The Refuge of the Toads

#32521

Any predictions about Carrier's next move? I'm anticipating a Jimmy Swaggart-like confession from him. It's eerily similar how prominent male feminists are like televangelists who fell from grace.

Perhaps Carrier may want to watch Swaggart and learn a few tips. Maybe replace the words "I have sinned my Lord!" with "I ignored my male privilege, social justice!" and other SJ buzzwords. Use Swaggart's remorseful and tearful tone of course too. It might work with SJWs!

[youtube]baByhJ9iS0g[/youtube]

#32522

Guestus Aurelius wrote:
deLurch wrote: Oh, and the reason, I am posting in the first place, to archive Regreta's knife twist post:
https://archive.is/zoksl

Anyone who thinks that feminists spoke out about Michael Shermer and others because we didn’t like them: do you think that’s what we’re doing with Richard Carrier?
Nope. By now you're just eating your own, since you've run out of out-groupers to "call out."

What is hysterically funny is Greeta Christina throwing herself to the head of the line, pushing Zvand aside and then proclaiming that "we" are coming for the perps.

Possibly hoping that no one will notice her porn fantasys involving lack of consent .. rape is the word actually ... and all that good stuff. Her failure to say something till now about Sticky Dickie?

Rape, rapist, rape culture Greeta. By your own words you get all excited by it. By your own standards Greeta. By your own words you are an enabler. A supporter of rape and rape culture. Kind of late in the game to pretend you are not.

#32523

fuzzy wrote:Over a ISF, a suggestion which Dr. Carrier should consider.

http://i.imgur.com/WgFgSxg.png

Not sure he would want all his activities brought to light, and what would he get out of it? The Stollznow retreat didn't materially benefit Radford. None of them have any money, and Carrier would have to rely on sugar mama for funds.

#32524

Service Dog wrote:I wonder if even The Space will deem Carrier too radioactive to remain in their fetish scene.

They have no plausible deniability: the first time someone complains about him there is already the umpteenth complaint against him. Liability exposure.

Carrier might as well take his chances with the woo crowd. They're probably not as vicious as the crowd he's leaving.

#32525

AndrewV69 wrote:
Guestus Aurelius wrote:
deLurch wrote: Oh, and the reason, I am posting in the first place, to archive Regreta's knife twist post:
https://archive.is/zoksl

Anyone who thinks that feminists spoke out about Michael Shermer and others because we didn’t like them: do you think that’s what we’re doing with Richard Carrier?
Nope. By now you're just eating your own, since you've run out of out-groupers to "call out."
What is hysterically funny is Greeta Christina throwing herself to the head of the line, pushing Zvand aside and then proclaiming that "we" are coming for the perps.

Possibly hoping that no one will notice her porn fantasys involving lack of consent .. rape is the word actually ... and all that good stuff. Her failure to say something till now about Sticky Dickie?

Rape, rapist, rape culture Greeta. By your own words you get all excited by it. By your own standards Greeta. By your own words you are an enabler. A supporter of rape and rape culture. Kind of late in the game to pretend you are not.

Andrew, I might be reading you wrong here, but my feeling is you believe Greta is a touch hypocritical?

#32526

Wow. Crowded on the Pit today. Good times.

#32527

Wow. Crowded on the Pit today. Good times.

#32528

Stretchycheese wrote:Any predictions about Carrier's next move? I'm anticipating a Jimmy Swaggart-like confession from him. It's eerily similar how prominent male feminists are like televangelists who fell from grace.

Perhaps Carrier may want to watch Swaggart and learn a few tips. Maybe replace the words "I have sinned my Lord!" with "I ignored my male privilege, social justice!" and other SJ buzzwords. Use Swaggart's remorseful and tearful tone of course too. It might work with SJWs!

[youtube]baByhJ9iS0g[/youtube]

He can also try the Schwyzer route, which means a teary public acceptance of SJW dogma and his sins and then thinking with his dick in the same way that got him in trouble in the first place:

Our man was consequently publicly exposed as a pervert, a sexual predator, an unstable opportunist who used feminism to get laid by dozens of women students half his age & by prostitutes he invited to his classroom to speak. When he was completely discredited, he did one of those born-again moves, did a little meltdown, some public prostrations & contritions. Then he laid low & took an extended leave from disgracing himself any further in the public eye–hoping a new generation of coeds would come of age that he could prey on when he re-emerged from hiding.

Now, after being dumped by his fourth wife, he’s trying to get back in the dating scene & is on FB asking for internet dating advice for a sexual reprobate with an international reputation as a dishonest, manipulative swinger who uses women & tried to murder his girlfriend. My suggestion would be he join a cloistered monastery on the North Pole.

I post this not in the vindictive spirit of “I told you so.” Just let me restate for the record: the women’s revolution will not be led by women in their underwear playing up to misogyny. The struggle against women’s oppression is deadly serious because the violence is so extreme & we will allow no confusions about whether or not we mean business.

http://www.maryscullyreports.com/hugo-s ... en-beware/

#32529

How many of you are checking the Friendly Atheist at least once an hour, waiting for Hemant Mehta's seal of disapproval? Com'on. 'Fess up.

#32530

Brive1987 wrote:Wow. Crowded on the Pit today. Good times.

Brive, it would be great to hear from you on Sargon's channel again. Perhaps you can provide an update there, regarding Carrier?

#32531

Billie from Ockham wrote:How many of you are checking the Friendly Atheist at least once an hour, waiting for Hemant Mehta's seal of disapproval? Com'on. 'Fess up.

I'm actually tired of watching people pile on, but it would be a good venue for publicly airing out Peez's blatant hypocrisy as gullible SJW tits are giving him kudos for his suspension while ignoring how fucking slow he reacted, how much outside pressure it took, and how comparably soft-handed he's being toward Carrier compared to anyone Peez has ever disliked.

#32532

Sunder wrote:
Service Dog wrote:I wonder if even The Space will deem Carrier too radioactive to remain in their fetish scene.

They have no plausible deniability: the first time someone complains about him there is already the umpteenth complaint against him. Liability exposure.
Carrier might as well take his chances with the woo crowd. They're probably not as vicious as the crowd he's leaving.

If he was only in it for the money he should turn evangelic. They love a good atheistic sinner story and lets face it, he got that covered better than anyone. He knows all the arguments and there are more money involved than the A/S scene by an order of magnitude. Bayes theorem is logic-chopping enough to show jesus rose from the dead too. As a bonus, they know a sex Scandal is supposed to be covered up not adverticed.

#32533

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
fuzzy wrote:Over a ISF, a suggestion which Dr. Carrier should consider.

[img.]http://i.imgur.com/WgFgSxg.png[/img]
Not sure he would want all his activities brought to light, and what would he get out of it? The Stollznow retreat didn't materially benefit Radford. None of them have any money, and Carrier would have to rely on sugar mama for funds.

But his honor has been impugned, and he is easily intelligent enough to do most of his own legal work.

#32534

Writer Danusha Goska is proud of this recent Amazon review for the book Save Send Delete:

http://save-send-delete.blogspot.com/20 ... stian.html

I found this part of the book “weak,” but – hey! – if it is real life, and this part seems like real life, then one of the doyens of atheism is a “macher” and a “perv,” which shouldn’t be surprising because notwithstanding the “Mr. Spock” air of logical detachment that they want to exude, we can see in the real life antics of Richard Carrier and Michael Shermer, that at heart, they are still the lonely teenage boys with acne who never got to date the prom queen.

This is an unusual book of apologetics. It is worth reading. It’s also fun, apart from the pervy creep factor of the famous atheist engaging in what looks like “grooming behavior.”

#32535

Billie from Ockham wrote:How many of you are checking the Friendly Atheist at least once an hour, waiting for Hemant Mehta's seal of disapproval? Com'on. 'Fess up.

Nope. Im sure as soon as it happens there will be 3 separate announcements here.

#32536

HunnyBunny wrote:Thanks for the Gumshoe award FT, my Dad always said I'd amount to something someday. 8-)

Lsuoma didn't have anything to do with it. The Gumshoe was bestowed by the independent Awards Committee of which FT is not a member.

#32537

You know, if Carrier does an Avicenna and just disappears, I will miss him. I miss Avi's incredible stories, his imaginary heroism. Carrier's bluster and ego simply have no match. Don't get me wrong, he deserves this for his complicity in other online slander campaigns, but it is very like when a treasured villain dies.

#32538

Really? wrote: Isn't it astounding? Three years ago, he was married to his wife of fifteen years and lived in a house and was scoring tail on the side and made a little money speaking at Skepticon and no one knew he liked semen or free hookers.

Now, he is a self-proclaimed expert in polyamory and lectures on the subject and is waking up beside the heads of Camp Quest and SSA before he heads down to his basement.

Oh well. He's only 46. He has time to recover.

I do wonder what it will take to break through that crust of narcissism that surrounds him and finally cause him to look around himself and think, "What has happened to me?! How have I come to this?"

Its not that I really wish him any ill, its more the fascination of watching a river erode a river bank, wondering when will it finally collapse.

#32539

Some advice Sticky Dicky should have heeded:

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#32540

Really? wrote:Writer Danusha Goska is proud of this recent Amazon review for the book Save Send Delete:

http://save-send-delete.blogspot.com/20 ... stian.html

I found this part of the book “weak,” but – hey! – if it is real life, and this part seems like real life, then one of the doyens of atheism is a “macher” and a “perv,” which shouldn’t be surprising because notwithstanding the “Mr. Spock” air of logical detachment that they want to exude, we can see in the real life antics of Richard Carrier and Michael Shermer, that at heart, they are still the lonely teenage boys with acne who never got to date the prom queen.

This is an unusual book of apologetics. It is worth reading. It’s also fun, apart from the pervy creep factor of the famous atheist engaging in what looks like “grooming behavior.”

Oh, won't Carrier be pleased with the company he is now associated with! And he helped get Shermer that rep too. What's the word I'm looking for...?

#32541

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You know, if Carrier does an Avicenna and just disappears, I will miss him. I miss Avi's incredible stories, his imaginary heroism. Carrier's bluster and ego simply have no match. Don't get me wrong, he deserves this for his complicity in other online slander campaigns, but it is very like when a treasured villain dies.

Carrier is far too narcissistic to just go away. I don't see that happening. He needs the attention so very badly.

#32542

piginthecity wrote:
HunnyBunny wrote:Thanks for the Gumshoe award FT, my Dad always said I'd amount to something someday. 8-)
Lsuoma didn't have anything to do with it. The Gumshoe was bestowed by the independent Awards Committee of which FT is not a member.

:clap: :clap: :dance: :clap:

#32543

Dave wrote:
Really? wrote: Isn't it astounding? Three years ago, he was married to his wife of fifteen years and lived in a house and was scoring tail on the side and made a little money speaking at Skepticon and no one knew he liked semen or free hookers.

Now, he is a self-proclaimed expert in polyamory and lectures on the subject and is waking up beside the heads of Camp Quest and SSA before he heads down to his basement.

Oh well. He's only 46. He has time to recover.
I do wonder what it will take to break through that crust of narcissism that surrounds him and finally cause him to look around himself and think, "What has happened to me?! How have I come to this?"

Its not that I really wish him any ill, its more the fascination of watching a river erode a river bank, wondering when will it finally collapse.

I'm thinking he will leave A/S and start with polyamorous apologetics. More sex, he already believes himself to be an authority on (everything) ethics and it may be the only route left for him that doesn't involve a paper hat and spatula.

#32544

Easy J wrote:On the bright side, McDonalds pays more than $15 grand a year & is staffed with plenty of technically legal aged females.

http://i.imgur.com/ouzExWW.jpg

#32545

johnself wrote:Pz welcomes Jimmy to the pit:

http://i.imgur.com/azcqDgc.jpg

I picture Peez doing a little Trigglypuff arm waving as he types that, been a while since he can get riled up over disagreement and ban someone. Quite the mental picture!

#32546

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Really? wrote:Writer Danusha Goska is proud of this recent Amazon review for the book Save Send Delete:

http://save-send-delete.blogspot.com/20 ... stian.html

I found this part of the book “weak,” but – hey! – if it is real life, and this part seems like real life, then one of the doyens of atheism is a “macher” and a “perv,” which shouldn’t be surprising because notwithstanding the “Mr. Spock” air of logical detachment that they want to exude, we can see in the real life antics of Richard Carrier and Michael Shermer, that at heart, they are still the lonely teenage boys with acne who never got to date the prom queen.

This is an unusual book of apologetics. It is worth reading. It’s also fun, apart from the pervy creep factor of the famous atheist engaging in what looks like “grooming behavior.”
Oh, won't Carrier be pleased with the company he is now associated with! And he helped get Shermer that rep too. What's the word I'm looking for...?

Is it "hilarious"?

Something more German, perhaps?

#32547

Really? wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You know, if Carrier does an Avicenna and just disappears, I will miss him. I miss Avi's incredible stories, his imaginary heroism. Carrier's bluster and ego simply have no match. Don't get me wrong, he deserves this for his complicity in other online slander campaigns, but it is very like when a treasured villain dies.
Carrier is far too narcissistic to just go away. I don't see that happening. He needs the attention so very badly.

Yeah, I've figured it out for him. Hey, Carrier! I know you're reading! Your new career is in the ethics of polyamory. Lots of attention, sex and books to be written. A lifestyle guide, blogs, papers. All yours.

You're welcome.

#32548

Stretchycheese wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Wow. Crowded on the Pit today. Good times.
Brive, it would be great to hear from you on Sargon's channel again. Perhaps you can provide an update there, regarding Carrier?

Well I'm very bashful. But he has my PM.

#32549

Brive1987 wrote:
Stretchycheese wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Wow. Crowded on the Pit today. Good times.
Brive, it would be great to hear from you on Sargon's channel again. Perhaps you can provide an update there, regarding Carrier?
Well I'm very bashful. But he has my PM.

Self-doxxing now, are we?

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#32550

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Really? wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You know, if Carrier does an Avicenna and just disappears, I will miss him. I miss Avi's incredible stories, his imaginary heroism. Carrier's bluster and ego simply have no match. Don't get me wrong, he deserves this for his complicity in other online slander campaigns, but it is very like when a treasured villain dies.
Carrier is far too narcissistic to just go away. I don't see that happening. He needs the attention so very badly.
Yeah, I've figured it out for him. Hey, Carrier! I know you're reading! Your new career is in the ethics of polyamory. Lots of attention, sex and books to be written. A lifestyle guide, blogs, papers. All yours.

You're welcome.

A insightful memoir about how revolutions end up eating their own, from an insider's perspective. Carrier got fucked over by his erstwhile "friends" and the overall zeitgeist (which is, I believe, German for "scary ghost") is turning against the social justice warrior witch hunters' morality. This could be a big seller for Carrier.

Hell, I'd buy it, so long as it wasn't some milquetoast apologetic with pages of sniveling self-justification.

#32551

Carrier deserves capital punishment - but nobody should suffer death by SZvan.

PZ also has a responsibility to resolve his HR issue quickly - leaving Carrier to dangle while waiting for the mob's bloodlust to reach V1 is a disgusting spectical. Disgusting but compulsive viewing. If he had had an ounce of empathy and good governance he would never have opened comments on his "jury's out sucker" post.

#32552

On Turn Back the Clock Tuesday, let's remember the exact equation Carrier used to determine Shermer's guilt:

You can review all there is and draw your own conclusion. This is only my own judgment. But the preponderance of evidence (a civil court burden, whereby a claim need only have a better than 50% chance of being true, so even just a 50.1% chance of being true would win a case) is enough for me to conclude that the general picture is probably true: Shermer pursues sex with women a lot, both one-night stands and ongoing affairs, and he has often enough done so without telling his wife or his various girlfriends. His recent attempt to compel PZ Myers to retract his report of what a witness told him appeared to deny even this (that Shermer has lots of consensual trysts and affairs), which I think is disingenuous at this point.

Sounds familiar?

http://archive.is/BpWbi

#32553

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Andrew, I might be reading you wrong here, but my feeling is you believe Greta is a touch hypocritical?

Of course she is a shameless hypocrite. I believe it would be very difficult to find one that that is not. Bunch of fucked up, twisted, mendacious thugs trying to set themselves up as moral authority over everyone else.

Says something and is simply amazing that a bunch of childish, mean spirited, mentally challenged mob has been allowed to take over without much protest.

#32554

Cnutella wrote:
A insightful memoir about how revolutions end up eating their own, from an insider's perspective. Carrier got fucked over by his erstwhile "friends" and the overall zeitgeist (which is, I believe, German for "scary ghost") is turning against the social justice warrior witch hunters' morality. This could be a big seller for Carrier.

Hell, I'd buy it, so long as it wasn't some milquetoast apologetic with pages of sniveling self-justification.

It's Carrier. It would be endless pages of prolix prose interspersed with Bayesian equations that will make the mathematically inclined wince. He will then have whatever hung-over floozy who is next to him read it so he can claim it was peer reviewed.

#32555

The irony is that if Carrier had raped a woman with her head in the toilet instead of just touching her hair he could have passed it off as a kink.

#32556

Brive1987 wrote:Carrier deserves capital punishment - but nobody should suffer death by SZvan.

PZ also has a responsibility to resolve his HR issue quickly - leaving Carrier to dangle while waiting for the mob's bloodlust to reach V1 is a disgusting spectical. Disgusting but compulsive viewing. If he had had an ounce of empathy and good governance he would never have opened comments on his "jury's out sucker" post.

Only his Alexa ratings will tell him if that was the right call or not.

#32557

dog puke wrote:
Easy J wrote:On the bright side, McDonalds pays more than $15 grand a year & is staffed with plenty of technically legal aged females.
http://i.imgur.com/ouzExWW.jpg

"Sure Dicky. But, er, hold off on the Special Sauce for this one, okay?"

#32558

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You know, if Carrier does an Avicenna and just disappears, I will miss him. I miss Avi's incredible stories, his imaginary heroism. Carrier's bluster and ego simply have no match. Don't get me wrong, he deserves this for his complicity in other online slander campaigns, but it is very like when a treasured villain dies.

This is a good point. It seems as though aside from PZ, all the really interesting villains have been toppled or have abdicated and fallen into irrelevance. Rebecca Watson is pretty much out of the A/S world - she's packing in Skepchickcon at CONvergence, her site has about three readers and all she seems to have left is pot, name-dropping and being sarky on Twitter. Even Zvan isn't a good villain, let alone a super one. She fancies herself as Harley Quinn but really she's a mildly malicious banality who thankfully exiled herself to blogger's Siberia. And who even knows what Ophelia does any more?

Most of the new bloggers on Pharyngula are somewhere between unobjectionable and 'meh'. The Orbit is a celebration of ineffectuality.

"And then Lsuoma wept, for there were no worlds left to conquer."

#32559

Tigzy wrote:
dog puke wrote:
Easy J wrote:On the bright side, McDonalds pays more than $15 grand a year & is staffed with plenty of technically legal aged females.
http://i.imgur.com/ouzExWW.jpg
"Sure Dicky. But, er, hold off on the Special Sauce for this one, okay?"

I see Carrier as more of a barista condescendingly informing you the large coffee you ordered is actually a "venti."

#32560

PZ is the Atheism/Skepticism's Nicolae Ceausescu.

#32561

dog puke wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/ouzExWW.jpg

That's a stunning pair of moobs, front & left. I actually had to look again to make sure they weren't ladyboobs, but the hands tell a different story. Their bra-able proportions may just be a trick of perspective caused by the lens but still, a splendid effort.

#32562

Hahahaa - the commentator Landon, from Zvan's Carrier piece over at the Obit:

If I’ve said anything slymepittish, I’m frankly mortified.

I was positively paralyzed by the idea that I was sounding slymepitty.

http://i.imgur.com/JR9pvey.png
'Mortified!'

#32563

johnself wrote:
Sunder wrote: Carrier might as well take his chances with the woo crowd. They're probably not as vicious as the crowd he's leaving.
If he was only in it for the money he should turn evangelic. They love a good atheistic sinner story and lets face it, he got that covered better than anyone. He knows all the arguments and there are more money involved than the A/S scene by an order of magnitude. Bayes theorem is logic-chopping enough to show jesus rose from the dead too. As a bonus, they know a sex Scandal is supposed to be covered up not adverticed.

He definitely needs to Find Jesus. "Jesus never existed... awwwww sheeeiitt... yes He does!" Now Carrier can make a career of debunking his own previous books! He's uniquely-positioned to do-so, because they suck so bad. He doesn't have to confine himself to serious writing. He could do stand-up comedian preaching... just reading from his own books & trying trying trying/ now failing/ to keep a straight face. The audience would be slap-happy, writhing, & speaking in tongues of joyous laughter.

No need to ghettoize himself with the hardcore churchgoers... the mainstream halfway-lapsed believers to pay to see Jeff Foxworthy, Larry The Cable Guy & Katt Williams-- won't-even mind if he gets a lot of pussy on the side. "I said I believe in Jesus. I never claimed to be the frickin' Pope! :rimshot: Yeesh. No respect, no respect, I tell ya. " I'd click on it.

If Wayne Brady can make Funny Or Die skits with convicted rapist earbiter Mike Tyson, and cocaine-addict Whitney-abuser Bobby Brown... Carrier can res-erect. [youtube]rMFI-8CIu6E[/youtube]

#32564

Cnutella wrote:
dog puke wrote:
[img.]http://i.imgur.com/ouzExWW.jpg[/img]

That's a stunning pair of moobs, front & left. I actually had to look again to make sure they weren't ladyboobs, but the hands tell a different story. Their bra-able proportions may just be a trick of perspective caused by the lens but still, a splendid effort.

Why do you hate Danielle Muscato?

#TransphobiaLivesHere

#32565

Cnutella wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You know, if Carrier does an Avicenna and just disappears, I will miss him. I miss Avi's incredible stories, his imaginary heroism. Carrier's bluster and ego simply have no match. Don't get me wrong, he deserves this for his complicity in other online slander campaigns, but it is very like when a treasured villain dies.
This is a good point. It seems as though aside from PZ, all the really interesting villains have been toppled or have abdicated and fallen into irrelevance. Rebecca Watson is pretty much out of the A/S world - she's packing in Skepchickcon at CONvergence, her site has about three readers and all she seems to have left is pot, name-dropping and being sarky on Twitter. Even Zvan isn't a good villain, let alone a super one. She fancies herself as Harley Quinn but really she's a mildly malicious banality who thankfully exiled herself to blogger's Siberia. And who even knows what Ophelia does any more?

Most of the new bloggers on Pharyngula are somewhere between unobjectionable and 'meh'. The Orbit is a celebration of ineffectuality.

"And then Lsuoma wept, for there were no worlds left to conquer."

This really does feel like the endgame, doesn't it?

Perhaps moreso for me as Carrier's Atheism + post is what brought me here to begin with. I don't know if the pit will be the same anymore. The war is over :dance:

#32566

It would be irresponsible to publicize second-hand stories about sexual harassment, says Greta Christina over at Myers' place.

In addition to what many others have said to jimmyfromchicago @ #3, I’ll add this: I am part of the whisper network. I’ve known for months about some of the stories about Carrier (although I didn’t know the worst ones until recently). But until people were willing to make their complaints public, there was very little I could do. When victims tell me their stories, I have to respect their confidentiality. It would be a huge violation of trust if I did otherwise. And when I hear stories second-hand, even when I hear multiple second-hand stories from highly trustworthy sources, it would be irresponsible to publicize them.

It’s a terrible situation. I know a lot of these stories about a lot of people, and I know that not making them public means putting people in danger. The whisper network is a shitty solution. A much better solution is listening, believing, supporting, and amplifying the people who do speak out publicly, and who boost the signal of the people speaking out. When you attack these people for not doing it in exactly the same way and at exactly the same time you think you would have, you’re not part of the solution. You’re part of the problem. You’re one of the reasons people are afraid to speak out.

http://archive.is/07nUA

#32567

jimmyfromchicago wrote:I see Carrier as more of a barista condescendingly informing you the large coffee you ordered is actually a "venti."

Maybe he could try farming? I hear it's quite lucrative...

[youtube]_pDTiFkXgEE[/youtube]

#32568

Tigzy wrote:Hahahaa - the commentator Landon, from Zvan's Carrier piece over at the Obit:

If I’ve said anything slymepittish, I’m frankly mortified.

I was positively paralyzed by the idea that I was sounding slymepitty.

http://i.imgur.com/JR9pvey.png
'Mortified!'

Haha. Great stuff. I fucking hate people and their polite pretense.

One of my favorite phrases lately has been "Politeness is the cheapest of virtues." You can tell when someone really has nothing of consequence in their head when they resort to attacking you on your tone.

My sister-in-law wrote that she was "speechless" in reply to one of my tardbook posts. I said "Speechless? If you were speechless you wouldn't be able to post. You are not speechless." Pull up the fainting couch you silly bag.

#32569

jet_lagg wrote:
Cnutella wrote:
"And then Lsuoma wept, for there were no worlds left to conquer."
This really does feel like the endgame, doesn't it?

Perhaps moreso for me as Carrier's Atheism + post is what brought me here to begin with. I don't know if the pit will be the same anymore. The war is over :dance:

In honor of this great victory I think we need a quick blast of the Dick Carrier anthem.

[youtube]UrxsNmitc_Y[/youtube]

"Dick's a free spirit
And you can't restrain it
No, you just can't chain it down"

#32570

Dick Strawkins wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:
Cnutella wrote:
"And then Lsuoma wept, for there were no worlds left to conquer."
This really does feel like the endgame, doesn't it?

Perhaps moreso for me as Carrier's Atheism + post is what brought me here to begin with. I don't know if the pit will be the same anymore. The war is over :dance:
In honor of this great victory I think we need a quick blast of the Dick Carrier anthem.

[youtube]UrxsNmitc_Y[/youtube]

"Dick's a free spirit
And you can't restrain it
No, you just can't chain it down"

I don't think of it as victory, maybe not even the endgame. FtB are in tatters, The Orbit is decaying but some of the so-called social justice tropes are fucking with academia down to the preschool level, and the media gets more baboonish by the day. It's like fighting a hydra, cut off one head and you've soon got more.

#32571

jimmyfromchicago wrote:I see Carrier as more of a barista condescendingly informing you the large coffee you ordered is actually a "venti."

... whose homophone "venty", as PZ will tell you, an adjective descriptive of a fish hole.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o-9RDaRTKG8/T ... gender.jpg

#32572

Billie from Ockham wrote:How many of you are checking the Friendly Atheist at least once an hour, waiting for Hemant Mehta's seal of disapproval? Com'on. 'Fess up.

If and when he does, dollars to donuts sez he lets the slag and the cuck off the hook.

#32573

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I don't think of it as victory, maybe not even the endgame. FtB are in tatters, The Orbit is decaying but some of the so-called social justice tropes are fucking with academia down to the preschool level, and the media gets more baboonish by the day. It's like fighting a hydra, cut off one head and you've soon got more.

I agree with you. This shit really buried itself in the culture. The only comfort is that rank-and-file people weren't fighting back about this stuff a decade ago. "Oh, you want a new anti-rape law? Okay. Oh, you believe Black Lives Matter? I agree!" Today, it's not common in the mainstream media, but people are pushing back. "You're talking about stare rape, right? Go fuck yourselves. Yes, Black Lives Matter, but you can't grab for an officer's gun and then be surprised when you got shot. Really, guy who's protesting? Your dad has tens of millions of dollars."

#32574

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I don't think of it as victory, maybe not even the endgame. FtB are in tatters, The Orbit is decaying but some of the so-called social justice tropes are fucking with academia down to the preschool level, and the media gets more baboonish by the day. It's like fighting a hydra, cut off one head and you've soon got more.

I always saw people as needing a certain personality type to join the pit, or gamergate, or the sad/rabid puppies forum (do they have one?). The sort of person who, after being mocked by an engineer for pointing out a fatal flaw in their bridge design, would set up a lawn chair and umbrella at the roadside, watching this person drive back and forth on their way to and from work. Watching. Watching. For years. Until the bridge finally collapses, at which point they fold up their chair, walk to the wreckage to shout "HA!", and head home.

For me this might be that moment.

#32575

jet_lagg wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I don't think of it as victory, maybe not even the endgame. FtB are in tatters, The Orbit is decaying but some of the so-called social justice tropes are fucking with academia down to the preschool level, and the media gets more baboonish by the day. It's like fighting a hydra, cut off one head and you've soon got more.
I always saw people as needing a certain personality type to join the pit, or gamergate, or the sad/rabid puppies forum (do they have one?). The sort of person who, after being mocked by an engineer for pointing out a fatal flaw in their bridge design, would set up a lawn chair and umbrella at the roadside, watching this person drive back and forth on their way to and from work. Watching. Watching. For years. Until the bridge finally collapses, at which point they fold up their chair, walk to the wreckage to shout "HA!", and head home.

For me this might be that moment.

Don't go! There are plenty more lulz!

#32576

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I don't think of it as victory, maybe not even the endgame. FtB are in tatters, The Orbit is decaying but some of the so-called social justice tropes are fucking with academia down to the preschool level, and the media gets more baboonish by the day. It's like fighting a hydra, cut off one head and you've soon got more.

I don't think the war is over. Far from it.
Post-modernist regressiveness still has a lot of power.
But one battle in the overall war, that involving the 'Intellectual Artillery' of Atheism Plus, has come to it's inevitable conclusion.

#32577

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:How many of you are checking the Friendly Atheist at least once an hour, waiting for Hemant Mehta's seal of disapproval? Com'on. 'Fess up.
If and when he does, dollars to donuts sez he lets the slag and the cuck off the hook.

Yeah. I'm waiting with bated breath for SSA to step up and make their bold pronouncement. Whatever you may think of Carrier's actual guilt as far as harassment, remember that this organization played semantics with the rules so that Carrier could bang students. They were aware of his activities, yet somehow failed to let other chapters aware of his problematic status. Does the head of the org really not have any say in who gets to be a speaker? No influence at all? How strang Carrier was still getting gigs while off the speaker's bureau. While he was banging the wife of the organization. Quite the coincidence.

Even letting him speak in the first place when he openly brags about fucking students. What kind of professional organization does this? It's like hiring the blog owner of Necrophilia Now for the night shift at the morgue.

#32578

Gumby wrote:Fuck. First post in over a month and ninja'd by Kirbmarc.

*crawls back into hole*

Gumbers! Hope all is well with you.

#32579

Really? wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I don't think of it as victory, maybe not even the endgame. FtB are in tatters, The Orbit is decaying but some of the so-called social justice tropes are fucking with academia down to the preschool level, and the media gets more baboonish by the day. It's like fighting a hydra, cut off one head and you've soon got more.
I always saw people as needing a certain personality type to join the pit, or gamergate, or the sad/rabid puppies forum (do they have one?). The sort of person who, after being mocked by an engineer for pointing out a fatal flaw in their bridge design, would set up a lawn chair and umbrella at the roadside, watching this person drive back and forth on their way to and from work. Watching. Watching. For years. Until the bridge finally collapses, at which point they fold up their chair, walk to the wreckage to shout "HA!", and head home.

For me this might be that moment.
Don't go! There are plenty more lulz!

Yeah, I have a suspicion that Carrier might have a lulz or two left in him.

#32580

OK, bets for who is next for the perpetually ravenous, witch-hunting mob.

Dave Silverman perhaps?

Dr Ashley Miller might have an opinion on that.
Interesting comment from Carrier in this one - especially as it shows that the FTB in-crowd were clearly aware of his attitude towards relationships with young students.

http://i.imgur.com/6Rr0RtX.jpg

Where is Special Ed Snowden when we really need him?