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katamari Damassi wrote:
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Surprised to see that Darkmatter made it onto the official list of shitlords.
Dark Matter even regretted to have recommended Steve Shives.

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Many more are, even on the atheist periphery towards science-edutainment, e.g. CGP Grey or Maria from Brainpickings (who came out in support of Sam Harris). Gary Edwards, Cool Hard Logic or King Crocoduck — they all are critical of SJWs, but that doesn't necessarily show up in their videos yet.

However there are many SJW sympathizers as well, as soon you start looking. Aron Ra, Phil Rose, Matt Dillahunty, Ashley Paramore, NonStampCollector — to name a few — are plenty of old school atheist YouTubers with an ignoramus, Mitläufer or sympathizer bent. They are typically cought up in confirmation bias, and are polarized almost like Thunderf00t but in the opposite direction (they didn't went Full Shives yet, though). There are many more, but it isn't as totally black-white as it used to be. HBomberguy, or Kristi Winters are more like reactions to reactions to reactions to SJWism. They typically have no clue how it got there and only see e.g. Thunderfoot making his twentieth video on Sarkeesian and disapprove of that.

It's interesting to see how the anti-SjWs see the more exteme SJWs, react to this and then more clueless progressives see the more hostile shitlord faction and get activated by that, and react in turn. That's how it gets increasingly more partisan, even though “sides” by now are more an illusion. The SJW sympathizers — even the more moderate ones — however — more persistently make critical errors, association fallacies, disapprove of SJW criticism per se, show strong US partisan/tribal behaviour etc. It doesn't matter whether someone made fun of Aurini and the likes before. To them YouTube atheists per se, dictionary atheists, village atheists, MRA, PUA, Trump fans, brogressives, Dawkbros, neocons, libertarians, are all the same thing without any difference. And yes, it occured to me that my own uniform perception of Pro-SJWs might be the same thing in the opposite direction, but there are many distinctions and groups and differences, and they virtually always existed and where always a clunky feature — including the difficulty to even name some group accurately (which is however unknown to SJWs, where through safespace induced telephone games no nuance could persist, thanks to Myers' Law).

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We live in a world where Greta Christina & Surly Amy ((Star-of-Davis Roth)) tried to match wits with Sam Harris & EllenBeth Wachs...

and the exchange just patiently waited for me to stumble across it 2 years later. So good...


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Kirbmarc wrote:
Dave wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:As seen on the 'So Much Guardian' twitter account:


https://twitter.com/somuchguardian?lang=en-gb


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The fuck?!?!

Is there anyone over the age of 12 who doesnt know women menstruate?

_Are You There God Its Me Margaret_ is one of the top 15 best selling childrens books of all time.

What in Xandru's Hells is going through the shriveled mass that passes for her brain?
The article here (archive link, because the Guardian doesn't deserve any clicks).
Lindy West wrote:The most significant source of my adolescent period anxiety was the fact that, in the US and much of the west, acknowledging the completely normal and mundane function of most uteruses is still taboo. The taboo is so strong that it contributes to the widespread stonewalling of women from seats of power – for fear that, as her first act in the White House, Hillary Clinton might change Presidents’ Day to Brownie Batter Makes the Boo-Hoos Stop Day. The taboo is strong enough that a dude once broke up with me because a surprise period started while we were having sex and the sight of it shattered some pornified illusion he had of women as messless pleasure pillows. The taboo is so strong that while we’ve all seen swimming pools of blood shed in horror movies and action movies and even on the news, when a woman ran the 2015 London Marathon without a tampon, photos of blood spotting her running gear made the social media rounds to near-universal disgust. The blood is the same – the only difference is where it’s coming from. The disgust is at women’s natural bodies, not at blood itself.
If you are you disgusted by freebleeding then you hate women's bodies.
We can mention periods obliquely, of course, when we want to delegitimise women’s real concerns, dismiss their more inconvenient emotions. But to suggest that having a period isn’t an abomination, but is, in fact, natural and good, or – my God – to actually let people see what period blood looks like? (This is going to blow a lot of you guys’ minds, but: it looks like blood.) You might as well suggest replacing the national anthem with Donald Trump harmonising with an air horn.

Yeah, personally I hate my period and think it’s annoying and gross, but it’s not more gross than anything else that comes out of a human body. It’s not more gross than faeces, urine, pus, bile, vomit, or the grossest bodily fluid of them all – in my mother’s professional opinion – phlegm. And yet we are not horrified every time we go to the bathroom. We do not stigmatise people with stomach flu. The active ingredient in period stigma is misogyny.
But, surprise surprise, we're disgusted by adults who crap or pee in their pants in public, especially if they're mentally and physically competent enough to go to the bathroom. And we're disgusted by people who vomit in public.

And yet we should see period blood in public.
Maybe periods wouldn’t be so frightening if we didn’t refer to them as “red tide” or “shark week” or any other euphemism that evokes neurotoxicity or dismemberment. Maybe if we didn’t perpetuate the idea that vaginas are disgusting garbage dumps, government officials wouldn’t think of vagina care as literally throwing money away. Maybe if girls felt free to talk about their periods in shouts instead of whispers, boys wouldn’t grow up thinking that vaginas are disgusting and mysterious either. Maybe women would go to the doctor more. Maybe fewer women would die of cervical and uterine cancer. Maybe everyone would have better sex. Maybe women would finally be considered fully formed human beings, instead of off–brand men with defective genitals.
Who the hell thinks that vaginas are "disgusting garbage dumps"? Certainly not all the men and boys who want to stick their dicks into vaginas, because really, would they be so willing to stick their dicks there if they thought that they were "disgusting garbage dumps"?

West is kooky even by feminist standards. Feminism teaches us men really want to stick their dicks in vaginas to the point that they violate any moral and social rule to do so. We live in a rape culture after all, don't we?
The truth is, my discomfort with my period didn’t have anything to do with the thing itself – it was just part of the lifelong, pervasive alienation from my body that every woman absorbs to some extent. Your body is never yours. Your body is your enemy. Your body is gross. Your body is wrong. Your body is broken. Your body isn’t what men like. Your body is less important than a foetus. Your body should be “perfect” or it should be hidden.
Because you know, men are never ever told that they're inadequate for being too short or too fat or too thin or not muscly enough or not what women like.

TL;DR: Lindy West is mad as a box of frogs.
Lindy West thinks all straight men are repulsed by vaginas? Sounds like a fallacy of personal incredulity.

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Tigzy wrote:All this talk of moving your ears around or whatever reminds me of how Karl Pilkington reacted when Ricky Gervais, talking about evolution, mentioned how people evolved forward-facing eyes:
What do you mean about eyes facing forward? You mean, before we got here, there were people who had eyes that were looking into their heads?
It is pathetic how many times I have listened to those podcasts and XFM shows.

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DaveDodo007 wrote: That would be just the auditory part of the brain which can detect time differences that the sound reaches your ears. The ear itself just collects and amplifies the sound. Whichever way your ears were facing the only time you would have a problem is that the noise was equidistant from both ears whether in front of you or behind you. Then you would be confused as to where the sound was coming from, it certainly would not relocate the direction the sound was coming from.
Interaural time delay mostly provides left/right information to the brain, that is, azimuth rather than elevation. The frequency distortions of the pinnae provide the elevation (up/down) information.

(This was my area of expertise, back in the late 90’s.)




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d4m10n wrote:They aren't merely accessories, they actually produce the frequency shifts referred to in the field of 3D audio as the head related transfer function (HRTF).
More fun.

The definition of a (perceptual) accessory structure is something that alters the proximal stimulus prior to transduction in a manner that aids in the correct calculation of the distal stimulus. Those frequency shifts are what make the pinna an accessory structure.

Or maybe you were using the word "merely" in the same way that creationists say that evolution is merely a theory....

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:Nobody including me is talking about changing the design. A lot of pitters seem to think the ear will lose a function of being able to detect whether a noise is in front of us or behind us just because the ear is facing the opposite direction. This would be a massive design flaw.
Yep. All them Pitters who are also Intelligent Design fans are sure lookin' stupid right now.
DaveDodo007 wrote:We're not talking about the precise location of the sound that is another subject.
To the extent that really good localization would be referred to as "precise" and that knowing front from back is needed for it to qualify as "really good," I'd say that we're all talking about exactly what you think is another subject.
DaveDodo007 wrote:The brains ability (interpret the data sent from the ear) to detect the direction the vibrations hit the ear will not change whatever way the ear is facing. Christ every time we look behind us the brain will get confused otherwise.
First, the goal of perceptual localization is to determine the relative location of the source of the sound. What direction the vibrations are hitting the ear is a cue to this (along with myriad other cues), but not the answer to the question that the mind is trying to solve.

Second, when you turn your body, the current best guess by the system as to the location of the source of the sound is mentally rotated. It's the same as occurs with visual localization when you move your eyes. In fact, the changes to the entire distribution of sounds when you move your hear is USED by the system to get a better estimate of the sound-source's location. This is part of why people "cock their head" when listening; they aren't just lining up an ear ... they are also using the changes in the sound as they move to narrow in on the source's location.*

* nb. I know that I often type too fast and make a lot of typos, but I also put some effort into how I say things. if you look back a page or so, you'll see a place where I said something along the lines of "assuming that the head stays still...". I did that because I know that we use parallax (in vision) and shifts in frequencies (in audition), both of which involve movements. I could see this shit about movement coming and didn't want to write something loose and technically inaccurate, so I tossed in that bit about "assuming that the head doesn't move." I think it's now clear (to me) that that level of carefulness in writing is waste of fucking time.
Lol, it was a simple question on a forum and I give a simple answer. Though thank you wikibiologist for educating me an actual biologist on how sound location works. :roll: Your claim was that the ear facing the other way would fool the brain into thinking the sound would would come from the totally opposite direction. This claim is false because sound location happens somewhere else. How many times must I say this the ear just collects and amplifies the sound (vibrations), end of. I'm actually starting to think you have read that the brain can use Hertz levels to locate sound direction even when all other factors are neutral. This is utter speculation on their part with the massive assumption that the brain knows what caused the noise, how loud it should be, how far away it already is and still use this data to determine the local of the noise. I have seem such articles and comments myself so I'm sorry if you have been fed disinformation but bullshit is bullshit.

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You know how feminists don't like the term Feminazi?

[youtube]5IpZoMEMxUs[/youtube]

Skip to about 23:40.

Here's a young woman who's very offended by the term.

The twist is that she's a Neo-Nazi* who doesn't like being compared to feminists!

* She's probably a troll, but I'm not sure.

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Where can we find this authoritative definition, Billie?


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DaveDodo007 wrote:No, all the ear does is collect and amplify the sound, the brain does all the heavy lifting.
Amplify? Seriously? Does it go to 11?

Just stop.

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jet_lagg wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:How do you think hearing works exactly? Do you picture the soundwaves impacting some sort of audio receptive cells that lie in a recess on the surface of the skin, like a proto eye?
No, all the ear does is collect and amplify the sound, the brain does all the heavy lifting.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how hearing works.
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jet_lagg wrote:Putting the pinna on backwards would be "changing the design", yes.
That would be redesigning the head not the ear.
And apparently you also have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an ear is. I'll let someone else take it from here.
You made the claim you back it up.

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Tigzy wrote:All this talk of moving your ears around or whatever reminds me of how Karl Pilkington reacted when Ricky Gervais, talking about evolution, mentioned how people evolved forward-facing eyes:
What do you mean about eyes facing forward? You mean, before we got here, there were people who had eyes that were looking into their heads?
What's funny about that is how our retinae actually do point backwards.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:How did i misunderstand it, if you swap your ears around you will not mistake a noise in front of you as coming from behind you.
You do know that he was talking about swapping the pinnae (as in: the thing on the side of your head), not the inner ear parts that transduce sound, yes?

Heck, with you I need to back up a step and make sure that you know that the things on the side of your head don't do the transducing. The pinnae are just accessory structures.
I understood the question.

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comhcinc wrote:If I cut off and switched my balls would I cum out my asshole?
Yes as we are on the slymepit were biology is a social construct.

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DaveDodo007 wrote:Lol, it was a simple question on a forum and I give a simple answer. Though thank you wikibiologist for educating me an actual biologist on how sound location works. :roll:
We're talking about perception, numbnuts, which has been a branch of psychology, not biology, for a bit more than 100 years.
DaveDodo007 wrote:Your claim was that the ear facing the other way would fool the brain into thinking the sound would would come from the totally opposite direction. This claim is false because sound location happens somewhere else. How many times must I say this the ear just collects and amplifies the sound (vibrations), end of. I'm actually starting to think you have read that the brain can use Hertz levels to locate sound direction even when all other factors are neutral. This is utter speculation on their part with the massive assumption that the brain knows what caused the noise, how loud it should be, how far away it already is and still use this data to determine the local of the noise. I have seem such articles and comments myself so I'm sorry if you have been fed disinformation but bullshit is bullshit.
I love it when someone comes close to saying something accurate, but says it while intending for it to be sarcastic. It has a certain poetic justice to it.

Yes, numbnuts, part of the way that humans localize sound front vs rear is by the "Hertz levels" especially "when all other factors are neutral." You have now achieved (part of) a mid-19th-century understanding of audition. Have the rest of the day off. You earned it.

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d4m10n wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote: That would be just the auditory part of the brain which can detect time differences that the sound reaches your ears. The ear itself just collects and amplifies the sound. Whichever way your ears were facing the only time you would have a problem is that the noise was equidistant from both ears whether in front of you or behind you. Then you would be confused as to where the sound was coming from, it certainly would not relocate the direction the sound was coming from.
Interaural time delay mostly provides left/right information to the brain, that is, azimuth rather than elevation. The frequency distortions of the pinnae provide the elevation (up/down) information.

(This was my area of expertise, back in the late 90’s.)
Wasn't interaural time the reason given by scientists that the Borrowers couldn't exist a few weeks back?

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Tigzy wrote:All this talk of moving your ears around or whatever reminds me of how Karl Pilkington reacted when Ricky Gervais, talking about evolution, mentioned how people evolved forward-facing eyes:
What do you mean about eyes facing forward? You mean, before we got here, there were people who had eyes that were looking into their heads?
What's funny about that is how our retinae actually do point backwards.
Aren't cephalopod retinae the 'right' way round?

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Shatterface wrote:Aren't cephalopod retinae the 'right' way round?
Yep.

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Really? wrote:
Lindy West thinks all straight men are repulsed by vaginas? Sounds like a fallacy of personal incredulity.
Boy, does she not understand straight men at all. :lol:

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DaveDodo007 wrote:
You made the claim you back it up.
If someone else follows the conversation and asks me to clarify on any point I'll oblige, but I don't want to waste any more time with you. You said that changing the pinna (which is defined as "the external part of the ear) would not be changing the ear. That's not the only reason I think you're being stupid, but it's the most obvious one.

Since you seem to be going the Hitchens route of demanding I back up my assertion you don't understand how hearing works, I'll take the equally Hitchens route of throwing myself at the mercy of the audience.

Does anyone here think I'm out of line in asserting DaveDodo seriously misunderstands how hearing works?

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DaveDodo007 wrote:
comhcinc wrote:If I cut off and switched my balls would I cum out my asshole?
Yes as we are on the slymepit were biology is a social construct.

You understand I as mocking you right?

Just want to be clear on the subject.

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All this stuff about ears - I tell you, I think the Pit is having a fit of sympathy irrelevance in response to the apparent demise of the atheism plus forum.

(BTW, I can't capitalise 'atheism plus'. It just seems wrong, somehow)

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Given that the squabble about ears came right after a squabble about Mykeru's video, from now on, when people say "patriarchy," I'm going to say "pinna" in the voice of Creepy Bitter Girl.

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It beats arguing about hammer versus screwdrivers.

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Stihl vs Husqvarna in 10 ... 9 ... 8

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Are we talking chainsaws or sewing machines?

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Cunning Punt wrote:It beats arguing about hammer versus screwdrivers.
Thats next as we discuss the best way to remove and reattach the pinnae.

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DaveDodo007 wrote:
comhcinc wrote: Trump did a good job as well.
I'm beginning to think Clinton's campaign team hate her. :lol:
No, this is just what happens when feminists try to do comedy.

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comhcinc wrote:
piginthecity wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Ears. Really?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No one is allow ever to talk about wrestling again.
Mick McManus always hated it when they grabbed his ears.

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He might just be fed up with people talking. The right ear is better for hearing the spoken word the left ear is better for music as the brain processes sounds from each ear differently.

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Caught up it?

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jet_lagg wrote:
Does anyone here think I'm out of line in asserting DaveDodo seriously misunderstands how hearing works?
You are indeed way out of line. In not having the little bugger on "ignore" in the first place. 90% of his posts consist of "lefty liberals iz a brain disease, wibble" and the rest have more noise than signal. A UK citizen enraptured with Trump. It's like watching a shipwreck-ya just gotta let it sink in.

And I see it claims to be a genuine actual biologist. He sure scienced the shit out of pinnae.

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Dave wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:It beats arguing about hammer versus screwdrivers.
Thats next as we discuss the best way to remove and reattach the pinnae.
My pinnae are quite hairy. As in not a few stray hairs but an actual pelt requiring daily shaving. Ears be weird.

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Can we ban the word "pinnae". It makes me uncomfortable.

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d4m10n wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote: That would be just the auditory part of the brain which can detect time differences that the sound reaches your ears. The ear itself just collects and amplifies the sound. Whichever way your ears were facing the only time you would have a problem is that the noise was equidistant from both ears whether in front of you or behind you. Then you would be confused as to where the sound was coming from, it certainly would not relocate the direction the sound was coming from.
Interaural time delay mostly provides left/right information to the brain, that is, azimuth rather than elevation. The frequency distortions of the pinnae provide the elevation (up/down) information.

(This was my area of expertise, back in the late 90’s.)




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Now we are getting into the tone of the sound some people also think it is the phase of the sound, the brain is also using previous experiences of familiar sounds to triangular locate the sounds. The brain also processes the sounds from the left and right ears differently. The ear in and of itself is just collecting and amplifying the sound.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:Lol, it was a simple question on a forum and I give a simple answer. Though thank you wikibiologist for educating me an actual biologist on how sound location works. :roll:
We're talking about perception, numbnuts, which has been a branch of psychology, not biology, for a bit more than 100 years.
DaveDodo007 wrote:Your claim was that the ear facing the other way would fool the brain into thinking the sound would would come from the totally opposite direction. This claim is false because sound location happens somewhere else. How many times must I say this the ear just collects and amplifies the sound (vibrations), end of. I'm actually starting to think you have read that the brain can use Hertz levels to locate sound direction even when all other factors are neutral. This is utter speculation on their part with the massive assumption that the brain knows what caused the noise, how loud it should be, how far away it already is and still use this data to determine the local of the noise. I have seem such articles and comments myself so I'm sorry if you have been fed disinformation but bullshit is bullshit.
I love it when someone comes close to saying something accurate, but says it while intending for it to be sarcastic. It has a certain poetic justice to it.

Yes, numbnuts, part of the way that humans localize sound front vs rear is by the "Hertz levels" especially "when all other factors are neutral." You have now achieved (part of) a mid-19th-century understanding of audition. Have the rest of the day off. You earned it.
All I can say is if the Hertz theory is true then [Citation needed.]

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DaveDodo007 wrote:The ear in and of itself is just collecting and amplifying the sound.
No. The shape of the ear is adding unique sonic distortions which allow the brain to differentiate elevations, and to a lesser extent front/back direction. Try modeling the entire human head-related transfer function sometime.


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jet_lagg wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:
You made the claim you back it up.
If someone else follows the conversation and asks me to clarify on any point I'll oblige, but I don't want to waste any more time with you. You said that changing the pinna (which is defined as "the external part of the ear) would not be changing the ear. That's not the only reason I think you're being stupid, but it's the most obvious one.

Since you seem to be going the Hitchens route of demanding I back up my assertion you don't understand how hearing works, I'll take the equally Hitchens route of throwing myself at the mercy of the audience.

Does anyone here think I'm out of line in asserting DaveDodo seriously misunderstands how hearing works?
I'll take that as I can't then.

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comhcinc wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:
comhcinc wrote:If I cut off and switched my balls would I cum out my asshole?
Yes as we are on the slymepit were biology is a social construct.

You understand I as mocking you right?

Just want to be clear on the subject.
You do realize I was joking right?

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DaveDodo007 wrote:
You do realize I was joking right?
I understand that you were trying to.

You do realize you failed right?

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comhcinc wrote:Can we ban the word "pinnae". It makes me uncomfortable.
Sure. Have some Alabama Spam, you seem peckish.
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d4m10n wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:The ear in and of itself is just collecting and amplifying the sound.
No. The shape of the ear is adding unique sonic distortions which allow the brain to differentiate elevations, and to a lesser extent front/back direction. Try modeling the entire human head-related transfer function sometime.


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No it doesn't and what are you even basing it on. I mean some half arsed spiral can add information to vibrations even if the eardrum was specifically able to pick them up (which it isn't.) WTF. You can hear the vibrations clearer end of.

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surf's up

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Please Dave, read the relevant wiki. It's fairly helpful: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-re ... r_function

Notice that swapping ears leads to confusion, because any given biological neural network is trained for a specific HRTF.


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comhcinc wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:
You do realize I was joking right?
I understand that you were trying to.

You do realize you failed right?
What can I say, god loves a trier.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Unless that picture has been inflected, it's the wrong ear. (Van Gogh cut his left, IIRC.)
Apparently he delivered it to a prostitute, Rachel, in a parcel. When she opened it she is reported to have asked "What's this 'ere?"

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This is another reason the Slymepit is better than any SJW Atheism+ haunt. Where else can you get spirited arguments about such minutiae as where to put your thumb when strumming chords on a guitar? Or which kind of screwdriver to use? Or the function of the skin and cartilage of the ear? All of which is peppered which pencil drawings of cops with massive cocks who are apparently offering speeders a way out of a ticket and arguments over intellectual property rights?

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John D wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote: He's 72. He's not playing the long game. He knew he was a longshot. This whole campaign was about making noise in regards to the corporate takeover of the Democratic Party since the Clintons took over the DLC in the 1990's. I think he really despises Hillary because of the damage her husband wrought due to policies of which she approved. He's trying to pull the party back to the left. That's what he's about.
So, he is staying in because he hates Hillary and is a Socialist true-believer. Hmmmm.... Could be I guess.... but if he really hated Hillary why doesn't he attacker her more aggressively? He still never goes after her history of scandal and pay-offs (other than the money she makes for speaking engagements). Could be I guess.... I shouldn't pretend to know what goes through the mind of a man who complains about the fact that there are many brands of deodorant in the store. Someone who thinks this way is a loon in my book. If he really believes the shit he says he is a bigger idiot than I thought.
Is there somewhere that has a non-partisan rundown of Hilary's proved criminality and misdeeds?

I can obviously see the wall of hate for Hilary but find it hard to clearly pin down the origin. Listening to our mainstream media yesterday, even they were reporting Hilaries presumptive nomination as happening despite the fact pretty much everyone but her most rusted-on supporters hates her. What has also surprised me is the amount of Merkins, including on the left, who see Trump and Hilary as being as bad of each other (for vastly different reasons, though) when one's intuition might be that Hilary would be a no-brainer if (now that?) the choice just her or Trump.

Tl;dr: what the deal with Hilary hate and why is it End Times if she gets the top job?

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Lindy West wrote: Maybe periods wouldn’t be so frightening if we didn’t refer to them as “red tide” or “shark week”
I've never heard it referred to as "shark week" and I think it's hilarious.

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katamari Damassi wrote:
Lindy West wrote: Maybe periods wouldn’t be so frightening if we didn’t refer to them as “red tide” or “shark week”
I've never heard it referred to as "shark week" and I think it's hilarious.
I think she's making it up:
https://www.quora.com/Do-whales-menstruate

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:
Lindy West wrote: Maybe periods wouldn’t be so frightening if we didn’t refer to them as “red tide” or “shark week”
I've never heard it referred to as "shark week" and I think it's hilarious.
I think she's making it up:
https://www.quora.com/Do-whales-menstruate
She's never spoken to a heterosexual male who wasn't a pussy white knight. It's not her fault.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:
Lindy West wrote: Maybe periods wouldn’t be so frightening if we didn’t refer to them as “red tide” or “shark week”
I've never heard it referred to as "shark week" and I think it's hilarious.
I think she's making it up:
https://www.quora.com/Do-whales-menstruate
There's an entry in the Urban Dictionary from 2005:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... ark%20week

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d4m10n wrote:Please Dave, read the relevant wiki. It's fairly helpful: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-re ... r_function

Notice that swapping ears leads to confusion, because any given biological neural network is trained for a specific HRTF.


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From the third paragraph:

"The monaural cues come from the interaction between the sound source and the human anatomy, in which the original source sound is modified before it enters the ear canal for processing by the auditory system. These modifications encode the source location, and may be captured via an impulse response which relates the source location and the ear location."

Quite a claim don't you think.

Also right at the end:

"The HRTF can also be described as the modifications to a sound from a direction in free air to the sound as it arrives at the eardrum. These modifications include the shape of the listener's outer ear, the shape of the listener's head and body, the acoustic characteristics of the space in which the sound is played, and so on. All these characteristics will influence how (or whether) a listener can accurately tell what direction a sound is coming from."

Claims aplenty here but I see no evidence to back it up.

As we are all now wikibiologists I would like for someone to point out to me were the eardrum can do anything other than transfer vibrational data which it receives to the brain. I see no super duper nerve ending that can collect 'encoded' information at all. Though what do I know, let's see what wikibiologist thinks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eardrum

Yeah, it is not showing me the magic nerve ending which can locate where a sound is coming from the helter skelter ride through the ear to the eardrum. Unless the 'modifications' they describe are collection and amplification then I'm out.

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DaveDodo007 wrote:
d4m10n wrote:Please Dave, read the relevant wiki. It's fairly helpful: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-re ... r_function

Notice that swapping ears leads to confusion, because any given biological neural network is trained for a specific HRTF.


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From the third paragraph:

"The monaural cues come from the interaction between the sound source and the human anatomy, in which the original source sound is modified before it enters the ear canal for processing by the auditory system. These modifications encode the source location, and may be captured via an impulse response which relates the source location and the ear location."

Quite a claim don't you think.

Also right at the end:

"The HRTF can also be described as the modifications to a sound from a direction in free air to the sound as it arrives at the eardrum. These modifications include the shape of the listener's outer ear, the shape of the listener's head and body, the acoustic characteristics of the space in which the sound is played, and so on. All these characteristics will influence how (or whether) a listener can accurately tell what direction a sound is coming from."

Claims aplenty here but I see no evidence to back it up.

As we are all now wikibiologists I would like for someone to point out to me were the eardrum can do anything other than transfer vibrational data which it receives to the brain. I see no super duper nerve ending that can collect 'encoded' information at all. Though what do I know, let's see what wikibiologist thinks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eardrum

Yeah, it is not showing me the magic nerve ending which can locate where a sound is coming from the helter skelter ride through the ear to the eardrum. Unless the 'modifications' they describe are collection and amplification then I'm out.
Has anyone asked Dr. Richard Carrier PhD what the answer is?


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Oops:

(Link is to original paper - 3rd author is Assoc Prof of Politics and...Microbiology?)

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Really? wrote:This is another reason the Slymepit is better than any SJW Atheism+ haunt. Where else can you get spirited arguments about such minutiae as where to put your thumb when strumming chords on a guitar? Or which kind of screwdriver to use? Or the function of the skin and cartilage of the ear? All of which is peppered which pencil drawings of cops with massive cocks who are apparently offering speeders a way out of a ticket and arguments over intellectual property rights?
And don't forget comhcinc's ball switch thought experiment.

@DaveDodo007

Imagine if you cut off both ears (the outer fleshy pina colada bit). You close your eyes and then someone plays a sound either 10 foot directly in front of your or 10 foot directly behind you. How can you tell which direction the sound came from?

For the purposes of this, also assume you have a perfectly round shaved, Karl Pilkingtonesc, head and your nose has been cut off.


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Very interesting article.

Trump has exploited the people who feel demonized for what they say and think.

These days pretty much everyone is demonized by the SJWs (including their own people when they slip up) and so some people, tired of being called rape apologists/white supremacists/worse than KKK and Hitler, have supported someone who deliberately mocks every aspects of political correctness.

This is why the usual tactic of exposing un-pC things said by a candidate backfired with Trump. People who like him do so exactly because he's un-PC.

The root of this feeling is the utter demonization of "wrongthink". Leftist activists, academia and media haven't simply stigmatized some ideas, they have painted anyone who supports those ideas as a largely nonredeemable monster.

This is never a good tactic to actually solve a social issue. It's obviously not a good tactic now, when even the slightest disagreement from the culture of political correctness gets you branded as a villain, but it's not very effective even when dealing with real racists and homophobes.

Real bigoted people aren't evil aliens from outer space. They're human beings, who are bigoted for a series of psychological, sociological and even economical reason. I'm not saying that those reasons justify bigotry (again, real bigotry, not SJW-defined bigotry). I'm saying that if we can try to understand criminals and what makes them tick we should also try to understand bigots and what makes them tick.

Even when fighting against bigotry you should never demonize all the bigots. You should acknowledge their humanity, their dignity, even when they're terribly wrong. You should keep clearly in mind the idea that they're not completely alien to you. You should at least make an attempt to reach out to them as persons if the chance seems right, even if their ideas are horrible according to your understanding.

People should be punished for their actions, not for their beliefs, even if their beliefs are grotesque and incomprehensible for you. And shunning and demonization are a form of punishment, a really powerful one, since social ostracism is something that most people fear. For most of our species' history being expelled from their group used to mean secure death. We still all react negatively when told that we don't belong. When we're told we're evil and deserve to be punished we get defensive, we defend our ego.

Indeed this is why bigotry is harmful, but it's also why demonization in general is harmful. The most odious part of SJW culture are their double standards, which they continually justify as "punching up vs. punching down" and "no such thing as reverse bigotry". Many people who read of someone writing #KillAllWhiteMen or #DieCisScum being hailed as a hero in many leftist/SJW circles are going to reject every claim that their ideas are bigoted, even if their ideas are really bigoted.

Let's take, for example, someone who refuses to sell wedding cakes to gay marriages. Is their idea bigoted and, incidentally, potentially bad for their business? Yes. Are they irredeemable monsters for their decision? No. They're not even necessarily as bad as the KKK. Many of them probably feel uncomfortable with the idea of gay marriage, but not necessarily would approve of someone who said "kill all gays". And they probably see you as hypocritical if you attack them while you're writing #DieCisScum.

And if the SJWs attack them as irredeemable monster they're going to get defensive and think that they're being oppressed for their faith, and probably see Trump as a breath of fresh air.

Think about the Gelato Guy. What he did was bigoted and small minded. But you know what? He apologized. He acknowledged that he was in the wrong. That's something that should be encouraged: it's the start of a conversation, it's building a bridge. We all fuck up from time to time, but it takes effort to recognize having done something wrong and apologizing for it, and this effort should be recognized as a good thing to do.

How did the SJW react when Gelato Guy apologized? In the words of PZ Myers: "fuck him to the ground". He "sinned" so he was to be treated like a "sinner", with not even a slight chance at redemption. He was judged as being a monster, unworthy of a chance to be reasoned with. His bigoted, small minded ideas about atheists were probably confirmed by the reaction of FTB if he was exposed to it.

He probably thought "Fuck it, I tried being nice to them, I tried explaining that I overreacted, but they treat me like a piece of shit. They're really assholes after all".

This is what SJW "call-out culture" does an a large basis. By treating anyone who's even said something even remotely bigoted as a monster it confirms the beliefs of people who are already prejudiced against black people, or LGBT people, or who are misogynists.

Treating someone as irredeemable is the best way to alienate them. If working class, non-college educated white men are described as a combination of the KKK, a rape gangbang and the Nazi party, they might as well flock for the only candidate which says "fuck political correctness, I say what you want to hear".

And this explains Donald Trump and many of those who like him.

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DaveDodo007 wrote:Yeah, it is not showing me the magic nerve ending which can locate where a sound is coming from the helter skelter ride through the ear to the eardrum. Unless the 'modifications' they describe are collection and amplification then I'm out.
The point is that the sound sounds different depending on what it had to travel through to get to your ear. The ear doesn't need to capture anything more than the air vibrations in order to infer the location of the sound source. And, of course, there is also the time delay between ears.

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I should clarify that, in the above post, by ear I mean eardrum.

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