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Tigzy wrote:Oooh - ouch! New very minor blogger Abe over at FTB has announced the release of his literary endeavor: http://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanoxia/2 ... available/ - and he kindly offers us an excerpt:
He had once climbed the stairs of the Empire State Building, and that didn’t take half the time he was spending on these. Anthony was also fairly certain that he knew of no buildings with black marble stairs of such great width. He couldn’t see the walls on either side of him now, just darkness.

Wisps of pale green mist gathered around him, glowing faintly without lending any light to their surroundings. Anthony paused to look back. The stairs behind him were a well of darkness out of which reached faint tendrils of the luminous fog.

After what seemed like hours, he reached a door. It was unquestionably a door. Anthony was utterly certain that it was a door, but he couldn’t tell if it was a normal roof exit door, or a huge wooden door with wrought-iron hinges, or a house door, or a gate. It seemed to be all doors at once. Not flickering exactly, but not remaining in one guise either. Anthony realized that all the doors he had ever seen in his life were merely imitations or reflections of this door. Leaving such a door closed was not an option. Mouth dry and hands sweating, he opened it and stepped through.
Anyone even vaguely familiar with writing and reading creative fiction can see the problem here - the prose suffers from too much repetition. In the first paragraph we get 'building' and 'buildings', three instances of 'stairs' across two short paragraphs, and a pretty exhaustive use of 'door' in the third paragraph. Shit like this makes for clumsy prose and prevents the reader from being fully immersed in the story.

This is the kind of stuff you'd expect from a total newb at the craft, but according to Abe, 'This is the culmination of years of writing, learning, and re-writing' :o Dude has to be shitting us. Amazingly enough, it's not a vanity project, but has been released by what appears to be a genuine third-party publisher - albeit a (very) indie one, if the quality of their covers are anything to go by.

Still, it's not as bad as Greg Laden's infamously ludicrous effort. Ye gods, that was some funny shite:
She was discontinuity personified when she walked into that dark and dingy tavern, this den of mean scruffy men with beards. She was very white, except her hair which was off white, and of medium height and somewhat stocky build with very large head. She was clad in an enigmatically loud pastel pants suit, wore eye glasses that could have doubled as the marquee for a casino on the Las vegas strip, and sported a hairdo that went all the way to the top, and money. You couldn't literally see the money, but you could tell it was there...
Now quietly departed from Amazon, it seems. Oh well.

It is an insult to publishing to say that this terrible book was published or that "Wandering in the Woods Press" is a publisher. It is a woman who turned the terrible manuscript into an .epub for Amazon and spent five minutes making sure the formatting was acceptable for the Amazon filters before cashing this dummy's check.

http://archive.is/2IEUq

Wandering the Woods Press is where you go when you are too stupid to google "How do I turn my doc into an epub" and too bad a writer to realize that your prose is irredeemable shit. Unlike a real publisher, this FTB newbie paid for the services, which is not what happens when you attract the attention of a real publisher.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Nice of you to address my points. Honor that shit is not. You can romanticize and apologize, but it's a problem, not the solution. Glad we sorted that out.
A Syrian woman was gang raped. Her family moved to Germany. Her mother ordered her father & brothers to stab her to death, because she was 'unclean'. This is known as an honor killing. You repeating over&over that there's Nothing Honorable About It doesnt advance the conversation. Me using the term 'honor killing' isnt me romanticizing the atrocity, no matter how many times you claim it does. Nor does it indicate I have a soft spot for insane muslims. Me saying this is an example of Honor Culture, if the family acted on-their-own in Germany, but they would have defered to their Sharia court back in Syria- a form of Dignity Culture-- is just me applying the appropriate sociology terms, not a value judgement. Hopefully this second example will help you see all the same also applies to black american gang culture. That said, not everyone in a hooded sweatshirt is a one big gang; and treating them like they are is a recipe for revolt. Whether in the form of retaliatory shooting of cops-- or a code of non-cooperation forming on the street. The more tribalistic the cops & 'decent taxpayers' act, the less moral high ground they hold over lowly street people. At some hypothetical tipping point, it becomes actual-fact that corrupt police are less honorable-- in the value-judgement sense-- than the caste they're policing. If you cant engage with what Im actually saying, you're just jerking-off your favorite straw men. How are these 'social prescriptions' even controversial?


I just agreed to be interviewed for a talk show in Staten Island, tomorrow. Was hesitant, because today's exchange leaves me feelin burnt out. So-- Im motivated to let stale bygone farts fade,, & start a new dsy fresh.

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Service Dog wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Nice of you to address my points. Honor that shit is not. You can romanticize and apologize, but it's a problem, not the solution. Glad we sorted that out.
A Syrian woman was gang raped. Her family moved to Germany. Her mother ordered her father & brothers to stab her to death, because she was 'unclean'. This is known as an honor killing. You repeating over&over that there's Nothing Honorable About It doesnt advance the conversation. Me using the term 'honor killing' isnt me romanticizing the atrocity, no matter how many times you claim it does. Nor does it indicate I have a soft spot for insane muslims. Me saying this is an example of Honor Culture, if the family acted on-their-own in Germany, but they would have defered to their Sharia court back in Syria- a form of Dignity Culture-- is just me applying the appropriate sociology terms, not a value judgement. Hopefully this second example will help you see all the same also applies to black american gang culture. That said, not everyone in a hooded sweatshirt is a one big gang; and treating them like they are is a recipe for revolt. Whether in the form of retaliatory shooting of cops-- or a code of non-cooperation forming on the street. The more tribalistic the cops & 'decent taxpayers' act, the less moral high ground they hold over lowly street people. At some hypothetical tipping point, it becomes actual-fact that corrupt police are less honorable-- in the value-judgement sense-- than the caste they're policing. If you cant engage with what Im actually saying, you're just jerking-off your favorite straw men. How are these 'social prescriptions' even controversial?


I just agreed to be interviewed for a talk show in Staten Island, tomorrow. Was hesitant, because today's exchange leaves me feelin burnt out. So-- Im motivated to let stale bygone farts fade,, & start a new dsy fresh.
If the people who make society possible are not safe, it all falls apart. This is incontrovertible. The first to suffer are always those lowest in the socioeconomic ladder. This again is incontrovertible. The original NYC broken windows policies were enacted because people weren't safe. Things are safer now, but yes, the police have gone too far. It is a balance. But you seem to only be regarding one end of the scale.

But I think we're done here. No ill will on my part. Good luck on your interview.

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gurugeorge wrote:You know, I'm wondering if there's soon going to be actual censorship and banning of news related to Islamic terrorism. According to Sargon's recent Week in Stupid, Germany's just come down hard on a couple running a private Facebook group of 900 members that was complaining about Immigrant crime - i.e. they were charged by the police for "hate crime", tried and fined, and the judge said if they came before him again they'd be jailed.

I wonder if the great and good are soon just going to have a self-imposed moratorium as more and more of this stuff happens, and in parallel the social system becomes more authoritarian and censoring. I mean considering the self-censorship of the police that was recently revealed re. the Cologne rapes, etc., it looks like it's already part of that aspect of the social structure there.

At the moment, the thing that's stopping it is that of course bad news sells (the root of that being we're wired to notice problems). But at some point the shared ideology may kick in to self-censor, and overcome the self-interest of the owners of the papers (or would it? the London Standard and the Independent are owned by a Russian who just wrote his own op-ed today in the Standard, calling for the West to get its shit together and fight back against Islamism). And while the internet and social media might have been a refuge from that, an alternative from that, there seems to be a big push to try and extend the concepts of "hate speech" so broadly that anything on social media that squeaks through could be censored too.

The result might be that nobody knows wtf is going on other than the plebs who are suffering at the sharp end, but they have no voice.
The souce of this this article:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36804363

The whole list is here. Short version: Sargon has become like Fox News. He shows material that outrages his audience, and relies on halftruths.

Nothing in the article looks like some critical remarks on Islam or asylum seekers, but actual hatecrime including Nazism.
Typical crimes included "glorification of Nazism [and] xenophobic, anti-Semitic and other right-wing extremism", they said.
This is illegal, and it is a clearly marked territory. Your Freedom of Speech also has some clearly defined limitations. It is not as some might think a slippery slope, like as if the government takes away freedoms piece by piece. It is that way probably since after the war, and it is just one bullet point of things that aren't covered under freedom of expressions. This makes it remarkably simple: They go after people who hoard and sell nazi stuff, or who promote Nazism.

A lot of people have this profound confusion about freedom of speech and either falsely believe it was absolute (false) or think that just because one area is deemed verboten (heh) it somehow means the government can add additional areas as they see fit (false). There are historical reasons for this one. Further, the raids were organized by 25 departments. They don't do this just for fun. There is Pegida and all that, and nobody throws them into jail. Before someone is visited in this fashion, they must be in the neo nazi scene. Sargon more and more sounds like Fox News or right wing talk radio, halftruths served to outrage his audience.

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Former FTB blogger now working as political speechwriter?

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Addendum: Neo Nazis can register their demonstrations, like everybody else and are protected by police — just as any other group. The only thing they cannot do is use the exact symbols of the Third Reich, which is an enemy state and akin to treason. However the BND is keeping an eye on them, and rightfully so, since they are a potential threat to the state.

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Service Dog wrote: Sociologists Manning & Campbell say Honor Culture exists when there's a vacuum of impartial authority, so citizens have to settle their own differences through acts of courage, including violence & duels. When social institutions exist-- informal ones such as customs, or formal ones like courts-- Honor Culture gives-way to Dignity Culture.
Neither the US or the UK is a lawless failed state. Pikeys have an honour culture, because they reject the rule of law, because they are criminals. There is little sign of this honour culture giving way to dignity culture because they will keep rejecting the rule of law as long as there is profit in being outlaws.

It's the same story with the mafia, much the same with honour killings in the muslim community. It isn't an absence of authority, it is a rejection of it.

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Brive isn't just a sock, he actually exists, and we've founded the Australiasian chapter of the pit.

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Successful first meeting of the Australasian chapter of the Slymepit.

Officers in attendance: Keating and Brive.

Resolution. More beer and to open a sub chapter in New Zealand.

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Aneris wrote:Addendum: Neo Nazis can register their demonstrations, like everybody else and are protected by police — just as any other group. The only thing they cannot do is use the exact symbols of the Third Reich, which is an enemy state and akin to treason. However the BND is keeping an eye on them, and rightfully so, since they are a potential threat to the state.

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Is that hyperbole or do you really mean that that is the only thing they cannot do?

I seem to remember reading they were also not able to publish articles or give speeches (or even attempt to give speeches) denying that the holocaust occurred.

Although that said - I've also heard that there are demonstrations where people are free to express anti-semitic opinions. It just has to be the right sort of person giving the opinion.

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Aneris wrote:
Nothing in the article looks like some critical remarks on Islam or asylum seekers, but actual hatecrime including Nazism.
If the last few months has taught us anything, the BBC can't be trusted any more than Fox news.

I am fairly convinced that the German state is both covering up Islamic crimes and abusing it's powers to crush opposing voices.
Having followed what has happened to Tommy Robinson, if the UK can do it, i am sure Germany can.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/1 ... is-doomed/

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Brive1987 wrote:Successful first meeting of the Australasian chapter of the Slymepit.

Officers in attendance: Keating and Brive.

Resolution. More beer and to open a sub chapter in New Zealand.

[img.]http://i.imgur.com/ysIHXB2.jpg[/img]
Too many chiefs and not enough indians.

You white cis-het male shitlords.

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Or fire up Crem II

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We have plans for Rayshul. Oh yes, we have plans ......

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Aneris wrote:
Nothing in the article looks like some critical remarks on Islam or asylum seekers, but actual hatecrime including Nazism.
If the last few months has taught us anything, the BBC can't be trusted any more than Fox news.

I am fairly convinced that the German state is both covering up Islamic crimes and abusing it's powers to crush opposing voices.
Having followed what has happened to Tommy Robinson, if the UK can do it, i am sure Germany can.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/1 ... is-doomed/
Not just Germany.

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Brive1987 wrote:We have plans for Rayshul. Oh yes, we have plans ......
[youtube]lKfupO4ZzPs[/youtube]

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Aneris wrote:
Nothing in the article looks like some critical remarks on Islam or asylum seekers, but actual hatecrime including Nazism.
If the last few months has taught us anything, the BBC can't be trusted any more than Fox news.

I am fairly convinced that the German state is both covering up Islamic crimes and abusing it's powers to crush opposing voices.
Having followed what has happened to Tommy Robinson, if the UK can do it, i am sure Germany can.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/1 ... is-doomed/
Do not be surprised if there is an outbreak of violence aimed at German Politicians.

*shrug*

Or another "Anders Breivik" style attack on their children. Are there political oriented youth camps like the one Breivik attacked on Utoya? Better have really good security in my opinion.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:We have plans for Rayshul. Oh yes, we have plans ......
[.youtube]lKfupO4ZzPs[/youtube]

No the Executive Committee had other ideas.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/imag ... lKPaKa-QqA

Subject to cross Tasman ratification consent.

Go home Brive you're drunk.

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Oh shit. She's here.

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Brive1987 wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Aneris wrote:
Nothing in the article looks like some critical remarks on Islam or asylum seekers, but actual hatecrime including Nazism.
If the last few months has taught us anything, the BBC can't be trusted any more than Fox news.

I am fairly convinced that the German state is both covering up Islamic crimes and abusing it's powers to crush opposing voices.
Having followed what has happened to Tommy Robinson, if the UK can do it, i am sure Germany can.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/1 ... is-doomed/
Not just Germany.
Indeed, there is a chilling effect that I have felt. It is one thing to get banned from Twitter, another to get a knock on the door in the early hours of the morning.

I have practically withdrawn completely from engaging with the opposition directly on social media.

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comhcinc wrote:http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/14/ ... xth-cover/
Frank Cho was one of a number of A-list comic book artists, commissioned by DC Comics to create 24 variant covers for the first year of their relaunched twice-monthly comic books....But possibly not with Wonder Woman writer, Greg Rucka. And, as a result, Frank Cho is walking off the title after its sixth issue – and variant cover.....
He tells Bleeding Cool,

All the problem lies with Greg Rucka.

EVERYONE loves my Wonder Woman covers and wants me to stay. Greg Rucka is the ONLY one who has any problem with covers. Greg Rucka has been trying to alter and censor my artwork since day one.

Greg Rucka thought my Wonder Woman #3 cover was vulgar and showed too much skin, and has been spearheading censorship, which is baffling since my Wonder Woman image is on model and shows the same amount of skin as the interior art, and it’s a VARIANT COVER and he should have no editorial control over it. (But he does. WTF?!!!),,,,,
Pictures in the article.
I wonder if Rucka is the moron responsible for the "mansplaining" bit.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Aneris wrote:
Nothing in the article looks like some critical remarks on Islam or asylum seekers, but actual hatecrime including Nazism.
If the last few months has taught us anything, the BBC can't be trusted any more than Fox news.

I am fairly convinced that the German state is both covering up Islamic crimes and abusing it's powers to crush opposing voices.
Having followed what has happened to Tommy Robinson, if the UK can do it, i am sure Germany can.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/1 ... is-doomed/
Yea. Some 4 months ago I posted a quote from a Quillette article that seemed credible and which described precisely that:
Tutors and Examiners of the Mind: German media and the migrant crisis

written by Phillip Mark McGough

A few years ago, remarking on the more aggressive federalist tendencies within the European Union, Mikhail Gorbachev observed that the most puzzling development in European politics since the end of the Cold War was the “apparent determination of politicians to recreate the Soviet Union in Western Europe.” Today we might update this to say that the most puzzling development in European politics is the apparent determination of the leaders of a unified, liberal, and democratic Germany to recreate and otherwise emulate the propagandist methodologies of East Germany and National Socialist Germany — certainly in terms of their bridling of the press and directing of the headlines away from dissent and towards a prefabricated officially-approved narrative (and, unlike Mr Gorbachev, we could not heartily be accused of exaggeration). ....

The problems here were abbreviated recently and efficiently in remarks made by Wolfgang Herles, a grandee of German broadcasting and former head of the Bonn division of ZDF (Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen, effectively the German state broadcaster). In a story which itself, ironically, went little-reported in the wider European media, Dr Herles commented that publicly-funded broadcasters in Germany, including ZDF, routinely took orders from the Federal government in line with an ideologized vision of multicultural harmony and a pan-European, pro-immigration agenda. He said:
We have the problem that we are too close to the government. The topics we cover are determined by the government. But many of the topics the government wants to stop us from reporting are more important than the topics they want us to cover. We must, we are told, report in such a way that serves Europe and the common good. Today we are not allowed to say anything negative about the refugees. This is government-led journalism, and this leads to a situation in which the public loses their trust in us. This is scandalous.
Consider those remarks and let them percolate a while. These aren’t the warnings of a dissident Russian journalist bravely running the risk of death by radioactivity while speaking out from London exile (in which case we’d shrug our shoulders and ask: “What does he expect? It’s the Kremlin”) — these are the warnings of the former chief of the state broadcaster in Europe’s largest and (theoretically) most progressive democracy. ...

More than a century before Blake anticipated the mindgames of totalitarianism in these words, John Milton wrote in his Areopagitica that the worst crime the state could commit against a man was “not to count him fit to print his mind without a tutor or examiner.” Germany in all its incarnations these past eighty years has had its fair share of them: Men and women determining upon what is and what is not fit to print, fit to speak, fit to think — sometimes, in the darkest times, determining who is and who is not fit to live.

It seems they are still with us, even in a democratic age, these tutors and examiners of the mind, and that certain tendencies in German history are not yet dead.
Though to be fair to Germany, such tendencies are obviously hardly unique to Germans. But price of freedom and all that.

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VickyCaramel wrote:If you let pharmacies sell all these drugs at low prices, you should wipe out organized crime overnight if the price is right....
I'm afraid it's not that simple. Illegal drugs trade is a multi-billion-dollar industry sector with a number of extremely rich and powerful criminals behind it. Those arch-crooks are not going to suddenly become well-adapted, taxpaying business men when drugs become legal and prices fall. They will just find other criminal activities that may ruin society even more than some illicit drug trade and consumption.

You could think of protection rackets, kidnappings, armed robberies and other horrors that don't even require much in the way of material investment or logistics the way drugs production does. Where I live the drugs trade seems to be contained to a shady subculture which you can easily steer clear of. You can still let your children play in the street without direct supervision or walk into a supermarket without getting a gun on your head, most of the time.

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Brive1987 wrote:We have plans for Rayshul. Oh yes, we have plans ......
AWESOME

I might drop by Melbourne mid yearish to see the folks.

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Somewhat apropos of my last comment, and the #NothIngToDoWithIslam ax attack in Germany, a somewhat sardonic if bitter tweet:

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Brive1987 wrote:Successful first meeting of the Australasian chapter of the Slymepit.

Officers in attendance: Keating and Brive.

Resolution. More beer and to open a sub chapter in New Zealand.

http://i.imgur.com/ysIHXB2.jpg
Not to forget the Berry sub-chapter

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VickyCaramel wrote:When you think about drug dealing as a business, it is near enough perfect. You have repeat business from customers who are addicted and they bring their money to you.

House breaking is a skill. So is mugging to an extent. People are not just going to be able to switch to another form of crime.
Besides, there are technical solutions to other crimes which will become widespread as a response as we have seen with car crime and bank robberies. Kidnapping seldom pays off, which leaves fraud and identity theft. Again there are technical solutions. Sooner or later people are going to realize it is easier to get a real job.
I was ninjaed, obviously.
You're probably right that the lower echelons won't necessarily switch to other forms of crime, but the top management and their middle layer of toughened executives will learn fast. They'll just find other foot soldiers where necessary.

Kidnapping currently doesn't pay off in the the North/West because it's relatively scarce and the police take it seriously. But that may change fast if the rate tendoubles. (Also, if you can't get your ransom, you just sell those kids for slave labour, another upcoming industry).

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feathers wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:If you let pharmacies sell all these drugs at low prices, you should wipe out organized crime overnight if the price is right....
I'm afraid it's not that simple. Illegal drugs trade is a multi-billion-dollar industry sector with a number of extremely rich and powerful criminals behind it. Those arch-crooks are not going to suddenly become well-adapted, taxpaying business men when drugs become legal and prices fall. They will just find other criminal activities that may ruin society even more than some illicit drug trade and consumption.

You could think of protection rackets, kidnappings, armed robberies and other horrors that don't even require much in the way of material investment or logistics the way drugs production does. Where I live the drugs trade seems to be contained to a shady subculture which you can easily steer clear of. You can still let your children play in the street without direct supervision or walk into a supermarket without getting a gun on your head, most of the time.
Again, it isn't so simple.
The drug trade is a fantastic business model. You have repeat customers who are addicted and bring their money to you wherever you are. As a drug baron, your minions take most of the risks for you, your biggest problem is laundering the money.

The other problem is that violence is used to take and maintain control of the trade... very few get to simply retire, they are eliminated.

I see no reason why, if this trade were to be taken away from them, that they would be looking to break into bank robbery... and robbing gas stations just isn't in the same league.
Other crimes are less profitable and with a much higher chance of getting caught. Besides, nobody can complain about the injustice of locking up bank robbers.

Even if it did cause a spike in other crimes, there are technical solutions to other crimes, we can adapt.

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rayshul wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:We have plans for Rayshul. Oh yes, we have plans ......
AWESOME

I might drop by Melbourne mid yearish to see the folks.
Two pieces of advice, Rayshul

1) It already is mid-yearish.

2) Run

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A hand-painted flag of so-called Islamic State has been found in the room of an Afghan refugee accused of carrying out an axe and knife attack on a southern German train, officials say.
The 17-year-old injured four people from Hong Kong, two critically, in the attack in Wuerzburg on Monday evening. He was shot dead by police as he fled.
He had shouted Allahu akbar" ("God is great"), a witness said.
The IS-linked Amaq news agency said the teenager was an IS "fighter".
It said he had "carried out the operation in answer to the calls to target the countries of the coalition fighting the Islamic State".
Joachim Herrmann, the interior minister of the state of Bavaria, told German TV the flag had been found among the teenager's belongings in his room in his foster home in the nearby town of Ochsenfurt.
Mr Herrmann said it was too early to say whether the teenager was a member of an Islamist group or had become self-radicalised in recent times.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36832909

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MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:We have plans for Rayshul. Oh yes, we have plans ......
[youtube]lKfupO4ZzPs[/youtube]
Dang, you just quoted one of my favourite fictional nasties!

His best line(s):

Pinhead: Unbearable, isn't it? The suffering of strangers, the agony of friends. There is a secret song at the center of the world, Joey, and its sound is like razors through flesh.

Joey: I don't believe you.

Pinhead: Oh come, you can hear its faint echo right now. I'm here to turn up the volume. To press the stinking face of humanity into the dark blood of its own secret heart.


The work of Clive Barker has been a strange addiction of mine for many years - books, poetry, artwork, the lot! I think I may have mentioned it before but his short story "Dread" (taken from "Books of blood") is the only thing to successfully give me the creeps as an adult.

A few examples of his art-work...

https://clivebarkerart.files.wordpress. ... 2print.jpg

http://67.media.tumblr.com/24b6b4a76ead ... o1_500.jpg

http://www.clivebarker.info/piratecrew.jpg

Seriously folks, if odd horror is your thing, check Barker out; you'll laugh, you'll cry, you might even get the willies!

And he's such a normal looking chap...

http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7c38 ... o1_500.jpg

Anyhoo, sorry for the wall of nonsense :P

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Skep tickle wrote:Former FTB blogger now working as political speechwriter?
Proof that Trump is truly a troll. After the above went viral he copies the tweet Obama used after Michelle's speech

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Michael J wrote:Proof that Trump is truly a troll. After the above went viral he copies the tweet Obama used after Michelle's speech
I think his ridiculous barnet is proof enough...

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Cnutella wrote:
Cnutella wrote: thought it wasn't released yet? Are you part of the beta-test?
Scented Nectar wrote:I wish! I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen so far in trailers and various gameplay videos from gaming sites etc that have been released, plus stuff the developers have said when talking about the game. Only 3 weeks to go before I'm playing it too. My computer's RAM is upgraded and ready and so am I. :)
Fair enough... I hope it's awesome. The world could use a new awesome space game after Elite:Dangerous/Frontiers turned out to be kind of "meh" (although very pretty "meh").
The only thing that would make the game more awesome would be to find some easter eggs that let me see some very explicit Korvax on Korvax action, but I think it's unlikely that I'll find something like that.

http://www.nmsfansite.com/wp-content/up ... Korvax.jpg

Where's the option to choose "Sure, I'll watch you and the other Korvax go at it for a while"?

Just kidding, I think. :?

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feathers wrote: Kidnapping currently doesn't pay off in the the North/West because it's relatively scarce and the police take it seriously. But that may change fast if the rate tendoubles. (Also, if you can't get your ransom, you just sell those kids for slave labour, another upcoming industry).
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I agree. The only real place for them to go is slavery, but that is already a huge industry, it's just people don't see it. I could get in my car and find slaves (effectively) within 20min. However, I have seen the gangmasters and they are driving around in 10 year old BMWs so I don't think there is much money in it.

I have a little experience trying to get certain sectors of it shut down. I managed to get no less than five members of parliament involved and yet little happened. Reading between the lines, the various agencies who are responsible are swamped and have no time for the lower end stuff, and when you move up the chain there are other crimes such as drugs involved, tax evasion, so the police are "working on it" and so won't just launch a raid because they got a tip-off. But they are swamped.

Again, there are technical solutions to this. Without a war on drugs we can direct more resources at it.

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Aneris wrote:
jimhabegger wrote:
gurugeorge wrote:It's all about equality of outcome vs. equality of treatment (with a parallel distinction re. the definition of "egalitarian"). You can't have both without contradiction.
I agree with that distinction, and that there's a conflict of interest between them. I see aiming for equality of outcome as guaranteed to result in injustices. I haven't thought about whether the same is true of aiming for equality of treatment. I think that what most people would see as equality of treatment is also guaranteed to result in injustices.

Partly what I think is needed is equal access to education, training, knowledge, contributing to knowledge, and consideration for our ideas, interests, concerns and possibilities in life.
Only that the premises are bunk. Fitst, Equality of Outcome (EoO) vs Equality of Treatment (EoT) is a false dichotomy. You can treat most people equally, but help some a little, for example. Neither are you treating everyone equally, nor will some help equalize the outcomes. There are infinite possibilities on how much support and in which ways whom gets.

In addition, EoT can in fact not mean equal treatment as it seems to imply at first. It looks like that everything was fair this way, everyone is treated the same. But now enter the real world: everyone can pay, say $5,000 a year a for good education. Everyone has the exact same conditions, only that some people never have that money. Or how about, “when you own property (land), you can vote”. Fair and nice, everyone is allowed to own land. But some are never in that position. In the real world, the starting conditions are never the same, or even comparable, hence EoT by the letter is blatantly unfair. But that doesn't mean that you need to guarantee the same outcome for everyone. You can try to even out the starting conditions and try to make things fair. Obviously, this the starting point of many a political disagreement.
It sure is :) Much as I love many of your posts, I have to say this is nonsense, equality of treatment is equality of treatment by any treating agency. To say that it can "in fact not mean equal treatment" is nonsense - what you are saying is simply that equality of treatment can lead to inequality of outcome. Yes, it can. But it's still equality of treatment, and equality of treatment is necessarily broken by any push for equality of outcome, which must necessarily lead to people being treated differently by any treating agency.

Essentially you're saying that the trade-off is worth it - a little bit of inequality of treatment, buys some equality of outcome, and it's worth it. That's where the argument lies: on the one hand you have some benefits for some people that are visible, that you can see, but the cost of that, that you don't see, is the negative effects on those treated unequally, and the negative effects that unequal treatment has that redounds throughout society in terms of lowering standards in both a "technical" and a moral sense (positive discrimination=less efficient workplaces; slippery slope as the state smells blood and becomes more and more prepared to treat people unequally to achieve abstract ideals).

That's not to say that equality of outcome isn't a mild desideratum of sorts. But just how valuable is it, in the balance? Can the negative effects of equality of treatment be dealt with in other ways? If you have some sense of socialism, then I suggest that the best way to think of how to ameliorate the negative effects of capitalism isn't to chop down some to raise others, but rather to encourage self-help, self-organization, etc., among those on the lower end of the economic scale. That's always been an alternative idea of socialism, right? - unions, workers' collectives, collective insurance, etc., etc. I would suggest that's a better way to achieve the aims you're looking for, than breaking a fundamental aspect of the liberal order.

One of the greatest tragedies of the late 19th century was that the home-grown unionization movement was taken over by the Left and used as a tool for their imaginary "revolution".

Mediaeval Iceland has often been used by anarcho-capitalists as one of the few examples of a society run roughly along a-c lines. And it's true, in terms of law and other aspects of social order, it was. But what's often forgotten is that Iceland had a parallel, institutionalized system of self-help among the poor, who pooled their resources to see them through hard times. That's more how it should be, IMHO - rather than trying to shape and mould society top-down, state power should be used to encourage ground-up solutions that "want to be born", so to speak. That way, several human dignity is preserved throughout - nobody is cut down, and those on the lower rungs have the dignity of creating and running their own solutions, with local knowledge.

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Aneris wrote:
gurugeorge wrote:You know, I'm wondering if there's soon going to be actual censorship and banning of news related to Islamic terrorism. According to Sargon's recent Week in Stupid, Germany's just come down hard on a couple running a private Facebook group of 900 members that was complaining about Immigrant crime - i.e. they were charged by the police for "hate crime", tried and fined, and the judge said if they came before him again they'd be jailed.

I wonder if the great and good are soon just going to have a self-imposed moratorium as more and more of this stuff happens, and in parallel the social system becomes more authoritarian and censoring. I mean considering the self-censorship of the police that was recently revealed re. the Cologne rapes, etc., it looks like it's already part of that aspect of the social structure there.

At the moment, the thing that's stopping it is that of course bad news sells (the root of that being we're wired to notice problems). But at some point the shared ideology may kick in to self-censor, and overcome the self-interest of the owners of the papers (or would it? the London Standard and the Independent are owned by a Russian who just wrote his own op-ed today in the Standard, calling for the West to get its shit together and fight back against Islamism). And while the internet and social media might have been a refuge from that, an alternative from that, there seems to be a big push to try and extend the concepts of "hate speech" so broadly that anything on social media that squeaks through could be censored too.

The result might be that nobody knows wtf is going on other than the plebs who are suffering at the sharp end, but they have no voice.
The souce of this this article:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36804363

The whole list is here. Short version: Sargon has become like Fox News. He shows material that outrages his audience, and relies on halftruths.
Not so, Sargon was ok with the raids per se in his podcast, they do indeed sound like hate groups proper - he was using that particular example as part of a spectrum, on the "probably ok, but ..." side of the spectrum. He was more exercised (as I am) by the trend towards social media censorship and self-censorship by the establishment, and spent more time on the Facebook couple example and the Cologne/immigrant crime cover-ups.

And are the Cologne cover-ups, the immigrant crime cover-ups not a matter for outrage?

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dogen wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote: The plot has an unfolding story with a "malevolent force" in it, plus as you work your way to the center of the universe, things will get weirder and weirder, including life forms. Anyways, the video isn't about how procedural generation works, but about their team avoids the problems that others have with randomness and boringness. But the game's not for everyone. I can't even start playing minecraft because it's so ugly. However, NMS is so stunning graphically and has enough uniqueness, that even if I do ever get tired of it someday, it'll take a long time for that to happen. And I know you don't like their assets much, but I think they have really cute assets! :)
SN, you keep complaining about the ugliness of Minecraft, but have you ever seen how it looks witg a decent texture pack and shader mods? E.g.,

[youtube]HrLUuGRxJuk[/youtube]
Still ugly, although better than the low res minecraft. Even ActiveWorlds circa mid 90s was better than the hi res minecraft due to being more than just cubes (can you tell I don't like cube-only 3d environments? lol). Activeworlds is still as bad as it was in the mid 90s, and there are rumours that it'll be closed down soon, or else I'd recommend it to anyone who likes building in 3d. All you need there is the free citizenship to build on the open worlds. People can also buy their own worlds, but that's expensive. It might still be fun for as long as it's around, but take screenshots of your builds, since they will disappear if the company closes.

Here's a video showing ActiveWorlds:

[youtube]b8Bu1OnQMRk[/youtube]

http://www.activeworlds.com

I first came up with the name "Scented Nectar" when I joined Activeworlds back in the mid 90s.

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Brive1987 wrote:Successful first meeting of the Australasian chapter of the Slymepit.

Officers in attendance: Keating and Brive.

Resolution. More beer and to open a sub chapter in New Zealand.

http://i.imgur.com/ysIHXB2.jpg
We've already opened a sub chapter here.

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Gentlemen, stop fighting about Honor!

http://www.007james.com/i/actresses/gol ... honor1.jpg

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KiwiInOz wrote:
We've already opened a sub chapter here.
Are the doms to meet separately?

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John D wrote:It is time for me to go to bed... but I just had a nice walk with my Danish exchange student and she explained they have something called a "bear gift". A bear gift is something that looks like a good gift, but it is worse in the end. She said it is like when parents do everything for their kids when they are young, but then the kids can't take care of themselves when they are adults. A bear gift.

Is welfare a bear gift? Probably sometimes.... maybe most of the time. A bear gift.
Did she mean: Greeks bearing gifts?

(I'm paining my brains as to what Danish expression she could have in mind)

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gurugeorge wrote:... to encourage self-help, self-organization, etc., among those on the lower end of the economic scale ... state power should be used to encourage ground-up solutions that "want to be born", so to speak. That way, several human dignity is preserved throughout - nobody is cut down, and those on the lower rungs have the dignity of creating and running their own solutions, with local knowledge.
That's happening in some places, and I think it will grow and spread.

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Bhurzum wrote:
The work of Clive Barker has been a strange addiction of mine for many years - books, poetry, artwork, the lot! I think I may have mentioned it before but his short story "Dread" (taken from "Books of blood") is the only thing to successfully give me the creeps as an adult.
I used to love The Books of Blood and In The Hills, The Cities is still one of my favorite horror short stories, that and his Raymond Chandleresque Valentine stuff. I re-read them a few years ago and they han't aged so well although they were rightfully a gamechanger for horror fiction.

Also, I think they're one of the few examples I know of where an author launched an entire career off an anthology of short stories.

Don't kill me with acid-soaked hooks!

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feathers wrote:
John D wrote:It is time for me to go to bed... but I just had a nice walk with my Danish exchange student and she explained they have something called a "bear gift". A bear gift is something that looks like a good gift, but it is worse in the end. She said it is like when parents do everything for their kids when they are young, but then the kids can't take care of themselves when they are adults. A bear gift.

Is welfare a bear gift? Probably sometimes.... maybe most of the time. A bear gift.
Did she mean: Greeks bearing gifts?

(I'm paining my brains as to what Danish expression she could have in mind)
I think it's like giving someone a Lion or Tiger (or even a Bear) cub as a present.

It would be fun for the first 6 months. But after that it's a hell of a responsibility that you have placed on them.

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:hankey: s
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Brive1987 wrote:We have plans for Rayshul. Oh yes, we have plans ......
AWESOME

I might drop by Melbourne mid yearish to see the folks.
I'm 5 more beers down the track. But seriously let "us" know.

Even though the inaugural meeting took place at the Hyatt Canberra.

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feathers wrote:
John D wrote:It is time for me to go to bed... but I just had a nice walk with my Danish exchange student and she explained they have something called a "bear gift". A bear gift is something that looks like a good gift, but it is worse in the end. She said it is like when parents do everything for their kids when they are young, but then the kids can't take care of themselves when they are adults. A bear gift.

Is welfare a bear gift? Probably sometimes.... maybe most of the time. A bear gift.
Did she mean: Greeks bearing gifts?

(I'm paining my brains as to what Danish expression she could have in mind)
I know nothing of Danish idiom, so I'm going to pretend that it's a tradtional proverb based on an old folktale where a prince is gven a cute bearcub, and then when it grows up it goes on to eat his beloved daughter. And she was betrothed to marry a prince from a rival kingdom in a union that would have brought peace to the land. Did I mention she was also blind? Bears are the worst.

Alternate version, in ancient Denmark, bears were revered guests at homewarming parties and they would want to do their bit by bringing a honeycomb. But, being bears, they would forget that humans don't have thick hides impervious to stings and the party would end early and abruptly. Probably hundreds of people died this way.

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KiwiInOz wrote:We've already opened a sub chapter here.
Maybe, but our chapter supports women and minorities, unlike the misogynist CHUDs in the other one.

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Fuck. Where did that big shit come from?

If only I had a working edit button.

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Hey Keating, how did your Tuesday activity go? Should have stuck around for the open tab ....

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If I wasn't paralytic I'd suggest a night cap.

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I made my first lasagne on Sunday, and I've just got home and put it in the oven.

I'm opening a beer though.

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I think I am going to have start taking tips from Service Dog on how to present myself as a political artist.
http://spencertunickcleveland.com/project-synopsis/#!

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Cnutella wrote:
feathers wrote:
John D wrote:It is time for me to go to bed... but I just had a nice walk with my Danish exchange student and she explained they have something called a "bear gift". A bear gift is something that looks like a good gift, but it is worse in the end. She said it is like when parents do everything for their kids when they are young, but then the kids can't take care of themselves when they are adults. A bear gift.

Is welfare a bear gift? Probably sometimes.... maybe most of the time. A bear gift.
Did she mean: Greeks bearing gifts?

(I'm paining my brains as to what Danish expression she could have in mind)
I know nothing of Danish idiom, so I'm going to pretend that it's a tradtional proverb based on an old folktale where a prince is gven a cute bearcub, and then when it grows up it goes on to eat his beloved daughter. And she was betrothed to marry a prince from a rival kingdom in a union that would have brought peace to the land. Did I mention she was also blind? Bears are the worst.

Alternate version, in ancient Denmark, bears were revered guests at homewarming parties and they would want to do their bit by bringing a honeycomb. But, being bears, they would forget that humans don't have thick hides impervious to stings and the party would end early and abruptly. Probably hundreds of people died this way.
Seems to be related to the Swedish "björntjänst", meaning "bear favour". As in someone doing you a favour that hurts you instead of helping. According to some googling it comes from a fable by Jean de La Fontaine where a bear tries to swat a fly on his master's face but instead kills the man.

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Bhurzum wrote:
Dang, you just quoted one of my favourite fictional nasties!

Anyhoo, sorry for the wall of nonsense :P
I have edged a toe in the waters - with regards to the works of Mr Barker.

I think with Hellraiser (especially the movies) - he has reached the mainstream.

His horror is more memorable than his fantasy - he really gives the old tropes a fresh coat of paint.

Have you seen Stephen Bissette's artwork for the comics adaption of Rawhead Rex? Not the most subtle of things - the monster is basically a giant ambulatory penis (retractable foreskin and all). A male counterpart to Vagina Dentata.

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Brive1987 wrote:Successful first meeting of the Australasian chapter of the Slymepit.

Officers in attendance: Keating and Brive.

Resolution. More beer and to open a sub chapter in New Zealand.

http://i.imgur.com/ysIHXB2.jpg
Is that a half pint?

Fascist Tit, when you are well enough to resume duties, I propose that any mention of the Legio Australis be expunged from the official Pit history, and its Standard be melted down and made into shot glasses.

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Cnutella wrote:
paddybrown wrote:One of these ads has appeared on a billboard near me:

http://tartanarmyboard.co.uk/forum/uplo ... 059fce.jpg

(Not the actual one. Stolen from the internet for illustration purposes. They're apparently going up all over the place.)

Seems to be the same kind of Freeman on the Land gibberish, tring to claim the law doesn't apply to you if if you don't want it o. There's a website, which, as near as I can make out, argues that the name on your birth certificate is your "legal name", which belongs to the government, and laws (or "legal") passed by the government only apply to your legal name, not to your person, which doesn't belong to the government, so all you have to do to get out of paying debts you have incurred or being convicted of offences you have comitted is to refuse to accept that your "legal name" has anything to do with you.
:lol: I kinda wish a court would accept that defense (fat chance) because presumably anyone who won a case based on that would instantly become a non-person. Any bank accounts they thought they owned would have been created fraudulently, any property they owned would be in someone else's name, and I would think even their citizenship could be called into question, as their birth certificate could presumably be called into question.Even their driver's license would become instantly invalid. And good luck changing your name to something of your choice if you are suddenly left without an identity..
This is actually more or less their desired outcome. Free themselves of debt and criminal record. Just be a free man on the trailerpark land. Legal pseudoscience is very entertaining. For some reason we don't get it outside states with common law history.

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Michael J wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Successful first meeting of the Australasian chapter of the Slymepit.

Officers in attendance: Keating and Brive.

Resolution. More beer and to open a sub chapter in New Zealand.

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/ysIHXB2.jpg[/img]
Not to forget the Berry sub-chapter
The Berry working committee works out of the Auckland standing committee. Didn't you get the minutes?

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Cnutella wrote:I used to love The Books of Blood and In The Hills, The Cities is still one of my favorite horror short stories, that and his Raymond Chandleresque Valentine stuff. I re-read them a few years ago and they han't aged so well although they were rightfully a gamechanger for horror fiction.
Aye, time can be a harsh mistress. Mind you, I'm a wee bit odd when it comes to books and movies - if I like something, it often becomes "timeless" in my eyes and will provide countless return sittings. I used to drive my ex-wife crazy with my book and video/dvd hoarding but I'm nowhere near as bad these days. My GF loves my book collection (90% fiction, a few art books, some poetry) and is constantly raiding my dvd collection for the night-shift at work. Needless to say, her co-workers think I'm a psychopath.
Cnutella wrote:Don't kill me with acid-soaked hooks!
It's a fine line that separates pleasure from pain...

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(Sorry, Scented, blocks and all that good stuff!)

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Cnutella wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Successful first meeting of the Australasian chapter of the Slymepit.

Officers in attendance: Keating and Brive.

Resolution. More beer and to open a sub chapter in New Zealand.

http://i.imgur.com/ysIHXB2.jpg
Is that a half pint?

Fascist Tit, when you are well enough to resume duties, I propose that any mention of the Legio Australis be expunged from the official Pit history, and its Standard be melted down and made into shot glasses.
Embarrassingly it's a bottle of Peroni poured into whatever receptacle was appropriate.

If you drink enough of them it's gods own nectar.

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