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MarcusAu wrote:Part of her point is that even their intentions may not be that good.
I see her point, and I do not disagree with her call to caution. Decoupling islam from politics is forbidden by islam itself, and all that she says is true. The focus of Quilliam on "right-wing activism" is odd, given their established telos of tackling islamic infiltration in politics.

However in an age where Salafi preachers are called "moderates", where CAIR and CAGE are called "human right activists", where the SPLC calls Ayaan Hirsi Ali an "anti-muslim extremist" at least Nawaz is paying lip service to liberal-democratic values. It's something.

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Now Kirb has tasted edit blood he will never be the same.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Brive1987 wrote:Now Kirb has tasted edit blood he will never be the same.
You mean the edit?

I spotted him use his mod powers to fix a broken url tag the other day. The monster.

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Brive1987 wrote:Now Kirb has tasted edit blood he will never be the same.
You shouldn't have fed me a promotion after midnight.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Now Kirb has tasted edit blood he will never be the same.
You shouldn't have fed me a promotion after midnight.
http://i.imgur.com/JSARSWM.jpg

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TedDahlberg wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Now Kirb has tasted edit blood he will never be the same.
You shouldn't have fed me a promotion after midnight.
http://i.imgur.com/JSARSWM.jpg
Still a more convincing woman than Danielle Muscato. :bjarte:

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Hey Kirb, please edit this post to have insightful, poignant content that sparks an interesting discussion and makes everyone think I'm awesome.

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Keating wrote:Hey Kirb, please edit this post to have insightful, poignant content that sparks an interesting discussion and makes everyone think I'm awesome.
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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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y'all are filthy whores

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Post by feathers »

Bhurzum wrote:
Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:Ever hear the saying "He couldn't get laid in a women's prison if he was holding a handful of pardons" ? Might apply in this case
How about "if he fell into a barrel of tits, he'd come out sucking his thumb" :D
:) must remember. I only knew being as happy as a baby in a barrel of tits.

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rayshul wrote:y'all are filthy whores
Ooh, pull my hair and say that again!

(I don't mind a bit of spitting either)

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Sorry Bhurzum - nobody is buying it.

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Post by rayshul »

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/male- ... hild-porn/ also references at the bottom other high profile cases.

The anti-#gamergate crew is fucking rife with this shit, it's nuts.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Close enough, I guess.

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rayshul wrote:http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/male- ... hild-porn/ also references at the bottom other high profile cases.

The anti-#gamergate crew is fucking rife with this shit, it's nuts.
Don't tell this to the Commander.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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MarcusAu wrote:Sorry Bhurzum - nobody is buying it.
I'm not selling it, I'm giving it away... ;)

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Kirbmarc wrote:It's almost as if the "sexism in the workplace" narrative is a huge myth.
Perhaps they preferred women because they're cheaper?

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Bhurzum wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Sorry Bhurzum - nobody is buying it.
I'm not selling it, I'm giving it away... ;)
In that case can I get a refund on my deposit.

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Sunder wrote:I don't want to go so far as to say it's because he's a skeeve, but I think there's some validity in the Muskrat trying to go for ladyjail simply because it's a softer option than mens' prison.

Although if he does try anything he may end up getting free SRS courtesy of some angry womyn.
I don't see him actually going to jail (even though he is raising money for his defense). Pot smoking crimes are typically low level misdemeanors that get a slap on the wrist and a fine. I guess is going to claim poverty and that he can't afford to pay the fine. He would have to continue to be a real twat to get get any jail time for it.

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deLurch wrote: I don't see him actually going to jail (even though he is raising money for his defense). Pot smoking crimes are typically low level misdemeanors that get a slap on the wrist and a fine. I guess is going to claim poverty and that he can't afford to pay the fine. He would have to continue to be a real twat to get get any jail time for it.
So prison it is then.

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Sunder wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Now Kirb has tasted edit blood he will never be the same.
You mean the edit?

I spotted him use his mod powers to fix a broken url tag the other day. The monster.
The system of privilege here is literally built into the system!!! It is systemic oppression! Fucking green hair nym overshitlords!

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Really? wrote:Sargon took his time and made a good video that demonstrates that Anita is an abusive garbage human and Vidcon/Hank Green are either willfully ignorant or just plain ignorant.

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At 19 mins in there is a tale of further Anita bad behaviour at Vidcon I hadn't heard before.

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Jack Wooster wrote:At 19 mins in there is a tale of further Anita bad behaviour at Vidcon I hadn't heard before.
It has been posted in the pit before. Here is Boggie in his own words.

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Someone else suggested skipping to 6 minutes in for the meat of the video. If you are interested in this topic overall, I felt it was worth watching the whole thing to put everything and Boogie in full context.

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Yes - don't pay attention to Someone Else - that arsehole will get you in trouble.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
rayshul wrote:http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/male- ... hild-porn/ also references at the bottom other high profile cases.

The anti-#gamergate crew is fucking rife with this shit, it's nuts.
Don't tell this to the Commander.
:lol:

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deLurch wrote:
Jack Wooster wrote:At 19 mins in there is a tale of further Anita bad behaviour at Vidcon I hadn't heard before.
It has been posted in the pit before. Here is Boggie in his own words.

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That's what comes of reading the Pit on my phone which likes to hide videos.

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Bhurzum wrote:How about "if he fell into a barrel of tits, he'd come out sucking his thumb" :D
He couldn't figure out how to pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:How about "if he fell into a barrel of tits, he'd come out sucking his thumb" :D
He couldn't figure out how to pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
He couldn't get a handjob in a whorehouse if he wrapped his dick in hundred dollar bills.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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It's like shooting fish in a barrel full of Round-Up™

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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He couldn't get that true vulval feel if he spent the night alone at the aquarium.

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deLurch wrote:
Jack Wooster wrote:At 19 mins in there is a tale of further Anita bad behaviour at Vidcon I hadn't heard before.
It has been posted in the pit before. Here is Boggie in his own words.

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Anita has been harrassing Peter Boghossian ???

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gurugeorge wrote: The real home of traditional martial arts in China has always been localized, as village and family possessions, with sizeable pools of local practitioners, and they were all used in anger till about the beginning of the 20th century. Shaolin Temple was a thing, and there's some truth to the legend, but it's been greatly exaggerated in romantic novels and movies. The idea that martial arts can be invented by lone mystics on misty mountaintops is of course complete drivel, it's from romantic "wuxia" fiction of the early 20th century, which eventually filtered through to movies, but also filtered back into the sales pitch for strip mall martial arts.
I used to go to kung fu classes taught by a Vietnamese guy, and he told us a story about the founder of his school back home. Not sure how much of it was fact and how much was legend, but apparently this guy (back before he ended up founding his new school) got into a disagreement with his original kung fu school and went off to the mountains to train on his own, as one does in the movies. But, back in town, everyone else kept training as well, so when the founder guy came back from the forest and challenged some people at his old school, he promptly got his ass kicked :lol:
gurugeorge wrote:I'm only a dabbler myself, it's basically extremely difficult to get authentic teaching in any of the Chinese MA, far less the internal MA, there are very few authentic teachers in China, even less in the Western countries; and even when you do learn the language and seek out authentic teachers (or go to seminars from authentic teachers who tour, like Chen Xiaowang, head of the Chen family wrt the art), you're not going to get any sort of explanation to the level I've been giving here. They only go deeper into it if you show commitment by practicing for at least a half hour a day, preferably an hour or two (and they can tell very easily whether you've been doing that, because the way you move changes, and the kinds of questions you ask change).
My teacher was also pretty pessimistic about teaching westerners "authentic" kung fu, because here you can't send kids off to a temple to train for 10 years and beat them with sticks if they disobey, like they did back home.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:He couldn't figure out how to pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
Yup, I'm adding this one to my repertoire ;)

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MarcusAu wrote:Arggh! That Sargon video was horrible.

Particularly the bit where he give a clip of Laci Green's tearful recounting of their reconciliation. Some stuff you can just keep offline.

And then at the end a montage of all the people he met up at Vidcon with some sappy music over it.

It seems that the personal is political after all - and that once you have worked out all your own issues - the whole world will just fall into line. That's not the way it seems to me - there will be some people I like and some that I don't but that is not in and of itself a content analysis of what they are saying.

Also, apparently Dave Cullen had suggested a standing ovation for Anita at the Vidcon panel (if everything had gone well- which it obviously didn't) - but that seems an insincere gesture if you really take issue with what she is saying. It's possible to be polite without being subservient.


All this peace and love bullshit is getting to me. Is there no one at all speaking up about the joy, passion, motivation and other benefits of pure hate?

Ah well - each to their own.
How strange, i actually liked that video and im no Sargon fan. Im not even subscribed to his main channel. Btw the Laci Green reconciliation clip is from a 2 part video Laci made and published online.

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Laci Green deserves as much happiness as anyone.

But I'm not involved (eg I don't know her IRL, I don't watch / comment on her videos or encourage others to do so in any way) - so the way she acts ultimately has little or no relevance to me.

Something about living out the drama of your personal life in the panopticon of the Internet - is just off-putting. But even if it wasn't it does not relate to any of the issues except in a vague tangential way.

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rayshul wrote:http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/male- ... hild-porn/ also references at the bottom other high profile cases.

The anti-#gamergate crew is fucking rife with this shit, it's nuts.
Btw, its an article by Ian Miles Cheong who used to write mainly at Heat Street and i learned yesterday that Heat Street is folding. Saw two of their writers Tweeting about it and saying they're in search of new opportunities. I think Ian may be a Daily Caller writer now and not just an occasional contributor.

A bit of sad news for me, i like Heat Street, its an entertaining rag. One of the few that are not from a progressive point of view.

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You know, I was born a little too late to buy into the promise of a future with flying cars and personal rocket suits.

Instead I was given the expectation that everyone would have strange hairstyles in various outre colours, and would speak in barely comprehensible dialect that could only be followed if full attention was given.

I'm glad the the strange future world of the 21st century that seemed so distant only a few decades ago - does not completely disappoint. And that we have avoided most of the post-apocalyptic scenarios that were once the fashionable prediction to make.

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Seeing as there was some interest from that last post on Taijiquan, here's a brain dump of what little I know (or think I know :) ) about the Asian martial arts as a whole, and particularly the Internal Chinese MA:-

The core principles of all the Asian MA (to some extent, even if only in terms of lip-service), but particularly the "internal" ones (Taiji, Xingyi and Bagua) revolve around 3 things: Qi, Jin and Liu He (6 harmonies). Qi and Jin can be analyzed out as separate things, but in practice they're trained together, and their result is Liu He, 6 harmonies in the way the mind moves the body, and the way the body moves as a unit.

A lot of confusion has arisen because these are "terms of art", i.e jargon words, related specifically to things you learn to do through constant repetitive practice, but the terms used are terms that also have general meaning in the ancient Chinese philosophies, particularly Daoism. How it works is that practitioners (particularly literate practitioners) over time noticed interesting correspondences between philosophical principles that had broader application, and the things they did with their bodies, and the things that happened in combat with the arts they used.

The bogus idea is that it's the other way round: that the philosophical principles in some way mandate types of movement.

1) "Qi" is related to the stuff I mentioned in the previous post about fascia. In the general Chinese philosophical context, "qi" was a catch-all term for any "motivating force." In the specific martial arts jargon context, you can think of it as a bit like pressure, pressure in the body, that can be developed and manipulated as an artifact of the interaction between the elastic/tensile fascia and breathing. You can get a vague grasp of the general idea by thinking of how a coiled hose uncoils as you open the tap and water goes through it. This is onomatopoeic both for what's actually going on, and for the feeling of how you move your body. You're basically retraining how to move your body from the way you instinctively learned to move your body growing up as a child, to a new way of moving the body by manipulating this qi, this "pressure." This is why the training is extremely slow and gentle to start with, it's because you're hunting internally for a particular feeling of control, like fumbling around for an amplifier knob in the dark. It's also why relaxation is so strongly emphasized in the early stages - you want to bracket out all possible muscular "noise" from the body other than this subtle feeling of tension or pressure. Obviously muscles are always involved, but you have to first of all knock out all conscious sense of "using your muscles" to move, so that only the minimum necessary muscles are used (which are actually the ones that "silently" and automatically keep the body stable against gravity, and this relates to point 2), jin). Above all, any muscular stiffness inhibits you from "feeling the qi."

And the better you get the correct body alignment in the forms (which mimics the alignment that comes about naturally when someone has this way of moving), the better you are able to gradually latch on to this new way of moving the body, subtly at first, then more strongly. As I said in the previous post, the dantien region becomes the central "locus of control" for shuffling around inside the body what feels subjectively like a "pressure point" that's connected to the extremities by subtle lines of tension. It's hard to describe any clearer than that, because as I said, it's really a discovery you have to make through practice, it's not something you're ever likely to have felt (except maybe fleetingly) before learning the skill.

2) "Jin" is a trained skill, a trained skill of manipulating vectors both inside the body and in relation to an opponent. Essentially, what you're learning to do is to consciously control whatever normally-automatic systems allow the body to balance against gravity. If you think of carrying a heavy pack on one shoulder, then shifting it to another shoulder, and think of how the body automatically adjusts itself internally so that the weight of the pack is maximally "grounded" through the body first off one shoulder, then the other, you can get a sense of it. What you're training to do is get a conscious control of whatever mechanisms those are, that are normally automatic. Again, if you think of a native porter balancing a weight on their head, with the weight going through the body to the feet, then think of being able to "balance against" an incoming force on front of you with your hand, by shifting the vector from the vertical (head to ground) to being at an angle (from hand to ground), that should give some sense of it. That's a passive way of utilizing jin, but of course it can also be active, in that you can extend the vector, either slowly, as a push, or quickly, as "short power".

The ultimate expression of jin is to view opponents in combat as a "two backed beast", and whoever has better control of their jin, with their own dantien, is able to control the opponent's dantien, hence their balance. This ties back to the Taiji (Yin/Yang) symbol again (which is ubiquitous in all the Asian MA) - IOW, the coupled pair of you and your opponent are a single mechanical unit that you (with your hypothetically better control of jin) control. Also, in general terms of combat, your opponent strikes (yang) you dodge or deflect (yin), but that dodge or deflection is itself simultaneously a counterstrike (yang). Again, all very philosophically cool (which is why the people who practiced these arts in ancient times latched on to the philosophical symbols).

3) "Liu He," 6 harmonies, has 3 "internal harmonies" and 3 "external harmonies". The result of the combination of training Qi and Jin, is that your intention manipulates the qi, which manipulates the jin: the 3 internal harmonies. IOW, you will a force vector to anywhere you like, by manipulating the feeling of pressure in your body, which arranges the musculo-skeletal system in such a way that an appropriate vector that's always grounded manifests at any point (think of one of those globes that sparks wherever you touch the globe). The external manifestation of this is that the body always moves as a unit - hip movement is connected to shoulder movement, elbow movement is connected to knee movement, and hand movement is connected to feet movement. And again, the central locus of control of all of this is the dantien, which is like the centre of a spiderweb (the fascia), so that when the dantien moves it "tugs" along the muscle-tendon "channels", to move the body - but also, just like a spiderweb, any contact at the extremities (from an opponent) is felt at the centre of the web, the dantien.

Another neat image is to think of a "balloon man" - if you pinch the torso of the balloon man at the front, the arms and legs will move inwards, pinch the balloon man at the back, the arms and legs will move in the opposite direction. Movement is then effectuated by shifting the "pinch point" from front to back, up and down, side to side. This is the famous "microcosmic orbit". The "pinch point" moves up the back, forward under the diaphragm, down the lower torso at the front, inwards to the back again, and as it moves, that movement moves the limbs. Again, this is a subtle, gentle thing at first, but eventually the whole musculo-skeletal system is "entrained" around that subtle movement (like the Rapunzel story (?), where you use a thread first, which then enables you to pick up a string, then a rope, etc.)

4) Wrapping all that up: in solo practice, you retrain how you move, from the normal way to this new way, then you make it instinctive (you make it be how you move during the day, more and more, all the time), then you apply it in paired practice in a gentle way (push hands) then you ramp up that practice to full contact free sparring. This way of doing martial arts is a lot of investment, not like dozens of years, but you're looking at an extra 2, 3 or 4 years on top of however much time you might spend to get proficient at something like boxing or wrestling or Muay Thai, or any of the "external" Asian MA (even if you could get authentic tuition). And all you get from this huge extra investment, at the end of the day, is a bit of an edge, and a bit of a surprise factor. It's not a "magic bullet" or a superpower. But obviously in the context where martial arts were used in anger, that slight edge and that element of surprise, might have made all the difference between life and death, so it would have been worth the effort for anyone who lived by fighting, and was lucky enough to find the right training.

It takes a hell of a lot of practice, and also opponents to practice with who also have the skills - which is why it's very, very rare, and only really exists very sparsely in China, in the village/local context where these traditional arts lived, and where they still had some use even till recent times (not everyone had guns). And because the Cultural Revolution did for a lot of older people who were practitioners, it's even rarer than it otherwise might have been.

Plus, even historically in Asia, there was always pressure to find shortcuts (e.g. for training soldiers), so the "whole enchilada" that I'm describing here, sometimes only parts of it were used, which then became arts of their own that used only part of these skills but claimed to use them all (by using the same jargon terms). It's a complicated picture. Then from the other side, you have commercial pressure (which of course would have existed even in China in the 19th century), which means that because of all the mythology surrounding these things, even if you do have the skills, it's perennially tempting to just mulct the gullible by palming them off with a few "forms" and banking your money.

5) Now, that all said, where the woo stuff comes in is as follows:- what happens when you train the qi (as I've been describing it - but it can also be done outside the martial context, through qigong - which is really a non-martial form of the same kind of movement) is that there's a side-effect of what feels like being able to be sensitive to other bodies electromagnetic fields, and to "project" one's own so that others can feel it. Perhaps it's some sort of piezo-electric effect generated in the fascia, whatever - nobody knows at this stage (of Western investigation into these matters). But it's a verifiable phenomenon that you can feel for yourself if you have an authentic practitioner. You can turn your back, close your eyes, and without being cued, you will feel something that feels like a "magnetic" phenomenon, as they "project qi" from their palm to your back. You can also get this "magnetic" feeling quite strongly between the palms yourself, and in your whole body, when you do qigong. It's quite a delightful thing to play around with.

HOWEVER, on the interpersonal level, it's a very weak effect, if it exists at all - obviously it's extremely difficult to separate it out from the effects of suggestion, particularly when you've got gullible practitioners and a cult syndrome going on (or even just ordinary respect for a teacher who's otherwise effective at what he does), and it could all still be suggestion (a la Darren whatsisname, the magician).

IF it's real, the closest thing to a rational explanation for its use in a martial arts context I heard, is that in the olden days high level practitioners could use it as a feint - but of course using it as a feint depends on the opponent also being sensitive to it, so again, it could still all be suggestion as a result of micro-cues, etc.

At any rate, I think this gives a reasonably complete wee sketch of what can be said in this area from a rational point of view.

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Yeah, but how do you do that five point exploding heart punch thing then?

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Tigzy wrote:Yeah, but how do you do that five point exploding heart punch thing then?
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Tigzy wrote:Yeah, but how do you do that five point exploding heart punch thing then?
If I told you I'd have to kill you :)

To cap off this little excursion into the land of MA, here's a clip of a top level guy doing the slow form, with its lovely, silky movement:-

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And here's the same guy using the same skills in a friendly freestyle push hands context, actually using some power:-

https://vimeo.com/223810226

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Yeah well, here's some guy dodging bullets in Remo Unarmed & Dangerous.

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Sunder wrote:"ALB EVIL ETTA"?
I happen to agree with the above sentiment. Anyone who doesn't believe that Ms Alba is evil hasn't seen her dance in Sin City.

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Over at Slate Star Codex there's an article on optical illusions.

For some reason it made me think of the Pyt.
Schizophrenic readers were about twice as likely to report a weak reaction to the mask illusion as non-schizophrenics (28% vs. 14%, p = 0.04). They were also more likely to have a weak reaction to a similar illusion, the Spinning Dancer (58% vs. 81%, p = 0.01). Readers with a family history of schizophrenia landed in between schizophrenics and healthy controls (16% for mask, 63% for dancer, ns).

Autistic readers were only slightly more likely to report a weak reaction to the mask illusion than neurotypicals (17% vs. 14%), but thanks to our big sample size we could be pretty confident that this was a meaningful difference (p = 0.004). There was no different between autists and neurotypicals on the Spinning Dancer, not even a weak trend (58% vs. 60%, p = 0.4).
http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/wh ... illusions/

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.17 vs .14 gets a one-tailed p of .004 with a total N of about 4000

But when you swap the proportions to being .58 and .60, the p-value is much lower than .400

Doesn't pass the smell test for me.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:.17 vs .14 gets a one-tailed p of .004 with a total N of about 4000

But when you swap the proportions to being .58 and .60, the p-value is much lower than .400

Doesn't pass the smell test for me.
It's not a randomised sample either, it's just people who chose to respond.

Plus, I suspect some of the schizophrenics responded twice.

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pro-boxing-fan wrote:
rayshul wrote:http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/male- ... hild-porn/ also references at the bottom other high profile cases.

The anti-#gamergate crew is fucking rife with this shit, it's nuts.
Btw, its an article by Ian Miles Cheong who used to write mainly at Heat Street and i learned yesterday that Heat Street is folding. Saw two of their writers Tweeting about it and saying they're in search of new opportunities. I think Ian may be a Daily Caller writer now and not just an occasional contributor.

A bit of sad news for me, i like Heat Street, its an entertaining rag. One of the few that are not from a progressive point of view.
I initially had high hopes for Heat Street but they didn't last long. They had no focus; publishing real stories next to attempts at Onion type satire. Too many of their actual articles where of the "some liberal nobody you've ever heard of, said something outrageous on twitter about something," type. The comments section was quickly taken over by conservaderps. I'm not sorry to see it go.

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Shatterface wrote:Over at Slate Star Codex there's an article on optical illusions.

For some reason it made me think of the Pyt. ....

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/wh ... illusions/
:) But interesting article, at least the bits I skimmed through, but particularly the spinning mask. And interesting perspectives on transgenderism & on comments by Zinnia Jones:
A few days ago, trans blogger Zinnia Jones asked me if there might be any neurochemical reason trans people dissociate so much.

Dissociation is a vague psychiatric symptom where you feel like you’re not real, or the world isn’t real, or you’re detached from the world, or something like that. It sounds weird, but if you explain it to someone who’s had it, they’ll say “Oh yeah, that thing!” It’s usually unpleasant, and tends to occur in PTSD, borderline personality, and extreme stress.

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Shatterface wrote:Plus, I suspect some of the schizophrenics responded twice.
Aleph 2, if I had any say. :clap:

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What the fuck does "Dissociation is a vague psychiatric symptom" actually mean? Is this a claim that the definition of the symptom is vague or is a claim that the symptom, itself, is some kind of vagueness?

Note to Steersman: the above were rhetorical. I don't care what the answer the first question might be and neither option in the second sentence is correct.

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I just noticed that the thumps-up symbol under my name is getting in the way of my edit button.

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I always wondered what is done with all the answers that are never used when a rhetorical question is raised.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Here's an article by Shazia Hobbs - on why Majid Nawaz and Quilliam may not be the 'great white hope' that their audience ( white middle class people, for the most part) want them to be.

http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2017/06/08 ... zia-hobbs/

Which seems to place the emphasis on western societies (and their governments) to be clear about they stand for - and that anyone wishing to live there should have to conform to those principles (or work democratically to change them). Rather than waiting around for islam to reform itself that is. ....
I actually agree. I see Nawaz as someone who seems to have good intentions,and is smeared and shat upon by the Regressives (including the SPLC) but ultimately I don't have much hope for his project either.

Yes, liberal democracies should demand adherence to liberal democratic principles, and never compromise them for the sake of "diversity". Rights should always come with responsibilities. That's also a job for secularist organization, to be the watchdogs of secularism instead of pandering to various special interests and ideologies.

The problem is that the SocJus has co-opted secularism and turned into a project against the phantom of the White Cis Hetero Patriarchy, so anything that requires "brown people" to have duties and responsibilities is called "racism" and "islamophobia".
Part of her point is that even their intentions may not be that good.
Interesting article, and a site worth putting on the list of those to follow. And this other post there in particular looks to be worth reading: The ‘Now That’s Why Pakistan Is A S**thole’ Collection - kind of a shame in way as Pakistan looks modern in many ways - they have "The Bomb!!", and have contributed the particle physicist Mohammad Abdus Salam even if they rejected him for being Ahmadi.

But you know what they say about good intentions paving the road to hell. Maybe Nawaz has ulterior motives, particularly those of a decidedly unsalutary nature, but I kind of get the impression that he, along with many other "reformers", have some divided allegiances and loyalties, are engaged in a rather desperate if futile attempt to hang onto elements of their faith - particularly a belief in a literal deity. No doubt there are, I think, commendable, or at least philosophically or morally tenable aspects of most religions, Islam included. But the nature of Islam in particular, as I think Hobbs argued or suggested, tends to preclude any success in trying to walk back from that literalist position.

In any case, a few related observations from several of Anjuli Pandavar's old posts, and a more recent one:
Sleepwalking: I wanted to show how the slickness of Nawaz and the naïveté of Harris are key obstacles in the way of our developing a realistic perspective on and appropriate response to Islam, while we are sleepwalking into a nightmare.

A self-serving “sensitivity” that beggars belief: I wish I’d been more systematic about this and recorded my findings. Initially I’d been quite hostile to Nawaz, based on his reluctance to acknowledge what Islam and the Qur’an are, at the same time as obfuscating these from non-Muslims who readily gave him the benefit of the doubt. I also thought that his image as an Islamic “reformer” concealed what he was really doing, which was deflecting scrutiny and criticism away from Islam and the Qur’an, thereby perpetuating what’s been Islam’s problem all along: its non-exposure to critical enquiry, resulting in the mess we have today. The hostility was provoked by Nawaz’ insistence that it’s all a matter of debate, of argument, of talk shows and op-eds, etc. while the matter was being fought out with guns and bombs and knives in the Muslim world. Instead of the nice flow of ideas, what vast Muslim populations were experiencing was a flow, nay, a torrent, of blood. Then I started picking up shifts in Nawaz’ language that suggested that he was either rethinking his position, or falling back behind more defensible positions. If I’d taken note of exactly when I’d detected these shifts and exactly what they were, I’d have been able to give you a better answer. I’m sorry. But I’m sure that the day Maajid Nawaz actually makes an honest statement about the Qur’an, it’ll be hard to miss. I’d be very happy if someone can point out to me that I’ve indeed missed it.

The invincible ignorance shielding terrorists and the faith that drives them: In March I wrote Political correctness is the new opium of the people. The lesson I should have learnt from my own post is just how much of a religion political correctness is and how tenaciously the ignorance on which it depends will be defended. The point is that it doesn’t matter how many thousands of people are blown to smithereens, or hacked to pieces, or mowed down by vehicles or die in whatever ingenious method of mass killing Allah inspires next, the blind supporters of Islam (for whom doing otherwise equates to nastiness towards Muslims, or God forbid, support for Trump) cannot be moved. Political correctness is a religion, and as we already know, faith always triumphs over humanity.
Hopefully faith, at least the religious or narrow-minded variety, won't always triumph over humanity.

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Best David Bowie tribute evar!

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Billie from Ockham wrote:What the fuck does "Dissociation is a vague psychiatric symptom" actually mean? Is this a claim that the definition of the symptom is vague or is a claim that the symptom, itself, is some kind of vagueness?

Note to Steersman: the above were rhetorical. I don't care what the answer the first question might be and neither option in the second sentence is correct.
LoL. Given that Alexander claims to be "a psychiatrist practicing in the US Midwest" you might consider that he knows at least something whereof he speaks.

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Steersman wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Over at Slate Star Codex there's an article on optical illusions.

For some reason it made me think of the Pyt. ....

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/wh ... illusions/
:) But interesting article, at least the bits I skimmed through, but particularly the spinning mask. And interesting perspectives on transgenderism & on comments by Zinnia Jones:
A few days ago, trans blogger Zinnia Jones asked me if there might be any neurochemical reason trans people dissociate so much.

Dissociation is a vague psychiatric symptom where you feel like you’re not real, or the world isn’t real
*, or you’re detached from the world, or something like that. It sounds weird, but if you explain it to someone who’s had it, they’ll say “Oh yeah, that thing!” It’s usually unpleasant, and tends to occur in PTSD, borderline personality, and extreme stress.
*Sounds like he's forgotten the difference between dissociation and depersonalisation.

Not mentioned directly there, but dissociation used to be said to be prevalent among those who have suffered childhood (sexual) abuse, possibly explaining the genesis of borderline personality disorder and maybe giving a clue to the origin of gender dysphoria. I may be long out of date in what I know about those things.

The relative immunity of schizophrenics to optical illusions is interesting. I'd guess that it develops in proportion for the time the schizophrenia goes untreated, and isn't present pre-morbidly. Schizophrenia damages brains, and only early diagnosis and intervention seems to offer the possibility of preventing this (I'm tired of drug reps hinting that their novel antipsychotics treat the 'negative' symptoms, which are really the destructive effects of psychotic episodes and are likely irreversible.)

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MarcusAu wrote:I always wondered what is done with all the answers that are never used when a rhetorical question is raised.
They give you blue balls in the brain.

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screwtape wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Over at Slate Star Codex there's an article on optical illusions.

For some reason it made me think of the Pyt. ....

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/wh ... illusions/
:) But interesting article, at least the bits I skimmed through, but particularly the spinning mask. And interesting perspectives on transgenderism & on comments by Zinnia Jones ...
*Sounds like he's forgotten the difference between dissociation and depersonalisation.

Not mentioned directly there, but dissociation used to be said to be prevalent among those who have suffered childhood (sexual) abuse, possibly explaining the genesis of borderline personality disorder and maybe giving a clue to the origin of gender dysphoria. I may be long out of date in what I know about those things.

The relative immunity of schizophrenics to optical illusions is interesting.
I'll take your word on the difference, at least as a plausible possibility. But I quite agree about the immunity being interesting - one might suggest that "how the mind works" is the real "final frontier". Which reminds me of a passage in Konrad Lorenz' "Civilized Man's Eight Deadly Sins":
Lorenz wrote:The analysis of the organic system underlying the social behaviour of man is the most difficult and ambitious task that the scientist can set himself, for this system is by far the most complex on earth. One might imagine that an undertaking of such intrinsic difficulty would be rendered altogether impossible by the fact that human behaviour is overlaid and altered unpredicatably by pathological phenomena. Fortunately this is not the case. Far from being an insurmountable obstacle to the analysis of an organic system, a pathological disorder is often the key to understanding it. .... [pg 2]
A fascinating read for many reasons - not least for having been been an early introduction for me to positive and negative feedback cycles; highly recommended even if, as I seem to recollect, Dawkins was none too impressed, maybe without justification, with Lorenz' understanding of evolution.
screwtape wrote:I'd guess that it develops in proportion for the time the schizophrenia goes untreated, and isn't present pre-morbidly. Schizophrenia damages brains, and only early diagnosis and intervention seems to offer the possibility of preventing this (I'm tired of drug reps hinting that their novel antipsychotics treat the 'negative' symptoms, which are really the destructive effects of psychotic episodes and are likely irreversible.)
Never ceases to amaze me watching advertisements for various drugs on TV, and to listen to lengthy recitations of rather problematic side effects - cures potentially being very much worse than the diseases. ICYMI and maybe somewhat apropos of which, you might like a recent post of Jerry Coyne's: My WaPo review of a new book on gene editing - who knows but maybe Zinnia & company might finally be able to actually produce ova and justifiably claim the "title" of "woman" ... ;-)

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