The Refuge of the Toads

[Sunder]

A hypothesis based on a comment I spotted over at Coyne's: The left's focus on identity politics may simply be because at the end of the day, it's cheap. Legislating bathroom access or even marriage equality costs very little, comparatively. Other issues such as poverty, crime, drugs, well, solutions to them are far more difficult and far more expensive. So why not campaign on symbolic issues that affect less than a single percent of citizens but cost nothing to implement?

[Brive1987]

I'm prepared to give Lauren the benefit of the doubt. Much as I've marked her as a natural blonde.

Some things just need to be true.

[Sunder]

And to avoid giving the wrong impression, though I mentioned marriage equality as a low-cost issue, I think it's still pretty high-value. Affects a lot of people and in very significant ways. Transgender bathroom access is absurdly niche in comparison.

[DaveDodo007]

The "Women's March" is led by an islamist who supports sharia law and the government of Saudi Arabia:

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Fucking insane. This is like a "Black people's march" being led by a KKK sympathizer. The US left is fucked.

It's a fucking mess, really.

Honestly, I'm really fucking scared about what's going to happen when this authoritarian culture makes a shift away from modern values. Because it's going to happen, and some amount of that culture is going to go right along with it. It's going to be a mess.

The warning for me of this is when we see a widespread targeting of the male LGBT community, when "TERF" values and ideas go mainstream. That's the first step. Where it stops? Who knows.

I don't get why you are surprised by this, lefty/liberals are mentally ill.

[Brive1987]

Literally Hitler.

Weird that the self evident needed to be reiterated to the "Captain Noos" out there.

[Oglebart]

Fucking LOL!

[youtube][/youtube]

"Fucking police brutality. fuck the police"

Whack!!

"Arrest that man, he hit a woman"

:lol:

[Brive1987]

That guy really wanted to get to work. He should submit that vid at his next performance review.

[DaveDodo007]

Yo! Scented Nectar. Attention:

WTF, I hate Trump now. :(

[Oglebart]

I used to enjoy checking in on various lolcows on Kiwi Farms, it's disrupted my routine by being shut down, I don't like change!

The fallout is interesting though, there was a lot of spurious doxing going on lately and that surely deserved some comeback. It would be a shame if it was all lost though. The Wu thread alone was worth preserving I think.

It's only internet drama though, I'll survive.

[DaveDodo007]

I am not surprised that so many FTBers, Orbitards, and their commentariat are suddenly coming out as cheerleaders for physical violence. Radical leftists, like their counterparts on the right, have always had a fetish for violence. The writings of PZ Myers are full of rage and violent metaphors. And do I need to mention the infamous porcupine meme? I think not. What does surprise me is that in all their apologetics these wannabe Red Guards have so far failed to provide the best argument of all (unless I missed it).

The brave Social Justice Warrior who punched Nazi guy in the face was punching up.

See, that makes it all right. Punching up is always okay, as the SJWs have been telling us for ages. But why stop there? I mean, why not also punch people who protest against punching people? They are clearly on the wrong side of history, aren't they? It is in fact entirely correct to punch anyone who is not totally on board with SJW ideology. Because that is always punching up, and therefore justified.

Meanwhile, all they have done is to make a Nazi scumbag appear like the innocent victim of a cowardly, unprovoked attack. Imagine how this looks to the average viewer. A polite, well-dressed person is giving an interview, when suddenly a thug in a hoodie jumps in front of the camera and lands a punch in the man's face. Surely, a resounding PR success, but not for the SJW. Dr. Goebbels would have known how to exploit a situation like this. It's all of breathtaking stupidity, both the initial punch and the cheerleading afterwards. What can possibly go wrong?

These fucking idiots are the best supporters Trump could wish for.

They don't care about winning elections or changing things, they care about expressing their rage by proxy on the targets they hate. PeeZie is likely dreaming about punching all the jocks who gave him wedgies in high school, all the cheeky college kids he has taught at uni, all the trolls and assorted critics he's had on the web, to universal SJW acclaim. The same is true for the other SJWs. They're more interested in revenge and satisfying their feelings of impotent rage than in actually changing things for the better. It's all a big temper tantrum against anything they dislike.

Yes, Trump is going to exploit the "liberal hatred" for his entire term. Critics will be smeared as haters and uncivil, Trump and his cronies will likely sue journalists for slander or try to get them fired, every failed promise or failure in general of his administration will be blamed on the workings of hateful and conniving liberals. And the more morons like Myers and his ilk will celebrate punching anyone they hate the more Trump will look better and saner. After all if there are people who approve of punching those they disagree with out of the blue who's to say that they don't also secretly work to undermine all the progress made by the Great Benevolent Orange Master?

They are haters and uncivil so how are they smeared?

[Bhurzum]

That guy really wanted to get to work. He should submit that vid at his next performance review.

Yup, and they say violence is never the solution...

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[Kirbmarc]

They are haters and uncivil so how are they smeared?

Do you think that anyone who criticizes Trump is a hater and uncivil? Criticism, satire, mockery, even strong rhetoric are essential to a functioning democracy. Violent acts, vandalism (uncivil acts), lies in the media, smears and slander (hating) aren't. Attacking all of your critics as a haters/uncivil is a way to keep yourself above any criticism. It's not a good move, regardless of who does it. I don't think Trump would be an exception if he did.

[piginthecity]

I think he's saying that you see anarchists at all kinds of protests. I've no doubt that if Hillary got in, they'd have been out in force.

I strongly disagree.

A Trump inauguration is a better platform for an anarchist mob than a Clinton one. This doesn't mean that anarchists are more against Trump than against Clinton.

[Sunder]

I used to enjoy checking in on various lolcows on Kiwi Farms, it's disrupted my routine by being shut down, I don't like change!

The fallout is interesting though, there was a lot of spurious doxing going on lately and that surely deserved some comeback. It would be a shame if it was all lost though. The Wu thread alone was worth preserving I think.

It's only internet drama though, I'll survive.

I think it's a pretty good analogue to the protest punching. You say doxing's okay against certain people and eventually someone else is gonna have a different idea of who's an acceptable target. Maybe they'll have you in mind.

I think it's better to just take it off the table entirely. There is such a thing as bad tactics regardless of targets.

Not to mention that KF's behavior was identical to many of the ex-SomethingAwful goons they had threads on. Shit stirrers laughing at other shit stirrers. And ten years down the line there'll be some other "lolcow" site taking the piss out of old KiwiFarms users who never grew up either.

[Kirbmarc]

A hypothesis based on a comment I spotted over at Coyne's: The left's focus on identity politics may simply be because at the end of the day, it's cheap. Legislating bathroom access or even marriage equality costs very little, comparatively. Other issues such as poverty, crime, drugs, well, solutions to them are far more difficult and far more expensive. So why not campaign on symbolic issues that affect less than a single percent of citizens but cost nothing to implement?

I agree. It's the same reason why the right focuses so much on religious identity. Legislating against gay marriage or against abortion costs little compared to creating or preserving jobs and kickstarting economic development.

Ideologies and religions are great ways to get people to vote for you and to work for your goals in general more or less for free. Fanatics do all the work you want them to if you convince them that it's for the "greater good/the god(s)/the glorious revolution", and they don't even ask to get paid. If you manipulate them cleverly enough you can get very rich and powerful without spending too much money.

[Kirbmarc]

A Trump inauguration is a better platform for an anarchist mob than a Clinton one. This doesn't mean that anarchists are more against Trump than against Clinton.

Left-anarchists like the black blocks exploit controversies which the left in general cares about (G8 meetings, elections of right-wing politicians, Occupy Wall Street) to insert themselves in the window of discourse. If you're a left-anarchist and say "fuck Clinton!" or "fuck Obama!" other leftists will likely more or less ignore you. If you say "fuck Trump!" they might think you have a point.

They feel more legitimated to attack a Trump inauguration, so they come in larger numbers and cause more damage, knowing that some people might cover for them and that they'll look better to the general leftist public.

[InfraRedBucket]

Literally Hitler.

Weird that the self evident needed to be reiterated to the "Captain Noos" out there.

It's a trap, I tell you! A trap!



http://i.imgur.com/72YH16s.jpg

[InfraRedBucket]

Good to see HM Gov is taking the necessary cost cutting measures pre brexit for a global economy

[Brive1987]

Literally Hitler.

Weird that the self evident needed to be reiterated to the "Captain Noos" out there.

It's a trap, I tell you! A trap!



http://i.imgur.com/72YH16s.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xHxetqK.jpg

[DrokkIt]

Feeling pretty pissed off the number of people coming out in favour of politically motivated violence.
Might just delete my facebook.

[shoutinghorse]

Quizotron tonight!

Starts in about 40 minutes! Anyone in SF planning on attending? (or peeking in the door?)

https://sfsketchfest2017.sched.com/even ... bert-young

I wonder how long her chums will tolerate giving up their free time to help her fund her new 'independent woman' lifestyle before they start ignoring her phone calls texts and emails?

[Kirbmarc]

Feeling pretty pissed off the number of people coming out in favour of politically motivated violence.
Might just delete my facebook.

Political violence has always been encouraged in the extreme left, as long as the target "deserves it". The extreme left and the extreme right are more similar than you'd imagine.

Take a look at what Warren Ellis wrote about the Spencer punch:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2y9rtvUUAAjtdk.jpg:large

So anyone who defends the freedom of speech of people like Spencer is a "surplus to human requirements". This sounds curiously like what the Nazis themselves say.

The projection is strong with Ellis. I wonder if there's some truth to the old joke that a socialist is just a nationalsocialist with no nation.

Anyway I'm more and more convinced that the modern insanity on the liberal left started with authoritarian laws like the Holocaust denial laws. Once you've established that some opinion are so terrible that we cannot even warrant their expression you're starting a process which leads to the SJWs.

Bad speech is countered with mockery, satire, and good speech, not with authoritarian laws. By targeting Holocaust deniers, people who ideas which are as stupid as flat-earthers or creationists, with ad hoc laws to put them in jail simply for saying stupid, vile stuff, not inciting crimes or slandering specific people, liberal democracies have a) turned them into martyrs of free speech when they're just a bunch of vile idiots with easily disproved ideas and b) enabled the nutters on the other side of the aisle who salivate at the thought of controlling speech.

Nazis have wrong and disgusting ideas, but the core of their ideas, if you take away the buffoonish mystique of a so-called "Aryan race", is the same of all other authoritarian ideas: building a utopia by taking out anyone who disagrees. Communism isn't much better than Nazism, it only targets different kinds of people, ideological rather than ethnic targets.

Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao weren't much better than Hitler. The west allied itself with Stalin to crush Hitler, but Stalin was only marginally the lesser evil in WWII, and only because he wasn't the one who attacked but the one who defended his country and he could come to an agreement with the western powers. When they come in power in Eastern Germany the communist regime there created a surveillance system under the control of the Stasi which even holocaust survivors and nazi hunters like Simon Wiesenthal called worst than the Gestapo.

Left and right aren't as important as a divide as authoritarian and liberal-democratic. The acceptable form of "socialism" is social democracy, which is a reforming movement within liberal democracy, not the call for an authoritarian regime. The SJWs aren't social democratic, they're post-modern leftist authoritarians. They wish to curtail freedoms just like the post-modern neo-nazis.

We shouldn't restrict the freedoms of either camp, but those of us who like democracy should expose, denounce, mock and satirize both. SJWs and alt-righters deserve each other, the saner people on both the left and the right should call them out for what they are.

Anyone who thinks that communism would work if only it was done right is just as delusional as a neo-nazi who thinks that nazism would work if only it was done right. The main reason why nazism is despised by anyone who's not a nazi while communism gets more of a pass is that liberal democracies didn't directly fight against communism and communists often disguised themselves as social democrats.

Today communist regimes have or are crumbling, the nazi regime is reviled by basically anyone (with the exception of some minorities in liberal democracies and of a more widespread appeal among people in the middle east who hate jews).

What we're left with are some dysfunctional, idiotic nostalgics of nazi times who hanger on as parasites whenever immigration restrictions are discussed and a po-mo victimhood cult on the left which wishes to suppress anything which offends their feelings. The ALT-RIGHT and the CTRL-LEFT. DEL them both.

[Shatterface]

If violence is a legitimate political tool then people who use it AND vote are effectively having two bites at the cherry.

I propose you be allowed either one or the other.

If you vote you don't get to punch, and if you punch you don't get to vote.

Also, you don't get to complain when your opponents express their democratic rights by punching you back.

[DrokkIt]

Feeling pretty pissed off the number of people coming out in favour of politically motivated violence.
Might just delete my facebook.

Political violence has always been encouraged in the extreme left, as long as the target "deserves it". The extreme left and the extreme right are more similar than you'd imagine.

Take a look at what Warren Ellis wrote about the Spencer punch:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2y9rtvUUAAjtdk.jpg:large

So anyone who defends the freedom of speech of people like Spencer is a "surplus to human requirements". This sounds curiously like what the Nazis themselves say.

The projection is strong with Ellis. I wonder if there's some truth to the old joke that a socialist is just a nationalsocialist with no nation.

Anyway I'm more and more convinced that the modern insanity on the liberal left started with authoritarian laws like the Holocaust denial laws. Once you've established that some opinion are so terrible that we cannot even warrant their expression you're starting a process which leads to the SJWs.

Bad speech is countered with mockery, satire, and good speech, not with authoritarian laws. By targeting Holocaust deniers, people who ideas which are as stupid as flat-earthers or creationists, with ad hoc laws to put them in jail simply for saying stupid, vile stuff, not inciting crimes or slandering specific people, liberal democracies have a) turned them into martyrs of free speech when they're just a bunch of vile idiots with easily disproved ideas and b) enabled the nutters on the other side of the aisle who salivate at the thought of controlling speech.

Nazis have wrong and disgusting ideas, but the core of their ideas, if you take away the buffoonish mystique of a so-called "Aryan race", is the same of all other authoritarian ideas: building a utopia by taking out anyone who disagrees. Communism isn't much better than Nazism, it only targets different kinds of people, ideological rather than ethnic targets.

Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao weren't much better than Hitler. The west allied itself with Stalin to crush Hitler, but Stalin was only marginally the lesser evil in WWII, and only because he wasn't the one who attacked but the one who defended his country and he could come to an agreement with the western powers. When they come in power in Eastern Germany the communist regime there created a surveillance system under the control of the Stasi which even holocaust survivors and nazi hunters like Simon Wiesenthal called worst than the Gestapo.

Left and right aren't as important as a divide as authoritarian and liberal-democratic. The acceptable form of "socialism" is social democracy, which is a reforming movement within liberal democracy, not the call for an authoritarian regime. The SJWs aren't social democratic, they're post-modern leftist authoritarians. They wish to curtail freedoms just like the post-modern neo-nazis.

We shouldn't restrict the freedoms of either camp, but those of us who like democracy should expose, denounce, mock and satirize both. SJWs and alt-righters deserve each other, the saner people on both the left and the right should call them out for what they are.

Anyone who thinks that communism would work if only it was done right is just as delusional as a neo-nazi who thinks that nazism would work if only it was done right. The main reason why nazism is despised by anyone who's not a nazi while communism gets more of a pass is that liberal democracies didn't directly fight against communism and communists often disguised themselves as social democrats.

Today communist regimes have or are crumbling, the nazi regime is reviled by basically anyone (with the exception of some minorities in liberal democracies and of a more widespread appeal among people in the middle east who hate jews).

What we're left with are some dysfunctional, idiotic nostalgics of nazi times who hanger on as parasites whenever immigration restrictions are discussed and a po-mo victimhood cult on the left which wishes to suppress anything which offends their feelings. The ALT-RIGHT and the CTRL-LEFT. DEL them both.

Certainly agree with you there, also I'd add that communism probably accounted for more deaths overall. Having read some of Solzhenitsyn's novels I certainly appreciate the vile and repressive ideology that pervaded soviet Russia, it's one of the things (Orwell also) that steered me clear of ever being extreme left.

I thought I'd share some choice quotes I keep seeing, we can play 'spot the logical fallacy':

I understand the pleas for non-violence here, and I'm not saying that it's totally fine to punch someone just because you disagree with them - if someone had opposing views on whether we should privatise the NHS, for example, or leave Europe, or raise taxes (or basically anything that isn't a literal call to arms for mass genocide), then of course a nice passive conversation would be far more productive than just lamping 'em in the face - but this guy is a bonafide Nazi and is actively campaigning for ethnic cleansing. How can you rationally and compassionately debate an ideology that has no concept of rationality or compassion? I think it's utterly terrifying that the media is even giving this guy the time of day in the first place, as his end game would be far, far more violent than a sucker punch... People often muse on "what if you could go back in time and kill Hitler as a child?", as that single act of violence would have prevented unprecedented levels of violence on a global scale - well, now's our chance to crush Richard Spencer before he gets any more ideas above his station. We need to show him and his cronies that they are not fucking welcome here, and the above was a very succinct, effective way of doing that.

I feel like we were supposed to learn a lot of lessons from the events of the 20th Century that we completely failed to take on board.

We definitely had a Big Respectful Debate from 1939-1945, but for the life of me I can't remember what the killer lines were that "destroyed" Adolf (will google full name later). If anyone's got a Wikiquote link that would be appreciated.

If they were vulnerable and weak people, then I'd probably advocate going easy on them. But they're always banging on about how strong and invincible they are, so really, they're fair game for a twatting.

Also, they're repugnant evil-minded bastards, so there's also that to consider.

I'd have mixed (but ultimately conclusive) feelings if he'd been attacked while having dinner somewhere.

The fact is that he is a genocidal protagonist with top-level political representation who was giving an interview to camera during a protest.

[Wild Zontargs]

The shooting outside Milo's event was Red-on-Red. The shooter says he was assaulted by a white supremacist, and shot in self-defense. Turns out the victim was a member of the General Defense Committee of the IWW.

[AndrewV69]

So I was going to try and argue with Ally but you know ... Twatter. Plus then I would be in the position of apparently supporting Nazis. You know that will be the response. If not from Ally or the usual suspects but j.rando.nutbags like the baboons.

You know the drill. Now Ally is in the UK but it is not hard to find his sentiments in the USA. It is all around. I am going to leave it to others to try and inject some sense but I doubt that many are going to listen.

As entertaining as all of this is to me, there will be consequences.

*shrug*

Anyway, someone who agrees with me on where this is heading. Peter Turchin. Although he seems to have some sort of theory and data behind him whereas I have been going by gut feel based on my lived experience in a few countries and reading newspapers in assorted countries over the years.

Anyway, A Quantitative Prediction for Political Violence in the 2020s

Structural-demographic theory (SDT) suggests that the violence spike of the 2020s will be worse than the one around 1970, and perhaps as bad as the last big spike during the 1920s. Thus, the expectation is that there will be more than 100 events per 5 years (see the upper panel in the figure). In terms of the second metric (the lower panel) we should expect more than 5 fatalities per 1 million of population per 5 years, if the theory is correct.

Anyone remember the 70's? A look at the past and what he suspects is coming Days of Rage Now I was busy in those days with other things, among them work and having a good time. Even so I recall some of those events as reported in their papers.

It is a long read BTW. Set aside some time.

Days of Rage is important, because this stuff is forgotten and it shouldn’t be. The 1970s underground wasn’t small. It was hundreds of people becoming urban guerrillas. Bombing buildings: the Pentagon, the Capitol, courthouses, restaurants, corporations. Robbing banks. Assassinating police. People really thought that revolution was imminent, and thought violence would bring it about.

[AndrewV69]

Anyway I'm more and more convinced that the modern insanity on the liberal left started with authoritarian laws like the Holocaust denial laws. Once you've established that some opinion are so terrible that we cannot even warrant their expression you're starting a process which leads to the SJWs.

Bad speech is countered with mockery, satire, and good speech, not with authoritarian laws. By targeting Holocaust deniers, people who ideas which are as stupid as flat-earthers or creationists, with ad hoc laws to put them in jail simply for saying stupid, vile stuff, not inciting crimes or slandering specific people, liberal democracies have a) turned them into martyrs of free speech when they're just a bunch of vile idiots with easily disproved ideas and b) enabled the nutters on the other side of the aisle who salivate at the thought of controlling speech.

Yep. Been arguing this for years. Ever since Ernst Zündel events in Toronto as a matter of fact.

Meanwhile, apparently this happened recently :

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Whatever man. Fuck.

[deLurch]

The shooting outside Milo's event was Red-on-Red. The shooter says he was assaulted by a white supremacist, and shot in self-defense. Turns out the victim was a member of the General Defense Committee of the IWW.

I wish it was as clear cut as that. The person shot is clearly of the violent SJW variety since he is a member of the IWW/GDC.

The guy in the yellow hat doesn't have any Trump or Milo swag. But he may be accompanied by the short multi-ponytail girl.
[youtube][/youtube]
I think he said "Did they kick you out of the front line?"

That might suggest he was trying to get in to see the talk.

The report that he came in to the police with one other who was also arrested until they could get the interviews done.

[Service Dog]

A demi-famous feminist on facebook:

http://i.imgur.com/8fga9Pr.png

"at least" throwing rocks, eh?!

And... "identity" as the last word. "Snowflakes", too. Such inadvertent honesty.

[Shatterface]

The shooting outside Milo's event was Red-on-Red. The shooter says he was assaulted by a white supremacist, and shot in self-defense. Turns out the victim was a member of the General Defense Committee of the IWW.

It being called a 'white supremacist' smarts more than the bullet wound.

So we have a Left who accept violence directed at racists who also think all white people are racist.

Whoda thunk this could turn out badly?

[Service Dog]

Senator Casey's grandstanding in favor of campus rape hysteria... and his attempt to smear Betsy DeVos for donating to FIRE... won me to her side:


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[CommanderTuvok]

Anybody think that if the "Asian guy" who shot the anarchist/Communist (whatever) was more "white looking" and was wearing a MAGA cap and Pepe t-shirt, etc. we would be hearing a hell of a lot more about it from the SJWs?

[SkepticalCat]

Senator Casey's grandstanding in favor of campus rape hysteria... and his attempt to smear Betsy DeVos for donating to FIRE... won me to her side:

DeVos is a religous nut with no teaching experience, and she wants to destroy public education. She would be a terrible choice to head the Department of Education.

[InfraRedBucket]

Senator Casey's grandstanding in favor of campus rape hysteria... and his attempt to smear Betsy DeVos for donating to FIRE... won me to her side:

DeVos is a religous nut with no teaching experience, and she wants to destroy public education. She would be a terrible choice to head the Department of Education.

So what happens if the committees don't like what they hear, on any appointee, can they force Trump to go back and pick someone else?

[Tigzy]

The shooting outside Milo's event was Red-on-Red. The shooter says he was assaulted by a white supremacist, and shot in self-defense. Turns out the victim was a member of the General Defense Committee of the IWW.

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

[Shatterface]

Anybody think that if the "Asian guy" who shot the anarchist/Communist (whatever) was more "white looking" and was wearing a MAGA cap and Pepe t-shirt, etc. we would be hearing a hell of a lot more about it from the SJWs?

We could test that by running his photo through Briana Wu's de-Oriental app and asking SJWs what they'd do with him.

[John D]

Senator Casey's grandstanding in favor of campus rape hysteria... and his attempt to smear Betsy DeVos for donating to FIRE... won me to her side:

DeVos is a religious nut with no teaching experience, and she wants to destroy public education. She would be a terrible choice to head the Department of Education.

I am ready to give Devos a chance despite her religious zeal. Federal funding and attempted control of local schools has been a wasteful disaster. More laws and worse results. If Devos lowers the burden put on schools by the Feds then I am a fan!

[Lsuoma]

Goodbye, goodbye.

Gordon Kaye has died.

[jugheadnaut]

Senator Casey's grandstanding in favor of campus rape hysteria... and his attempt to smear Betsy DeVos for donating to FIRE... won me to her side:


[youtube][/youtube]

Devos does a great job here staying out of the trap Casey was setting. The only way she, or any of Trump's cabinet picks, can be stopped is if they say something in the hearings that can be spun by activist groups and friendly media into something outrageous. If she'd called the 1 in 5 statistic controversial or disputed, the Amanda Marcottes of the world would be writing pieces headlined "Betsy DeVos doesn't care if your daughter gets raped in college".

[jugheadnaut]

DeVos is a religous nut with no teaching experience, and she wants to destroy public education. She would be a terrible choice to head the Department of Education.

She wants to "destroy public education" in the same sense those who favor legalized abortion want to destroy fetuses.

[jugheadnaut]

[quote="InfraRedBucket"

So what happens if the committees don't like what they hear, on any appointee, can they force Trump to go back and pick someone else?[/quote]

Only if they can be so discredited a Republican Senator on the commitee doesn't support them, and then at least two in a full Senate vote.

[feathers]

Goodbye, goodbye.

Gordon Kaye has died.

We will never know where the Madonna with the Big Boobies ended up.

[Lsuoma]

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[MarcusAu]

Goodbye, goodbye.

Gordon Kaye has died.

Migel Ferrer cashed out recently too:

[youtube][/youtube]

[SkepticalCat]

Happy birthday, Phil! :banana-dreads:

[MarcusAu]

In other news:

Explorers That Found Ancient Lost City of the Monkey God Almost Lose Their Faces to Flesh-Eating Parasite

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-his ... esh-021179

[Eskarina]

And Jaki Liebezeit, too.


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[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Happy birthday, Phil! :banana-dreads:

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[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Senator Casey's grandstanding in favor of campus rape hysteria... and his attempt to smear Betsy DeVos for donating to FIRE... won me to her side:

DeVos is a religious nut with no teaching experience, and she wants to destroy public education. She would be a terrible choice to head the Department of Education.

I am ready to give Devos a chance despite her religious zeal. Federal funding and attempted control of local schools has been a wasteful disaster. More laws and worse results. If Devos lowers the burden put on schools by the Feds then I am a fan!

I wouldn't care if she offered up burnt sacrifices if she'd get rid of Common Core.

[Shatterface]

The hypocrisy of the ‘Free Melania’ feminists

Julie Burchill

I like to prance around showing off in hats and shouting at men as much as the next broad but – apart from the fact that I can get it at home – there were several reasons why I chose not to join a whole batch of my bitches on the Women’s March this weekend. Firstly, I was sure it would be full of ‘Strong Women‘, a phrase I hate at the best of times – and feel should only be used if the lady in question can tear a telephone directory in half with her bare hands – and which seemed especially inappropriate to describe a bunch of overgrown Violet Elizabeth Botts having a collective temper tantrum because their side lost. Once again, we saw the regressive Left repeating the same behaviour that lost it power in the first place – namely, childishly demonising any opponent as Hitler With Funny Hair.

On a more sinister level, I found it quite repulsive that one of the organisers of the Washington march, Linda Sarsour, is a vocal fan of Saudi Arabia – ‘10 weeks of PAID maternity leave in Saudi Arabia. Yes PAID. And ur worrying about women driving. Puts us to shame’ went one tweet. It conveniently side-stepped the fact that as women in Saudi Arabia aren’t allowed to drive, meet unrelated men or feel the sun on their bare heads, giving them permission to stay at home looking after children is about as empowering as giving a fish permission to swim.

Then we had the grotesque spectacle of many non-Muslim women voluntarily hijabing-up on the various marches. It made me recall the liberal Muslim feminist Asra Nomani who said she voted for Trump because she felt that she could not stomach four more years of apologism for Islamism in the White House. She ended up getting abuse from a white feminist who accused her of normalising ‘white supremacy’.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/hy ... feminists/

[AndrewV69]

Popehat on On Punching Nazis

4. In embracing a norm that sucker-punching Nazis is acceptable, remember that you live in a nation of imbeciles that loves calling people Nazis. Also bear in mind that certain aspects of our culture — modern academic culture, for instance — encourages people to think that you're a Nazi if you eat veal or disagree with them about the minimum wage.

5. By the way, right now there are tons of people right now who would welcome an emerging social norm that it's acceptable to punch, say, Black Lives Matter protesters. I know Nazis aren't remotely comparable. You do too. They disagree. And you've handed them the rhetorical tools to defend themselves, and handed the broader populace an excuse to look away. Well done.

Read the whole thing shitlords. You know you should..

Also, did I mention that Popehat has blocked me on Twitter? Something I said? No I do not recall what I may have said to offend delicate sensibilities. Too bad. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MarcusAu]

The hypocrisy of the ‘Free Melania’ feminists

Julie Burchill

I like to prance around showing off in hats and shouting at men as much as the next broad but – apart from the fact that I can get it at home – there were several reasons why I chose not to join a whole batch of my bitches on the Women’s March this weekend. Firstly, I was sure it would be full of ‘Strong Women‘, a phrase I hate at the best of times – and feel should only be used if the lady in question can tear a telephone directory in half with her bare hands – and which seemed especially inappropriate to describe a bunch of overgrown Violet Elizabeth Botts having a collective temper tantrum because their side lost. Once again, we saw the regressive Left repeating the same behaviour that lost it power in the first place – namely, childishly demonising any opponent as Hitler With Funny Hair.

On a more sinister level, I found it quite repulsive that one of the organisers of the Washington march, Linda Sarsour, is a vocal fan of Saudi Arabia – ‘10 weeks of PAID maternity leave in Saudi Arabia. Yes PAID. And ur worrying about women driving. Puts us to shame’ went one tweet. It conveniently side-stepped the fact that as women in Saudi Arabia aren’t allowed to drive, meet unrelated men or feel the sun on their bare heads, giving them permission to stay at home looking after children is about as empowering as giving a fish permission to swim.

Then we had the grotesque spectacle of many non-Muslim women voluntarily hijabing-up on the various marches. It made me recall the liberal Muslim feminist Asra Nomani who said she voted for Trump because she felt that she could not stomach four more years of apologism for Islamism in the White House. She ended up getting abuse from a white feminist who accused her of normalising ‘white supremacy’.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/hy ... feminists/

I hope everyone has the context to appreciate what a 'Violet Elizabeth Bott' is.

[free thoughtpolice]

An interesting article from one of my LinkedIn contacts on whether classical Sunni Islam supports terrorism.

3:151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

I suppose you could say this means you should scare unbelievers and Christians (they ascribe unto Allah partners) by saying they will go to hell but if you combine this with "kill the disbelievers wherever you find them" and the "blood of the disbelievers" religious scholars like Abu Bakr al Baghdadi who has a PhD in classical Sunni Islam thinks it supports terrorism.

[John D]

Senator Casey's grandstanding in favor of campus rape hysteria... and his attempt to smear Betsy DeVos for donating to FIRE... won me to her side:

I am ready to give Devos a chance despite her religious zeal. Federal funding and attempted control of local schools has been a wasteful disaster. More laws and worse results. If Devos lowers the burden put on schools by the Feds then I am a fan!

I wouldn't care if she offered up burnt sacrifices if she'd get rid of Common Core.

I would be surprised if she DIDN'T get rid of common core.

and I should know better. Her name is DeVos (not Devos), which is Dutch... which is also my European heritage. Shame on me for fucking up a good name from Western Michigan.

[Brive1987]

PZ's anti Carrier gofundme is rolling. It's fun and high jinks until the Professor goes all ableist.

I’ve been fortunate in the past that the loons who’ve threatened to sue me have tended to collapse at the prospect of defending their absurdities

https://www.gofundme.com/defense-vs-carrier-slapp

5k so far.

[Brive1987]

Here is the PZ plea.

http://archive.is/eMKK7

[free thoughtpolice]

I don't understand what the problem with Common Core is. Is it the principle of having standards or how they've been applied?

[Brive1987]

Nice to see Lousy has got out of bed. Even if the computer wiz is almost beaten by the IKEA of the online world.

PZ:

No, Stephanie is just administering it all. The money is going straight to our lawyer, she is just the middleperson — we had to designate somebody to be the recipient, and Jason did all the technical work of wrestling with the gofundme platform, while she was willing to be the accountant.
This is a joint effort, since ALL of us are being targeted by the lawsuit.

Here is Caines smoke signal:

http://archive.is/o27Bk

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

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[Brive1987]

SZvan makes the make sthe cruel accusation that Carrier targeted her birthday when searching papers.

What kind of monster would do that?

http://archive.is/ap5Yw