Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

[rayshul]

I don't think Lauren can write. Which is weird because I haven't really minded some of her articles.

[MarcusAu]

At least two of her features have been outstanding.

[Kirbmarc]

An expert simply, succinctly and informatively explains Islams approach to violence

:bjarte: :cdc:

http://www.news.com.au/world/everything ... 75f8208057

Islamist extremism is literal in its approach. There is a long history of jurisprudence behind it, tracing back at least to the 13th century. It was refined by various radical movements in the 19th and 20th centuries. It finds expression in most of the ideologies we associate with extreme acts of violence in the contemporary world. However, while it is part of the continuum of Islamic belief, you cannot say that it is part of mainstream majority jurisprudence.

Bollocks. Literalism and support for religiously-inspired violence is part of mainstream majority islamic jurisprudence. What's not "mainstream" is WHO are the targets of the violence, WHEN it must be used, and HOW it must be used.

"Peaceful" Salafi/Wahhabi still support religiously-inspired violence, they're just not convinced that an arrogant upstart like Bin Laden or an ignorant muckracker like Al-Baghadi are proper religious authorities. Even outside Wahhabism/Salafism religious violence against "the enemies of the prophet" and "according to the deliberations of a proper authority" is ALWAYS on the table, except in a minority of islamic schools who believe that the only use of violence is in self-defense or defense of others, and also for liberal reformers who accept the liberal democratic limits to violence.

The only major difference is WHO are the "enemies of prophet" and WHICH religious authority has the power to decide WHEN and HOW to use violence in the name of islam. Of course every authority believes they're the only authority with the power to decide what's right and what's wrong. Some authorities are pragmatic, with limited ambitions, and basically wish to rule over their community and keep up islamic laws, without looking any further: the range of what's a community spans from a small village to an entire ethnicity. Some authorities are more ambitious and want to unite all muslims under their authority. And some go beyond that and want to unite the entire world under their authority.

That's the main difference. If you believe that your moral authority only extends to your small village/tribe you're not going to care about the world at large, only about keeping your tribe orderly by avoiding "sin". If you believe that your region or country is the limit of your power, then you want to keep your region or country under the control of theocracy, and have systems to keep those who deviate from the True Path in line. If you believe your authority is the only one which matters in the entirety of islam you wish to deal with all those who disagree. If you want to take over the world, well, then you're the Islamic State.

In all cases all people who disagree with your rules or question your authorities are the "enemies of the Prophet", you are the "rightful authority" and violence is allowed depending on the limits to your power. A village elder/tribe leader feels entitled to use violence to punish thieves or apostates or "sinners" in general in their community (stoning adulterers is a form of violence). A religious authority in charge of a region or a country feels entitled to codify violence into institutions (like a morality police). A wannabe leader of all muslims feels entitled to use violence to crush all dissent (for example when the Saudis bomb Yemen or condemn Shias to death). And those who want a worldwide caliphate feel entitled to use violence against everyone except them, everywhere, in every shape or form.

The non-literal, liberal, reformist currents within islam NEED to interpret the text allegorically, because Mohammed USED violence more or less like Saudi Arabia is doing now, and sometimes he acted just like the Islamic State (or better yet they strive to act like he does). Non-literalism is required to reform islam from within. You need allegories and figures of speech and interpretation, just like Christians have done with lots of the bible. Because the truth is that old Mo was a conqueror, ordered raids, used terroristic tactics to get rid of his critics, and all of this is the Qu'ran or the ahadith or in the Sunna and it's described as something good as long as it's right people doing in.

"It's OK When We Do It" is integral to islamic jurisprudence. If you are legitimate leader of muslims everything is allowed to defend islam from the enemies of the faith when muslim lands are threatened.

The differences are all about who's a legitimate leader, who are the enemies, and what exactly is "muslim land".

[rayshul]

At least two of her features have been outstanding.

We need some kind of tit joke emoticon that we can use to offer polite approval. :text-goodpost:

[windy]

Just wait for all that free money and privilege to come rolling in...any second now. So much privilege...

I don't know if I'd notice the difference. ^_^

Try oppressing a minority or a female-identifying person and feel the power.

Like this?
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[windy]

Just wait for all that free money and privilege to come rolling in...any second now. So much privilege...

I don't know if I'd notice the difference. ^_^

Try oppressing a minority or a female-identifying person and feel the power.

Like this?
[youtube][/youtube]

[Linus]

The dearth of female coders can only mean oppression since women invented computer programming...and rock music.

[youtube][/youtube]

[rayshul]

Fuck me Kirb.

You need a platform bigger than the fucking pit, man.

[feathers]

Fortunately, Britain has regained its freedom with the Brexit so all this trouble will soon be thing of the past! They can now choose between a conservative candidate who wants to control the Internet, and a socialist candidate whose supporters want the same.

I honestly have no idea how you can shoehorn Brexit into the argument of Islamic terror accept of course with Brexit (assuming TM is serious about Brexit meaning Brexit) we can extradite ourselves from the disastrous European court of Human Rights and the European Court of Justice which would then give us leave to bring in our own laws in preventing returning Jihadi's from re-entering the country. Something we cannot do under current European law.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09 ... ean-court/

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... ing-europe

The European Court of Human rights has no connection to the EUROPEAN and Brexit will have no effect. However the UK wins 98% of its cases there so not disastrous (stat not checked) somehow this is mysteriously not reported by the media.

I was mostly echoing the Vicky Caramel-sentiment "without the EU we can finally make our own rules again, and everything will be alright", using the EU as bogeyman for everything that's wrong in the UK.

Firstly, major cockups like creeping sharia, publicly funded faith schools and horror scenarios like Rotherham are in no way caused or embellished by EU law. Those were entirely of Britain's own doing and can be fixed without breaking up all ties with economic allies.

Secondly, what is this new freedom worth if you still stick with politicians who are not going to use it?

Well, one thing Theresa May will do that may prove difficult under EU law is bridle the Internet, abusing the terror threat to stultify something she doesn't like or understand. Now that will make them jihadis shut up and go away!

[Kirbmarc]

Fuck me Kirb.

You need a platform bigger than the fucking pit, man.

I have a blog and a Facebook page, actually, and I've written for a few websites, but I've never linked to it here. Don't want to doxx myself, my opinions are more nuanced and better written elsewhere, the Pit is my place to unwind and post first drafts, so to speak.

[Linus]

PZ has mentioned the war.

Oh. Ok. He hasn't actually like, criticised Islamic terrorism or mentioned a specific attack. But he has blamed Pepe the Frog and Lauren Southern for it.

Baby steps.

Juan Cole has sensible ideas about what to do. You respond by strengthening the bonds within your nation in positive ways. Lashing out against your own citizens because they share a skin color or religion with the attackers is exactly what the terrorists want, while responding with empathy and bringing together targeted communities frustrates their goals. Terrorist organizations like ISIL thrive on alienation — it’s how they recruit.

You know what is a truly, deeply terrible idea?

The alt-right, under the banner of Pepe the Frog, are raising money to buy boats to intercept refugees fleeing Africa and the Middle East for Europe. They want to block a humanitarian mission — these are people who are desperate and likely to drown, and the Right says, let ’em drown.

We want to get a crew, equip a boat and set sail to the Mediterranean ocean to chase down the enemies of Europe.

I think the “enemies of Europe” are the people who want to let human beings die, and are unable to see that rescuing people and supporting them is a way to make friends, not enemies.

Meanwhile, in America, jingoistic buffoons are staging a pro-fascism rally in Portland. It seems the prerequisites to being a “star” of that movement are to be loud and inarticulate, and wear a goofy, attention-grabbing costume: “Based Trojan”, “Based Stick Man”, etc., where you can see that another prerequisite is to use 4chan-style memes. These people are my enemies, who are aiding terrorists. Who are terrorists themselves.

If only someone would criticize Islamic terrorism. :^)

I agree with him that lashing out against one's own citizens who share a skin color and/or religion with the attackers is what the terrorists want. It helps with recruitment. Then he goes and calls all of the Portland "Pro Free Speech / Pro Trump / Whatever the hell they were" protesters fascist terrorists, which is, of course, completely ridiculous. The story about far-right activists trying to block a humanitarian mission (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -boats-med), that he mentions, does seem pretty fucked up, though.

[Linus]

Why do some people have green names? Can I have one? I like green.

[rayshul]

Fuck me Kirb.

You need a platform bigger than the fucking pit, man.

I have a blog and a Facebook page, actually, and I've written for a few websites, but I've never linked to it here. Don't want to doxx myself, my opinions are more nuanced and better written elsewhere, the Pit is my place to unwind and post first drafts, so to speak.

Well shit why isn't your alter ego famous mate
Glad you is out there

[MarcusAu]

Why do some people have green names? Can I have one? I like green.

I think you have to either perform a service of outstanding service to the pit.

Or be popular and /or trusted enough that the FT gives you admin rights.


A brief survey of your recent posts make me think you will never get there.

Sorry Linus :(

[Kirbmarc]

I was mostly echoing the Vicky Caramel-sentiment "without the EU we can finally make our own rules again, and everything will be alright", using the EU as bogeyman for everything that's wrong in the UK.

Firstly, major cockups like creeping sharia, publicly funded faith schools and horror scenarios like Rotherham are in no way caused or embellished by EU law. Those were entirely of Britain's own doing and can be fixed without breaking up all ties with economic allies.

Secondly, what is this new freedom worth if you still stick with politicians who are not going to use it?

Well, one thing Theresa May will do that may prove difficult under EU law is bridle the Internet, abusing the terror threat to stultify something she doesn't like or understand. Now that will make them jihadis shut up and go away!

Theresa May also supports Saudi Arabia, just like Donnie Trump. Then again, who isn't? Faceman Trudeau the Leftist Heart-rob, the Italians, even Germany, they all co-operate with the Saudis and sell them weapons or supplies. This goes beyond left or right, it's an issue of US and NATO policies in general, and of the "only Iran sucks" strategy of allies of Israel in the Middle East.

I have no strong opinion on Brexit. I think that it's the right of the British people to exit from the EU if they want to, and I think that the EU has a lot of issues (too much influences of Big Business and Big Finance, Germany and their closest allies having way too much influence with no strong counterbalance, lack of accountability for the European Commission, a confused foreign and immigration policy, etc.)

I understand both arguments for staying and reforming things or leaving and facing issues on your own.

But if people believe that all the troubles with islam are due to the EU, and that by leaving and putting May in charge they'll magically sort themselves out then they're seriously deluded, or retarded, or both. Especially since May has no coherent strategy to face the growth of an anti-western message infiltration in muslim communities and thinks that internet censorship is the way.

I hope that whoever wins the UK election will due a good job, because that's what I hope for every liberal democracy.

I'm not cynical enough to cheer when someone I don't like screws up a nation. For example I don't like Macron, he's far too friendly with some islam supremacists, but I hope he'll distance himself from them and do a good job for France. I didn't like LePen, either, for different reasons.

I dislike both Theresa May and her authoritarian, ineffectual approach to politics more concerned with fox hunting and internet porn than with fixing real issues, and Jeremy Corbyn and his naivety, ideological stubbornness and Regressive Leftist tendencies.

Whoever wins and becomes the political leader of the UK will have to face the same issues with islam, and react to them. An election gives you a leader and maybe a strategy, not different problems. I hope that the next leader of the UK will be able to step up, face the issues of ghettoization, Salafi infiltration, lack of integration, etc. and act in the best possible way to reduce issues and try to fix things.

[Kirbmarc]

I was mostly echoing the Vicky Caramel-sentiment "without the EU we can finally make our own rules again, and everything will be alright", using the EU as bogeyman for everything that's wrong in the UK.

Firstly, major cockups like creeping sharia, publicly funded faith schools and horror scenarios like Rotherham are in no way caused or embellished by EU law. Those were entirely of Britain's own doing and can be fixed without breaking up all ties with economic allies.

Secondly, what is this new freedom worth if you still stick with politicians who are not going to use it?

Well, one thing Theresa May will do that may prove difficult under EU law is bridle the Internet, abusing the terror threat to stultify something she doesn't like or understand. Now that will make them jihadis shut up and go away!

Theresa May also supports Saudi Arabia, just like Donnie Trump. Then again, who isn't? Faceman Trudeau the Leftist Heart-rob, the Italians, even Germany, they all co-operate with the Saudis and sell them weapons or supplies. This goes beyond left or right, it's an issue of US and NATO policies in general, and of the "only Iran sucks" strategy of allies of Israel in the Middle East.

I have no strong opinion on Brexit. I think that it's the right of the British people to exit from the EU if they want to, and I think that the EU has a lot of issues (too much influences of Big Business and Big Finance, Germany and their closest allies having way too much influence with no strong counterbalance, lack of accountability for the European Commission, a confused foreign and immigration policy, etc.)

I understand both arguments for staying and reforming things or leaving and facing issues on your own.

But if people believe that all the troubles with islam are due to the EU, and that by leaving and putting May in charge they'll magically sort themselves out then they're seriously deluded, or retarded, or both. Especially since May has no coherent strategy to face the growth of an anti-western message infiltration in muslim communities and thinks that internet censorship is the way.

I hope that whoever wins the UK election will due a good job, because that's what I hope for every liberal democracy.

I'm not cynical enough to cheer when someone I don't like screws up a nation. For example I don't like Macron, he's far too friendly with some islam supremacists, but I hope he'll distance himself from them and do a good job for France. I didn't like LePen, either, for different reasons.

I dislike both Theresa May and her authoritarian, ineffectual approach to politics more concerned with fox hunting and internet porn than with fixing real issues, and Jeremy Corbyn and his naivety, ideological stubbornness and Regressive Leftist tendencies.

Whoever wins and becomes the political leader of the UK will have to face the same issues with islam, and react to them. An election gives you a leader and maybe a strategy, not different problems. I hope that the next leader of the UK will be able to step up, face the issues of ghettoization, Salafi infiltration, lack of integration, etc. and act in the best possible way to reduce issues and try to fix things.

[Brive1987]

Anyone got an opinion on whether you would 'let' a 20 year old son go to Dubai for 3 weeks work experience. (If you actually had the power that is)

[MarcusAu]

At least two of her features have been outstanding.

We need some kind of tit joke emoticon that we can use to offer polite approval. :text-goodpost:

I have no idea what you are trying to insinuate.

All I was doing was commenting on the quality of her articles.

[Brive1987]

Why do some people have green names? Can I have one? I like green.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/imag ... Xu05Lbrpgp

[deLurch]

Fuck me Kirb.

Less than 24 hours as a white male and Rayshul is already demanding everyone sexually service him. You are coming along quite well.

[Kirbmarc]

If only someone would criticize Islamic terrorism. :^)

I agree with him that lashing out against one's own citizens who share a skin color and/or religion with the attackers is what the terrorists want. It helps with recruitment. Then he goes and calls all of the Portland "Pro Free Speech / Pro Trump / Whatever the hell they were" protesters fascist terrorists, which is, of course, completely ridiculous. The story about far-right activists trying to block a humanitarian mission (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -boats-med), that he mentions, does seem pretty fucked up, though.

Myers is a complete idiot, just as usual, but many in the Right aren't any less stupid. Nobody actually researches the issue, or listen to people who know about the issue, except for a selected few who don't matter. The only prominent political figure that I've seen talking about the role of Saudi-sponsored Salafis in the increasing radicalization and ghettoization of muslim communities in the west is Tulsi Gabbard.

The usual carousel after terrorist attacks is that the left blames the right, the right blames the left, the left blames the Evil West, the right blames anyone who's not them. And nothing of value is said.

Nobody points their finger where it should be pointed, at the people who actually spread ideas that create fertile ground for terrorism, at those who pay them, train them, educate them. Nobody wants to "upset the Saudis".

Even those who acknowledge their role is the shaping of the muslim supremacist movements (like the New York Times did in lthis article) say that yes the Saudis (and other GCC countries, like Qatar, the UAE, Bahrein, Kuwait, Oman) are partly responsible for terrorism and islamization but they're also our "allies" against terrorism, when they only thing that those countries are doing about terrorism is make sure that it doesn't target them, covering their own asses.

If we treated the Saudis and the GCC countries like we treat Iran, while still treating Iran like we now treat Iran, the troubles with islam wouldn't disappear, of course, but they'd be far better to manage. With no Saudi and GCC funds the foreign Salafi imams in the west could be isolated and forced to leave, or leave on their own since they have no steady paychecks. Then the "Western" countries could focus on gradually secularizing their muslim communities, bring muslim kids to non-religious schools, promote the TRULY liberal muslim imams, and deal with other issues in a more rational fashion.

[KiwiInOz]

Damn I love this place. High brow. Low brow. Mono brow. We have it all.

[MarcusAu]

Damn I love this place. High brow. Low brow. Mono brow. We have it all.

What do you mean Mono brow?

I'm using IE, Firefox and Chrome.

[feathers]

Damn I love this place. High brow. Low brow. Mono brow. We have it all.

And pussy!

[youtube][/youtube]

[paddybrown]

Although I think a Jeremy Corbyn/John McDonnell government would turn the UK into a Venezuela-style basket case in five years, a continued Theresa May government isn't much more appealing. She has to have run the single worst election campaign that has ever been run in the whole history of election campaigns, and that includes Hillary Clinton's.

At the start of the campaign, the Daily Mash ran a piece entitled "May considering bringing back workhouses for a laugh":

THERESA May is so confident of her election victory that she is toying with bringing back workhouses just because she could.

The prime minister has commissioned a feasibility study into reintroducing Dickensian workhouses for the poor simply because nobody can come close to stopping her.

She contined: “Treadmills, debtor’s prisons, why not? Maybe public hangings. It’s open season for us.

“I didn’t get into politics to become a monstrous right-wing ideologue, but come on. This is what happens when you have literally no opposition.

“Maybe I’ll abolish pensions as well. And child labour laws. And the universal franchise. I’m confident everyone would vote for me regardless.

“I’m sick of pretending to take this election seriously. It’s in the bag. Let’s have some fun.”

And that's pretty much what she's done. She's assumed it's in the bag, refused to appear on TV debates, and her major policy announcements have been things like bringing back fox hunting and cuts in social care for the elderly. And the Tories' poll lead has been cut to single figures!

[shoutinghorse]

Anyone got an opinion on whether you would 'let' a 20 year old son go to Dubai for 3 weeks work experience. (If you actually had the power that is)

I'm sure he'll be made very welcome by our Arabian friends ... He's not Indian is he :?

[youtube][/youtube]

[Keating]

Anyone got an opinion on whether you would 'let' a 20 year old son go to Dubai for 3 weeks work experience. (If you actually had the power that is)

A friend of mine worked for an engineering company in Dubai for a couple of years. I visited him there for about 18 hours on my way to Europe. It is the most decadent place on earth I have ever been. All surface, no substance. Full of degenerate ex-pats like my friend too. If I never go back there again, I can die happy on my deathbed.

[Keating]

Although I think a Jeremy Corbyn/John McDonnell government would turn the UK into a Venezuela-style basket case in five years, a continued Theresa May government isn't much more appealing. She has to have run the single worst election campaign that has ever been run in the whole history of election campaigns, and that includes Hillary Clinton's.

The lesson to take away from the US, French and UK elections is that women should not be allowed to run election campaigns.

[windy]

The story about far-right activists trying to block a humanitarian mission (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -boats-med), that he mentions, does seem pretty fucked up, though.

The "humanitarian mission" is a massive people-smuggling operation with EU governments and aid agencies acting as enablers. A regular person would likely get sued for human trafficking if they did what these governments and NGOs are doing.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/are ... smugglers/

A sane person would assume that the 181,436 migrants (a new record) who made it by sea to Italy last year had done so under their own steam in flimsy fishing boats and dinghies at least some of the way across the Mediterranean. This, after all, is the message aid agencies and governments put out.

In fact, every one of those 181,436 was picked up by EU and non-government aid-agency vessels off the Libyan coast just outside the 12-mile territorial limit, then ferried across to Europe. The people-smuggler boats — more often than not these days dangerously unseaworthy rubber dinghies — chug out towards the 12-mile limit, send out a distress signal, and Bob’s your uncle.

[Hunt]

Damn I love this place. High brow. Low brow. Mono brow. We have it all.

https://www.freevector.com/uploads/vect ... enbrau.jpg

I always thought lowenbrau was a shitty American beer. True story.

[Brive1987]

This doesn't make me happy.

[paddybrown]

Also, what is it with young women and ridiculous inch-thick drawn-on eyebrows?

One day I may have lawn. And then I will insist you get off it.

[CommanderTuvok]

FfTB is down again.

:lol:

There's nothing quite like getting up in the morning, reading about FfTB's onoing problems, and getting aroused.

[Spike13]

The dearth of female coders can only mean oppression since women invented computer programming...and rock music.

[youtube][/youtube]

not a Gibson guy, but that SG is sweet! excellent taste.

[deLurch]

Someone's going back to jail soon fast.

[youtube][/youtube]

[MarcusAu]

Also, what is it with young women and ridiculous inch-thick drawn-on eyebrows?

One day I may have lawn. And then I will insist you get off it.

You seem quite conflicted in both in this post and your one on Theresa May. I think it may be something to do with your being Northern Irish and thus identifying as both Irish and British. In fact this has been diagnosed as an syndrome - IBS for short.

[Kirbmarc]

Although I think a Jeremy Corbyn/John McDonnell government would turn the UK into a Venezuela-style basket case in five years, a continued Theresa May government isn't much more appealing. She has to have run the single worst election campaign that has ever been run in the whole history of election campaigns, and that includes Hillary Clinton's.

At the start of the campaign, the Daily Mash ran a piece entitled "May considering bringing back workhouses for a laugh":

THERESA May is so confident of her election victory that she is toying with bringing back workhouses just because she could.

The prime minister has commissioned a feasibility study into reintroducing Dickensian workhouses for the poor simply because nobody can come close to stopping her.

She contined: “Treadmills, debtor’s prisons, why not? Maybe public hangings. It’s open season for us.

“I didn’t get into politics to become a monstrous right-wing ideologue, but come on. This is what happens when you have literally no opposition.

“Maybe I’ll abolish pensions as well. And child labour laws. And the universal franchise. I’m confident everyone would vote for me regardless.

“I’m sick of pretending to take this election seriously. It’s in the bag. Let’s have some fun.”

And that's pretty much what she's done. She's assumed it's in the bag, refused to appear on TV debates, and her major policy announcements have been things like bringing back fox hunting and cuts in social care for the elderly. And the Tories' poll lead has been cut to single figures!

Hubris: excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance.

The ancient Greek believed it was the source of all evils. Maybe not, but certainly it's the cause of a lot of stupid moves.

[Kirbmarc]

This doesn't make me happy.

https://rlv.zcache.com/queen_victoria_w ... vr_324.jpg

[rayshul]

Holy fucking shit.

That Tommy Robinson video.

Basically all I'm saying these days is holy fucking shit. What the fuck is wrong with the UK.

[John D]

Anyone got an opinion on whether you would 'let' a 20 year old son go to Dubai for 3 weeks work experience. (If you actually had the power that is)

The probability of being hurt going to Dubai is low the the probability of being killed in a car crash or getting shot in a big American city. I say go for it. Right? I am no expert, but I read that the chances of being killed by lightning is higher than the chance of being killed by terror in the US. I suspect this is pretty much the case elsewhere except for really hot war zones like Syria. My German exchange student (who is now 25 years old) went to Dubai two years ago and had a great time. And she's a chick.

[John D]

Hubris: excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance.

The ancient Greek believed it was the source of all evils. Maybe not, but certainly it's the cause of a lot of stupid moves.

It takes more than "just" Hubris. It also requires "Fate". Hubris + Fate = Tragedy. But.. yeah... you are pretty much correct.

[shoutinghorse]

Holy fucking shit.

That Tommy Robinson video.

Basically all I'm saying these days is holy fucking shit. What the fuck is wrong with the UK.

Most of us Brits have been living with this shit for years, a lot have spoken up against it and have been continually shut down and shouted down with accusations of being 'Racist' by the political and media liberal elite. even now as I'm typing this the BBC news are live from Borough Market giving us a diatribe of various religious leaders calling for love, tolerance and embracing diversity and multiculturalism. This is what we're up against time and time again, a complete unwillingness to understand what years of ignoring the elephant in the room have brought us to. Now after the terror we've been warning would happen is actually happening people are fucking angry. Angry at our infective leaders and our virtue signalling press & media. If the next Govt. don't get a grip of this and fast, the people will. There is a tinder box just waiting to be lit.

[Suet Cardigan]

It seems that I discover a new moron on Twitter almost every day:

There have only been four female terrorists ever. FFS. The Baader Meinhof gang alone had a dozen female members.

[jet_lagg]

Fuck me Kirb.

You need a platform bigger than the fucking pit, man.

I have a blog and a Facebook page, actually, and I've written for a few websites, but I've never linked to it here. Don't want to doxx myself, my opinions are more nuanced and better written elsewhere, the Pit is my place to unwind and post first drafts, so to speak.

The bigger his audience, the bigger the very real target on his back will become.

[jet_lagg]

Anyone got an opinion on whether you would 'let' a 20 year old son go to Dubai for 3 weeks work experience. (If you actually had the power that is)

A friend of mine worked for an engineering company in Dubai for a couple of years. I visited him there for about 18 hours on my way to Europe. It is the most decadent place on earth I have ever been. All surface, no substance. Full of degenerate ex-pats like my friend too. If I never go back there again, I can die happy on my deathbed.

Could you elaborate? I heard the same from a supervisor once ("It's just prostitutes. That's the whole city. Everything is fake.")

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I see WONDER WOMAN accurately presents Greek mythology, WWI history, early aviation, and chemistry, so how bad could it be?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451279/syn ... tpl_pl_syn

Plus, it properly shows Germans as proto-nazi genocidal evil bastards during WWI. I mean, Germans are just rotten to the core, always have been, always will be. Dave Doo Doo was right.

[feathers]

The story about far-right activists trying to block a humanitarian mission (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -boats-med), that he mentions, does seem pretty fucked up, though.

The "humanitarian mission" is a massive people-smuggling operation with EU governments and aid agencies acting as enablers. A regular person would likely get sued for human trafficking if they did what these governments and NGOs are doing.

Still, it has the putrid stench of vigilante justice.

[Sulman]

Anyone got an opinion on whether you would 'let' a 20 year old son go to Dubai for 3 weeks work experience. (If you actually had the power that is)

A friend of mine worked for an engineering company in Dubai for a couple of years. I visited him there for about 18 hours on my way to Europe. It is the most decadent place on earth I have ever been. All surface, no substance. Full of degenerate ex-pats like my friend too. If I never go back there again, I can die happy on my deathbed.

Could you elaborate? I heard the same from a supervisor once ("It's just prostitutes. That's the whole city. Everything is fake.")

I grew up there. It's changed almost entirely since my time, but I don't doubt it's fundamentally similar. It's safe, spotless, very wealthy, and full of expats. You could spend most of your day and never speak to a local. It's a bit like Hong Kong, or any prototypical world trade city. There's something for everyone.

This creates an illusion that it's like the West; it is not. Step out of line - in the manner a 20yr old might - and you can be in the deepest of shit.

Aside from that, I'd say go for it. Good money, good living. A fun place for anyone.

[Keating]

Anyone got an opinion on whether you would 'let' a 20 year old son go to Dubai for 3 weeks work experience. (If you actually had the power that is)

A friend of mine worked for an engineering company in Dubai for a couple of years. I visited him there for about 18 hours on my way to Europe. It is the most decadent place on earth I have ever been. All surface, no substance. Full of degenerate ex-pats like my friend too. If I never go back there again, I can die happy on my deathbed.

Could you elaborate? I heard the same from a supervisor once ("It's just prostitutes. That's the whole city. Everything is fake.")

In many ways, it's a city of the modern times, and perfect for if you like the cosmopolitan lifestyle. It has absolutely no history, and very little in the way of culture. It's what would happen if Trump's interior designer was an architect on the side. Many of the buildings are built with slave labour. Many of the most technically, if not aesthetically, ambitious projects are abandoned and rapidly fall into ruin in the harsh environment. It's the worst aspects of modernity without any of the charm that old money roots provides. The ex-pat community has a very "live fast, die young" attitude, as they make a shit load of money, but there's very little of value to spend it on except the immediate hedonistic ones. My friend was always the more, shall we say, adventurous type, but even he found it a shit hole and was doing his time there so he could make enough quickly to afford property in the UK.

[MarcusAu]

From what I've heard everything is OK until it's not.

The example being people getting into trouble with dept, not being able to declare bankruptcy, and actually ending up in jail.

Not sure if that was UAE or Dubai though.

[AllanW]

Most of us Brits have been living with this shit for years, a lot have spoken up against it and have been continually shut down and shouted down with accusations of being 'Racist' by the political and media liberal elite. even now as I'm typing this the BBC news are live from Borough Market giving us a diatribe of various religious leaders calling for love, tolerance and embracing diversity and multiculturalism. This is what we're up against time and time again, a complete unwillingness to understand what years of ignoring the elephant in the room have brought us to. Now after the terror we've been warning would happen is actually happening people are fucking angry. Angry at our infective leaders and our virtue signalling press & media. If the next Govt. don't get a grip of this and fast, the people will. There is a tinder box just waiting to be lit.

I have to say that this prospect, once very, very remote in our easy-going and ignorant society, now looks distinctly closer as a possibility. Two terror events so close together along with a massive hand grenade waiting in the wings to go off (called muslin grooming gangs; latest figures? 2,000+ legal cases in 74 cities with 20,000+ girls involved over 2 decades) sit alongside continuing and worsening economic inequality (always the condition which sparks discord). It is no longer fanciful to speculate that things could 'kick-off', as we old people opine.

[shoutinghorse]

People in Britain are pissed off and have been for a very long time.

#prayforlondon


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[Tigzy]

Although I think a Jeremy Corbyn/John McDonnell government would turn the UK into a Venezuela-style basket case in five years, a continued Theresa May government isn't much more appealing. She has to have run the single worst election campaign that has ever been run in the whole history of election campaigns, and that includes Hillary Clinton's.

The lesson to take away from the US, French and UK elections is that women should not be allowed to run election campaigns.

But Trump's campaign was run by a woman too, Kellyanne Conw-

- oh

...hmmm.

I fear I have not quite made the point I was hoping to make.

[Kirbmarc]

Fuck me Kirb.

You need a platform bigger than the fucking pit, man.

I have a blog and a Facebook page, actually, and I've written for a few websites, but I've never linked to it here. Don't want to doxx myself, my opinions are more nuanced and better written elsewhere, the Pit is my place to unwind and post first drafts, so to speak.

The bigger his audience, the bigger the very real target on his back will become.

I COULD deal with that if I believed that I could change things, open eyes, make people think, not just preach to the choir. But I'm not that arrogant, I don't think that "my writing stops all rational debate" :lol: . I'm not that great of a writer, I'm not that famous, I'm actually awful when it comes to dealing with media pressure, I'm not an incredibly charismatic person, I'm not a politician.

Still I'm doing something on the side, at least at a local level (I won't say more, this is borderline self-doxxing :lol: ) but I need to separate my public life from my private internet life. There's a lot of stuff in here which some people might use against me.

Also I'm not saying anything new actually, Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Ali Rizvi are pretty much saying the same things as I do, along with (from his own perspective as a reformer) Maajid Nawaz and yet the Regressive Left still exists.

Hirsi Ali spelled it out for everyone to see, she's an excellent writer, far more charismatic than me, with a far more compelling life story and political clout. She was a potential Fifth Horseman of atheism. But the Regressives have cast her aside like a leper and have preferred drinking the kool-aid of the Honor Brigades of muslim women defending islam because they love being pampered by their toilet slave husbands, since they're "Good Muslim Women" who accept the trade-off of being genitally mutilated and treated like object in exchange for not having to work or be an autonomous individual with personal responsibilities.

The Regressive Left prefers listening to people like Mo Ansar or Linda Sarsour, Muslim Brotherhood shills who defend the worst of islam while claiming to be "moderates" because they claim to be against ISIS (Sarsour might actually be against ISIS since she's obviously paid by the Saudis and ISIS is a mad dog now, Ansar...I don't know).

The Regressives have refused to listen to Hirsi Ali, have supported hatchet jobs on Maajid Nawaz, have kissed the ass of a fan of Saudi Arabia and let her be in charge of a "Women's March", go gaga for "Muslim rappers" (90% of the time former criminals who have now "found Allah" and propagate Muslim Brotherhood propaganda) and weep for the Poor Innocent Muslims who are Always Victims, with no responsibility for stopping terrorism or changing islam.

We know why this happens. As Hirsi Ali has written:

In liberal societies, those on the left [are] in the grip of identity politics. This fascination is not caused by the Islamists, but the Islamists exploit it.

“If you’re going to divvy society up into segments, based on their biological attributes such as, ‘you are gay, you are female, you are male, you are this that and the other’, and then only gay people are allowed to criticise other gay people, and only Jewish people are allowed to criticise other Jewish people, and only women are allowed to criticise other women, and on and on, you end up with a divided society.”

Islamists have used the weakness of the left for identity politics to sponsor all-around buffoons like Reza Aslan, complete cunts like Nathan Lean, wastes of space and failures at life like CJ Werleman, disingenuous, naive "useful idiots" like Rula Jebreal, and countless others.

They've exploited the historic links between the left and the Palestinian liberation movements to make commie morons think that it's only the Oppressive West which causes a "reaction" from Oppressed Muslims. They've create powerful lobbies, funded faith schools, trained preachers, etc. etc. They've grabbed the Regressive Left by the pussy, and the Regressive Left has let them do it.

I'm not arrogant enough to believe I can change all of this. The best I can do is reveal things to those who already have a clue about what's going on and aren't blinding themselves to reality. I've talked with countless people of all political, religious, societal beliefs about islam.

I've pointed out the role of the Saudis to the leftists (and even some Regressives have agreed with me!) and discussed the role of faith schools to the people on the right wing (even to some real racists, people who talked about sinking ships full of immigrants and about how much non-white people look like monkeys) and got them to at least admit that they didn't know about what I was saying. But nothing in them has changed, they've kept their ideas, I've just momentarily gotten some of them to consider an alternative point of view.

I've talked about the need for civic nationalist, for a society that welcomes in immigrants and secularizes them by example, like it has happened to me. I've talked about the need for a more just society in general, where institutions work well for everyone, where freedom of speech is protected for everyone, where people are welcomed in if they're willing to work their ass off to integrate, if they prove their worth.

I've talked with muslims (while pretending to be a muslim myself, which isn't hard) about the need to really fit in, to open their minds to the "west" instead of judging it as decadent and immoral, to stop believing in bullshit conspiracy theories about the Jews, to be angry at specific racist people, not at the entire country they live in, to fight for reforming islam and other institutions from the inside, and I've done this carefully, by choosing the right words, by trying to get them to agree to things gradually, slowly, by pointing out the best part of the "western" traditions and laws, by explaining how the flaws in the "west" were faced throughout history, what led to the establishment of secularism (from the Thirty Years War to the French Revolution), etc.

I've talked with christians about how much christianity improved thanks to secularism, and how much they can help islam to improve by example. I've talked with jews about how insularity hasn't worked out so well for them, and about how much everything has improved for them once they fit within a larger society, and how ghettoes are having a negative influence on islam. I've talked with atheists about how much it's important to fight for secularism, for a compromise between private religion and religiously indifferent institutions instead of just laughing at those who held private beliefs or "trying to spread atheism" by alienating the already secular and liberal believers.

Hell, I'm willing to talk with SJWs and Regressives about how their tactics are undermining their own values, and how much good they could do for their goals if they changed their epistemology and tactics. Of all groups I've talked with SJWs and Regressives are two of the most bigoted and close-minded ones: they block you out the moment you say something they don't like.

Even many muslims are more open to dialogue (as long as you know how to avoid the big red buttons of Mohammed and the Qu'ran). At least many muslims are willing to believe that they, as people, are fallible, even if they believe Mohammed and the Qu'ran to be infallible. Many SJWs and Regressive simply don't want to listen to anything that comes even remotely close to criticism.

Even among SJWs/Regressives there are exceptions, and I've discussed things with Aratina, or Trav Mamone, or Ashley Miller, or even with Miri Mogilevski. I've even tried to reach out to Stephanize Svan and Adam Lee, but they've refused to even talk, because the Mark of Pit was too strong for them. Oh well.

Of course I've used different words and approaches with different people. There are things I've said here that would have made people beat me up (at best) in real life.

But even so, I'm far aware I've fucked up plenty of times, that I've failed to convince anyone of anything, and that the best I can do is a) preach to the choir and b) get people to consider an alternative point of view...if they're willing to interact with me. I know I have learnt A LOT from interacting with others, and the Pit is no exception.

I'd love to think that I can do something good for the world...but I'm not arrogant enough to believe that it amount to anything more than making someone think "uh, this is interesting".

[Lsuoma]

So, any thoughts on the Qatar news? (looking at you, KM...)

[Sulman]

Not sure if that was UAE or Dubai though.

Same difference, in terms of this. Specifically during the '08 crisis a lot of people simply fled, leaving their cars at the airport, because it was possible they would end up in jail having lost their jobs and any means to pay their way.

Like anywhere, it's prudent to recognise what you can or can't do.

[Kirbmarc]

So, any thoughts on the Qatar news? (looking at you, KM...)

The words "pot calling the kettle black" come to mind.

More seriously the Saudis, al-Sisi in Egypt, Bahrain and the UAE are now financing some specific groups in Syria (likely only Jayish al-Islam and the Free Syrian Army), while Qatar is likely financing others (likely Arar al-Sham and whatever remains of Al-Nusra, formerly financed by the Saudis, too).

The Saudis (and the others) have probably realized that a complete Salafi takeover of Syria is a) no longer viable and b) likely to cause too much backlash, including Salafi groups not behaving like obedient little dogs and instead clamoring for "ending corruption" and killing "sinners" even in the KSA (which isn't what the Saudis want, of course). The Saudis want to strike back against Iran and to get rid of Assad if possible, the rest is optional, they could theoretically not give a shit about the Kurds at this point. Qatar likely still believes in a Salafi theocracy which controls all of Syria and even beyond.

Also Qatar is sponsoring the Muslim Brotherhood against al-Sisi (which pisses him off) while the Saudis have just gotten a great deal ("the best deal, only the best deal") from Donnie Trump. Qatar doesn't have so many powerful friends.

The Saudis/UAE/Bahrain/al-Sisi coalition now wants to get more close to the US and Israel. They know that the situation in Syria has degenerated so much that getting rid of Assad has become hard, probably impossible since Russia protects him and the US won't antagonize Russia, not under the Orange Cunt. So they have a more limited goal, probably just to keep the status quo as it is, to carve out a friendly entity in Syria from the zones that their friendly forces already control.

Qatar is a good scapegoat. They and the Saudis haven't always seen eye to eye, especially since Qatar is relatively more friendly towards Iran (or at least neutral towards them) and has had border disputes with the Saudis in the past. They finance the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which puts them against al-Sisi. Bahrain has an ongoing island dispute with them. They've already squabbled with the UAE (who have given asylum to a former emir of Qatar).

The "unity of the Ummah" is a joke, just like the "Brotherhood of all Muslims". Propaganda for useful idiots. All these countries hate each other's guts, they've just realized that they can gang up on Qatar and look good while they do it.

The Saudis, al-Sisi, the UAE and Bahrain can now portray themselves as "fighting against terrorism" ( :lol: ), which looks good for Donnie Trump ("hey, look, I went there and they've already found out the bad guys!") and for every other "western allies" ("It was Qatar all along! OMG! The Saudi are totes righteous!").

Meanwhile Home Office may not publish terrorist funding report amid claims it focuses on Saudi Arabia

You don't say? :lol:

The absolutely Best Comment on the "disassociation" between Qatar and all the Merry Band of Salafi friends (featuring Egypt) is this:

"The Saudis supported a muslim ban".

[MarcusAu]

I see that Peter Sallis has shuffled off this mortal coyle.

[MarcusAu]

*Sniff*

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[Kirbmarc]

For the people who already don't know this, Qatar rift: Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Egypt cut diplomatic ties

Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have broken off relations with Qatar, in the worst diplomatic crisis to hit Gulf Arab states in decades.

The three Gulf countries and Egypt have accused Qatar of supporting terrorism and destabilizing the region. Qatar -- which shares its only land border with Saudi Arabia -- has rejected the accusations calling them "unjustified" and "baseless". Yemen and the Maldives also cut ties with Qatar.
Qatari citizens have been told they have 14 days to leave Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE, while those countries also banned their own citizens from entering Qatar.

OMG! Racism! Islamophobia! Muslim ban!

Qataris given 14 days to leave the UAE, Bahrain and Saudi
Qatar ejected from the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen over alleged support of ISIS and al-Qaeda, according to Saudi state media
Yemen and Maldives governments also cut ties with Qatar
Emirates airline says it's suspending all flights to and from Doha starting Tuesday morning
Kuwait, Oman only Gulf Cooperation Council members remaining with ties to Qatar.
Iran blames tensions on Donald Trump's recent visit to Saudi Arabia

Qatar imports almost all of its food from the KSA. Qatar airways also used Saudi planes and airports for refueling. Kuwait and Oman are to far away to really help Qatar. Iran will likely try to lure Qatar to their side.

The Saudi-led Arab coalition fighting Yemen's Houthi rebels also expelled Qatar from its alliance, alleging support of "al-Qaeda and Daesh [also known as ISIS], as well as dealing with the rebel militias", according to Saudi's state media agency.

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The news comes two weeks after Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt blocked several Qatari media outlets -- including Al Jazeera -- over comments allegedly made by Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim Al Hamad Al Thani. Al Thani reportedly hailed Iran as an "Islamic power" and criticized US President Donald Trump's policy towards Tehran.

It's also important to note that Al-Jazeera is a Qatari propaganda outlet, and they're very powerful and have a widespread influence. Expect a lot of whining about the lack of unity between muslims and the rehabilitation of Iran on Al-Jazeera.

Also the US have a base in Qatar. Tillerson probably isn't going to like the instability brought by the Qatar ostracism.