The Refuge of the Toads

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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Someone should contact Ashley Miller with allegations against Plait. :lol:

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I'm more put off by the implicit admission that he ate his mother and grandmother.

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Is Gabriel still alone? I thought the winter and/or his mother would have killed the shrimp off by now.

Hey Gabriel - guess what Dawkins won't ever be?

Unloved or Homeless.

If you care about animals so much feed the fucking worms

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Shatterface wrote:Is Gabriel still alone? I thought the winter and/or his mother would have killed the shrimp off by now.

Hey Gabriel - guess what Dawkins won't ever be?

Unloved or Homeless.

If you care about animals so much feed the fucking worms

Well that got dark quick...

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comhcinc wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Is Gabriel still alone? I thought the winter and/or his mother would have killed the shrimp off by now.

Hey Gabriel - guess what Dawkins won't ever be?

Unloved or Homeless.

If you care about animals so much feed the fucking worms

Well that got dark quick...
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Really? wrote:
ERV wrote:So thirsty.
I love how he even did the parentheses around his name like she did. PZ is one of the young people.
The name in parentheses thing is about being Jewish:

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/204311/ ... -the-nazis

Christina Hoff-Sommers and Cathy Young on Twitter:
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PZ and Beccy aren't Jewish, so they must have come out in sympathy or summat.

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[youtube]tuvyWM7842w[/youtube]

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fortune.com/2016/06/03/google-chrome-jews/
Coincidence Detector used multiple brackets [parenthesis] around a user’s name to identify them as Jewish.

An extension for Google’s Chrome browser that let users identify and track suspected Jewish members of the media and entertainment industries has been removed from the Chrome store after the web giant said it breached its rules against promoting hate speech and inciting violence.

The extension, known as Coincidence Detector, identified suspected or confirmed Jews by adding triple parentheses to their names wherever they were referenced online. Its existence was first reported by Mic, a New York-based news site targeted at millennials, in a post on Thursday that described how neo-Nazis and anti-Semites were using it to target Jews for abuse and harassment.
A few days ago, Jewish twitterers started placing parenthesis around their name, and then others did too as a statement of support against anti-semitism and the alt-right, finally social justice "allies" of the Jews (who probably support BDS, etc.) realized they were the original Jews and so Twatson and Lyers reclaimed it from the Jews.

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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Funny the jews I follow haven't done this. I will be sure to go shame them for not virtue signalling enough.

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Guest_df4fcc85 wrote:fortune.com/2016/06/03/google-chrome-jews/
Coincidence Detector used multiple brackets [parenthesis] around a user’s name to identify them as Jewish.

An extension for Google’s Chrome browser that let users identify and track suspected Jewish members of the media and entertainment industries has been removed from the Chrome store after the web giant said it breached its rules against promoting hate speech and inciting violence.

The extension, known as Coincidence Detector, identified suspected or confirmed Jews by adding triple parentheses to their names wherever they were referenced online. Its existence was first reported by Mic, a New York-based news site targeted at millennials, in a post on Thursday that described how neo-Nazis and anti-Semites were using it to target Jews for abuse and harassment.
A few days ago, Jewish twitterers started placing parenthesis around their name, and then others did too as a statement of support against anti-semitism and the alt-right, finally social justice "allies" of the Jews (who probably support BDS, etc.) realized they were the original Jews and so Twatson and Lyers reclaimed it from the Jews.
So PZ and Becky are Palestinian hating islamophobes?

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Back on the issue of Mykeru, it appears that Karen's lawyer has been working weekends and is eager to get out of communications with Mykeru. The billable hours for the scary legal letter have dried up.

http://i.imgur.com/zH1HNs3.png

http://i.imgur.com/aLpZHba.png

http://i.imgur.com/c9eZzoa.png

http://i.imgur.com/iG1XVlC.png

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:
ERV wrote:So thirsty.
That's in response to this Watson tweet:
Two ((parentheses)) are a kosher set of Jewish peyos.

(((PZ))) is wearing three. That means fake dreadlocks in a Rasta hat. :banana-dreads:

Bonita Tindle!

:bjarte:Rebecca Watson :bjarte:

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I am going to guess from this point going forward, nothing happens involving the lawyer. Because for the lawyer to put forth any more correspondence to Mykeru, the Baxters would have to initiate legal proceedings of some sort.

If they representing lawyer has ceased negotiations, does that mean Mykeru can revert back to the original party for discussions?

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"Dear M. Kirtch,
Since you have ceased correspondence with me, I will assume that your billable hours have dried up and that you are no longer representing the Baxters."

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In other news:
Also:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I may change the ((( )) to even things up a little though. Later

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deLurch wrote:Back on the issue of Mykeru, it appears that Karen's lawyer has been working weekends and is eager to get out of communications with Mykeru. The billable hours for the scary legal letter have dried up.

http://i.imgur.com/c9eZzoa.png
She's using techicalities to stall and avoid. Kykeru should just tell her that, as of this time, he is no longer represented by an attorney in this matter. Then she can't pull this BS.

(Pull, its a win win for both of them, as then she gets to bill KS for more hours)

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BTW - Here is the Monster Talk Radio episode with Ronson that touches on the subject of shaming culture someone else referenced above.
http://www.skeptic.com/podcasts/monstertalk/15/04/15/

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some guy wrote:
deLurch wrote:Back on the issue of Mykeru, it appears that Karen's lawyer has been working weekends and is eager to get out of communications with Mykeru. The billable hours for the scary legal letter have dried up.

http://i.imgur.com/c9eZzoa.png
She's using techicalities to stall and avoid. (((Kykeru))) should just tell her that, as of this time, he is no longer represented by an attorney in this matter. Then she can't pull this BS.

(Pull, its a win win for both of them, as then she gets to bill KS for more hours)
FTFY.

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deLurch wrote:BTW - Here is the Monster Talk Radio episode with Ronson that touches on the subject of shaming culture someone else referenced above.
http://www.skeptic.com/podcasts/monstertalk/15/04/15/
Anyone here read Ronson's book on public shaming? If so, recall his interview with Adria Richards - does she or does she come across as an utterly impermeable SJW scientology clear-level cultist? Despite Ronson trying to play fair and garner some sympathy for her by detailing her shitty childhood, even he can't help but get exasperated by her obtuse bugnuttery. In short, Adria was right and the two Dongle dudes were wrong because she's a black woman and they're white males. And that really is about it - and Adria buys into it commpletely.

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Mykeru has been lurking! We miss you! (Most of us, I'm guessing.)
I'm not quite sure what the lawyers letters mean. Can't Mykeru tell her to serve him papers or leave him the fuck alone?

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Really? wrote:Mykeru has been lurking! We miss you! (Most of us, I'm guessing.)
I'm not quite sure what the lawyers letters mean. Can't Mykeru tell her to serve him papers or leave him the fuck alone?
Come back Mykeru! We have shit posts!

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Mykeru clearly said he had retained counsel. He's just not using them. Yet.

He is fucking with her.

Using Shrodinger's Lawyer.

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Also, she is desperate for a lawyer to lawyer love in a) because they can go billable hrs crazy together and b) the other lawyers won't publish and mock her communications.

Right now she is wrestling with jello that has a nasty splash back.

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Really? wrote:
ERV wrote:So thirsty.
I love how he even did the parentheses around his name like she did. PZ is one of the young people.
The name in parentheses thing is about being Jewish:

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/204311/ ... -the-nazis

Christina Hoff-Sommers and Cathy Young on Twitter:
CHSpara.jpg
PZ and Beccy aren't Jewish, so they must have come out in sympathy or summat.
I'm imagining a Father Nate-driven plugin, called "Joo Dunnit". It shows up on the toolbar as Nate's bearded bonce; click on his beard, and a separate window will open giving a detailed analysis of the Jew-driven conspiracy lurking beneath the surface of the current webpage.

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Really? wrote: I'm not quite sure what the lawyers letters mean. Can't Mykeru tell her to serve him papers or leave him the fuck alone?
I think the game plan here is to eke it out as long as possible in order to cost the Baxters more money.

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LOL at Gabriel tweeting on the #killallwhitemen hash. Who is he, Rachel Dolezal?

Psst. Alex. If you grow a pair of balls and you are serious about that, then I can think of one white man you could probably bump off. You already know his home address and habits, and he'd be easy for you to overpower .

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Really? wrote:I'm not quite sure what the lawyers letters mean. Can't Mykeru tell her to serve him papers or leave him the fuck alone?
She has essentially already agreed to that, barring Mykeru volunteering a lawyer for her to rack up billing hours.

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Old news here already? (Read his link & his conversation with MN)

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Service Dog wrote:
Guestus Aurelius wrote:
ERV wrote:So thirsty.
That's in response to this Watson tweet:
Two ((parentheses)) are a kosher set of Jewish peyos.

(((PZ))) is wearing three. That means fake dreadlocks in a Rasta hat. :banana-dreads:

Bonita Tindle!

:bjarte:Rebecca Watson :bjarte:
Isn't that cultural appropriation?

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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"Social Constructs 101" by @gregstevens
http://gregstevens.com/2016/06/05/the-m ... ed-gender/

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Cunning Punt wrote:
Enviable skill, grasshopper, to strike so acutely at nerve of small aquatic crustacean.

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Skep tickle wrote:Old news here already? (Read his link & his conversation with MN)
"is better that ten innocent commentators be banned than that one SJW gain entry"

Poor misunderstood Peter. Collateral rift damage.

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Ape+lust wrote:http://i.imgur.com/M9wZNrV.jpg

This means more room for edifying tweets from the moralizing shrimp, yay.

http://i.imgur.com/YyXt03q.jpg
"They fuck you up, your mum and dad..."

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Skep tickle wrote:Old news here already? (Read his link & his conversation with MN)
I commented.

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Really? wrote:Mykeru has been lurking! We miss you! (Most of us, I'm guessing.)
I can respect that.

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FTB appears likely to drop off alexa's top-50K-sites (by traffic), possibly fairly soon.

http://i.imgur.com/sKXUPdX.png?1

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:Old news here already? (Read his link & his conversation with MN)
I commented.
But it's been detected as "spam" for some reason and isn't showing up. Here is what I wrote:
We see this tactic used by right wing Christians when they bring up paedophilia while discussing homosexuality. It happens all the time.
"They"? Are you making a link between ordinary right-wing Christians and homophobia? Oh, but you didn't say "ALL right-wing Christians"!

When Sadiq Khan was campaigning for Major of London the Conservatives ran one of the dirtiest campaigns in history by trying to link Khan to terrorism at every stage. If Khan walked down the same street as an Islamic extremist then there were headlines screaming “Sadiq Khan’s link to terrorism”.
Did you just invoke the common trope of "Islamophobic Conservatives" in order to demonize ordinary people who disagree with you politically? Oh, but you didn't say "ALL Conservatives"!

All across Europe at anti-immigration rallies you see things like “rape-ugees”, implying the Muslim refugees are rapists. Of course when challenged they will retreat into “I didn’t say all Muslims”.
"All across Europe"? "They"? Why are you implying that people who disagree with you on immigration hate Muslims? Surely you won't retreat into "I didn't say ALL"...

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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Okay, maybe not so secret then. Damn, but these lasses sure are setting themselves up for some nasty legal action...

http://i.imgur.com/PVBNsYs.png

https://www.facebook.com/mgafm/posts/10101263963523787

So it really has come down to the bold sisterhood of social justice ekeing out that justic by means of...gossip. Never has the regressive left been more aptly monikered.

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Søren Lilholt wrote: "They fuck you up, your mum and dad..."
[youtube]itjCVYbfDJA[/youtube]

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Tigzy wrote:Okay, maybe not so secret then. Damn, but these lasses sure are setting themselves up for some nasty legal action...

http://i.imgur.com/PVBNsYs.png

https://www.facebook.com/mgafm/posts/10101263963523787

So it really has come down to the bold sisterhood of social justice ekeing out that justic by means of...gossip. Never has the regressive left been more aptly monikered.
If this is the same guy, here are his thoughts about the first Reason Rally, the one that people attended.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/oncampu ... ek_miller/

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads ... Miller.png

Bio from back then:
Derek Miller is a Sophomore at the University of Illinois studying political science and history. He serves as Outreach Chair for his campus atheist group, the Illini Secular Student Alliance.

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Holy shit.

Ashley has gone fucking full retard.

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rayshul wrote:Holy shit.

Ashley has gone fucking full retard.
It has been quite some time since the community had a sexual harassment witch hunt. The memory of Stollznow's second apology has receded, so it must have been time.

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This guy really is the worst. I would NOT be surprised if it turned out that he has hookers in his crawlspace, both dead and alive. He's clearly a creeper.

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Tigzy wrote:
deLurch wrote:BTW - Here is the Monster Talk Radio episode with Ronson that touches on the subject of shaming culture someone else referenced above.
http://www.skeptic.com/podcasts/monstertalk/15/04/15/
Anyone here read Ronson's book on public shaming? If so, recall his interview with Adria Richards - does she or does she come across as an utterly impermeable SJW scientology clear-level cultist? Despite Ronson trying to play fair and garner some sympathy for her by detailing her shitty childhood, even he can't help but get exasperated by her obtuse bugnuttery. In short, Adria was right and the two Dongle dudes were wrong because she's a black woman and they're white males. And that really is about it - and Adria buys into it commpletely.
It's very revealing of the SJW mindset. At one point Richards says that she wouldn't make dongle jokes because she has "empathy," but when Ronson asks her if she feels sorry for the man who lost his job she says "no." She says "If I had a wife and kids, I wouldn't go around making jokes." She has zero empathy for the man and his family. To her, empathy is for abstract groups not for individuals.

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:
Guestus Aurelius wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:Old news here already? (Read his link & his conversation with MN)
I commented.
Peter Ferguson wrote:First of all, this is generalising. Not all Muslims are against deceptions [?] of Muhammad. Now Andrew didn’t say all, but the joke clearly implies a vast majority. Of course when criticised Andrew and his defenders said it was mere satire. But satire doesn’t mean it isn’t a generalization, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. They also said prohibitions of depictions of Muhammad are “prevalent” or “generally held”. Which might be true. But it’s not what Andrew said, his “joke” implied (heavily implied) a vast majority. Remember what I said about weaseling out? Well his phrasing allows him just enough room to do so.
Remember kids, if you make jokes about Catholics, that's OK, but if you joke about Muslims, that's dog-whistling (I've come to hate this word).
Peter Ferguson wrote:Even though that’s not what was said. Also sharia doesn’t automatically equate to a prohibition of cartoons of Muhammad. For example Shias, 10% of the Muslim population, have no problem with depictions and many of them support sharia as law.
Wrong. Very, very wrong. Shia muslims have no problems with depictions, but have a lot of problems with satire of Mohammed. Just ask Salman Rushdie.
Peter Ferguson wrote:I would love for Atheist Ireland to take step back for a second and look at its behaviour. It’s publishing content that wouldn’t be out of place in the Daily Mail. A Stormfront member could visit the site and see nothing that would suggest that AI is antithetical to their brand of Islamophobia. Instead they would find what appears to be dog whistling Islamophobia, arguments about stopping the use of the term Islamophobia and links to a number of Islamophobes. Atheist Ireland hasn’t done or said anything that is Islamophobic, and I am not saying they have done but they have shown pure disinterest when it comes to Islamophobia, and in this context now appear to be publishing dog whistling content.
Wow. This is some egregious demonization. "Oh, yes, they haven't said anything which is bigoted, but if you read between the lines they're basically Stormfront, because they don't say anything which is antithetical to them, wink wink nudge nudge".
Peter Ferguson wrote:Shit really hit the fan in the last few days. Furthering the discussion on identity politics Andrew linked to an article on Spiked magazine about students wanting segregation on some campuses. I pointed out that Andrew was, again, attacking the fringe to negate the whole and while doing so he is linking to a magazine that has engaged heavily in paedophile apologetics.
Guilt by association at its finest.

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Tigzy wrote:Okay, maybe not so secret then. Damn, but these lasses sure are setting themselves up for some nasty legal action...

i.imgur.com/PVBNsYs.png

facebook.com/mgafm/posts/10101263963523787

So it really has come down to the bold sisterhood of social justice ekeing out that justic by means of...gossip. Never has the regressive left been more aptly monikered.
Archived:
https://archive.is/GQPCV

It appears that he has been involved in the Secular Student Alliance.
He may have appeared on The Pink Atheist Podcast, but I am unsure if it is the same D.M. He appears to be based out of Chicago.

-Soylent f98

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katamari Damassi wrote:
Anyone here read Ronson's book on public shaming? If so, recall his interview with Adria Richards - does she or does she come across as an utterly impermeable SJW scientology clear-level cultist? Despite Ronson trying to play fair and garner some sympathy for her by detailing her shitty childhood, even he can't help but get exasperated by her obtuse bugnuttery. In short, Adria was right and the two Dongle dudes were wrong because she's a black woman and they're white males. And that really is about it - and Adria buys into it commpletely.
It's very revealing of the SJW mindset. At one point Richards says that she wouldn't make dongle jokes because she has "empathy," but when Ronson asks her if she feels sorry for the man who lost his job she says "no." She says "If I had a wife and kids, I wouldn't go around making jokes." She has zero empathy for the man and his family. To her, empathy is for abstract groups not for individuals.[/quote]

To SJWs "empathy" means being a SJW. "Punching up vs. punching down". Privileged people don't deserve empathy.

"Empathy" for SJWs has the same meaning that "love" has for Christians or "peace" for Muslims, i.e. a way to feel superior to the crowds of shitlords/heatens/kaffirs and treat them like the garbage that they are, or (at best) to be "compassionate" about the "poor sinners" and wish they could repent before the Big Revolution/Eternal Hellfire.

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Brive1987 wrote:Also, she is desperate for a lawyer to lawyer love in a) because they can go billable hrs crazy together and b) the other lawyers won't publish and mock her communications.

Right now she is wrestling with jello that has a nasty splash back.
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Spike Lee made a documentary called 2FistsUp about the black protests at Missou.

There's a section about Melissa Click, edited to make it appear Mark Scheirbecker hit Melissa Click.
The Melissa Click part begins around 46 minutes in:

http://theundefeated.com/videos/spike-l ... 2-fists-up

The unabashed bullshit spoken in just that one segment makes any black person speaking in the black power idiom sound like a liar,
by association. I don't know if I could watch the whole thing without conditioning myself to become a paranoid racist.

As a teenager, Spike Lee was a huge influence on me. Even going back to School Daze, I always knew there was septic junk floating in his Kool-Aid. But something about this example is particularly galling to me. I can't put my finger on why this is the last straw for me.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
I actually agree that Thunderfoot, the Amazing Atheist and other Youtube atheist (the people who Sincere Kirabo called "village atheists") are much better at getting support to fight against the authoritarian aspects of religion than the SJW-radfem-PC brigade (who only want to substitute the old gods with their new ones).

And yes, the teachings of "New Atheists" are still around.

And it's also perfectly possible that many people who are pissed at authoritarianism and at the efforts of the moral crusaders of various stripes will agree with each other about protecting secularism and liberalism.

But they won't do it at secularist rallies, or at secularist conferences. They'll do it on the internet, in their lives, and in politics at large. The age of big secularist rallies and conferences is gone, if it ever existed. People are growing dissatisfied with politics in general and are backing anti-establishment candidates, many times because they're getting pissed at the growing authoritarianism of both the Religious Right and the PC Regressive Left.

However I'm not very confident that this dissatisfaction will lead to a fight against religion and ideology. Indeed religions and ideologies are coming back in fashion in politics: Islam is growing in numbers and influence, and there are revivals of communism and fascism, especially in Europe.

As of right now I see a growth of political violence and of instability on all sides of aisle. Skilled manipulators can use this instability to pass authoritarian laws, and get into power with an "anti-establishment" message which is actually religious or (more likely) heavily ideological and authoritarian in nature.

There's a revival of fascism and nationalism on the right in Europe, while the left often goes full Regressive. Soon the choice might be between alt-right nationalistic neo-nazis and Regressive pro-Islam neo-commies with little room for supporters of liberal ideals (which include secularism) in between.

The US fare somewhat better than Europe, but the key features of the radicalization of politics and of the abandonment of liberal democratic ideas are still there. This current presidential campaign has led to ideological tension and physical attacks in a way that was unseen in previous ones.

I'm all for a rise of a bipartisan movement which is against ideologies and authoritarianism, and in favor of liberal ideals and of secularism, but I'm not sure if such a movement is actually possible. I'm afraid that ideological and religious tensions might lead to conflicts, to more authoritarian policies, and ultimately even to small scale civil wars.

It'd be nice to see the SJWs and the Regressive left being shunned by the rational crowd and left to die of infighting and bickering in their "safe spaces". And it's not impossible for this to happen.

But the biggest strength of the authoritarian left is in the media. The libertarian left has to turn to Youtube or Reddit because the mainstream leftist media have gone full SJWs.

Anita Sarkeesian is despised on the Internet, but she's beloved by the corporate leftist media, from the New York Times to Newsweek to Rolling Stone to the Verge. The Guardian is actually calling for laws which can make social networks liable for hosting "hate speech". Salon, Jezebel, Kotaku, Gawker and other online corporate media outlets are firmly on the SJW camp. The narratives of Black Lives Matter, of the "Internet is no safe space for women" crowd and of the "1 in 5" and the "77 cents for a dollar" are accepted by pretty much all the influential medias which aren't politically aligned with the right (and with their own huge blind spots about other issues).

Evidence-based reporting and a neutral point of view have been thrown away in favor of "campaigns against social epidemics" and of political propaganda which doesn't even bother to disguise itself as news. People like Sabrina Erdely can write articles based on no reasonable research, propagate unevidenced crap and still not lose their jobs.

People on all sides of the aisle will continue to be whipped into frenzies over the latest moral outrage. Journalism ultimately doesn't have a right wing or a left-wing bias, it has lazy bias (h/t comhcinc). People don't have the time and don't want to put in the effort to understand a nuanced issues on the bases of evidence and of coherent value: they click and buy articles with catchy titles and easy, partisan narratives, and journalists give them what attracts their attention.

In short I can believe that many people are getting tired of the PC police, but many more are easy to join smear campaigns and attacks on liberal values if they believe that the targets of their witch hunts are "evil" enough. And witch hunts and smear campaigns sell papers and attract voters.

We'd need a way to attract the disgruntled masses to secularism and to the defense of liberal principles outside of partisan issues, but in the US you're stuck into a highly partisan two-party system, and in Europe the moderates are losing ground to the loud, outspoken nutters who claim to "speak for the people".
You have a lot of fears, I'm usually a pessimistic person, but i am a lot more optimistic about this. All I can do is share a story by way of example of how i think things are going.

My son got into a really good school, it is so good that diplomats and international businessmen (And women!!!) send their kids there, so it is very multicultural and diverse. It has also been very progressive over the last few years and my son has some home saying the usual, "That's so sexist, that's is so racist, I am so triggered I can't even".
Anyhow, he is a prefect and especially responsible for looking after younger children in certain areas of school life. It came to his attention that some of these kids were getting bullied and harassed outside of school and asked me what to do.
Well we sat down and he told me some stories, and apparently some of the abuse turned out to involve a lot of mention of big noses. So I asked if the group responsible happened to be "people of colour". Well yes, as it turned out they were, and there had been uses of the words "cracker" (he is too young to know what that means) "Jew" and "privilege". I am sure you can see where this is going. There has been incidents of bullying in the school before and this was all kind of mild, except it had Black Supremacist overtones.

He knew it was his duty as prefect to report this but was scared of the group as they shouted him down and intimidated him for standing up once before. I told him to go to school the next day and report it, meanwhile I prepared for war as I didn't expect the school to do anything much. I got on the phone and started calling people I knew in education for advice, I had a feeling this was going to be a long fight because I really didn't expect the school to be wise to how the #BlackLivesMatter movement has taken a nasty turn.

But he came home that night and said, don't worry, it is sorted. The school has expelled or suspended every one of them! Just like that.

Honestly, I was bowled over, I expected the school to maybe inform the parents, turn a blind eye, repercussions, retaliation, counter accusations of racism. But no, they are wise to it and decided to stomp on it before it can get a hold.

Regardless of what is going on in the media, people are getting wise to social justice as a bigoted hate mob. As we have seen so often, the regressives only have the power we give them because all they have are accusations of isms and phobias. That trick has worn thin. It doesn't take a swing to the far right to deal with them, you just have to say enough is enough.

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VickyCaramel wrote:You have a lot of fears, I'm usually a pessimistic person, but i am a lot more optimistic about this. All I can do is share a story by way of example of how i think things are going.
I actually prepare for the worst so that I can be pleasantly surprised.

Nice story, though. Good behavior from the school, the principal must be someone who isn't easily intimidated.
Regardless of what is going on in the media, people are getting wise to social justice as a bigoted hate mob. As we have seen so often, the regressives only have the power we give them because all they have are accusations of isms and phobias. That trick has worn thin. It doesn't take a swing to the far right to deal with them, you just have to say enough is enough.
I'm not advocating swinging to the far right by any means. I haven't argued against Steersman just for sheer masochism, I actually think that his ideas are a clear pathway to fascism.

I'm just afraid that the Regressives and the Far Right will wreck the system because they're the ones who shout the loudest and this society rewards narcissistic loudmouths with fame and power, however temporary they might be.

Common people are getting wiser to the SJWs without becoming nazis or fascists, but the leftist media and political establishment will carry on using them for a while, just like the right-wing media and political establishment use the Religious Right.

What I'm afraid of is that journalists and politicians don't care about the damage they create as long as they're not accountable for it, so unless we find a way to make them accountable for the damage created by their support for the SJW policies and witch hunts they won't stop supporting them until it'll be too late.

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http://i.imgur.com/3QnHrzg.jpg

Warning: links to FTB and The Orbit.
PZ Myers, The Ally Who's Trying Too Hard

Content notice: sexual objectification.

Is there even one cishet white male who is not a scumbag? Is there? I doubt it. srsly. I doubt it very much. Yeah, I can hear you think: "But...but...surely, there are many who are allies, they can't be all bad?" Wrong. Yes, they are all bad. And more and more I've come to the conclusion that it's especially our so-called allies who are bad. They're the worst.

My co-blogger on this network, the esteemed Heina Dadabhoy, who is currently engaged in the writing of the first anti-Islam book that is not islamophobic, and who is bravely battling sizeist abuse and transphobia from the usual suspects, our Heina has just written a post in which she proved that Dan Linford is not safe, especially for femme women and femme AFAB non-binary people.

Who da fuck is Dan Linford? If, like me, you had never heard of the dude before, it will come as a shock to learn that he was one of those predators who pretended to be one of us. A feminist ally. Anyways, since Heina provides all the evidence you need, I will just step over this piece of filth, to draw attention to another one. One who has so far managed to sleaze his way through our circles, in spite of all the tells that showed him for what he was.

Yeah, I'm talking about PZ fucking Myers. PZ Myers, who openly defended Terfia Benson against trans people who were fighting for their right of existence. Myers, who accused said trans people of tribalism, thereby with one stone denying our lived experiences and making it seem as if tribes are just backwards, brown people who can be freely ridiculed.

Like the true predator he is, he pretends that he welcomes the exposure of his fellow predators. So when he read Heina's outing of Dan Lindford as a predator, Myers knew exactly how to react so as to seem on the right side:
I’m horrified, too. Hitting on students? Unforgivable. Trying to manipulate women while claiming to be on their side? Don’t do that.

And thanks for bringing further discredit to my sex.
Don't let him fool you, folks. This is the guy who fantasized about turning his students into mermaids, and about what he would do with them. Is there any significant difference between fantasizing about having a mass orgy with your students and actually hitting on them? Not in my book. Imagine what it must feel like to be a student of his, after you have read his blog post, and then being exposed to his male gaze, while you are supposed to learn something from him. I would be fucking creeped out.

This is also a guy who had a rape accusation on his ass, but then in effect locked his accuser up and went to his superiors to tell them his version of the story first. This is the good ally PZ Myers who claimed to have witnesses to that incident who could exonerate him, while also stating that he had been alone in his lab with the victim. This is fishy, to say the least. Why do we keep giving the guy a pass? He's a creep who needs to be avoided by all femme-identifying people. It's. Time. For. Us. To. Dump. Him. srsly.

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Really? wrote:
ERV wrote:So thirsty.
I love how he even did the parentheses around his name like she did. PZ is one of the young people.
The name in parentheses thing is about being Jewish:

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/204311/ ... -the-nazis

Christina Hoff-Sommers and Cathy Young on Twitter:
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PZ and Beccy aren't Jewish, so they must have come out in sympathy or summat.
Its some stupid meme about neonazis using multiple parentheses to denote targets. (Like most things on the interwebs, I expect its horsecrap.) So the SJW set are all using it in their self descriptions in a "I am Sparticus" like attempt to confuse the neonazis. Like they need any help.

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Old_ones wrote:
LOL at Gabriel tweeting on the #killallwhitemen hash. Who is he, Rachel Dolezal?

Psst. Alex. If you grow a pair of balls and you are serious about that, then I can think of one white man you could probably bump off. You already know his home address and habits, and he'd be easy for you to overpower .
How can he know his home address when the little crustacean is perpetually homeless?

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deLurch wrote:Back on the issue of Mykeru, it appears that Karen's lawyer has been working weekends and is eager to get out of communications with Mykeru. The billable hours for the scary legal letter have dried up.

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The problem is, it is unethical for her to continue to deal with him if she knows he is represented by counsel. This is actually one of the things that can get an attorney disbarred. So whether by design or not, he has actually put her in a bit of a pickle by indicating that he is represented but refusing to provide details.

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some guy wrote:
deLurch wrote:Back on the issue of Mykeru, it appears that Karen's lawyer has been working weekends and is eager to get out of communications with Mykeru. The billable hours for the scary legal letter have dried up.

http://i.imgur.com/c9eZzoa.png
She's using techicalities to stall and avoid. Kykeru should just tell her that, as of this time, he is no longer represented by an attorney in this matter. Then she can't pull this BS.

(Pull, its a win win for both of them, as then she gets to bill KS for more hours)
Not a technicality. This is something that the Ethics Committee of the Bar takes seriously. Not quite as bad as misappropriating clients funds, but pretty serious.

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Dammit Jan!

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I think I've mentioned before that my boyfriend is an episcopal priest? I've been going to Sunday services just to share the experience with him. He only officiates once a month or so-the town is small and has no pastor. When he's not doing the service, I find myself in the awkward position of taking it more seriously than him, despite the fact that I'm a unbeliever. I've actually said to him, "You're not wearing that to church, put something else on." Today during the liturgical reading I glance over and he's playing a game on his phone. The congregation is very nice. They love my boyfriend. They know we're a couple, but I'm not out as an atheist. I feel like I'm living in The Vicar of Dibley.

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Dammit, if you're going to call him Kykeru, you may as well surround it with "echoes".

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