, it is now, and the fascism that is zionism is actively cleansing them from the land. Well you say, there are horrific things happening all over the world. yes that's true, but the west is directly responsible for this clusterfuck. Not surprising considering the west is pretty good at going in and fucking things up for people trying to live their lives and raise their kids. Then whinges when they get a bloody nose for it.

If I were a Palestinian, I'd clear outta Dodge. Many seem determined to stay because their ancestors lived there, despite the fact that it is the middle east. The middle east is hot, sandy and smells like goat. There are zero trout streams. Sometimes I think it's just the sun baking everybody's brain that causes the conflicts and religion.

#13909

Ahermit is too dumb for words.

It's totally a "bullshit" narrative that the left has no policy solutions for Islamic extremism and that their first response is always to trot out the apologetics.

To disprove this he links to some apologetics all about reminding people that the number one victim of radical Islam is Muslims.

#13910

Za-zen wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:While I am fairly convinced all sides have some bloody hands in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, I have to wonder why it keeps going. At what point do you simply say, "hey, we lost, let's get over it." Of course, bastard that I am, I also think that Native Americans should finally accept that simple truth as well. You lost, stop whinging and get on with your life.
The problem with this, is that the oppression of the palestinian people is ongoing, it's not something that is in the past, it is now, and the fascism that is zionism is actively cleansing them from the land. Well you say, there are horrific things happening all over the world. yes that's true, but the west is directly responsible for this clusterfuck. Not surprising considering the west is pretty good at going in and fucking things up for people trying to live their lives and raise their kids. Then whinges when they get a bloody nose for it.

Maybe you should tell the native Americans and the Aborigines they aren't oppressed.

And every time you use the word 'cleansed' in this context you make yourself look like an utter cunt.

#13911

Jian Ghomeshi verdict expected soon.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35883905

:popcorn:

#13912

Lsuoma wrote:Jian Ghomeshi verdict expected soon.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35883905

:popcorn:

The verdict is expected tomorrow morning.

A group has scheduled a #WeBelieveVictims rally to coincide with the verdict.
Canada's resident thorn in the ass of feminism, Gregory Allan Eliot has a nice parody of t

#13913

Myers has cleaned up his blog roll.

Kind of.

Butterflies has finally been broken on the wheel.

Alex looks like the only old guard left. Wtf?

Is this Myers being a cunt to the homeless again?

#13914

Btw the content looks like it is still there. Unlike when Ed dynamited his way out of the silo.

#13915

d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.
Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)

I'm all for Neanderthal land rights in Europe.

#13916

Ave Jamila, finally off the blog roll. We barely knew you.

#13917

Michael J wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Israel is a modern creation given to a religious group, by the west on land stolen from Palestinians. it has no legitimacy, never can have, and needs to disappear.
Who isn't living on stolen land, though?

(Perhaps just a few aboriginal people.)
I'm all for Neanderthal land rights in Europe.

European vacation home, here I come!

#13918

feathers wrote:
some guy wrote:Anyone with good malware protection willing to try downloading a copy of Hiena's book?

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/Dat ... #rows:id=1

(its the link on the page that I am linking to that I am afraid to click on, not the link I've provided.)
You mean it's finished??

I can't make out on that mess of a page what would be the download link. What am I even looking at? A spreadsheet?

It's a scam page for playster shite, it scraps Amazon pages for books and creates pages like that to drag people in. Appropriate perhaps, for a fake-webpage-creating bot to use Heina's Amazon fake book page. Her book has been available for 'pre-order' for nearly a year, with 4 release dates. :liar:

#13919

Za-zen writes:

Not surprising considering the west is pretty good at going in and fucking things up for people trying to live their lives and raise their kids. Then whinges when they get a bloody nose for it.

I don't buy that. Western powers have done some wrong, but have also done good. In most cases it is totally bullshit.
The Ottomans and Turks ruled Syria for a thousand years and set up a fractured tribal system that was set up to fail. Western powers ruled the area for less than a century and more than 60 years ago left them to self rule and stopped interfering. They didn't install Assad and the Baathists, that was a homegrown movement.
Yet, you frequently hear from Chomsky/Marxist types that it is all the west's fault and of course the pro islamist types drink that right up.
Of course I might think that because I'm a running dog lackey of the capitalist- imperialist kyriarchy that was abused by my parents and therefore unable form correct opinions. :ugeek:

#13920

jimhabegger wrote:One reason people might feel insulted by my posts is from thinking that I disapprove of what I see people doing here, and that I feel superior about it, and they're right. I do disapprove of most of what I see people doing here, and I have been feeling superior about it.

It might also feel insulting, and/or look hypocritical, if I'm feeling that way, for my posts to be all smiles and hugs.

I don't see clearly yet what to do about all that, but I'll be working on it.

Most of us don't care how you define your relationship with the Universe. Seems a bit weird to me, but if it makes you happy, gets you through the day, and ain't hurtin' no one around you, whatever man. You do you, and have some fun along the way.