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Eskarina wrote: What resources?
Porn. Britain has such potential. Harry Potter school uniform scenarios, riding crops & jodhpurs, anything involving servants-- or upper class wankers desperately trying to maintain their stiff upper lip. But they over-regulated themselves out of the market. They banned production of any porn which depicts female squirting, spanking, tying each-other up, face-sitting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a- ... 97174.html

Porn is manufactured. But the manufactured product is a commodification of the quintessential service industry. Gotta stay competitive.

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Eskarina wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some people are more than tired of the EU's overall control of what had been, until the EU, local matters. Right now I'm thinking mostly of food and bike stuff. Especially with the over-enthusiastic "ecological" stance.
You're saying that as if the EU is an alien government in a galaxy far, far away. :D It isn't, most of the regulations, even the cucumber and banana ones were initiated by single member states supported by others. WE are the EU and it up to us to make it what we want it to be, just like it is with our national governments., Most of us even can't be asked to vote anymore. In Germany we call it "Politikverdrossenheit" (being fed up with politics), and it's the reason we get the government we deserve.

What the EU needs first and foremost is transparency on how it works, very few people seem to have an actual idea of it.

Secondly, the EU needs to get rid off Juncker.
FFS! That post was so Kumbaya I almost puked a unicorn!

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Eskarina wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Some people are more than tired of the EU's overall control of what had been, until the EU, local matters. Right now I'm thinking mostly of food and bike stuff. Especially with the over-enthusiastic "ecological" stance.
You're saying that as if the EU is an alien government in a galaxy far, far away. :D It isn't, most of the regulations, even the cucumber and banana ones were initiated by single member states supported by others. WE are the EU and it up to us to make it what we want it to be, just like it is with our national governments., Most of us even can't be asked to vote anymore. In Germany we call it "Politikverdrossenheit" (being fed up with politics), and it's the reason we get the government we deserve.

What the EU needs first and foremost is transparency on how it works, very few people seem to have an actual idea of it.

Secondly, the EU needs to get rid off Juncker.
FFS! That post was so Kumbaya I almost puked a unicorn!
So, sue me. Sue me in England! :lol:

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Eskarina wrote: And thankyouverymuch for deciding on the issue, anyway. No more need for discussion, f-f-f-f-f-ffffolks. Service Dog decided the matter.
You have confused me with the Brexit voters who decided the matter. If I were to declare the matter closed & flounce-- it would be reasonable to dismiss me as a petulant drama queen. But when a majority makes the same decision in a democracy, they do have the proper authority to dictate marching orders.

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Service Dog wrote:
Eskarina wrote: What resources?
Porn. Britain has such potential. Harry Potter school uniform scenarios, riding crops & jodhpurs, anything involving servants-- or upper class wankers desperately trying to maintain their stiff upper lip. But they over-regulated themselves out of the market. They banned production of any porn which depicts female squirting, spanking, tying each-other up, face-sitting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a- ... 97174.html

Porn is manufactured. But the manufactured product is a commodification of the quintessential service industry. Gotta stay competitive.
They'll never be able to compete with German scat porn. (so I heard on this board)

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Snapfingers wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
HunnyBunny wrote:
There are no local products. No steel industry, no car industry (that matters), no manufacturing industry on any scale that could provide anything like the needs of 60million people. In case people forgot Thatcher and Blair saw to the demise of all that shit and pandered to the Chinese by letting them flood the market with made in China crap. No skills to instantly start such stuff up again, no investment potential for anyone to want to sink money into, no resources available locally to make anything anyway. I guess there is the plane manufacture industry, can't see Fred from Colne being that keen to buy one though, when all he really wants is a cheap TV to watch the Corro Street on.

The UK became a service economy. Construction was the next biggest, but now no one has any money to build anything, and everyone is going to hold off doing anything until Brexit is all sorted in 5,6,7 years time even if they did have the money. Research was quite strong, but of course relied on EU money, so bye to that one. The biggest industry was finance, and that's all packing up and pissing off. The only thing on the up will be prices and inflation.

As for tourism, if you think flogging fish and chips with vinegar to the Tower of London tourists is going to make up for the destruction of the finance sector... well before the 23rd of June I would have called you an idiot, but now Brexiter has the same connotation.

You have accurately described the flabby state of Britain's economy. But all-that is a reason why Brexit is necessary. Telling a morbidly obese person that the road to becoming healthy is longer & harder than they realize-- isn't a good reason for them to give-up trying. Entirely the opposite: it underlies why change is so vitally important. Yes, the dealmakers best-equipped to build a sustainable national economy-- are currently whores for a finance industry which enriches their individual yuppies asses-- at the expense of their countrymen. Good riddance to international finance whorehouse. The finance yuppies can now re-ignite britain's native industry-- or else watch their standard of living plummet.

Look at Japan's post-80's boom 'lost decade'. The former fatcats who languished did-so because they kept waiting for the boom to come back on-it's-own. If they foresaw that it wasn't coming, they could have immediately turned-their-attention to retooling themselves for smaller-but-solider local prosperity.
...False analogy much? How is Britain "obese"?...
- no local products.
- No steel industry,
- no car industry (that matters),
-no manufacturing industry on any scale that could provide anything like the needs of 60million people.
-Thatcher and Blair saw to the demise of all that shit and pandered to the Chinese by letting them flood the market with made in China crap.
-No skills to instantly start such stuff up again,
-no investment potential for anyone to want to sink money into,
-no resources available locally to make anything anyway.
-The UK became a service economy.
-Construction was the next biggest, but now no one has any money to build anything
-Research was quite strong, but of course relied on EU money,
-The biggest industry was finance, and that's all packing up and pissing off
-As for tourism, if you think flogging fish and chips with vinegar to the Tower of London tourists is going to make up for the destruction of the finance sector...

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The Brits were always best at the femdom stuff...something about that accent and the slap of leather. I say go with your strengths.

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Service Dog wrote:
Eskarina wrote: And thankyouverymuch for deciding on the issue, anyway. No more need for discussion, f-f-f-f-f-ffffolks. Service Dog decided the matter.
You have confused me with the Brexit voters who decided the matter. If I were to declare the matter closed & flounce-- it would be reasonable to dismiss me as a petulant drama queen. But when a majority makes the same decision in a democracy, they do have the proper authority to dictate marching orders.
Nope, you claimed "Thus they were wise to break-up with you".

Bolding mine.

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It's always seemed obvious to me the 2nd amendment was intended to protect the people against the authorized force of a rival or newly tyrannical government, in which case, yes, the entire thing is obsolete (it's telling that the gun rights advocates nearly always leave out the qualifier "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"). Give the people hellfire equipped drones or take away their hunting rifles. I'd be satisfied with either outcome.

As for this ThreeFlangedDavis
The threat of armed resistance is probably sufficient in most cases to cause authoritarians in positions of power to reconsider as nobody in a democracy wants to be the one who started a gunfight with the citizenry.
I'm not convinced. For everyone's viewing pleasure, I give you a government gunfight with the citizenry (spoiler: it doesn't go well for the citizenry).

http://digg.com/video/bundy-standoff-oregon-militia

Skip to 9:14 for the action.

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I do enjoy the implication from the still-miserable Remain camp that staying in the EU - with its horrendous youth unemployment figures, poor economic growth, willingness to impose austerity on member states such as Greece, over-regulation and protectionism (via such instruments as the fucking horrible CAP) - that the UK's economic outlook wouldn't have been anything but wonderful, daaaahling, had we stayed in.

Look, it was a shitty choice: Stay in for short term stability and risk being part of a colossal economic fuck up in the long run. Or get out and risk a short - and possibly medium - term economic hit in the hope of long term stability & growth. None of us can see the future, and what we had to go on to make that choice - be it Remain or Leave - wasn't a great deal. I went for Leave, in part, because being a EU member certainly hasn't protected us from economic downturns, and that plummeting out of the ERM and refusing to join the single currency provided some evidence that lesser EU integration actually has benefitted us - despite the dire warnings of the Remain camp's much-lauded experts at the time(s). So who knows, maybe being out altogether will offer some economic relief. It's not an idea without precedent, but again - who knows?

So it's just a matter of waiting and seeing and hope shit doesn't turn out too bad - which would apply just as much had we remained. In the meantime, all these suddenly-appeared financial geniuses will no doubt continue to lecture us by the novel means of treating currency speculation as if it were a game of CoD, and that it's all about Sterling's Kill/Death ratio.

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Dave wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:The 2nd Amendment just means you have the right to arm bears, yes?

Frenchie has it right for once:

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If I wanted bear arms I would be in the gym pumpin' iron.

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Snapfingers wrote: A lot of guns and/or gunowners in Switzerland I am told. (Not a lot of hunting arguments there as the only edible wildlife is adorable dogs with small barrels of cognac.) Is there a particular historical reason for it, Kirbmarc?
Conscription.

All males who are over 20 are liable of being conscripted into the army for training, which includes weapon training. Boot camp lasts 18 to 21 weeks, so there's enough time for basic training on how to use a gun. There's also a yearly mandatory week of training, and you can keep your army-issue gun (although you have to buy your ammo, owning army-issued ammo isn't allowed unless you're using your gun in a military setting).

Most guns are used for recreational shooting (clay shooting is really popular, for example), which is actually encouraged by the government as more sniper practice.

Conscription is very popular here:
On September 22, 2013, a referendum was held that aimed to abolish conscription in Switzerland. However, the referendum failed with over 73% of the electorate voting against it, showing strong support for conscription in Switzerland.
Historically the idea behind universal male conscription and a mandatory week of military training per year was to create an army of local cantonal militias. Switzerland is a small country which borders with Germany, France and Italy, all of which had shown that they were willing to start wars and possibly target smaller neighbors.

Unlike other small countries (like Belgium, for example) Switzerland can be defended from invasion by blocking mountain passes and forcing the invaders into chokepoints, where snipers placed in inaccessible positions can cause massive casualties even in bigger armies.

Just because Switzerland is neutral this doesn't mean that other countries automatically respect its neutrality. Hitler and Mussolini both had projects to invade Switzerland, for example.

Private weapon owners have always been seen as a good way to whip up a well-trained and well-armed militia in case of necessity.

Despite high rates of ownership gun crime in Switzerland is relatively low. Gun control limits the ownership of automatic and semi-automatic weapons, but limiting the ownership of hunting rifles is seen as pointless and an invasion of the confederal government into private citizens' life, and it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

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When it was written, you had a couple of important things.

A. Most of the people would hunt for meat/ skins.( most of the population was more rural)

B. Outside of the most heavily settled areas, there was always the threat of Indian attack/ local disturbance. The govt. was too far away, the state capital could be almost a weeks travel.


In the case of Oregon, you had a handful of lions who did not have widespread popular support.

The government would have to do something so unpopular as to cause most of the populous to wish to resist it. In such a case, I find it hard to believe that the US military would fire on its own people. Sure there would be incidents, but for the most part I could see the soldiers either refusing orders or outright mutiny.

Hell even the Chinese had to bring in troops from the outer provinces and feed them propaganda to deal with Tianamin Square. ( the local troops wouldn't engage the populace)


Would this happen? No, could it happen? Sure crazier things have.

Being that some of the more vocal advocates of gun control seem to be arguing that freedom of speech is passé... Who ever thought some one would make that argument.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:The 2nd Amendment just means you have the right to arm bears, yes?
In a few words, yes. But some interpret the text as implying that "the people" should never be out-gunned by the gov't, such that "the people" could over-throw their own gov't at any time. Thus, the argument is that all laws placing any restrictions on weapons (maybe with the proviso that they not have a record) are unconstitutional, so anyone should be able to own and carry fully-automatic assault rifles, own a tank, etc.
Futurama gets it right. Billie, as for your blithe dismissal of certain weapons for hunting, why if you come upon certain species of bear in certain sizes, you'll be thanking the non-existent gods you brought a fully automatic .308 with the 30 round magazine. It's just common sense.

Just kidding. When I hunted I did the majority of my hunting in bow season, with a recurve bow, not a compound. I'm not a fan of the NRA by a long sight (pun intended.)

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It's a good list, Kirbmarc, but it only includes potentially rational reasons to vote one way or another.

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Eskarina wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
Eskarina wrote: And thankyouverymuch for deciding on the issue, anyway. No more need for discussion, f-f-f-f-f-ffffolks. Service Dog decided the matter.
You have confused me with the Brexit voters who decided the matter. If I were to declare the matter closed & flounce-- it would be reasonable to dismiss me as a petulant drama queen. But when a majority makes the same decision in a democracy, they do have the proper authority to dictate marching orders.
Nope, you claimed "Thus they were wise to break-up with you".

Bolding mine.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.

I posited that-- to me-- Aneris sounds-like the 'voice' of the EU. And if the EU is indeed that non-responsive to the actual grievances of brexit-voters... then the wise move was to walk-away rather than expend any more breath making appeals to deaf ears. How does your reply relate to what I said? I dont' get it.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Snapfingers wrote: A lot of guns and/or gunowners in Switzerland I am told. (Not a lot of hunting arguments there as the only edible wildlife is adorable dogs with small barrels of cognac.) Is there a particular historical reason for it, Kirbmarc?
Conscription.

All males who are over 20 are liable of being conscripted into the army for training, which includes weapon training. Boot camp lasts 18 to 21 weeks, so there's enough time for basic training on how to use a gun. There's also a yearly mandatory week of training, and you can keep your army-issue gun (although you have to buy your ammo, owning army-issued ammo isn't allowed unless you're using your gun in a military setting).

Most guns are used for recreational shooting (clay shooting is really popular, for example), which is actually encouraged by the government as more sniper practice.

Conscription is very popular here:
On September 22, 2013, a referendum was held that aimed to abolish conscription in Switzerland. However, the referendum failed with over 73% of the electorate voting against it, showing strong support for conscription in Switzerland.
Historically the idea behind universal male conscription and a mandatory week of military training per year was to create an army of local cantonal militias. Switzerland is a small country which borders with Germany, France and Italy, all of which had shown that they were willing to start wars and possibly target smaller neighbors.

Unlike other small countries (like Belgium, for example) Switzerland can be defended from invasion by blocking mountain passes and forcing the invaders into chokepoints, where snipers placed in inaccessible positions can cause massive casualties even in bigger armies.

Just because Switzerland is neutral this doesn't mean that other countries automatically respect its neutrality. Hitler and Mussolini both had projects to invade Switzerland, for example.

Private weapon owners have always been seen as a good way to whip up a well-trained and well-armed militia in case of necessity.

Despite high rates of ownership gun crime in Switzerland is relatively low. Gun control limits the ownership of automatic and semi-automatic weapons, but limiting the ownership of hunting rifles is seen as pointless and an invasion of the confederal government into private citizens' life, and it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.
thanks for the reply. But writing this in a public website is really stupid. For years the whole wrold thought your secret weapon was bicycles and folding pocket knives (with screwdrivers, tweezers, can openers, [insert 63 other uses].)

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Service Dog wrote:
Snapfingers wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
There are no local products. No steel industry, no car industry (that matters), no manufacturing industry on any scale that could provide anything like the needs of 60million people. In case people forgot Thatcher and Blair saw to the demise of all that shit and pandered to the Chinese by letting them flood the market with made in China crap. No skills to instantly start such stuff up again, no investment potential for anyone to want to sink money into, no resources available locally to make anything anyway. I guess there is the plane manufacture industry, can't see Fred from Colne being that keen to buy one though, when all he really wants is a cheap TV to watch the Corro Street on.

The UK became a service economy. Construction was the next biggest, but now no one has any money to build anything, and everyone is going to hold off doing anything until Brexit is all sorted in 5,6,7 years time even if they did have the money. Research was quite strong, but of course relied on EU money, so bye to that one. The biggest industry was finance, and that's all packing up and pissing off. The only thing on the up will be prices and inflation.

As for tourism, if you think flogging fish and chips with vinegar to the Tower of London tourists is going to make up for the destruction of the finance sector... well before the 23rd of June I would have called you an idiot, but now Brexiter has the same connotation.

You have accurately described the flabby state of Britain's economy. But all-that is a reason why Brexit is necessary. Telling a morbidly obese person that the road to becoming healthy is longer & harder than they realize-- isn't a good reason for them to give-up trying. Entirely the opposite: it underlies why change is so vitally important. Yes, the dealmakers best-equipped to build a sustainable national economy-- are currently whores for a finance industry which enriches their individual yuppies asses-- at the expense of their countrymen. Good riddance to international finance whorehouse. The finance yuppies can now re-ignite britain's native industry-- or else watch their standard of living plummet.

Look at Japan's post-80's boom 'lost decade'. The former fatcats who languished did-so because they kept waiting for the boom to come back on-it's-own. If they foresaw that it wasn't coming, they could have immediately turned-their-attention to retooling themselves for smaller-but-solider local prosperity.
...False analogy much? How is Britain "obese"?...
- no local products.
- No steel industry,
- no car industry (that matters),
-no manufacturing industry on any scale that could provide anything like the needs of 60million people.
-Thatcher and Blair saw to the demise of all that shit and pandered to the Chinese by letting them flood the market with made in China crap.
-No skills to instantly start such stuff up again,
-no investment potential for anyone to want to sink money into,
-no resources available locally to make anything anyway.
-The UK became a service economy.
-Construction was the next biggest, but now no one has any money to build anything
-Research was quite strong, but of course relied on EU money,
-The biggest industry was finance, and that's all packing up and pissing off
-As for tourism, if you think flogging fish and chips with vinegar to the Tower of London tourists is going to make up for the destruction of the finance sector...[/quote]

Still nonsense, if it were true. Which one of those problems has EU as its root cause? Name one.

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It's a good list, Kirbmarc, but it only includes potentially rational reasons to vote one way or another.

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Contrary to popular belief and their own propaganda, the NFA is a gum manufacturers lobby not a gun owners.

In every case where owners wanted to take a manufacturer to task for shoddy or badly designed arms, the NRA backed the manufacturer over its members every time.

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Tigzy wrote:I do enjoy the implication from the still-miserable Remain camp that staying in the EU - with its horrendous youth unemployment figures, poor economic growth, willingness to impose austerity on member states such as Greece, over-regulation and protectionism (via such instruments as the fucking horrible CAP) - that the UK's economic outlook wouldn't have been anything but wonderful, daaaahling, had we stayed in.

Look, it was a shitty choice: Stay in for short term stability and risk being part of a colossal economic fuck up in the long run. Or get out and risk a short - and possibly medium - term economic hit in the hope of long term stability & growth. None of us can see the future, and what we had to go on to make that choice - be it Remain or Leave - wasn't a great deal. I went for Leave, in part, because being a EU member certainly hasn't protected us from economic downturns, and that plummeting out of the ERM and refusing to join the single currency provided some evidence that lesser EU integration actually has benefitted us - despite the dire warnings of the Remain camp's much-lauded experts at the time(s). So who knows, maybe being out altogether will offer some economic relief. It's not an idea without precedent, but again - who knows?

So it's just a matter of waiting and seeing and hope shit doesn't turn out too bad - which would apply just as much had we remained. In the meantime, all these suddenly-appeared financial geniuses will no doubt continue to lecture us by the novel means of treating currency speculation as if it were a game of CoD, and that it's all about Sterling's Kill/Death ratio.
Bah! Thinly-veiled racism! You disgust all right thinking people!!!!1!! :naughty:

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Spike13 wrote:Contrary to popular belief and their own propaganda, the NFA is a gum manufacturers lobby not a gun owners.

In every case where owners wanted to take a manufacturer to task for shoddy or badly designed arms, the NRA backed the manufacturer over its members every time.
Part of that might be because NRA leadership is batshit crazy. They also get a lot of perks from manufacturers, but make no mistake about the crazy.

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Service Dog wrote: You have accurately described the flabby state of Britain's economy. But all-that is a reason why Brexit is necessary. Telling a morbidly obese person that the road to becoming healthy is longer & harder than they realize-- isn't a good reason for them to give-up trying. Entirely the opposite: it underlies why change is so vitally important. Yes, the dealmakers best-equipped to build a sustainable national economy-- are currently whores for a finance industry which enriches their individual yuppies asses-- at the expense of their countrymen. Good riddance to international finance whorehouse. The finance yuppies can now re-ignite britain's native industry-- or else watch their standard of living plummet.

Look at Japan's post-80's boom 'lost decade'. The former fatcats who languished did-so because they kept waiting for the boom to come back on-it's-own. If they foresaw that it wasn't coming, they could have immediately turned-their-attention to retooling themselves for smaller-but-solider local prosperity.
There's a huge problem with "reigniting native industry", though. The Chinese, the Indians and the other "emerging economies" already have manufacturing down pat, and their products are cheaper than those of the UK, because their cost of labor is far lower. Trying to compete with, say, Chinese manufacturing is incredibly hard in a world where everyone can easily buy Chinese products or relocate their business to China. You can't ask UK workers to accept the same salaries of Chinese workers: they won't do it when unemployment benefits pay them better. And you can't compete with Chinese products, neither in the international market nor, in the hand, in the local one: putting up tariffs only make everything more costly for the local buyers, and foreign products more attractive.

In a world where transportation isn't incredibly expensive and is very fast local prosperity isn't necessarily solider. You can't beat emerging economies at minimizing salaries for blue-collar workers, because your European blue-collar workers expect a living wage, unlike Chinese workers who have much lower expenses and desires.

You need to sell something which people want, either because it's very high quality manufacturing (which requires many investments in research and development, and training for highly skilled workers) or because it's not manufacturing but services.

The competition of "emerging nations" was what killed UK manufacturing, not Thatcher and Blair.

And the same thing has happened for EU workers: Polish plumbers, for example, are much cheaper to hire than British ones, and so British plumbers either have to accept lower wages, lose their jobs, or stop the influx of Polish plumbers somehow. Hence Brexit. Amog the long term effects there's the fact that people have to pay more for their plumbing, though.

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d4m10n wrote:It's a good list, Kirbmarc, but it only includes potentially rational reasons to vote one way or another.
And absolutely none of that is made up threats, apocryphal stories with that perfect twist of just-so for flavor. Nope. Because Brexit caused racism and was supported primarily by racists, uh-huh. That isn't just an embittered media hyping it up. They never do that.

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Tigzy wrote:I do enjoy the implication from the still-miserable Remain camp that staying in the EU - with its horrendous youth unemployment figures, poor economic growth, willingness to impose austerity on member states such as Greece, over-regulation and protectionism (via such instruments as the fucking horrible CAP) - that the UK's economic outlook wouldn't have been anything but wonderful, daaaahling, had we stayed in.

Look, it was a shitty choice: Stay in for short term stability and risk being part of a colossal economic fuck up in the long run. Or get out and risk a short - and possibly medium - term economic hit in the hope of long term stability & growth. None of us can see the future, and what we had to go on to make that choice - be it Remain or Leave - wasn't a great deal. I went for Leave, in part, because being a EU member certainly hasn't protected us from economic downturns, and that plummeting out of the ERM and refusing to join the single currency provided some evidence that lesser EU integration actually has benefitted us - despite the dire warnings of the Remain camp's much-lauded experts at the time(s). So who knows, maybe being out altogether will offer some economic relief. It's not an idea without precedent, but again - who knows?

So it's just a matter of waiting and seeing and hope shit doesn't turn out too bad - which would apply just as much had we remained. In the meantime, all these suddenly-appeared financial geniuses will no doubt continue to lecture us by the novel means of treating currency speculation as if it were a game of CoD, and that it's all about Sterling's Kill/Death ratio.
We're still waiting for someone to invoke Art. 50. But so far only crickets.

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Couple in pizza roll food fight sentenced to jail.

http://www.fox26houston.com/news/169955791-story

He got 60 days, she got 30.

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Service Dog wrote:
Snapfingers wrote:
...False analogy much? How is Britain "obese"?...
- no local products.
- No steel industry,
- no car industry (that matters),
-no manufacturing industry on any scale that could provide anything like the needs of 60million people.
-Thatcher and Blair saw to the demise of all that shit and pandered to the Chinese by letting them flood the market with made in China crap.
-No skills to instantly start such stuff up again,
-no investment potential for anyone to want to sink money into,
-no resources available locally to make anything anyway.
-The UK became a service economy.
-Construction was the next biggest, but now no one has any money to build anything
-Research was quite strong, but of course relied on EU money,
-The biggest industry was finance, and that's all packing up and pissing off
-As for tourism, if you think flogging fish and chips with vinegar to the Tower of London tourists is going to make up for the destruction of the finance sector...
Wouldnt these things, if true, make Britain's economy anorexic rather than obese?

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Mel McEwan gets on her high horse over a letter sent to the Guardian's "A Letter You Always Wanted to Write" section in Lifestyle, written by a pissed off husband who is drowning in his career and has been asking his wife to consider picking up the slack with a job now that "both kids have been at school full-time for years, and our firstborn is heading to college soon."

The letter is titled "A letter to … my wife, who won’t get a job while I work myself to death". McEwan has this to say about it:
This dude is real mad that his wife won't get a job. By which he means a paid job. Because if you already guessed that they have kids for whom she's the primary caregiver, give yourself a gold star!

But obviously this lady is a reeeeeeeal bitch, because she refuses to take on a second job while this guy works himself to death (!!!) in a mine. Just kidding. At a lawfirm. Because, in his own words, "I want you to work so I can get a different position and we can still maintain a similar standard of living."

Does his ungrateful wife want to maintain the same standard of living? Who knows! Who cares, amirite? The point is that this guy does, and it's his wife's duty, if she loves him, to share that goal. Or support it, even if she doesn't.

The best, bar none, response I read to this was Prof. Tressie McMillan Cottom's, on Facebook, which I'm sharing with her permission.

It's such a beautiful deconstruction, in every way, but this part is especially terrific:
Part of that "lifestyle" he's so hot to maintain are children that reflect his economic and social investment in them. Therefore, it would have to be a good school for good careers that his peers would recognize as such. Those things don't just happen. They have to be managed. As he admits to working an ungodly amount of hours and only nods minimally at "helping out" at home, it's reasonable to assume that managing that process is his wife's responsibility. And that doesn't include the transportation, networking, relationship building, scheduling required to get and keep two middle class status-striving kids in music lessons, sports teams, language lessons, tutoring, community service, orthodontist appointments, healthy eating (to maintain physical appearance of middle class, high status), and so on.
All of that sounds like a job. A job that requires his wife hang out with those friends he dismisses as ladies who lunch. Because who knows the word on the new school, new teacher, new requirements for entry into the good life if not the social circle of other parents who manage these things full time? One man's lunching lady is another man's status manager.
YES.

The dude's letter ends thus: "But mostly I want you to get a job because I want to feel loved."

If, indeed, this dude doesn't feel loved, then I wonder why it is that he's staying in this marriage. Could it be, perhaps, that he's getting something else out of it? Like someone who is managing his entire home life while he works to maintain a lifestyle he cannot abide to abandon?

In which case, maybe it should be as obvious to him—as it is to the rest of us—that his wife already has a job.
http://web.archive.org/web/201607061821 ... rbage.html

LOL she tries to make the guy sound like an entitled douche. She says its safe to assume he only helps out minimally at home because he's working long hours. She says that lunching and going to exercise classes is an important part of maintaining the facade of that middle class lifestyle that she implies is his dream and not hers, and that those things are actually important networking tools that keep the home running. She suggests that working long hours in a law firm isn't such a life-threatening deal.

Well let's "unpack" (as Melissa would say) this a bit by taking a look at the original letter, because it paints a rather different picture.
I remember the thrill of first seeing you at law school orientation. You were radiant in a sea of dour, nervous faces. It quickly became clear that you were kind, down-to-earth, engaging, loyal to family and friends. By graduation, we were inseparable. We took the bar exam and were married. The future looked bright – two freshly minted lawyers with supportive families and a dream of starting a family of our own some day.

I started my career with the gruelling hours and high stress that are traditionally visited on young lawyers. You were unexpectedly ambivalent about finding a good job – or any job. After gentle pressure from me, and more from the student loan payments, you puttered around in some non-legal positions more suited for someone with half your education and intelligence, and which offered commensurately low pay.

Pregnancy – something we both wanted – diverted you to the most important job in the world. After a few years, we were blessed with a second child. You have never returned to work, although both kids have been at school full-time for years, and our firstborn is heading to college soon...

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This is a rather different picture, as it doesn't sound like his missus was ever willing to pick up the slack, even before they had kids. And now, with two kids of school age, mornings and afternoons free up considerably, even if you have to manage the house. "Orthodontist appointments, music lessons, sports teams, language lessons, tutoring, community service, orthodontist appointments, healthy eating", none of these things are full-time jobs, although they might occasionally get in the way.

He goes on:
I’ve climbed the professional ladder reasonably well. We have the trappings of middle-class success – a nice house in a safe, quiet neighborhood; annual holidays; happy, healthy children; money saved for their college years. But it has come at enormous personal cost to me. My stress level has increased dramatically with added responsibilities at work and my health has deteriorated. People who haven’t seen me for years flinch when we meet again and I’ve attended more than one event at which I have overheard someone remarking on how much I’ve aged.

I don’t think I can do this for another 25 years. I often dream of leaving my firm for a less demanding position, with you making up any financial deficit with a job – even a modest one – of your own. I’ve asked, and sometimes pleaded, for years with you to get a job, any job. Many of my free hours are spent helping with the house and the kids, and I recognise that traditional gender roles are often oppressive, but that cuts both ways. I would feel less used and alone if you pitched in financially, even a little.

That’s not going to happen. It has become clear that you are OK with my working myself to death at a high-stress career that I increasingly hate, as long as you don’t have to return to the workforce.

You keep busy volunteering, exercising and pursuing a variety of hobbies. You socialise with similarly situated women who also choose to remain outside the paid workforce. You all complain about various financial pressures, but never once consider, at least audibly, that you could alleviate the stress on both your budgets and your burnt-out husbands by earning some money yourselves.
You know, to me that's a very different picture from the one Melissa chose to take from it. He says he's helping out with the house and kids when he's home. He acknowledges that "traditional gender roles are often oppressive", which hardly sounds like an entitled dudebro.

If indeed he's physically showing the signs of extreme stress and the tone of his letter certainly paints a picture of a man at the end of his tether, then snarking about it not being the same as working down t'pit is utterly unempathetic, especially as:
  • Lawyers suffer nearly quadruple the clinical depression rates of the average occupation, easily the highest of any occupation studied.
    In 1996, lawyers overtook dentists as the profession with the highest rate of suicide.(3)
    The ABA estimates that 15-20 percent of all U.S. lawyers suffer from alcoholism or substance abuse.(4)
    Seven in ten lawyers responding to a California Lawyers magazine poll said they would change careers if the opportunity arose


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Here's explained to her that he's at the end of his tether, and "begged" her to take a job so he can back off bit, but it seems to be falling on deaf ears, despite the fact that he works in a profession with a high depression and suicide rate. No wonder he's feeling unloved. And he's also totally aware of his middle-class privilege.
Our family is grateful for all that we enjoy and we know that we’re far more fortunate than millions who work far harder than I ever have, or will. And I know all too well that work can be unpleasant. But I don’t want you to work so I can buy a Jaguar or a holiday home. I want you to work so I can get a different position and we can still maintain a similar standard of living.

I want you to get a job so I don’t wake up in the middle of the night worrying that my career is the only one between us and financial ruin. I want you to work so our marriage can feel more like a partnership and I can feel less like your financial beast of burden. I want our daughter to see you in the workforce and I want her to pursue a career so she is never as dependent on a man as you are on me, no matter how much he loves her (and he will).
I have been in a similar situation, and what Melissa doesn't seem to understand (possibly because she doesn't pay the bills and doesn't have a spouse who gets to sit on his ass all day, posting links on his vanity blog) is that there are times, particularly when the economy is in danger of shuddering to a halt and bursting into flames, when the house and the car and the lifestyle doesn't feel like a privilege but more having to keep the lights on by running on a wildly accelerating treadmill. But you keep on going because, by god, you've got responsibilities whereas your partner has nothing but excuses.

These days I live a much simpler and happier life. My ex has had to deal with the consequences of profligate spending. I don't take any pleasure from that or wish her ill - it was just a natural outcome of the path she chose. So I apologize for the WOT, but I once I had read the original piece, I really felt for this guy. McEwan's response in favor of propping up the traditional gender roles status quo allowed her to achieve a personal best in terms of drawing the least charitable interpretation of events and in utterly lacking any trace of empathy.

Thoughtless cow that she is.

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Snapfingers wrote: thanks for the reply. But writing this in a public website is really stupid. For years the whole wrold thought your secret weapon was bicycles and folding pocket knives (with screwdrivers, tweezers, can openers, [insert 63 other uses].)
You get training for the Swiss army knife, too! :lol:

And bicycles are a actually very good mean of transportation in case of a war in Switzerland: they require minimal maintenance, are very easy to use, they're actually more reliable than tanks on steep mountain roads, and don't require fuel.

A platoon of well trained snipers which move around on bicycles and use mountain roads to get from a vantage point to another, maybe even transporting light mountain artillery and Molotov cocktails, can be a pain in the neck for an invading army.

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Feh, borked the link and the list.

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Dave wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
Snapfingers wrote:
...False analogy much? How is Britain "obese"?...
- no local products.
- No steel industry,
- no car industry (that matters),
-no manufacturing industry on any scale that could provide anything like the needs of 60million people.
-Thatcher and Blair saw to the demise of all that shit and pandered to the Chinese by letting them flood the market with made in China crap.
-No skills to instantly start such stuff up again,
-no investment potential for anyone to want to sink money into,
-no resources available locally to make anything anyway.
-The UK became a service economy.
-Construction was the next biggest, but now no one has any money to build anything
-Research was quite strong, but of course relied on EU money,
-The biggest industry was finance, and that's all packing up and pissing off
-As for tourism, if you think flogging fish and chips with vinegar to the Tower of London tourists is going to make up for the destruction of the finance sector...
Wouldnt these things, if true, make Britain's economy anorexic rather than obese?
No. My obesity analogy was set-up for comparing butthurt remain naysayers to Fat Acceptance activists. Unhealthy is unhealthy.

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Kirbmarc wrote: And bicycles are a actually very good mean of transportation in case of a war in Switzerland: they require minimal maintenance, are very easy to use, they're actually more reliable than tanks on steep mountain roads, and don't require fuel.

A platoon of well trained snipers which move around on bicycles and use mountain roads to get from a vantage point to another, maybe even transporting light mountain artillery and Molotov cocktails, can be a pain in the neck for an invading army.
My bicycle got me past the security cordon around Ground Zero, on 9/11. And thru police barricades around Times Square, on New Years Eve-- in the subsequent years. Also thru police barricades during the giant anti-Iraq invasion protest.

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Yeah, I am not hugely optimistic about the economic future of the UK, particularly as the rest of the EU doesn't seem to be in a particularly forgiving mood (and if you're the French or Germans who are footing the biggest part of the bill, why would you be when the third biggest donor welshes on the deal?

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Service Dog wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: And bicycles are a actually very good mean of transportation in case of a war in Switzerland: they require minimal maintenance, are very easy to use, they're actually more reliable than tanks on steep mountain roads, and don't require fuel.

A platoon of well trained snipers which move around on bicycles and use mountain roads to get from a vantage point to another, maybe even transporting light mountain artillery and Molotov cocktails, can be a pain in the neck for an invading army.
My bicycle got me past the security cordon around Ground Zero, on 9/11. And thru police barricades around Times Square, on New Years Eve-- in the subsequent years. Also thru police barricades during the giant anti-Iraq invasion protest.
Yup. Bicycles are fast (if you're an experienced biker) easy to use and agile. On certain steep mountain roads mountain bikes are far better than cars, tanks, trucks or other vehicles.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
d4m10n wrote:It's a good list, Kirbmarc, but it only includes potentially rational reasons to vote one way or another.
And absolutely none of that is made up threats, apocryphal stories with that perfect twist of just-so for flavor. Nope. Because Brexit caused racism and was supported primarily by racists, uh-huh. That isn't just an embittered media hyping it up. They never do that.
Thanks to Singh's Post Ref Racism website, we now have a collection of all of their reports of racism.

http://www.istreetwatch.co.uk/

I can't believe some kids yelled out "We are out of the EU now." That is racist!

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Snapfingers wrote: thanks for the reply. But writing this in a public website is really stupid. For years the whole wrold thought your secret weapon was bicycles and folding pocket knives (with screwdrivers, tweezers, can openers, [insert 63 other uses].)
You get training for the Swiss army knife, too! :lol:
And in case anyone wonders:

This is the secret Swiss army knife in question:

http://i.imgur.com/TSg0idq.jpg

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jet_lagg wrote:It's always seemed obvious to me the 2nd amendment was intended to protect the people against the authorized force of a rival or newly tyrannical government, in which case, yes, the entire thing is obsolete (it's telling that the gun rights advocates nearly always leave out the qualifier "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"). Give the people hellfire equipped drones or take away their hunting rifles. I'd be satisfied with either outcome.
Well, as much as I agree with you, we need to acknowledge the opposing view, which is that "...the right of the people..." implies a collective, not individual right. And they have a point, because other elements of the bill of rights refers to individuals, instead of the people.

With that said, the compromise that has been reached is really ridiculous. You have two absolutes: that individuals have the right to own and carry any weapon (such that they can stand up to the gov't) and that individuals have no rights to weapons at all (because only "the people" have rights to weapons). The idea that the middle between these two is that individuals can have some but not all weapon matches neither position.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Service Dog wrote: You ooze with too much disdain for the dumbest things a brexiter might argue/ in lieu of contending with brexit's strongest points. I find it easy to cast you in the role of an EU that was deaf to the grievences of britain's brexit-class. Thus they were wise to break-up with you, rather than acquiesce to your authority.
I'd love to see someone presenting a detailed breakdown of their reasons for voting or against brexit. As of right now I've heard a lot of things, but it all seems vague and unclear to me.

What I've gathered from what I've read is this (a rough scheme):

REASONS FOR BREXIT:

Concerns about staying:

a) Concerns about the competition of EU workers vs. UK workers

b) Concerns about the lack of democratic representation within the EU

c) Concerns about EU spending of the UK

d) Concerns about the weak economy of some EU members.

Hopes about leaving:

a) Negotiation of market deals with other countries (emerging economies, etc)

b) Autonomy in economical and political decisions

c) More funds to internal projects

d) More jobs for local workers

REASONS FOR BREMAIN:

Concerns about leaving:

a) Concerns about the weakening of the financial market (due to the UK's, and especially London's, role as the financial hub of the EU)

b) Concerns about the weakening of exports to the EU due to less access to the common market

c) Concerns about the lack of EU investments in some key sectors (Thunderfoot's main reason for Bremain)

d) Concerns about the lack of skilled workers from the EU, or of cheap labor from the EU

Hopes for staying:

a) Possible re-negotiation of common market deals in more favorable terms

b) Maintaining solid EU institutions

c) Maintaining the number of EU jobs

d) Maintaining the amount of EU investments

If anyone who was on one side or the other of the debate has something to correct in this list please let me know.
One of the biggest concerns for Brexiteers about staying was unrestricted immigration from the EU, doubly so in the light of Merkel's come-one, come-all welcome to asylum seekers. That was YUGE, and though related to your first point, is distinct inasmuch as it also covers non-working immigrants. If you've ever encountered a multi-month wait for critical health screening, you can probably understand.

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Eskarina wrote: We're still waiting for someone to invoke Art. 50. But so far only crickets.
Indeed. I do wish they'd hurry up. I still suspect Art 50 will never be triggered, though - the political establishment are far too in love with that spergy minecraft-style* construction otherwise known as the European project. But as I said before - they can ignore it, but at the potential cost of making UKIP's voter base a good deal larger.

*Ooh. Fascinating. It's very complicated, isn't it. What does it do?

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d4m10n wrote:It's a good list, Kirbmarc, but it only includes potentially rational reasons to vote one way or another.

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That some people have less than rational reasons for voting one way or the other is no justification for insisting that all should be tarred with the same brush. Seems we can all find edge cases - *cough jimhabegger cough* - to refute or disprove a categorical claim, but the question is what percentage of any group has a "problematic" viewpoint. Seems an SMBC cartoon put it rather well (read in 3 columns, top to bottom rather than in rows, left to right):

http://i.imgur.com/qhe95Jm.png

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Billie, as for your blithe dismissal of certain weapons for hunting, why if you come upon certain species of bear in certain sizes, you'll be thanking the non-existent gods you brought a fully automatic .308 with the 30 round magazine. It's just common sense.

Just kidding. When I hunted I did the majority of my hunting in bow season, with a recurve bow, not a compound. I'm not a fan of the NRA by a long sight (pun intended.)
I'm glad that you're kidding because hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

Of course, I'm also one of those idiots who believes that giving someone money is not a form of speech and, therefore, has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment, so take me with copious salt.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Snapfingers wrote: A lot of guns and/or gunowners in Switzerland I am told. (Not a lot of hunting arguments there as the only edible wildlife is adorable dogs with small barrels of cognac.) Is there a particular historical reason for it, Kirbmarc?
Conscription.

All males who are over 20 are liable of being conscripted into the army for training, which includes weapon training. Boot camp lasts 18 to 21 weeks, so there's enough time for basic training on how to use a gun. There's also a yearly mandatory week of training, and you can keep your army-issue gun (although you have to buy your ammo, owning army-issued ammo isn't allowed unless you're using your gun in a military setting).

Most guns are used for recreational shooting (clay shooting is really popular, for example), which is actually encouraged by the government as more sniper practice.

Conscription is very popular here:
On September 22, 2013, a referendum was held that aimed to abolish conscription in Switzerland. However, the referendum failed with over 73% of the electorate voting against it, showing strong support for conscription in Switzerland.
Historically the idea behind universal male conscription and a mandatory week of military training per year was to create an army of local cantonal militias. Switzerland is a small country which borders with Germany, France and Italy, all of which had shown that they were willing to start wars and possibly target smaller neighbors.

Unlike other small countries (like Belgium, for example) Switzerland can be defended from invasion by blocking mountain passes and forcing the invaders into chokepoints, where snipers placed in inaccessible positions can cause massive casualties even in bigger armies.

Just because Switzerland is neutral this doesn't mean that other countries automatically respect its neutrality. Hitler and Mussolini both had projects to invade Switzerland, for example.

Private weapon owners have always been seen as a good way to whip up a well-trained and well-armed militia in case of necessity.

Despite high rates of ownership gun crime in Switzerland is relatively low. Gun control limits the ownership of automatic and semi-automatic weapons, but limiting the ownership of hunting rifles is seen as pointless and an invasion of the confederal government into private citizens' life, and it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Basically, you're saying the Switzerland is the European Afghanistan.

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Cnutella wrote:Yeah, I am not hugely optimistic about the economic future of the UK, particularly as the rest of the EU doesn't seem to be in a particularly forgiving mood (and if you're the French or Germans who are footing the biggest part of the bill, why would you be when the third biggest donor welshes on the deal?
Like I said just before Brexit, a fucking protection racket.

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Eskarina wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Snapfingers wrote: thanks for the reply. But writing this in a public website is really stupid. For years the whole wrold thought your secret weapon was bicycles and folding pocket knives (with screwdrivers, tweezers, can openers, [insert 63 other uses].)
You get training for the Swiss army knife, too! :lol:
And in case anyone wonders:

This is the secret Swiss army knife in question:

http://i.imgur.com/TSg0idq.jpg
I see a screwdriver or eight, but no hammers. I wonder why on earth that might be?

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Lsuoma wrote:One of the biggest concerns for Brexiteers about staying was unrestricted immigration from the EU, doubly so in the light of Merkel's come-one, come-all welcome to asylum seekers. That was YUGE, and though related to your first point, is distinct inasmuch as it also covers non-working immigrants. If you've ever encountered a multi-month wait for critical health screening, you can probably understand.
I suspected as much. I can't say that it's an irrational point, given that Merkel's "open gates" project created some deep issues and concerns in Germany,too.

Also let's not kid yourself into thinking that Merkel's "open gates" policy was due only to humanitarian reasons: Germany has been looking for sources of cheap labor*. It's interesting to note that an "open gates" policy often means a disproportionate influx of working age males over other combinations of age and gender, even though the Islamic State disproportionately targets women.

In the end it's all a matter of controlling resources, which include labor. Ideologies and religions are simply good ways to get people to work for you for free. The problem is that many of them are often volatile and destructive to the extreme, and that many people tend to attach their personal value as a human being to their success.

*(incidentally this was one of the reasons for integrating Ukraine into NATO and gradually the EU; the Ukranians also liked the idea of finding work in Western Europe)

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Service Dog wrote:Couple in pizza roll food fight sentenced to jail.

http://www.fox26houston.com/news/169955791-story

He got 60 days, she got 30.
They haven't been convicted yet, but you still raise an interesting point. North Carolina is one of the states that classifies an assault in terms of the sex of the victim and perpetrator. If the victim is a female and the perp is a male, it's a "higher" crime than any other combination of sexes. This has even stood up on appeal.

What Beard (the guy) should do is tell the court that he identifies as female.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Billie, as for your blithe dismissal of certain weapons for hunting, why if you come upon certain species of bear in certain sizes, you'll be thanking the non-existent gods you brought a fully automatic .308 with the 30 round magazine. It's just common sense.

Just kidding. When I hunted I did the majority of my hunting in bow season, with a recurve bow, not a compound. I'm not a fan of the NRA by a long sight (pun intended.)
I'm glad that you're kidding because hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

Of course, I'm also one of those idiots who believes that giving someone money is not a form of speech and, therefore, has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment, so take me with copious salt.
No, I was addressing an earlier comment you made, or I hallucinated you made about hunting, but was too lazy to find it. Or the lack of coffee has driven me insane.

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Lsuoma wrote: Basically, you're saying the Switzerland is the European Afghanistan.
In theory, yes. Only with less crazy religious fighters. And with no burqas. :lol:

But seriously, you could apply the tactics of Afganistan to any country which is mostly made up of mountains. It's relatively easy for a local well-trained militia of mountaineer fighters to pin down big armies by using the terrain in their favor. See also the history of Kurdistan.

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Heavily forested hills and plains, and extreme cold or heat, are also good elements to use in a defensive war. See Vietnam and Finland in the Winter War.

Basically the less defensible countries are the small ones with plenty of roads and flat terrain. There's a reason why Belgium was invaded twice in two World Wars and why Denmark surrendered to a German invasion very quickly in World War Two.

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:No, I was addressing an earlier comment you made, or I hallucinated you made about hunting, but was too lazy to find it. Or the lack of coffee has driven me insane.
No hallucination. I made the same point earlier: the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. It's one of the more annoying "derails" in any conversation on the issue.

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Service Dog wrote:
No. My obesity analogy was set-up for comparing butthurt remain naysayers to Fat Acceptance activists. Unhealthy is unhealthy.
Your analogy was retarded. Your analysis was flawed. go back to reporting on dog-walking feminists instead of throwing insults at people who actually understand the EU.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: Basically, you're saying the Switzerland is the European Afghanistan.
In theory, yes. Only with less crazy religious fighters. And with no burqas. :lol:

But seriously, you could apply the tactics of Afganistan to any country which is mostly made up of mountains. It's relatively easy for a local well-trained militia of mountaineer fighters to pin down big armies by using the terrain in their favor. See also the history of Kurdistan.
So if you want to see some really awesome fighting drop a few Afghans into Switzerland and let the combat begin!

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Service Dog wrote:Couple in pizza roll food fight sentenced to jail.

http://www.fox26houston.com/news/169955791-story

He got 60 days, she got 30.
They haven't been convicted yet, but you still raise an interesting point. North Carolina is one of the states that classifies an assault in terms of the sex of the victim and perpetrator. If the victim is a female and the perp is a male, it's a "higher" crime than any other combination of sexes. This has even stood up on appeal.

What Beard (the guy) should do is tell the court that he identifies as female.
Oops.

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Snapfingers wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
No. My obesity analogy was set-up for comparing butthurt remain naysayers to Fat Acceptance activists. Unhealthy is unhealthy.
Your analogy was retarded. Your analysis was flawed. go back to reporting on dog-walking feminists instead of throwing insults at people who actually understand the EU.
That attitude is gonna keep my side winning, on every front. My betters need to remember assholes like me hold veto power over their schemes. We can do this they easy way, or the hard way. Your pick.

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NP, Dawg. And it was useful because every sex-specific assault law in the US is biased against males. It's a good example to use when you come across someone who thinks that American MRAs have no point to make.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: Basically, you're saying the Switzerland is the European Afghanistan.
In theory, yes. Only with less crazy religious fighters. And with no burqas. :lol:

But seriously, you could apply the tactics of Afganistan to any country which is mostly made up of mountains. It's relatively easy for a local well-trained militia of mountaineer fighters to pin down big armies by using the terrain in their favor. See also the history of Kurdistan.
So if you want to see some really awesome fighting drop a few Afghans into Switzerland and let the combat begin!
Wouldn't they just love that!
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Kirbmarc wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: Basically, you're saying the Switzerland is the European Afghanistan.
In theory, yes. Only with less crazy religious fighters. And with no burqas. :lol:

But seriously, you could apply the tactics of Afganistan to any country which is mostly made up of mountains. It's relatively easy for a local well-trained militia of mountaineer fighters to pin down big armies by using the terrain in their favor. See also the history of Kurdistan.
They're pretty vulnerable to dwarfs operating behind enemy lines though.

http://i.imgur.com/AkVYba2.png

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Objectification feminism, NSFW.

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Lsuoma wrote:So if you want to see some really awesome fighting drop a few Afghans into Switzerland and let the combat begin!
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The rhetorical assassin Brony has posted a Carrier length post where he attempts to psychoanalyze a troll commenter. The length of it alone is quite comical, but skimreading it I noticed a part where he tries to analyze why trolls like to mention Nerd of Redhead. The funniest part is at the end though, where he gives us this gem:
Brony the stuffed horse fucker wrote: (9) I have a long term goal of being able to identify rapists and abusers on the internet by the patterns contained in their text. I do not yet have that level of skill, but it’s become useful to point out when a person’s positions make life easier for rapists and abusers. Much useful rhetoric can be added to that substance.
Now that Carrier is restricting comments I think I have found a new place to troll.
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