The Refuge of the Toads

[Old_ones]

Electric campgrounds, who'd of thought! The last time I went camping was in 88 at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. Total disillusionment. It was just dawning on me how fucked up the whole lesbian/feminist/separatist ideology was. My friend that drove there with me hated it even more than me, and we left early. Shook the nasty festival off of us by going on a spontaneous 1 week drive around the Blue Ridge mountains and nearby areas. That year, most women at the festival caught shigella. We lucked out by leaving early and also eating more at this little junk food store there than at the main food tent.

I know I'm an asshole, but I find that kind of funny. Isn't the slogan for that festival something like "This is what the world would look like if women were in charge"? I guess lesbian separatists might not be the best people to demonstrate the coming feminist utopia.

I've been to electric campgrounds before and didn't enjoy the experience a lot. The sites were close together, and having outlets around greatly increases the chances of having someone ruining the atmosphere with Toby Keith or Rush Limbaugh.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

http://i.imgur.com/O3RQyr4.jpg

That's my little filly!

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[Billie from Ockham]

The real stumbling block in my program was passing your oral qualifying exam.

That's the way that it's supposed to me, IMO. Weed out those who won't make it at comps/quals (i.e., at the end of two years). Don't keep them around for another two or three and then toss them out. It's a waste of time and money for the school (esp. the advisor) and seriously uncool to the student.

I've never been at a school that "grades" dissertations; it's always been pass/fail. The closest I've seen is awards for best dissertation.

What gets you interviews for actual jobs is a combination of where you got your PhD, your vita (i.e., pubs and honors), and (maybe most of all) your letters of rec. What gets you an offer is mostly your job-talk (because that's all that the people who aren't on the search committee will probably know about you and the other candidates).

[Billie from Ockham]

I recall one professor who told me about all the homosexual themes in Shakespeare. I thought he was a bit of a tit, but an easy A. Then of course there was the one who got into a fight with a chair.

You took a class from Clint Eastwood?

[Sulman]

I've always had a bit of respect for Julie Birchill. She was the only reason I would buy the Saturday Guardian paper. Well that and it weighed a ton, hence made a halndy doorstop.

I hope you read it all, or I'll have to send someone round.

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[d4m10n]

All this talk about polyamorous pansexual teenagers makes me feel lucky to be raising a family in the Bible Belt, where the dominant moral framework comes embedded in a mythology which is vastly less complicated and somewhat easier to see through.

[Dave]

I recall one professor who told me about all the homosexual themes in Shakespeare. I thought he was a bit of a tit, but an easy A. Then of course there was the one who got into a fight with a chair.

You took a class from Clint Eastwood?

Not a mere argument, actual physical altercation.

Had it been Clint Eastwood, I expect he would have won it, as opposed to this professor.

[John D]

Electric campgrounds, who'd of thought! The last time I went camping was in 88 at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. Total disillusionment. It was just dawning on me how fucked up the whole lesbian/feminist/separatist ideology was. My friend that drove there with me hated it even more than me, and we left early. Shook the nasty festival off of us by going on a spontaneous 1 week drive around the Blue Ridge mountains and nearby areas. That year, most women at the festival caught shigella. We lucked out by leaving early and also eating more at this little junk food store there than at the main food tent.

I know I'm an asshole, but I find that kind of funny. Isn't the slogan for that festival something like "This is what the world would look like if women were in charge"? I guess lesbian separatists might not be the best people to demonstrate the coming feminist utopia.

I've been to electric campgrounds before and didn't enjoy the experience a lot. The sites were close together, and having outlets around greatly increases the chances of having someone ruining the atmosphere with Toby Keith or Rush Limbaugh.

yeah... campgrounds with electric hookups are definitely not a "wilderness" experience. It is more of an "outdoor community". Most people, even the ones that look like Rush Limbaugh, are pretty cool and laid back. At least in Michigan it is easy to camp between a right-wing dood with flags all over his rig and a couple of lesbian cops with their adopted kid (true story). Almost everyone gets along... but it is pretty noisy. Lots of kids and dogs and fishermen waking up at 4 in the morning. You do need to be quite by 11:00 so we get done with the music before 11:00 and then play games and drink. Our camping "hootenanny" is held at one of the less popular parks that has really big sites (by state park standards). We get a bunch of sites next to each other so we have a section of the park to ourselves.

For a proper wilderness experience I usually backpack which is way different than car camping.

[H. Korban]

I was thinking of going Evangelical, I'd rather they stop believing in evolution as opposed to thinking they're pieces of shit.

I went to 12 years of Christian schools. First, an Anglican and then a Jesuit school. Every single day I recited the Lord's Prayer, listened to Bible verses, sermons from the principal, and then finished with hymns. On top of that, I went to madrassa (Islamic religious school) on Saturday and Sunday. All this had very little impact on me. I rarely every thought of the meaning of any of the prayers, hymns or sermons. Our school Fathers were actually very liberal (coming from a German Jesuit background), and to their credit, the education was exceptional. My school alumni are some of the top achievers from India, and the school has had a huge influence on us. At the end, I think religious schools, specially run by liberal Christian denominations, may actually be a good choice for some people.

Incidentally, my daughter is in kindergarten in a Seattle public school. Despite all the liberals here (perhaps because of it) public education in Seattle Public schools sucks. On the East Side (across Lake Washington) the situation is different, mainly due to the extensive presence of Asians and Indians, who are very focused on education. Recently I attended a "Choice School" fair in Seattle. I came back depressed. Not one school excited or impressed me. All I heard was how they try to be "inclusive" and "teach life skills" and "care for the environment" and all the usual liberal nonsense. Almost invariably I would ask the teachers and principals if they had a rigorous curriculum. They would look at me as if I was from Mars.

I have a 16 year old niece, who is very close to me, and who I have helped raise. She is the opposite of an SJW, probably an anti-SJW if there was one. She reads many of the SJW boards and tumblr blogs and then regales me with the funny crap which people say on them. I am not sure why she is the way she is. (Perhaps its my highly cynical nature which has corrupted her). She tells me most of the other girls in her school are hard-core SJWs, and often she has to keep quiet so as not to "out" herself. I don't think she will come out as a genderfluid, pansexual, pudding kin anytime soon, or ever. Or I hope not.

[Sunder]

I recall one professor who told me about all the homosexual themes in Shakespeare. I thought he was a bit of a tit, but an easy A.

Identitarians and dudebros are rather similar when it comes to interpreting any act of brotherly affection as "totes gay."

[Billie from Ockham]

Not a mere argument, actual physical altercation.

And I assume that this isn't just a case of forgetting to capitalize proper nouns, yes? Because I almost got in a fight with my Chair, but never with a chair.

[Service Dog]

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She only calls herself a 'boy', not a 'man'. I concur.

[Sunder]

All this had very little impact on me. I rarely every thought of the meaning of any of the prayers, hymns or sermons.

I recall going to multiple amateur sporting events and hearing the American national anthem sung, and apart from literally every person being a complete diva when asked to sing it, something in their odd inflections and stresses made me realize at some point that they and likely most of the crowd have never sat down and read or thought about the actual poem and what it's describing. Same thing with the pledge of allegiance. When something is ritualized it becomes a series of sounds divorced from actual meaning. In a way this is probably counter to the goals of the people ritualizing the thing, an in-built flaw in indoctrination.

[Ericb]

Looking over these posts, it does make me wonder if a fair proportion of outspoken SJWism is just teenage faddism - that essentially, 'cis' is the new 'square'. If that's the case, chances are that the concerned parents here might only be dealing with something their kids will eventually grow out of. Blimming well hope so anyway, cos I don't want to grow old in such an aggressively simpering, vapidly moralistic, spaz-arse world. The only saving grace would be alzheimer's.

20 to 30 years ago alienated teens like this would most likely have latched onto some musical subculture to "express" themselves. They'd become goths or punks or something. Back then music scenes could still imagine themselves as some kind of counter culture. Nowadays they are just one subculture among hundreds of others so teens have to find other options to "shock" the "establishment."

[CommanderTuvok]

The Commander was under the illusion McWrong's college work was on equine science?

[CommanderTuvok]

Anyway, the last few days have been good. We are seeing the old far "we can't be racist" left types gets called out for their racism. They thought they were immune, just like SJWs and Baboons, but they are now shocked and panicked as we go after them.

[MarcusAu]

I mean don't get me wrong being a teen in the nineties we did sexual and identity experimentation but it was like, less of a big deal than the music you was into.

Really we should be blaming MtV

MtV does music?!?!?!

Who knew!

MtV = Mouth to Vagina

Played like a mouth organ - it sounds rather like a kazoo

[MarcusAu]

Whaaaaat??? Noooooooo... Atlanta's too far. You should all come to Toronto in friendly Canada. Even Com. We have the CN Tower and the world's best pot. Don't pay any heed to the problem glasses all around. Come here anyways. I don't like to travel. :(

You have the CNT ? I had heard that he was recently elected PM.

[Billie from Ockham]

MtV = Mouth to Vagina

Played like a mouth organ - it sounds rather like a kazoo

Actually, you play it like one of these:
http://www.candysite.info/wp-content/up ... 20x377.jpg

Hence, the label "pan-sexual."

[Service Dog]

New lawsuit by the student she falsely-accused-- says Emma "Fuck Me In TheButt" Sulkowicz's Mattress Girl antics were a campaign of Intimate Partner Violence against-him, aided by Columbia University, which also included her Revenge Porn drawings of them having sex, which she displayed in campus art gallery.

Suit says Columbia failed to recognize her harassment as IPV, due to blindness to abuse against men.

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/accused- ... -columbia/

[comhcinc]

Mykeru has pulled all his videos due to sustained copyright attacks and has had to deny he on the verge of topping himself.

Stollznow's book got a PZ boost.

Carrier is still on his weird road trip to a new home.

Becky's car got totalled by boyfriend and now the other driver has a lawyer

Com wants a Slymecon in Atlanta.

PZ went to God Ain't Dead 2 and couldn't convince anyone to come with him other than his wife.

Ummmmmmm .......

Whaaaaat??? Noooooooo... Atlanta's too far. You should all come to Toronto in friendly Canada. Even Com. We have the CN Tower and the world's best pot. Don't pay any heed to the problem glasses all around. Come here anyways. I don't like to travel. :(

I'm a felon and thus not allowed in Canada.

[MarcusAu]

I'm a felon and thus not allowed in Canada.

I guess if will have to be help in Australia then.

[comhcinc]

I'm a felon and thus not allowed in Canada.

I guess if will have to be help in Australia then.

I can't afford drop bear insurance.

[free thoughtpolice]

Summarizes what we have been talking about recently here, mercifully excluding the trans toilet stuff:
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[Sunder]

New lawsuit by the student she falsely-accused-- says Emma "Fuck Me In TheButt" Sulkowicz's Mattress Girl antics were a campaign of Intimate Partner Violence against-him, aided by Columbia University, which also included her Revenge Porn drawings of them having sex, which she displayed in campus art gallery.

Suit says Columbia failed to recognize her harassment as IPV, due to blindness to abuse against men.

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/accused- ... -columbia/

Part of me has a bit of sympathy for the colleges in that they're being fucked over by the Dept. of Education and are fucking over students in turn, but that only goes so far. I'm glad to see the real judicial system has tended to side with the students and their due process rights, and the schools absolutely deserve to be bled dry for their part in attempting to ruin the lives of innocent young men.

Taken with the goings-on at Mizzou over closing dorms due to low enrollment, I think the real end of SJW-ism in academia will be financial. Shitty propaganda classes are worse than worthless. They're starting to cost.

[Service Dog]

New lawsuit by the student she falsely-accused-- says Emma "Fuck Me In TheButt" Sulkowicz's Mattress Girl antics were a campaign of Intimate Partner Violence against-him, aided by Columbia University, which also included her Revenge Porn drawings of them having sex, which she displayed in campus art gallery.

Suit says Columbia failed to recognize her harassment as IPV, due to blindness to abuse against men.

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/accused- ... -columbia/

Part of me has a bit of sympathy for the colleges in that they're being fucked over by the Dept. of Education and are fucking over students in turn, but that only goes so far. I'm glad to see the real judicial system has tended to side with the students and their due process rights, and the schools absolutely deserve to be bled dry for their part in attempting to ruin the lives of innocent young men.

Taken with the goings-on at Mizzou over closing dorms due to low enrollment, I think the real end of SJW-ism in academia will be financial. Shitty propaganda classes are worse than worthless. They're starting to cost.

I have considered contacting Nungesser's attorneys, to let them know that part of the campus feminists' campaign against-him (an organized effort to post accusations in campus women's bathrooms-- claiming he was a 'rapist') occurred in a similar Kampus Kangaroo Kourt case at Columbia, over 20 years ago. So Columbia has long been aware of the problem, knew it was a pattern-- not isolated incident, and failed to act over a long period of time.

[Billie from Ockham]

Part of me has a bit of sympathy for the colleges in that they're being fucked over by the Dept. of Education and are fucking over students in turn, but that only goes so far. I'm glad to see the real judicial system has tended to side with the students and their due process rights, and the schools absolutely deserve to be bled dry for their part in attempting to ruin the lives of innocent young men.

Taken with the goings-on at Mizzou over closing dorms due to low enrollment, I think the real end of SJW-ism in academia will be financial. Shitty propaganda classes are worse than worthless. They're starting to cost.

The situation is not entirely Obama's Dept of Ed's fault, but they played a huge role. It was not just the Dear Colleague letter of April 4, 2011 ... the follow-up letters when schools asked for clarification or tried to comply in a rational manner put us where we are now.

[Billie from Ockham]

I have considered contacting Nungesser's attorneys, to let them know that part of the campus feminists' campaign against-him (an organized effort to post accusations in campus women's bathrooms-- claiming he was a 'rapist') occurred in a similar Kampus Kangaroo Kourt case at Columbia, over 20 years ago. So Columbia has long been aware of the problem, knew it was a pattern-- not isolated incident, and failed to act over a long period of time.

I doubt that any of us have anything useful that Miltenberg doesn't already know.

[Sunder]

part of the campus feminists' campaign against-him (an organized effort to post accusations in campus women's bathrooms-- claiming he was a 'rapist')

Those transphobic bints probably think there's no way a penis-haver could get into their safe space to remove such literature.

[Scented Nectar]

Electric campgrounds, who'd of thought! The last time I went camping was in 88 at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. Total disillusionment. It was just dawning on me how fucked up the whole lesbian/feminist/separatist ideology was. My friend that drove there with me hated it even more than me, and we left early. Shook the nasty festival off of us by going on a spontaneous 1 week drive around the Blue Ridge mountains and nearby areas. That year, most women at the festival caught shigella. We lucked out by leaving early and also eating more at this little junk food store there than at the main food tent.

I know I'm an asshole, but I find that kind of funny. Isn't the slogan for that festival something like "This is what the world would look like if women were in charge"? I guess lesbian separatists might not be the best people to demonstrate the coming feminist utopia.

I've been to electric campgrounds before and didn't enjoy the experience a lot. The sites were close together, and having outlets around greatly increases the chances of having someone ruining the atmosphere with Toby Keith or Rush Limbaugh.

It was pretty disgusting dirt and hygiene-wise. Plus the toilets stunk and were filthy because they were "porta-Janes" and not flushable. Note the name change there from porta-John to porta-Jane, which is of course because men and anything that's a reminder of them and their evil ways are bad and must be obliterated. The showers were cold, open waterpipes over bare ground. My feet would be immediately dirty before being able to even get to my shoes. I brought a portable solar shower a few times so I wouldn't freeze my ass off under the water, but not after the incident where I hung it up in a tree over a hornet's nest. Even at that congregation of weirdos, I must have looked pretty strange running and freaking out along the busy pathway, swatting at myself and trying to outrun the hornets. Good times.

[Scented Nectar]

Electric campgrounds, who'd of thought! The last time I went camping was in 88 at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. Total disillusionment. It was just dawning on me how fucked up the whole lesbian/feminist/separatist ideology was. My friend that drove there with me hated it even more than me, and we left early. Shook the nasty festival off of us by going on a spontaneous 1 week drive around the Blue Ridge mountains and nearby areas. That year, most women at the festival caught shigella. We lucked out by leaving early and also eating more at this little junk food store there than at the main food tent.

I know I'm an asshole, but I find that kind of funny. Isn't the slogan for that festival something like "This is what the world would look like if women were in charge"? I guess lesbian separatists might not be the best people to demonstrate the coming feminist utopia.

I've been to electric campgrounds before and didn't enjoy the experience a lot. The sites were close together, and having outlets around greatly increases the chances of having someone ruining the atmosphere with Toby Keith or Rush Limbaugh.

One good thing about that festival, was that if you wanted, you could camp in areas that were extra quiet or extra loud and rowdy. That was a good idea. There's always someone who wants to play something loud and annoying.

[Scented Nectar]

Whaaaaat??? Noooooooo... Atlanta's too far. You should all come to Toronto in friendly Canada. Even Com. We have the CN Tower and the world's best pot. Don't pay any heed to the problem glasses all around. Come here anyways. I don't like to travel. :(

You have the CNT ? I had heard that he was recently elected PM.

We have more than one cunt. You wouldn't believe how many cunts live here. :lol:

[Billie from Ockham]

Maybe compromise. Someplace between Atlanta, Toronto, and Portland. That would be ... um ... let me check a map ... Morris, Minn.

[Scented Nectar]

Mykeru has pulled all his videos due to sustained copyright attacks and has had to deny he on the verge of topping himself.

Stollznow's book got a PZ boost.

Carrier is still on his weird road trip to a new home.

Becky's car got totalled by boyfriend and now the other driver has a lawyer

Com wants a Slymecon in Atlanta.

PZ went to God Ain't Dead 2 and couldn't convince anyone to come with him other than his wife.

Ummmmmmm .......

Whaaaaat??? Noooooooo... Atlanta's too far. You should all come to Toronto in friendly Canada. Even Com. We have the CN Tower and the world's best pot. Don't pay any heed to the problem glasses all around. Come here anyways. I don't like to travel. :(

I'm a felon and thus not allowed in Canada.

Grow a beard, and learn to say "hello" in Arabic. Then call me when you're in the settlement hotels. And bring your kids. We have free health care, and all new immigrants are forced to take benefits for a year or so, nice liveable ones - not the shitty welfare that mere citizens get. They're not even allowed to work for their first year. Lots of time to line up a decent job. That'll get you to the Toronto meet-up, and fix your current job need. You're welcome. :D

[Shatterface]

It was pretty disgusting dirt and hygiene-wise. Plus the toilets stunk and were filthy because they were "porta-Janes" and not flushable. Note the name change there from porta-John to porta-Jane.

Makes perfect sense if you think of women as a toilet.

[Scented Nectar]

Maybe compromise. Someplace between Atlanta, Toronto, and Portland. That would be ... um ... let me check a map ... Morris, Minn.

Perfect! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Scented Nectar]

It was pretty disgusting dirt and hygiene-wise. Plus the toilets stunk and were filthy because they were "porta-Janes" and not flushable. Note the name change there from porta-John to porta-Jane.

Makes perfect sense if you think of women as a toilet.

More like if you think of men as toilets. The only men allowed on the land, were the ones who came in on the porta cleaning trucks. It was at around 2am so that the evil men wouldn't see us naked and semi-naked women (gotta say, the walking around naked part was fun), or scare us by letting us see them in the daylight. They were accompanied by volunteer dykes to guard them while they lowered the truck's vacuum hose into each toilet, emptying them. So, the matriarchy still needs men to do the shit work.

[feathers]

I'm a felon and thus not allowed in Canada.

Grow a beard, and learn to say "hello" in Arabic. Then call me when you're in the settlement hotels. And bring your kids. We have free health care, and all new immigrants are forced to take benefits for a year or so, nice liveable ones - not the shitty welfare that mere citizens get. They're not even allowed to work for their first year. Lots of time to line up a decent job. That'll get you to the Toronto meet-up, and fix your current job need. You're welcome. :D

However, no pig meat or beer for a year or the game's over. Also, cover up the girl(s) already and don't let them talk to the boys, making the little buggers horny at the slightest whisper.

[Spike13]

Maybe compromise. Someplace between Atlanta, Toronto, and Portland. That would be ... um ... let me check a map ... Morris, Minn.

That would be hilarious!

Song parodys around the campfire.

[Scented Nectar]

I'm a felon and thus not allowed in Canada.

Grow a beard, and learn to say "hello" in Arabic. Then call me when you're in the settlement hotels. And bring your kids. We have free health care, and all new immigrants are forced to take benefits for a year or so, nice liveable ones - not the shitty welfare that mere citizens get. They're not even allowed to work for their first year. Lots of time to line up a decent job. That'll get you to the Toronto meet-up, and fix your current job need. You're welcome. :D

However, no pig meat or beer for a year or the game's over. Also, cover up the girl(s) already and don't let them talk to the boys, making the little buggers horny at the slightest whisper.

Never mind. Bad plan. Not so good for the kids after all. I did not think that one through.

[comhcinc]

Make it Atlanta! Make it Atlanta! Make it Atlanta!

[Shatterface]

Third Labour Party councillor suspended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36185694

[Service Dog]

I have considered contacting Nungesser's attorneys, to let them know that part of the campus feminists' campaign against-him (an organized effort to post accusations in campus women's bathrooms-- claiming he was a 'rapist') occurred in a similar Kampus Kangaroo Kourt case at Columbia, over 20 years ago. So Columbia has long been aware of the problem, knew it was a pattern-- not isolated incident, and failed to act over a long period of time.

I doubt that any of us have anything useful that Miltenberg doesn't already know.

The prior incident still gives me jumpy-shivers, all these years later...

http://www.jta.org/1992/12/03/archive/y ... her-father

[SM12]

Maybe compromise. Someplace between Atlanta, Toronto, and Portland. That would be ... um ... let me check a map ... Morris, Minn.

Perfect! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't think so.

Such a racially undiverse town as Morris, Minnesota would lead to all kinds of accusations of not accepting diversity.

Perhaps somewhere rather less culturally monolithic than Morris.... Perhaps Salt Lake City?

[SM12]

Third Labour Party councillor suspended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36185694

First rule of politics. Try not to mention 'Hitler' more than 3 times a day.

[John D]

Let's talk about tanks again. This is the best five and a half minute war film evar!!!!

[youtube]8OHAvMgQHcc[/youtube]

[SM12]

Let's talk about tanks again. This is the best five and a half minute war film evar!!!!

[youtube]8OHAvMgQHcc[/youtube]

Of course! Build the tanks out of Lego! Cheap construction costs, can be put together by 5 year olds..... It all makes sense.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

MtV = Mouth to Vagina

Played like a mouth organ - it sounds rather like a kazoo

Actually, you play it like one of these:
http://www.candysite.info/wp-content/up ... 20x377.jpg

Hence, the label "pan-sexual."

How about the Zionist Oppressor Harp?

[Guest_df4fcc85]

Perhaps somewhere rather less culturally monolithic than Morris.... Perhaps Salt Lake City?

fwiw, according to wiki that's accurate.

Morris
pop 5000 (excluding uni) 10% non-white (also excluding cis white women, who really aren't white now, are they?)

Add the university in (which is 27% poc)
pop 6900, 14% non white

SLC itself has 191,000 and 25% non-white (though that includes 12 % latino and come one, many latino men really are white)
SLC Metro area has 1,153,000 and is 14% poc (again, that excludes cis white women, and includes latino men)

SLC would be the the more racially diverse location by far.

[AndrewV69]

Amazingly (not), none have come out as cis.

Okay, I'm starting to realize how far beyond the times I am. Wow. We never had that to deal with when our kids were growing up. Now I'm wondering what's happening with our grandchildren.

The most difficult part I found was letting my children sort out things for themselves.

I suppose I should expand a bit. What I tried to do was have an Adult to Adult transaction as much as possible (see Transaction Analysis)

In any event I believe I have always had a good idea of what was going on with my children because having grown up with the "children should be seen but not heard" model, I was determined not to repeat that experience with my own.

It was difficult. For example, there was no penalty for them to tell me when they thought I was wrong. I do admit I found that It was annoying when they were right. But, there was no penalty. It seemed to work with other children too. There was one caveat though. You were not allowed to be rude.

[free thoughtpolice]

Brother Nathanael goes full Yemmi- Who'd a thunk unelectable rhymed with homosexual?
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[Cnutella]

Let's talk about tanks again. This is the best five and a half minute war film evar!!!!

[youtube]8OHAvMgQHcc[/youtube]

Of course! Build the tanks out of Lego! Cheap construction costs, can be put together by 5 year olds..... It all makes sense.

O god it's the Sherman all over again..

[Brive1987]

I don't actually dislike Jen as much as the other various SJW types. She let me have my say once in her comment section even though there were hurt feelings and disagreement. And those fights feel so old. I kind of hope she does well for herself. Unless her phd is in something like feminist glaciers. Then, I reserve the right to change my mind!

You give great summary, Brive! Thanks. :D

Ta. I'm a giver not a taker. :)

It doesn't seem that long ago though that she was throwing Krauss (famous skeptic) under the bus in a "look at me, look at me" manner. The way her RL attack crumbled when met by RL pushback says that she can't even blame mad zealous zeal.

But I'll shut up before her dad threatens my ass.

[Shatterface]

Third Labour Party councillor suspended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36185694

First rule of politics. Try not to mention 'Hitler' more than 3 times a day.

Labour may be the first political party to Godwin itself out of existence.

[welch]

Going viral should keep her new career as science dudette afloat, she thinks. Or hopes.

Recently laid off from pesticide manufacturer Amvac Chemical Corp., she had been out of work and almost out of money. Now she was accepting paid speaking engagements and waiting to hear if a television series would be in the offing, too.

latimes. com/local/great-reads/la-me-c1-hip-science-20150416-story.html]I fucking hate the internet.[/url]

It looks like she stepped into a needed role & some others don't like it?

Shes not a skepchick fan -- not after this---
ascienceenthusiast. com/i-fucking-cant-even-i-fucking-love-science/

Qualifications-'
csicop. org/specialarticles/show/feeding_the_mindchallenging_the_mythsscience_babe
&
abc.net. au/7.30/content/2015/s4293887.htm
also

That's about what it is. People can bitch about her lack of Ph.D, but I don't see too many people with Ph.Ds who aren't Neil Tyson or Dawkins willing to go out and communicate science in ways non-scientists will enjoy. And outside of books, Dawkins has never been very good at communicating science. NDT is really good, but his specialty is somewhat narrow.

Scibabe, twee-ness of title aside, has done a really, really great job of taking on Vani Hari et al. Her writing on it, lack of Ph.D and all, did more to counter Hari's popularity and "legitimacy" than any 200 pubmed papers. No, she's not got a doctorate, nor does she publish, but she did actually work in the sciences, and she's quite good at the communication thing.

If more "real" scientists want to have someone who is not her being a big voice in science communication, then I submit more "real" scientists need to actually start communicating science outside of a narrow audience, or shut the fuck up with bitching that Scibabe isn't good enough. She seems to be doing a yeoman's job, and it's a job that no one else wants to do. And unlike Watson et al, she actually, you know, knows stuff.

But just complaining that her image isn't "proper", and she's too cutesy and all the rest, and then suddenly vanishing when its one's turn to take up the slack that will be left if she stops is just stupid. Science needs more communicators, not less. Don't like how Scibabe is doing things? Who the hell is stopping you from doing it "right"?

[Brive1987]

PZ went to God Ain't Dead 2 and couldn't convince anyone to come with him other than his wife.

I doubt that's ever happened, either.

:rimshot: :lol:

[SM12]

Third Labour Party councillor suspended:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36185694

First rule of politics. Try not to mention 'Hitler' more than 3 times a day.

Labour may be the first political party to Godwin itself out of existence.

Love it!

[welch]

But will the earth move?

http://i.imgur.com/O3RQyr4.jpg


I have the strong feeling Jen's use of "Dr" is going to be .......

http://i.imgur.com/l8YjlLc.jpg

Funny how once she stopped living in PZ's world, she was able to remember that she's supposed to be doing science.

You're more optimistic than I am. One, if not two first author publications are a requirement for graduation. She's one month out, and has no publications. Its not a good idea to be writing, revising, and defending your thesis while writing, revising, and doing more experiments for a publication. Considering the productivity of some of her classmates, it looks like they are cutting their losses and getting her out.

You're right. I am more optimistic. Probably than everyone else here. I'm okay with that. If I'm wrong, status quo, nothing changes. if I'm right, things are better, even in a small way than they were. I have zero problem with encouraging, even if it's just words spoke to the sky, someone who seems to be taking even the smallest steps towards pulling her head out of her ass.

[welch]

Going viral should keep her new career as science dudette afloat, she thinks. Or hopes.

Recently laid off from pesticide manufacturer Amvac Chemical Corp., she had been out of work and almost out of money. Now she was accepting paid speaking engagements and waiting to hear if a television series would be in the offing, too.

latimes. com/local/great-reads/la-me-c1-hip-science-20150416-story.html]I fucking hate the internet.[/url]

It looks like she stepped into a needed role & some others don't like it?

Shes not a skepchick fan -- not after this---
ascienceenthusiast. com/i-fucking-cant-even-i-fucking-love-science/

Qualifications-'
csicop. org/specialarticles/show/feeding_the_mindchallenging_the_mythsscience_babe
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abc.net. au/7.30/content/2015/s4293887.htm
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The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. Ain't got no love for diva drop outs demanding titles they didn't earn, and then crying 'sexism!' when they don't get them.

Theres nothing wrong with being SciBabe. But she's not a scientist any more than I am a musician just because I played the cello for 10 years 15 years ago.

Can't have it both ways. Can't bitch that with one or two exceptions, the people taking the time and effort to communicate science to the proles aren't good enough but not have any better options than "I'm sure there's LOTS of people". Well, there may be, but, and here's the important part: They aren't communicating to anyone who isn't also a scientist.

Pubmed may be a great indicator of how good a scientist someone is, but it does exactly fuck-nothing to counter the relentless bullshit that skilled PR flacks like Vani Hari put out. What good is it to bag on Scibabe when your other options, who have "real" degrees and are "real" scientists who are doing a "real" job of communicating various disciplines of science to people and are not NDT are...

I'll wait for the long, long list.

Yes, she calls herself "Scibabe". Big fucking deal. She doesn't have a Ph.D. Big fucking deal. She's doing something that not a lot of people want to do. If so many people are outraged at how she's doing that communication thing, they are welcome to get their asses out there and do it too.

And unless I'm mistaken, she's not claimed to be a research scientist, nor claimed to have doctorate or what have you. She's been pretty straight up about her experience and degrees.

If the worst thing people can come up with is shit like "She wears stupid lab coats" "she's not a "real" scientist" "she's cutesy"...really? Because NDT can't do it all folks. But that seems to be the only people you'll accept. Oh and Bill Nye.

Who, as I recall, has no post-grad degree whatsoever. And isn't *any* form of scientist, but an engineer. Nor do I believe that he has a large amount of proper, peer-reviewd papers.

Yet, I hear no one complaining that a mere engineer, without a real degree calls himself the "Science Guy".

maybe it's the lack of lab coat.

[Oglebart]

There's a been an amazing story this year in our football Premier League, Leicester City, an unfashionable team with a small budget have upset the odds by winning the League title tonight. In these days of truly huge amounts of money involved in the game it was thought impossible for any team outside of the recent elite of Manchester United and City, Chelsea, Arsenal and possibly Liverpool to mount a credible challenge for the title. Now Leicester have refuted that theory and given hope to all other clubs, indeed Spurs will finish second, and the club I support, West Ham United are also having a great season and could finish in fifth place. I had become quite jaded with the game in England in recent years but this season has really been thrilling. The Leicester triumph is truly inspiring I think, and in a media world that is obsessed with blanket coverage of sport and the personalities involved, here is a story worth telling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35988673