The Refuge of the Toads

[Lsuoma]

Just watching a report on the machinations of the Labour Party tearing itself apart, the leader Jeremy Corbyn has lost a vote of no confidence by around 170-40, so the fellow MP's want him gone yesterday, but the actual party members voted him in by a large margin not 12 months ago. Looks like a leadership election will follow, there's talk of a split and all sorts. It's interesting to see the reaction of millennial activists to unfavourable results, this is a generation that is used to getting it's way, and some of the behaviour reminds me of childish tantrums. I've seen this in the Brexit debate too, from remainers.

Interesting times in the UK right now.

You lose a vote of no confidence by 170-40 and you don't go!

Corbyn is certifiably insane.

As Oglebart points out, though, it's the MPs (who hate Corbyn, by and large) who have no confidenced him. The party members are much more supportive of him. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain by sticking it out. A lot of the rank-and-file feel (and have been) ass-rammed by the Parliamentary Labour Party for around two decades now, and would love to see them getting F'ed in the A.

[Ericb]

Just watching a report on the machinations of the Labour Party tearing itself apart, the leader Jeremy Corbyn has lost a vote of no confidence by around 170-40, so the fellow MP's want him gone yesterday, but the actual party members voted him in by a large margin not 12 months ago. Looks like a leadership election will follow, there's talk of a split and all sorts. It's interesting to see the reaction of millennial activists to unfavourable results, this is a generation that is used to getting it's way, and some of the behaviour reminds me of childish tantrums. I've seen this in the Brexit debate too, from remainers.

Interesting times in the UK right now.

You lose a vote of no confidence by 170-40 and you don't go!

Corbyn is certifiably insane.

As Oglebart points out, though, it's the MPs (who hate Corbyn, by and large) who have no confidenced him. The party members are much more supportive of him. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain by sticking it out. A lot of the rank-and-file feel (and have been) ass-rammed by the Parliamentary Labour Party for around two decades now, and would love to see them getting F'ed in the A.

It's like a mirror image of what's happening in the US with the Republicans and Trump.

[Søren Lilholt]

Yeah, I checked in on her Patreon a couple of days ago and she's up about $42 on the previous month, and her Twitter followers are also up. The only thing she seems to be doing differently is a lot more focus on Twitch gaming livestreams. Gamer grrls are still a valued commodity on Twitch, so I guess this must be where the extra venue/attention is coming from. Becky is nothing if not calculating and I think she realizes her glory days in A/S are far behind her, so she may be moving on to fresher fields. However, I suspect that as long as there is some revenue to be made from A/S ivia Skepchick and Patreon donors, we're not completely rid of her.

I don't know if I'd count on Twitch as a long term revenue stream but if it means less Becky in Atheism then good luck to her, I guess.

SSDD

[youtube]LhFqKe42UcI[/youtube]

http://i.imgur.com/94pmoiT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8GO4EIo.jpg

A retarded SJW cunt and their money are easily parted.

[SM12]

As Oglebart points out, though, it's the MPs (who hate Corbyn, by and large) who have no confidenced him. The party members are much more supportive of him. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain by sticking it out. A lot of the rank-and-file feel (and have been) ass-rammed by the Parliamentary Labour Party for around two decades now, and would love to see them getting F'ed in the A.

Corbyn is the UK's Trump.

The establishment in his party don't like him, but enough party members vote for him.

[Tigzy]

Brony has a blog! http://freethoughtblogs.com/primateches ... ce-myself/

Not unexpectedly, his first post is fucking huge and interminably dull.

There's been another crop of new blogs at FTB in the past few days, including something called, 'Aged Reasoner: Common Sense For Now People', whatever the fuck that means.

Nothing there at the moment, but the loopiness of the title makes me suspect - okay, hope - that it's Nerd of Redhead. Please god, let it be so.

[Dave]

Ha ha, #HeteroSexualPrideDay is flooded by people complaining about how outrageous it is that they saw #HeteroSexualPrideDay trending on Twitter. Thwt's some OT8-level metatrolling right there.

Im reminded of the Starbucks holiday cups:

https://i.imgflip.com/u3tq3.png

[MarcusAu]

....
I'm interested in seeing what's going to be the fallout from the attack in Constantinople
...

[youtube]rNUsOaB5V2c[/youtube]

[gurugeorge]

My humble opinion is that the best way to fight in-group morality and out-group hostility is to cease treating people as parts of groups when you make moral choices. There's already a standard for implementing this "individual" morality: the Mill rule about acceptance of all different lifestyles and choices as long as they don't cause harm.

Great stuff. It's pretty clear to me that the essence of liberalism is that it's kind of experimental rather than dogmatic, and it's experimental in the sense of, "What happens if we treat people as individuals first and foremost (as opposed to members of groups first and foremost) and as innocent until proven guilty". If we do that, we've got more chance of discovering what the Good Life is (since it's not something we have a hotline to from the beginning, which is what religions, dogmas and ideologies pretend they have).

i.e. I think the core idea is something similar to inertia in physics and arose at roundabout the same time - like a deep meme that arose in different areas (Lefties used to twit this idea as "atomism", and to some extent they're right, but I think it's a badge of glory rather than some silly thing - after all atoms naturally form molecules, which form things, they don't all just zing about inanely in a void). The idea being that a human being is a self-steering entity with its own interests and plans, and that momentum is what its fundamental dignity consists in. The burden of justification, then, is on the one who would break that momentum, interfere, nudge off course, etc., etc., and the sole justification for such interference is harm. It's in the "harm" proviso where all the meat of discussion is, because that obviously changes with changing technology, and deepening understanding of the ramifications of the core principlea in various detailed, nitty-gritty circumstances (Common Law), so the question is always alive and always up for debate and revision.

So long as liberalism sticks to this individualistic core, it's all good, there's elbow room, there's room for political compromise, there's room for discovery of the good, for amelioration of our condition, for improvement, and flourishing.

That leaves plenty of room for Right-tinged and Left-tinged forms of liberalism - the one more concerned with maintaining the core commitment to this "negative" sense of rights, the other more concerned with seeing what can be done in a positive sense to improve society, especially the lot of the less fortunate (because it all boils down to luck, essentially - talent, charisma, looks, energy, focus, intelligence, etc., etc., they're all a lottery, but they're all the things that, given a co-operative/competitive society to harness them, bring progress for individuals qua individuals, and for everyone collectively), but while still being consistent with the core principles.

Really, in the light of future history, I think people will see that the last century and a bit have just been a blip where the Left-tinged form of liberalism went off on a tangent into a dead-end, the dead end of socialism, dirigisme, collectivism, etc. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but the pursuit of equality of result inevitably broke the core commitment to equality of treatment, and gave a wedge to quasi-religious ideological thinking to enter into, and corrupt, liberalism.

As a curious aside, Sharia is actually not too distant from liberalism in that sense - in the sense of "everything not specifically forbidden is permitted", i.e. you don't need permission to do your thing. But other aspects of Islam swamped that signal (i.e. the "things that are forbidden" turns into a vast list of stupid minutiae based on sockpuppetry re. what Mohammed said and did, that ends up being highly restrictive). Still, one can envision a future Islam that's been gentled down like Judaism and Christianity have been, that might actually, oddly enough, be quite well aligned with liberalism. They just have to ditch the "it's 100% God's word" thing, then we can all get along nicely, with lots of social colour and variety.

[Oglebart]

Is there any parliamentary procedural reason why Cameron is not stepping down until October? Why wait so long?

He doesn't have to step down. Even in October. As has been pointed out, he doesn't even need to invoke Clause 50. I think he's hoping that he can temporize long enough for it all to go quiet, and then he'll claim he saved the UK and the EU. He has nothing to lose at this stage.

Just in case you didn't know this, the Conservative Party has the leadership election process underway, nominations to be in by 12pm tomorrow, looks like a shootout between Boris and the Home Secretary Theresa May. So, no chance of Cameron staying on, he's toast.

[Tigzy]

Farage

Falange

[Dave]

Farage

Falange

Fellate

:whistle:

[Cnutella]

Fellaytio fellahtio. Just son long as it isn't Greek

[Billie from Ockham]

Less than a week later, with the stock markets fully recovered from the Brexit scare, see if you can spot how the BBC World Service is being slightly less alarmist:

There are indications that might suggest that some companies are thinking about moving at least some of their operations abroad.

[Lsuoma]

Farage

Falange

Fellate

:whistle:

Gefan.

[Lsuoma]

Less than a week later, with the stock markets fully recovered from the Brexit scare, see if you can spot how the BBC World Service is being slightly less alarmist:

There are indications that might suggest that some companies are thinking about moving at least some of their operations abroad.

Ford Prefect: And no sneaky knocking Mr. Dent's house down while he's away, all right?
Prosser: The slightest thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind.

[Aneris]

Ha ha, #HeteroSexualPrideDay is flooded by people complaining about how outrageous it is that they saw #HeteroSexualPrideDay trending on Twitter. Thwt's some OT8-level metatrolling right there.

Im reminded of the Starbucks holiday cups:

https://i.imgflip.com/u3tq3.png

Excellent. Captures the contemporary manufactuversies well.

[Dave]

Less than a week later, with the stock markets fully recovered from the Brexit scare, see if you can spot how the BBC World Service is being slightly less alarmist:

There are indications that might suggest that some companies are thinking about moving at least some of their operations abroad.

Shrug. I expect more than just some. It would be gross mismanagement for a company that does significant business in Europe not to make contingency plans for the possible loss of access to the single market given the vote. Not sure that "indications that might suggest that some companies are thinking about" anything is news worthy, though. Id also note that at least part of the FTSE rally of the past two days has been driven by the weak Pound.

[German StrutBoatsman]

I know you're not living in the UK, but for how long can he or his successor resist the pressure from the "Leave"-voters?

Voters can be swayed between elections. Money wants to know what's the case. Frankfurt and London Stock Exchanges are merging and initially settled to localize in London. Wide open now. BMW wants to know how to its investments in the UK will pay off before any more investments will be spent. Why should anyone who wants to bring a product to the EU market invest money in Britain if he doesn't know what kind of access into the EU he can get from there?
Being in the dark about which trade deals will exist five years from now will hurt the UK way more than the EU.

[RonSwanson]

It's interesting to see the reaction of millennial activists to unfavourable results, this is a generation that is used to getting it's way, and some of the behaviour reminds me of childish tantrums.

Speaking of Generation Snowflakes:

I was fired from my internship for writing a proposal for a more flexible dress code
http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-wa ... -code.html

We accompanied the proposal with a petition, signed by all of the interns (except for one who declined to sign it) and gave it to our managers to consider. Our proposal requested that we also be allowed to wear running shoes and non leather flats, as well as sandals (not flip-flops though) and other non-dress shoes that would fit under a more business casual dress code. It was mostly about the footwear, but we also incorporated a request that we not have to wear suits and/or blazers in favor of a more casual, but still professional dress code.

The next day, all of us who signed the petition were called into a meeting where we thought our proposal would be discussed. Instead, we were informed that due to our “unprofessional” behavior, we were being let go from our internships. We were told to hand in our ID badges and to gather our things and leave the property ASAP.

We were shocked. The proposal was written professionally like examples I have learned about in school, and our arguments were thought out and well-reasoned. We weren’t even given a chance to discuss it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Read the whole thing and the response of the advice columnist for some cringe plus some healthy dose of schadenfreude.

[Oglebart]

I do hope that Armando Ianucci is going to use this political turmoil as inspiration for a new "In The Thick Of It" I'd love to see Malcolm Tuckers' take on things!

[Cnutella]

....
I'm interested in seeing what's going to be the fallout from the attack in Constantinople
...

[youtube]rNUsOaB5V2c[/youtube]

The Renaissance?

[Oglebart]

Speaking of Generation Snowflakes:

I was fired from my internship for writing a proposal for a more flexible dress code
http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-wa ... -code.html

Read the whole thing and the response of the advice columnist for some cringe plus some healthy dose of schadenfreude.

Ha, that's good. Thanks for posting, That's just the type of attitude I meant. It's everywhere.

[Brive1987]

Since I'm in something of a good mood, I fell like posing a question we haven't discussed.

Based upon the current information that we have, this seems to be the loose timeline:

[*]Carrier goes to Arizona, meets Amy. Allegedly touches her arm and leg. Amy notifies SSA at some point in the next couple weeks.

[*]Carrier goes to Ohio and touches some girl's hair, to which he later confesses.

[*]SSA informs Carrier that he has sinned against a woman. He offers apology, thinking it is Ohio girl. SSA is talking about Amy.

[*]Carrier has his confession post peer-reviewed by SSA and Amy, Amy says it sounds like he's making himself a martyr, but whatever.

[*]SSA proudly announces that Amy has been awarded an SSA scholarship/travel, etc. I forget the words, but they mention "additional sources" of funding or something like that.

[*]Both Amy and Carrier are at SSA Con in Ohio. SSA tells Carrier the complainant is around. That's when Carrier discovers he confessed about the wrong girl. Carrier says he gave Amy a wide berth.

Questions:

Does it seem like the scholarship was hush money? If so,

How wrong is that on SSA's part?

How wrong is that on Amy's part?

If Amy accepted the apology and cash and prizes, was it wrong of her to make the post that toppled Dick's dominos? Where I come from, if someone gives you money to shut you up, you keep your mouth shut.

One thing for sure: things don't add up.

Do we have a confirmed date for when Amy received the scholarship?

Sounds like Dicky is still confusing Amy with the other girl he creeped out. We can safely assume that Dicky creeps out a lot of women, so he may be confusing several.

Did Augie & Amanda make some kind of private assurance to Amy that Dicky would no longer have any interaction with their siamese twin orgs? That seems the likely reason Amy reacted so vehemently to Dicky's CQ employment announcement.

It's hard not to see the scholarship to Amy as hush money. This looks really bad, especially coupled with how Augie & Amanda repeatedly used their positions & influence to toss their boyfriend paying gigs -- at SSA events, at local A/S groups, and surely at The Space. I have no doubt that Dicky was going to be given a paying job at CQ, a deal consummated in the bed of a Motel 6.

:cdc:

These are the two posts I found rep the scholarship.

http://i.imgur.com/PCS1Yrv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tJ2FCGj.jpg

I would assume that she wouldn't have been going (or be eligible for a leadership grant) until she became a leader.

The elections were announced on the 14th April. She was president no later than the 27th when she setup the gofundme. Her complaint was communicated to Carrier in the meantime on the 21st. I'd assume this represented her gaining the status of president - and giving her confidence to complain.

So I'd say the eligibility for the scholarship, her presidency and the complaint all happened together with the money actually being awarded in the immediate aftermath of her action.

[Bourne Skeptic]

Why police were called to a South Jersey third-grade class party

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/ ... ?mobi=true

What can you say? :roll:

[screwtape]

As Oglebart points out, though, it's the MPs (who hate Corbyn, by and large) who have no confidenced him. The party members are much more supportive of him. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain by sticking it out. A lot of the rank-and-file feel (and have been) ass-rammed by the Parliamentary Labour Party for around two decades now, and would love to see them getting F'ed in the A.

Corbyn is the UK's Trump.

The establishment in his party don't like him, but enough party members vote for him.

But this might be the only way he resembles Trump. I'll confess to having a soft spot for extreme leftists, though we are not talking about social Marxism here, nor the regressive left as currently defined, but good old fashioned command-economy socialists. Much as we laugh at the idea these days, I grew up under a regime of nationalised transportation and major industries (rail, road, mail, electricity, gas, steel, coal, telephones, education and health care) and it worked surprisingly well. That will be a statement that many will argue with these days, but it it true that it worked, and those who argue weren't there at the time. Very few got super-rich, but the masses were pretty well cared for. It ended when Margaret Thatcher decided she could win votes by allowing individuals who wanted more to have a way of getting there. It worked for her and it worked for the said individuals. It didn't work for the rest of the lumpen proletariat. And so we have the kind of mixed economy mess that fails to provide basic services like proper education, in turn leading to the lunacy of Brexit. I have every sympathy with those who hate some anonymous European bureaucrat telling them they may not call their bitter 'beer' (which is made in Germany), their fermented grape juice 'wine' (which obviously comes from France), nor their Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate (which can only be made by Belgian virgins in Brussels). This kind of thing is utter nonsense and has resulted in a desire to leave. The immigration question in the UK goes back way before what was then known as the Common Market, and is, sadly, based in racism against, initially, West Indians, then those from the sub-continent. That ought to have been sorted out as a matter of policy in the early sixties, but Macmillan and Wilson failed to see far enough into the future to do anything about it.

Corbyn is the kind of leftist demagogue who has no practical experience, but says all the things that the loony left has required for years. He not only resembles the idiots who ran for and gained office in the National Union of Students in the seventies, but is probably one of those people who has failed to grow out of his student politician persona. Support for Palestinians killing Israelis is a good marker for this kind of mindset. You would never have caught Clement Attlee making such a fool of himself, and I have to say that, as mild and bland as Attlee was, he actually had one of the most radical agendas of the twentieth century that was actually implemented and succeeded. Like everyone else, I always felt it was a shame that my countrymen threw out Churchill in the '45 election, but what happened afterwards proves me wrong: Attlee was a very quiet kind of visionary who came up with the real deal. One which worked for a country impoverished by war, stripped of assets by her allies, and forced to give away an empire. Sad times in some ways, but also good times in others. I'm being side-tracked. Corbyn, to get back to my point, is a one man protest vote. Just like many of those who voted 'Leave' are now expressing regret, as they didn't mean it and just wanted to make a point etc, support for Corbyn is simply a demonstration of non-support for the previous Labour leadership. After all, what the fuck could Tony Blair ever have to do with the Labour Party as we know and love it? A rich wanker who moved in to use it as an opportunity for personal power, and nothing more (especially as he proved to be like the reed in Æsop's fable, willing to bend to any wind and say whatever might mean short term popularity). The fact that Corbyn was only put forward a candidate in the last leadership election as a ruse which backfired and led to his election is something that ought to be corrected as soon as possible. I'd go along with his economic ideas if he didn't have all the stupid baggage that comes as part of the package, and also if he were actually a man of conviction rather than one who simply recites what is required.

It's getting hard for those of us who would like to see a proper socialist experiment succeed. In Canada, the Conservatives are the party who borrow and spend to the most profligate degree, and the NDP (theoretically the reddest party) who are the most fiscally responsible. I assume that is because they generally have little experience of power and are horrified when they examine the books of the outgoing government, and being well-intentioned they set about balancing those books rather than bringing about the socialist utopia of Ontario or workers' paradise of Alberta. All the fuckers ever did in Nova Scotia was to destroy public health care. I was always willing to pay high tax rates to provide the society I wanted to live in, but there are no parties or candidates any more who would do what I would prefer. Sod it: I always knew it was possible to live too long, but I didn't expect it to be true at my tender age.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Fellaytio fellahtio. Just son long as it isn't Greek

That's a song, right?

You say fellaytio/
I say suck my dick/
Let's call the whole thing off!

[Aneris]

Less than a week later, with the stock markets fully recovered from the Brexit scare, see if you can spot how the BBC World Service is being slightly less alarmist:

There are indications that might suggest that some companies are thinking about moving at least some of their operations abroad.

Ford Prefect: And no sneaky knocking Mr. Dent's house down while he's away, all right?
Prosser: The slightest thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind.

The British pound fell more than 10 percent on Thursday night, reaching $1.34 per pound, after midnight Eastern time, a stunning decline for a rich country's currency in a single day

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... -collapse/

Current: 1 British pound = 1.3428 US Dollars
To check quickly

The recovery is tiny.

No longer being on the historical low is victory for Brexiters now, I guess. Alternatively, you may take the Sargon of Akkad route of focusing on strawman and minor side theatres to not face the facts. Or how about cherrypicking. Some markets will gain eventually. And this is just the decision to Brexit. There will be similar events. Triggering Article 50 probably will have some effect, too, and then there's a third event down the road when the separation becomes official. At least psychologically, these events are primed to be further kick downs for the UK. You need massive spin to pretend any of this was a good sign.

Granted, many people believed the lies and halftruths of Farage and others. The fantastic myth how Merkel let refugees into Europe (hint: Germany doesn't have a EU border, Merkel's statements are as chancellor of Germany, and Brits aren't in the Schengen Area); or the lie of the £350 million/week money. The number is not even true. Both of these fantastic stories are even more bizarre when you consider what kind of people told them. Right wingers care for the NHS? Farage and right wingers are having problems with austerity politics? Wait, when did that happen?

Brexiters should check back with reality soon and acknowledge that it did not went well so far. And when things look better some day, it can be discussed whether the decision to Brexit was a good one in the long run. Maybe. But with the sheer irrationality and delusions that can be witnessed, it is probably hopeless, since nobody commits on any date or criteria (or picks one that looks promising). People delude themselves where a "return to normal" is even sold as a great victory. But that could mean anything, since factually nothing has happened yet. For example the German Dax also took a Brexit-dent and is now slowly recovering too. Analysits say this is because the markets return to normal since the Britains are cowards and don't want to trigger Art 50 (because, newsflash, it doesn't look like a good idea).

[KiwiInOz]

Don't read the following tweets from that if you like your blood pressure low.

It's like watching feminist, lesbian porn. Ewwwwww. :shock:

Is that where they just snuggle, or CosPlay at being CEO?

[Tigzy]

Just like many of those who voted 'Leave' are now expressing regret, as they didn't mean it and just wanted to make a point etc,

Reports of Leave Regret have been greatly exaggerated: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05116.html

Of the 17.4 million people who voted Leave, 1.1 million now say they wish they had not, if the results of a Survation poll are to be believed.

1.1 million. Sounds a lot. But out of 17.4 million...well, maybe not. Besides:

Despite Leave just winning the referendum, an equivalent of 696,000 people apparently wish they had lent their support to the victorious side.

All this talk of voter regret amounts to about the fattest big fat nothing you can imagine.

[fuzzy]

[quiee="LouSoma"]

Farage

>>>Falange

>>>Fellate

>>> :whistle:[/quite]
Gefan.

Hopefully Gemmer will be along soon with ono of his Clownfall vids for Carrier.. :violence-torch: :violence-telefrag:

[Michael J]

So I'm getting the impression that Brexit is never going to happen. It sounds like the strategy is to delay, delay, delay, renegotiate a couple of minor terms with the EU that can be paraded as major concessions, then... a second vote? Declare the first vote invalid because of some made up technicality? Help me out here Brits.

That's what the pols want. That, however, will only make the divide worse and cause many serious problems down the road.

Ignoring the expressed will of the population has happened In Ireland, Denmark, Greece, and now the UK is trying it on.

This will not end well...

The problem is that people and businesses aren't going to wait - I think that half of the financial markets reaction was Brexit and the other half was the realisation that no one had a plan on what to do. Instead of sour grapes Cameron should have pulled the trigger and be busy negotiating the best outcome for Britain.

If the government reneges on Brexit, I think that there will be riots in the street

[German StrutBoatsman]

I have every sympathy with those who hate some anonymous European bureaucrat telling them they may not call their bitter 'beer' (which is made in Germany), their fermented grape juice 'wine' (which obviously comes from France), nor their Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate (which can only be made by Belgian virgins in Brussels).

Don't blame the EU when it was your fucking idea/you were fine implementing it. There's a reason you can't call your brandy Cognac or your sparkling wine Champagne: (*)

Germany undertakes to adopt all the necessary legislative and administrative measures to protect goods the produce or manufacture of any one of the Allied and Associated Powers from all forms of unfair competition in commercial transactions.

Germany undertakes to prohibit and repress by seizure and by other appropriate remedies the importation, exportation, manufacture, distribution, sale or offering for sale in its territory of all goods bearing upon themselves or their usual get-up or wrappings any marks, names, devices, or description whatsoever which are calculated to convey directly or indirectly a false indication of the origin, type, nature, or special characteristics of such goods.

Article 274, Treaty of Versailles

Just saying. We hated Versailles when you still thought it was cool.



(*) rules do not apply to the US

[Beleth]

Jesus fuck, this child fucking witchhunt is becoming unbearable.

Agreed. Trying to turn a statement of "I didn't boink anyone underage" into an admission of boinking someone underage is a tactic worthy of A+ers, not of the people here.

[jet_lagg]

Literally nobody has accused Carrier of boinking someone underage...

[Dave]

Just like many of those who voted 'Leave' are now expressing regret, as they didn't mean it and just wanted to make a point etc,

Reports of Leave Regret have been greatly exaggerated: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05116.html

Of the 17.4 million people who voted Leave, 1.1 million now say they wish they had not, if the results of a Survation poll are to be believed.

1.1 million. Sounds a lot. But out of 17.4 million...well, maybe not. Besides:

Err thats a bit over 6%. Enough to make a difference in which side wins.

Despite Leave just winning the referendum, an equivalent of 696,000 people apparently wish they had lent their support to the victorious side.

This of course is a point, one does have to factor in both credits and debits.

[Oglebart]

A good write up that I saw over at KIwi Farms about a backer of Brianna Wu's Kickstarter that has become fed up at the endless waiting for her game to be released on Steam.



Where's the fucking game Wu?? :mrgreen:

[Bourne Skeptic]

Literally nobody has accused Carrier of boinking someone underage...

[youtube]AGrvQ1c5khU[/youtube]

[KiwiInOz]

Literally nobody has accused Carrier of boinking someone underage...

Figuratively, on the other hand ...

[Gumby]

Where's the fucking game Wu?? :mrgreen:

Wu's just waiting for Heina Dadabuoy to finish writing the instructions.

[free thoughtpolice]

Jesus fuck, this child fucking witchhunt is becoming unbearable.

Agreed. Trying to turn a statement of "I didn't boink anyone underage" into an admission of boinking someone underage is a tactic worthy of A+ers, not of the people here.

Who said that? If you can quote someone saying that I'm on board with calling bullshit.
From what I've seen here it is mainly people quoting Carrier's own words that he would be fine with"dating" women as long as they were legal age and D6mi8n saying that he meant legal age in California so Dimion knows that he wouldn't be going by Ohio law even though he has moved there.

[Tigzy]

Just like many of those who voted 'Leave' are now expressing regret, as they didn't mean it and just wanted to make a point etc,

Reports of Leave Regret have been greatly exaggerated: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05116.html

Of the 17.4 million people who voted Leave, 1.1 million now say they wish they had not, if the results of a Survation poll are to be believed.

1.1 million. Sounds a lot. But out of 17.4 million...well, maybe not. Besides:

Err thats a bit over 6%. Enough to make a difference in which side wins.

Despite Leave just winning the referendum, an equivalent of 696,000 people apparently wish they had lent their support to the victorious side.

This of course is a point, one does have to factor in both credits and debits.

Indeed. But I'll venture that 6% is hardly 'many'. Here, again, is what I was replying to:

Just like many of those who voted 'Leave' are now expressing regret

Also, even without factoring those with 'Remain regret', 1.1 million still wouldn't have been quite enough to swing the margin of 1,269,501 votes - though admittedly the 1.1 million figure here cannot be that precise, given that it comes from a sample. Even so, no - not many Leave voters have much in the way of regret at all.

[Bhurzum]

Check this out!

Props, young sir, mad props!

[CommanderTuvok]

Jesus fuck, this child fucking witchhunt is becoming unbearable.

Agreed. Trying to turn a statement of "I didn't boink anyone underage" into an admission of boinking someone underage is a tactic worthy of A+ers, not of the people here.

If you hold Carrier up to the standards of the SJWs and regressive left, he is indeed a convicted, cishet, child rapist. Oh, and he skins puppies, as well.*

*That last bit is actually true, from what I've heard.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Statements of fact:
* In the US, college undergrads are aged 18-21.

* Camp Quest counselors are aged 18 and up, but camp counselors are usually in their early 20's.

* Camp Quest campers are aged 8 - 17.

* Dicky has bragged about 'dating' college women he's met via his speaking engagements.

* Dicky has stated that in general, he is open to 'dating' girls as young as the legal age of consent, which is 16 in the state he now resides.

* Dicky only abstains from hitting on girls when he's "on the job ('OTJ')". Once he's done speaking, presenting, etc., and is in a social situation, he sees no ethical bars to him propositioning girls for sex.

[CommanderTuvok]

Statements of fact:
* In the US, college undergrads are aged 18-21.

* Camp Quest counselors are aged 18 and up, but camp counselors are usually in their early 20's.

* Camp Quest campers are aged 8 - 17.

* Dicky has bragged about 'dating' college women he's met via his speaking engagements.

* Dicky has stated that in general, he is open to 'dating' girls as young as the legal age of consent, which is 16 in the state he now resides.

* Dicky only abstains from hitting on girls when he's "on the job ('OTJ')". Once he's done speaking, presenting, etc., and is in a social situation, he sees no ethical bars to him propositioning girls for sex.

http://i.imgur.com/SaYNzF6.jpg

[Billie from Ockham]

Where's the fucking game Wu?? :mrgreen:

Wu's just waiting for Heina Dadabuoy to finish writing the instructions.

That got a real laugh from me. :clap:

[Billie from Ockham]

Also, even without factoring those with 'Remain regret', 1.1 million still wouldn't have been quite enough to swing the margin of 1,269,501 votes - though admittedly the 1.1 million figure here cannot be that precise, given that it comes from a sample. Even so, no - not many Leave voters have much in the way of regret at all.

Actually, because the number is effectively doubled (being subtracted from one side and added to the other), 1.1M would have been enough, which is why the 0.7M that would have switched the other way is important.

[Tigzy]

Also, even without factoring those with 'Remain regret', 1.1 million still wouldn't have been quite enough to swing the margin of 1,269,501 votes - though admittedly the 1.1 million figure here cannot be that precise, given that it comes from a sample. Even so, no - not many Leave voters have much in the way of regret at all.

Actually, because the number is effectively doubled (being subtracted from one side and added to the other), 1.1M would have been enough, which is why the 0.7M that would have switched the other way is important.

*narrows eyes*

Curse this new e-liquid. That's my excuse anyway.

I still stand by 6% not being many though.

[Sulman]

Have you ever wondered if you can see butthurt from space?

[Sulman]

Have you ever wondered if you can see butthurt from space?

[Sulman]

Absolutely no idea why that went twice.

[Really?]

Have you ever wondered if you can see butthurt from space?

I look forward to seeing the ending, when Daniel Craig's character is curbstomped to death by half a dozen young men because black lives matter.

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[Dave]

Also, even without factoring those with 'Remain regret', 1.1 million still wouldn't have been quite enough to swing the margin of 1,269,501 votes - though admittedly the 1.1 million figure here cannot be that precise, given that it comes from a sample. Even so, no - not many Leave voters have much in the way of regret at all.

Actually, because the number is effectively doubled (being subtracted from one side and added to the other), 1.1M would have been enough, which is why the 0.7M that would have switched the other way is important.

*narrows eyes*

Curse this new e-liquid. That's my excuse anyway.

I still stand by 6% not being many though.

Shrug, in abstract, 1.1 million is many. In abstract, 6% is not many. It depends on context. In the context of an election, enough votes to change the outcome is usually many.

[Parody Accountant]

I kind of think Rebecca Watson is as dead as pz myers blog network. Her sloth has made her irrelevant. Her only claim to fame is elevator gate, and that is not enough to keep her moving forward in any capacity.

I just started getting into podcasts. I was surprised to see her old haunt prominently listed in my recommendations. I'm extremely bored of atheist stuff in general, outside of the drama lol. So I skipped. But it was listed right up there with Hardcore History, a few NPR casts, Mark Maron's thingy, Joe Rogan's thingy... etc.

But SGU seems to have been her only way to stay relevant, but she stopped doing all her 'brilliant work' there too. I've been away for awhile. She seems to be aging like we're all on a starship, and relativistic effects are showing us a rapidly aging earthbound woman.

[Billie from Ockham]

Absolutely no idea why that went twice.

As I explained above, once when it was subtracted from the POST A REPLY box and once when it was added to the actual forum. Please pay attention.

[Steersman]

Statements of fact:
* In the US, college undergrads are aged 18-21.

* Camp Quest counselors are aged 18 and up, but camp counselors are usually in their early 20's.

* Camp Quest campers are aged 8 - 17.

* Dicky has bragged about 'dating' college women he's met via his speaking engagements.

* Dicky has stated that in general, he is open to 'dating' girls as young as the legal age of consent, which is 16 in the state he now resides.

* Dicky only abstains from hitting on girls when he's "on the job ('OTJ')". Once he's done speaking, presenting, etc., and is in a social situation, he sees no ethical bars to him propositioning girls for sex.

Fine. But it seems all "you" have is motive and opportunity. Nothing like an actual smoking gun, much less a dead body.

[Parody Accountant]

snip

The SSA has already announced that Carrier is no longer able to go to SSA events such as their conference at all, and that they will now notify all SSA affiliates when someone is pulled from the speaker's list for cause.

snip

Perhaps it's petty of me to want SSA to put a literal and specific "No Richard Carrier" policy in force for all SSA functions, but that's not exactly what SSA said.

Last week, we announced that we were launching a Board-led investigation into our handling of a complaint against Dr. Carrier. Since that announcement, an outside consultant was brought on board to lead the investigation.

The consultant was given complete autonomy in their investigation and has been actively interviewing people. Our Board has been receiving frequent updates and is in regular contact with the consultant. Based on the current findings to date, the consultant has recommended the investigation be expanded beyond its original scope and the Board has agreed.

Again, The Secular Student Alliance does not tolerate harassment of its members. Any harassment conducted by speakers who are affiliated with SSA can be reported using this form: https://secularstudents.org/speakers/report and the expectations of our speakers can be found here: https://secularstudents.org/speakers/policies

The outcome of this investigation will result in new policies and processes to better protect our students. At the conclusion of our investigation we will release what we can about our findings.

In the meantime, we want to make clear that speakers who are removed for cause from our Speakers Bureau will not be invited to SSA Con 2016, or to any future SSA Con. We are also currently working on a policy for informing students of Speakers Bureau member removal.

We have added an email address to report any harassment/code of conduct issues that either occurred in the past or are currently existing investigation@secularstudents.org. These issues will go directly to our consultant and will be handled in the strictest confidence.

I bolded the critical part. Carrier might argue that he is merely prohibited from speaking or participating at SSA functions. Attending? He might see that as another matter entirely. He might be pretty lonely during SSA Con when his secondary (perhaps primary) girlfriend is helping her husband out at the con.

The bit about informing students seems broad and bullshitty. Probably a list somewhere on a website.

Why not "inform the affiliates that affiliate status will be reviewed if removed speakers are invited to participate". That should be the outcome.

I was gone during that public scandal. That was very insightful. Thanks for those blog links, Really. WTF

I missed this, but holy shit. The whole A/S scene is pretty fucked. The only org that was routinely professional and cared about the issue seemed to be FFRF. You can throw RDF in there too, but that's less of a player.

Fuck AA, AHA, and the rest of the incestuous bunch.

[Lsuoma]

Speaking of Generation Snowflakes:

I was fired from my internship for writing a proposal for a more flexible dress code
http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-wa ... -code.html

Read the whole thing and the response of the advice columnist for some cringe plus some healthy dose of schadenfreude.

Ha, that's good. Thanks for posting, That's just the type of attitude I meant. It's everywhere.

No shit - they would have been out of the building the same day for me too.

For us, our interns are incredibly valuable, and we hire between 85-90% of them when they graduate. But I've never seen an intern act like that.

[Steersman]

<snip>

The British pound fell more than 10 percent on Thursday night, reaching $1.34 per pound, after midnight Eastern time, a stunning decline for a rich country's currency in a single day

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... -collapse/

Current: 1 British pound = 1.3428 US Dollars
To check quickly

The recovery is tiny.

No longer being on the historical low is victory for Brexiters now, I guess. Alternatively, you may take the Sargon of Akkad route of focusing on strawman and minor side theatres to not face the facts. Or how about cherrypicking. Some markets will gain eventually. And this is just the decision to Brexit. .... People delude themselves where a "return to normal" is even sold as a great victory. But that could mean anything, since factually nothing has happened yet. For example the German Dax also took a Brexit-dent and is now slowly recovering too. Analysits say this is because the markets return to normal since the Britains are cowards and don't want to trigger Art 50 (because, newsflash, it doesn't look like a good idea).

No doubt, it will take some time for all the dust to settle - seem to recollect Cameron had suggested close to a decade. Yet you seem to think that everything should be resolved, and back on an even keel after a fortnight or it's deemed a "bad idea".

And while I've suggested that Brexit is maybe not the best idea in the world as there certainly seems to be much justification for economic cooperation, I don't think you realize that there were, apparently, some seriously problematic flies in the EU ointment. Maybe, one hopes, cooler heads will prevail - maybe starting with Juncker getting bounced. But I kind of get the impression that the referendum result allows Cameron, or his replacement, to say to the EU, in effect, "if you're not prepared to deal with substantive issues - rather than blowing us off as you did the last time when we came to the table with our hats in our hands - then we are prepared to and have the mandate to walk":

[Tigzy]

Shrug, in abstract, 1.1 million is many. In abstract, 6% is not many. It depends on context. In the context of an election, enough votes to change the outcome is usually many.

But if you factor in the 696,00 'regret remainers', it wouldn't have been enough to change the outcome. My maths would have still have the Leave camp leading with around 460,000 votes. Though admittedly, my maths has been very shitty of late, so I could very well have missed something somewhere.