Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

#301

Shatterface wrote:Shit. John Hurt has died.

Crap, why couldn't it have been William?

#302

Hunt wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Shit. John Hurt has died.
Crap, why couldn't it have been William?

Well, in terms of an acting career, William Hurt for all intents and purposes died about 25 years ago.

#303

In the 1980's southern senator Jesse Helms led the charge to de-fund the Nationsl Endowment for the Arts, citing the aptly-named 'Piss Christ' photos, Mapplethorpe's bullwhip-in-the-butthole, & Karen Finley's performance art tantrums. As a teen, I dutifully took sides, choosing "Art" over "Rednecks". I did not distinguish between Helms & Tipper Gore's PMRC attack on rock music.

Only decades later did I begin to agree that tax dollars shouldnt fund millionaire wanker artists, like Julien Schnabel... and their high-society galleries & vanity artworld. By then, NEA money had been redirected to fund 'presenters', such as ballet venues, or art-education, rather than individual artists. In some cases, this was little more than laundering the tax money, Im sure, before the same wankers obtained it.

A few days ago I listened to a podcast guest-- a mediocre 'libertarian comedian'. I agreed with one thing: he said most other comedians would be delighted to recieve a govt grant. But he was revulsed at the notion of Government Approved comedy.

The same day, a crony of mine called-- we've worked for socialite bosses & illegal graffiti stunts, together. Sometimes he's 'inspired' to a manic degree, which I find intolerable. He was in that mode... starting a hashtag in defense of the NEA budget, lest it be defunded by Trump. And he's mailing a work of art to the Whitehouse each day... and urging others to do the same. He wanted me to contribute, spread the word, share my contacts. I played Devil's Advocate, saying I think the expectation that Someone Else should fund their art-- is a major reason so many artists are awful people & stunted infants. He was inturrupted, he said "I'll call you right back!", but he never did. Manic short attention span.

Im loyal to that friend. I usually show-up to volunteer for his schemes. But he's engaging in exactly the type of protest which makes me think the protesters aren't serious or deserving of being taken seriously.

I don't like or trust Trump, but the anti-Trump movement has utterly failed to offer an incarnation with-which I'd want to be associated. Whether peaceful or disruptive.

Tonight I watched Last Knights on Netflix. Clive Owen & Morgan Freeman in a moderately-budgeted swordfight fantasy story. Game of Thrones lite. A blander '300'. Not awful, tho. Modestly good.

Basically, a corrupt Trump-guy demands bribes from the fiefdoms & the good guys resist & lose... but a ragtag band eventually strikes back. They wear black, like protesters & speak in righteous slogans. The moral of the story is some machiavellian sun tzu bushido metalhead notion that-- if you gotta let your princess get beaten into sex slavery in order to sneak in to the tyrant's palace... then okeydoke. It's Honor Porn. But, y'know, it did make the anti-Trump chumps look as formidable as The Orbit, by comparison. Crazy muslims have been offering How To Self-Radicalize lessons for a year... & then anti-trumpers choose to folloe the BlackLivesMatter/Occupy 'How NOT to win' playbook, instead.

I was a white knight, an eagle scout, a social justice 'ally', a token straight white cis guy, eager to act selflessly for those worse-off than me. But I was treated badly by the lefty, artsy, hipstery people I thought were my adopted family. So Ive become misanthropic. And disinclined to piss on their burning leotards, save them from themselves.

#304

So California is trying to run away? HAHAHAHA.

#305

rayshul wrote:So California is trying to run away? HAHAHAHA.

A small crowd of idiots have been pushing that for decades. More attention has been paid to it after Trump's election. It still will not go anywhere.

#306

rayshul wrote:So California is trying to run away? HAHAHAHA.

We're gonna need a bigger wall.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l4HnN3Tb ... /200_s.gif

#307

Vegemite isn't racist! Also its fucking awesome even though I'm from the US and we aren't supposed to like it.

[youtube][/youtube]

#308

Has anyone been following the new TV show Emerald City? And if so, is it any good?

#309

Bega Made Vegemite Australian Again.

#310

It was amazing watching Fox struggle with New-Republicanisn (Trump) in the lead up to the election. They didn't know which way to jump. They couldn't decide whether the cake was real, was theirs and whether or not it had a layer of shit-fudge on top.

It's equally amazing seeing their panels now riffing on ~~torture~~ enhanced interrogation and totally celebrating the first week. They are pigs in shit, they have winners grins. They have Hannity in the Oval Office.

Amazing.

#311

Brive1987 wrote:There's nothing weird with him. If he wasn't my dog I'd date him.

Like a Chinese?

oh wait 'date' not 'eat'

#312

Funniest bit is that Trump has brought in the most leftist politics the Republicans have ever seen.

#313

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Crating is for lazy American cunts who want the easy life, and fuck the dog's concerns. The kind of person who drops their dog off at the local shelter on their way out of town to move to a new city. Both of these behaviors were so shocking to me when I came here.

Did you have anyone particular in mind? :twisted:

#314

CommanderTuvok wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:My dog eat a reasonable portion of his industrial rubber-backed carpet square last night.

I thought he was smarter than that. I thought we had a deal.

He appears a bit more subdued this morning. I will be interested to see what comes out of him.
Hope he does crap it out. One of my uncle's dogs chewed up a load or rubber balls, and it ended in a costly visit to the vets a few days later. A few sore days after the op, the mutt was back to running around as though nothing had happened - and ALL rubber balls were put away once "play time" was over!

I've heard lots of tales of things being stuck in a dogs gut. I have stopped giving my pup rubber balls as he would just shred them and his poo ends up with lots of little coloured specks in it. I use these for him now

http://www.yourdogsneeds.co.uk/images/k ... ls_pop.jpg

He still rips them up eventually, just got to keep an eye on them really and throw things away if they are getting destroyed too easily. I've been lucky really, he's not a massive chewer. He did go for the sofa and table leg to begin with, but I kept correcting him and he's only really chewing his toys now.

#315

Too many really's in that post, really was :doh:

#316

Wow, I'm amazed at how fundamentally retarded some people are.

#317

It looks as though he would have broke that carpet tile off in little chunks Brive, is that right? If so then it should pass through quickly, let's hope so.

#318

rayshul wrote:Funniest bit is that Trump has brought in the most leftist politics the Republicans have ever seen.

That is a big part of why he won the Republican primary. He brought in voters that had been avoiding the Republican party for decades. Hopefully some of that nature rubs off and sticks.

And maybe the Democrats rethink most of their authoritarian tendencies. But that isn't looking hopeful right now.

#319

deLurch wrote:
rayshul wrote:Funniest bit is that Trump has brought in the most leftist politics the Republicans have ever seen.
That is a big part of why he won the Republican primary. He brought in voters that had been avoiding the Republican party for decades. Hopefully some of that nature rubs off and sticks.

And maybe the Democrats rethink most of their authoritarian tendencies. But that isn't looking hopeful right now.

No they are doubling down like woahhh. It's crazy! And they're getting more and more "no bad tactics just bad target"-y.

#320

deLurch wrote:
rayshul wrote:Funniest bit is that Trump has brought in the most leftist politics the Republicans have ever seen.
That is a big part of why he won the Republican primary. He brought in voters that had been avoiding the Republican party for decades. Hopefully some of that nature rubs off and sticks.

And maybe the Democrats rethink most of their authoritarian tendencies. But that isn't looking hopeful right now.

No they are doubling down like woahhh. It's crazy! And they're getting more and more "no bad tactics just bad target"-y.

#321

Fuck this double post shit

#322

Well, you did say the crazies were doubling down. ;)

#323

Oglebart wrote:It looks as though he would have broke that carpet tile off in little chunks Brive, is that right? If so then it should pass through quickly, let's hope so.

[youtube][/youtube]

#324

Hung over, at the office, on the Saturday morning is not a way to live your life son.

#325

MarcusAu wrote:[outube][outube]

"Post not thine music video, lest I rise up in anger and smite thee with vids of mine own!" - The book of Bhurzum (Vol.II Ch. 64)

[youtube][/youtube]

(It's the only one I'm posting today...honest!)

#326

Oglebart wrote:It looks as though he would have broke that carpet tile off in little chunks Brive, is that right? If so then it should pass through quickly, let's hope so.

Luckily he has done a couple of straining shits and isn't showing other signs. Little bastard :)

#327

Brive1987 wrote:Looks like Watson is already hoping someone will relieve her of the dog.

Seriously who leaves a puppy alone in public in a big city for 10 mins?

http://i.imgur.com/V0grRoV.jpg

Somebody who wouldn't exercise the dog if there were no bars in walking distance.

http://imgur.com/rlBtW0k.jpg

#328

Somebody is >this< close to achieving her dream of fucking herself.

http://imgur.com/rAHNfke.jpg

#329

Old_ones wrote:Vegemite isn't racist! Also its fucking awesome even though I'm from the US and we aren't supposed to like it.

[youtube][/youtube]

Bah, there's nothing special about Vegemite, it's just Marmite in a different jar.

*runs and hides*

#330

Trump is more left wing than any Republican before? Methinks you don't recognise fascism when you see it, and trump is most certainly a fascist. The authoritarian left you say? I say you are going to witness a real authoritarian in actual office. Trump views the branches of government through the prism of his company. He tells the middle managers what to do, they get it done. In this case the middle managers are congress, and things are going to run smoothly for a while because of the curent makeup.

The Repubs in congress are in a difficult political fix though, they know trump sees them as his bitch, they just don't have a feel for how much of their own base electorate is now trumpian.

#331

rayshul wrote:
deLurch wrote:
rayshul wrote:Funniest bit is that Trump has brought in the most leftist politics the Republicans have ever seen.
That is a big part of why he won the Republican primary. He brought in voters that had been avoiding the Republican party for decades. Hopefully some of that nature rubs off and sticks.

And maybe the Democrats rethink most of their authoritarian tendencies. But that isn't looking hopeful right now.
No they are doubling down like woahhh. It's crazy! And they're getting more and more "no bad tactics just bad target"-y.

I suspect a lot of people are thinking, "Shit ... these crazies NEARLY GOT INTO POWER!" (Or even more chillingly: "Shit, these people have BEEEN in power, educating our kids and young adults, for the past 8 years.")

It's still hard to be sure whether this feat of rock lifting by Trump is the result of a random, bumbling walk by a buffoon, or the work of an exceptionally cunning Nth dimensional Chess player, but it's certainly got the creepy crawlies pullulating for everyone to see.

#332

Za-zen wrote:Trump is more left wing than any Republican before? Methinks you don't recognise fascism when you see it, and trump is most certainly a fascist. The authoritarian left you say? I say you are going to witness a real authoritarian in actual office. Trump views the branches of government through the prism of his company. He tells the middle managers what to do, they get it done. In this case the middle managers are congress, and things are going to run smoothly for a while because of the curent makeup.

The Repubs in congress are in a difficult political fix though, they know trump sees them as his bitch, they just don't have a feel for how much of their own base electorate is now trumpian.

Enough to get Trump elected.

Yes, Trump has expressed a few authoritarian views. And people thought Obama would be better than Bush. And while he was, he still continued several policies that people disliked of Bush. We traded the devil we knew, for the devil we don't know.

Then again, we should probably take what Trump says far more seriously as he is tending to carry through on what he says. Should we wait for Clinton to go to jail at this point?

#333

Old_ones wrote:Vegemite isn't racist! Also its fucking awesome even though I'm from the US and we aren't supposed to like it.

[youtube][/youtube]

Marmite is yummier

#334

Trump isn't a nth dimensional chess player. There's a reason why brexit and Trump are two heads of the same beast. Neither were politically sophisticated, they relied on fear, othering and appealing to the base instincts of those at the bottom of the social order to cause a regressive backlash.

#335

deLurch wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Trump is more left wing than any Republican before? Methinks you don't recognise fascism when you see it, and trump is most certainly a fascist. The authoritarian left you say? I say you are going to witness a real authoritarian in actual office. Trump views the branches of government through the prism of his company. He tells the middle managers what to do, they get it done. In this case the middle managers are congress, and things are going to run smoothly for a while because of the curent makeup.

The Repubs in congress are in a difficult political fix though, they know trump sees them as his bitch, they just don't have a feel for how much of their own base electorate is now trumpian.
Enough to get Trump elected.

Yes, Trump has expressed a few authoritarian views. And people thought Obama would be better than Bush. And while he was, he still continued several policies that people disliked of Bush. We traded the devil we knew, for the devil we don't know.

Then again, we should probably take what Trump says far more seriously as he is tending to carry through on what he says. Should we wait for Clinton to go to jail at this point?

Obama was a fucking great president. Especially considering the context of what he inherited. One of the main complaints i hear from the left about Obama was that he was as hawkish as Bush, with killing people everywhere with drones. As if Obama could take office and wave a blanket of world peace with his magic wand. Fucking retards. The fact is that Obama did pull in the reigns of U.S militarism, but he inherited multiple direct conflicts, thankfully Obama was a realist/pragmatist rather than an airy fairy hippie that a lot of the retard left thought he should be.

#336

Brive1987 wrote:Looks like Watson is already hoping someone will relieve her of the dog.

Seriously who leaves a puppy alone in public in a big city for 10 mins?

http://i.imgur.com/V0grRoV.jpg

She was asked on Twitch the other night if she had got rid of her cats, her reply ... "No I still have my cats but they live in another apartment with an ex-boyfriend"

The woman is truly off her fucking rocker.

#337

shoutinghorse wrote:She was asked on Twitch the other night if she had got rid of her cats, her reply ... "No I still have my cats but they live in another apartment with an ex-boyfriend"

I can't see her still having this dog in, say, 2 years time. Perhaps it'll last just one.

Fact is, dogs give you a lot of love in exchange for food and occasional walkies, but they're not known to bring in cash or fix your computer.

#338

Za-zen wrote:Trump is more left wing than any Republican before? Methinks you don't recognise fascism when you see it, and trump is most certainly a fascist.

This list has been going around lately:

---------------------
"Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections."
---------------
On my scorecard, all but #5, 6, 8, and 14 apply to the Trump campaign/presidency thus far (and that's being rather generous to Trump on a couple of those). But who cares, so long as we can laugh at SJWs? :roll:

Source: http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

#339

If Lurch had played hockey.

http://r1.nashvillescene.com/files/base ... aa8juv.jpg

#340

Ape+lust wrote:Somebody is >this< close to achieving her dream of fucking herself.

http://imgur.com/rAHNfke.jpg

Woo-hoo! It's Richard D.James! Y'know, Aphex Twin? The blue guy in my avatar?

Fuck...

[youtube][/youtube]

https://cdn.okccdn.com/php/load_okc_ima ... 31746.jpeg

:o

#341

Za-zen wrote:The Repubs in congress are in a difficult political fix though, they know trump sees them as his bitch, they just don't have a feel for how much of their own base electorate is now trumpian.

I think it's the Republican establishment that has most of the power in this relationship. This is why I think his more liberal promises will end up a bunch of hot air, even if he really wanted to follow through on them.

It doesn't matter how much of their base is for these more liberal ideas such as infrastructure spending or trade protectionism. If Republicans just flat-out refuse to go for these things because they would upset their business interests, what's their base gonna do? Vote Democrat?

Trump's an inconvenience to the Republican party, but in the end everything's worked out in their favor. Probably better than if one of their insiders had gotten the job. They see no reason to change their policies.

#342

Za-zen wrote:Trump isn't a nth dimensional chess player. There's a reason why brexit and Trump are two heads of the same beast. Neither were politically sophisticated, they relied on fear, othering and appealing to the base instincts of those at the bottom of the social order to cause a regressive backlash.

"Othering"?!

"Those at the bottom" were being othered-out of being treated fairly by lefty elites, in favor of actual foreign Others.

Brexit & Trump treated the interests of those bottom constituents as valid.

Apparently that route to victory is too "sophisticated" for the left to manage.

#343

Service Dog wrote:"Othering"?!

"Those at the bottom" were being othered-out of being treated fairly by lefty elites, in favor of actual foreign Others.

Brexit & Trump treated the interests of those bottom constituents as valid.

Apparently that route to victory is too "sophisticated" for the left to manage.

Well said, sir!

:clap:

#344

Brexit and Trump aren't the same thing.

Nobody voted for Trump because laws in the US were being decided by the rest of the Americas.

Nobody voted for Brexit because they wanted Nigel Farage as Prime Minister.

#345

Was gonna mention this, but Pakman got there first:

I have a horrible suspicion that Trumper may be as much in the pocket of the Salafis as Hillary was. :?

#346

gurugeorge wrote:
Old_ones wrote:Vegemite isn't racist! Also its fucking awesome even though I'm from the US and we aren't supposed to like it.

[youtube][/youtube]
Bah, there's nothing special about Vegemite, it's just Marmite in a different jar.

*runs and hides*

Have tried vegemite it tastes:

A nothing like marmite
B revolting

#347

SkepticalCat wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Trump is more left wing than any Republican before? Methinks you don't recognise fascism when you see it, and trump is most certainly a fascist.
This list has been going around lately:

---------------------
"Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections."
---------------
On my scorecard, all but #5, 6, 8, and 14 apply to the Trump campaign/presidency thus far (and that's being rather generous to Trump on a couple of those). But who cares, so long as we can laugh at SJWs? :roll:

Source: http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Compare with Umberto Eco's 14 points ...
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

#348

Tigzy wrote:Was gonna mention this, but Pakman got there first:
I have a horrible suspicion that Trumper may be as much in the pocket of the Salafis as Hillary was. :?

It isn't a muslim ban so much as it is a ban on countries which export a high level of terrorism.

Of course that still doesn't necessarily drop Saudi Arabia off the list. The problem is the US still needs to import oil from them.

#349

deLurch wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Was gonna mention this, but Pakman got there first:
I have a horrible suspicion that Trumper may be as much in the pocket of the Salafis as Hillary was. :?
It isn't a muslim ban so much as it is a ban on countries which export a high level of terrorism.

Of course that still doesn't necessarily drop Saudi Arabia off the list. The problem is the US still needs to import oil from them.

Given that Saudi nationals were behind 9/11, I'd call it a pretty glaring omission. But yeah, oil. Fuck though - if you're gonna have a muslim refugee ban, then at least have the decency to stick to your principles; it's causing enough gnashing of teeth already - when it looks like fuckin oil gives some muslims a special dispensation, it appears less a seriously thought out policy and more like a cheap bit of muzzie bashing for the benefit of the guns n bibles crowd.

#350

At long last, an end to the era of Blair follies as Theresa May calls a halt to Anglo-American military adventures, writes DOMINIC SANDBROOK

Theresa May last night tore up two decades of 'failed' liberal interventionist foreign policy that has dragged Britain into disastrous conflicts.

In a break with the Blair and Cameron eras, the Prime Minister said the days of using military force to 'remake sovereign countries in our own image' were finished.

In a speech to senior US politicians, who gave her a standing ovation, she laid out rules that will see the UK intervene only when the 'threat is real' and it is in our interests to do so.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ent=safari

#351

Shatterface wrote:Brexit and Trump aren't the same thing.

Nobody voted for Trump because laws in the US were being decided by the rest of the Americas.

Nobody voted for Brexit because they wanted Nigel Farage as Prime Minister.

They are the same thing if you look at it from the point of view of the re-assertion of the sovereignty of the nation state against a forced, overweening globalism/crony capitalism, mainly driven by the regressive Left and others who see global cosmopolitanism and the destruction of national sovereignty as desirable goals.

Frexit will be a part of it too, and the other "exits" to come.

Essentially, in the long view, all that's happened is that people underestimated the vigor of the nation state and national culture. There's still some life left in the old paradigm. Another way of looking at it is this: it turns out that the nation state is the largest unit to which people can feel human-sized allegiance. Another way of looking at it is this: allegiance itself requires some contrast, some Other, one is with this lot in contrast to this other lot - that contrast would be lacking in a hypothetical One World Order.

That would only change in the case of something like, for example (to take an extreme and therefore obvious, but unlikely hypothetical) an alien invasion - only then would people feel cosmopolitan allegiance to humanity as a whole, versus this new Other. Until such a point, it looks like the nation state is here to stay, and any federation or commonality will have to develop organically.

Ironically, it looks as if the nation states emerging from all this with a renewed sense of sovereignty are likely to be more friendly and brotherly towards each other. I could see the "exit" countries forming something like the kernel of a new "united nations".

#352

Bhurzum wrote:
Service Dog wrote:"Othering"?!

"Those at the bottom" were being othered-out of being treated fairly by lefty elites, in favor of actual foreign Others.

Brexit & Trump treated the interests of those bottom constituents as valid.

Apparently that route to victory is too "sophisticated" for the left to manage.
Well said, sir!

:clap:

This is a common conflation (and a deliberate tactic by both trump and Farrage) between the genuine destructive impact of globalisation upon localised lower orders in developed countries, and low skilled foreign labour entering developed countries. The reality is that it isn't the low skilled foreign labour taking home citizens jobs, (as they generally end up doing the shittiest of the shittiest jobs that the low/no skill labour don't and won't do) the jobs just aren't ther anymore. They're gone! To fucking china, or whatever other shithole where people work for less than the price of a meal.

Trump/Brexit manipulated this into racist resentment via scapegoating, and it is scapegoating without any basis in reality, but purely reliant on pushing base human buttons.

The real problem is globalisation, I've thought for quite a while the class structures as defined within nations are obsolete, the class structure has to be understood globally now, since the economy is a global one. The working class of the US/Europe now live in india. How we resolve this is way above my pay grade.

#353

Tigzy wrote:Was gonna mention this, but Pakman got there first:

I have a horrible suspicion that Trumper may be as much in the pocket of the Salafis as Hillary was. :?

The answer to his question is "oil". Putting Saudi Arabia on that list could have economic consequences. Trump doesn't give a fuck about jihadism, that's just a ruse to fool moronic cumstains like Vicky Caramel. Trump cares about making his bank account great again.

#354

deLurch wrote:It isn't a muslim ban so much as it is a ban on countries which export a high level of terrorism.

Of course that still doesn't necessarily drop Saudi Arabia off the list. The problem is the US still needs to import oil from them.

And do those barrels of oil contain Saudi-Arabs? Can one not import barrels that do not have a sticker "Can contain traces of Arab" on them eh?

#355

I don't know whether nation states are the largest group you can feel allegiance too but they are the largest over which you can have direct democratic control.

Nobody thinks it's problematic that local councils prioritise local concerns or that residence committees prioritise the concerns of residents.

Any national government that says global concerns are more important than national concerns is lying.

#356

Re: the end of 'liberal intervention'. I want to see how the SJWs and Corbynites spin this so the stories are the bad guys.

#357

Shatterface wrote:
At long last, an end to the era of Blair follies as Theresa May calls a halt to Anglo-American military adventures, writes DOMINIC SANDBROOK

Theresa May last night tore up two decades of 'failed' liberal interventionist foreign policy that has dragged Britain into disastrous conflicts.

In a break with the Blair and Cameron eras, the Prime Minister said the days of using military force to 'remake sovereign countries in our own image' were finished.

So when is she going to close Blair's horrid faith schools?

#358

gurugeorge wrote:Ironically, it looks as if the nation states emerging from all this with a renewed sense of sovereignty are likely to be more friendly and brotherly towards each other. I could see the "exit" countries forming something like the kernel of a new "united nations".

Agree. I notice Czech also wants a Czechout and the president is a fan of Trump. Funnily enough, if the left had take an aggressive stance on Islam - which they haven't, and probably weren't likely to after Salman Rushdie back in the eighties - and done a Hitchens, we wouldn't be seeing any of this.

The United Bros. May is an honorary Bro obviously. I've been liking her and Trump together, it's quite nice to get a meet-up on the first week.

#359

Shatterface wrote:I don't know whether nation states are the largest group you can feel allegiance too but they are the largest over which you can have direct democratic control.

Nobody thinks it's problematic that local councils prioritise local concerns or that residence committees prioritise the concerns of residents.

Any national government that says global concerns are more important than national concerns is lying.

It's the economy stupid. Those who keep thinking in national terms are quite fucked, as reality has left them behind, technology has made borders irrelevant, the politics hasn't caught up to that. Perhaps Trump does have some interim solutions that will decrease the impact of Globalisation, we'll have to see, something that a lot of people don't know is that the man is a fucking economist, so he has a grasp of how the wheels turn beyond you me or most others. But the only way this gets fixed long term is a global political revolution (not an armed one you tards), which totally changes how goods and services are made/bought/sold. That requires a very very global vision rather than a narrow national one.

#360

Until the US becomes engergy independent, or is willing to bite the economic impact, chopping off Saudi Arbia just isn't an option. So yes, Saudi Arabia is getting a special dispensation just because of oil.

Global production by top 20 countries:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=20&v=88&l=en

Global consumption by top 20 countries:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=20&v=91&l=en

Oil consumption per capita per country:
http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?v=91000

Greatest consumption of oil in the US?
70% for transportation
http://alternativeenergy.procon.org/vie ... eID=001797