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"Nazis" protest peacefully in Quebec against illegal migrants coming over the US/Canada border, while leftist counter protesters turn violent, even attacking police.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/20 ... _23155115/
Perhaps we will get more info from proboxing fan.

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There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.

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Guest_936d3dec wrote:Scratch a male feminist find a misogynist, Joss Whedon edition

Via Ghazi

thewrap com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/

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Fifteen years later, when he was done with our marriage and finally ready to tell the truth, he wrote me, “When I was running ‘Buffy,’ I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive young women. It felt like I had a disease, like something from a Greek myth. Suddenly I am a powerful producer and the world is laid out at my feet and I can’t touch it.” But he did touch it. He said he understood, “I would have to lie — or conceal some part of the truth — for the rest of my life,” but he did it anyway, hoping that first affair, “would be ENOUGH, that THEN we could move on and outlast it.”

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Whedon was a nerd who suddenly became one of the coolest guys in the realm of television by virtue of his TV show. Fame and success, for someone who doesn't manage to get used to them, are actually pretty toxic. This isn't an excuse for serial cheating of course but it explains why Whedon might have been very tempted.

The feminism was likely just a way to cleanse his "sins". As it happens in every religion the most ardent practitioners are often hypocrites.

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I’ve got to get this off my chest:

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

In the pre-www days, the mainstream media in both Britain and America was dominated by a few companies who owned most of the newspapers, TV stations etc.

Maybe I was being naive, but I really thought the internet would bring us a true marketplace of ideas, a place where all voices could be heard.

But we just seem to have come full circle. We still have a few big corporations trying to control the narrative. Now, it’s internet companies like Google, Facebook, Twitter etc who are trying to decide what views are acceptable.

This is something I saw a Reddit a few months ago:
"Think about all the people in your life that you know. The acquaintances, friends, family, your spouse, etc... Now think about a magical device that you can give to any one of them. This device would allow them at any time, anywhere, to censor any information that they believe is not 'good' for you to see or hear. Can you think of one person that you know or love that you would trust to give that much power? If not, Why would you trust some stranger to have the same power over you?"
Not only would I not trust any person with such a device, I wouldn’t trust any government or corporation with it. Fuck you if you think that owning a company or having more money/power than me gives you the right to tell me what to think.

Is there a way out? Could the techies come up with some sort of BitTorrent type system to decentralise the internet? I just don’t know.

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By the way, since Joss Whedon is apparently a horndog who uses his feminist credentials to have affairs with actresses, co-workers, fans and friends alike, what are the chances that he and Anita Sarkeesian had a fling?

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Rich people problems.

If Mrs. Josh Whedon (or however she identifies) found that she was being treated as a doormat then she should have walked out of the situation a whole lot sooner than 15 years.

As to the feminist principles of Mr JW - well now he has the opportunity to demonstrate how they hold up under pressure.

But really such celebrity gossip is not of much interest (to me at least).

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More leftist antifa style violence in Quebec City.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... -1.4254792

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The Doctor's report on recent events via a video response to Colbert:-


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DrokkIt wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
I think that the problem runs even deeper than that.

Everyone who believes in liberal democracy should oppose Nazism, fascism and the assorted collection of authoritarian right-wing race-based movements, since they undermine the principles and foundations of liberal democracy.

But some people (a minority, but a vocal one) are opposed to Nazism not because they want to defend liberal democracy, but because they follow the Utopian dream of a Communist/Anarchist/Anarcho-Communist revolution.

Communists and Anarcho-Communists are substantially Utopian. Their ideals of peace and harmony through (forced) cooperation and sharing are better than Nazi-Fascism's ideals of a nation where people are at least second class citizens according to their ethnicity, but their political projects are just as incompatible with liberal democracy as Nazi-Fascism.

The people who think that "liberals get the bullet, too" or that political violence is OK aren't doing this just because they've been "radicalized", but because it's part of the DNA of their ideologies that liberal democracy needs to go to be replaced by the dictatorship of the proletariat and/or councils of workers (Soviets). They're fighting Nazis but they could just as well fight Conservatives or Liberals or even Social Democrats.

For example in pre-Nazi Germany the Communist street fighters attacked the Social Democrats and Conservatives as much they attacked the Nazis, while during the Spanish Civil War the Communists actually spent more time fighting Social Democrats and other leftist groups which didn't share their project than the pro-Franco forces. George Orwell (who was a Social Democrat and highly critical of Communists regimes) describes this well in "Homage to Catalonia".

On the other hand in the US social democrats (whose ideas ARE compatible with liberal democracy) are frequently called "communists" or "radicals". This adds a lot of confusion about who's who and what they're fighting for. People like Bernie Sanders, who believe in the liberal democratic system and in reforms, not revolutions, to enact "piecemeal social engineering" have as much in common with the Communist/Anarcho-Communist crowd as Conservatives have in common with Nazism.

So it's not just a matter of tactics, it's a matter of projects. The small but vocal Communist/Anarcho-Communist crowd within the anti-Nazi protests isn't deluded or confused about what they do (although they're likely deluded about their chances of victory). They WANT an uprising, they WANT violence and chaos to undermine liberal democracy, they WOULD turn on some of their Social Democratic allies as soon as they were in power.

That's why the Social Democratic or simply pro-Democracy anti-Nazi crowd need to ditch the violent and illiberal part of their movements. Not just because of bad optics, but because the people who want a Communist revolution don't want the same things of those who simply want to stop the Nazis.

Kirb, this is such a well-reasoned argument and appraisal of tensions that I think it ought to be put on a blog somewhere or something.
Do the Nazis need any more stopping than usual, or has the anti Trump Nazi hysteria just made them topical for a bit? Sure they've picked up a few white guys a bit disgruntled about being told they're welcome to drop off the planet, but surely not that many. The regressives and their stormtroopers are by far the bigger danger, not least because they are the type of pricks who don't understand their own capacity for evil. Evil always lies in the other to these guys. Not only that, they are far more numerous and institutionally favoured than the Nazis.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
They've gone for a giant lizard so notoriously dumb it needed a second brain to operate its back half.

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Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'
Chomsky said, "what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive."

"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is," said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."
When you're on the left and you've lost even Noam Chomsky, you know you fucked up.

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Shatterface wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
They've gone for a giant lizard so notoriously dumb it needed a second brain to operate its back half.
Myth: busted

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Kirbmarc wrote:Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'
Chomsky said, "what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive."

"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is," said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."
When you're on the left and you've lost even Noam Chomsky, you know you fucked up.
Ironic that Antifa is an anarcho-socialist grass roots organization growing organically from roots in many different places, exactly the type of organization that will replace our deeply flawed system according to Chomsky's philosophy. :P

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Shatterface wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
They've gone for a giant lizard so notoriously dumb it needed a second brain to operate its back half.
It's not the stegosaurus that bugs me. I played with dinosaurs when I was a child, too.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
They've gone for a giant lizard so notoriously dumb it needed a second brain to operate its back half.
Myth: busted
Am I mistaken but is the author (Switek) the same dude that Zvan almost saved from sexual harassment?

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'
Chomsky said, "what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive."

"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is," said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."
When you're on the left and you've lost even Noam Chomsky, you know you fucked up.
Ironic that Antifa is an anarcho-socialist grass roots organization growing organically from roots in many different places, exactly the type of organization that will replace our deeply flawed system according to Chomsky's philosophy. :P
For all his flaws Chomsky is in favor of free speech and civil rights (at least when it comes to liberal democracies). Also he's not a fan of the SocJus.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
They've gone for a giant lizard so notoriously dumb it needed a second brain to operate its back half.
Myth: busted
No, sorry, they exist. Lizard-brained Carrier spends at least half his waking moments thinking with his dick.

(Hey, recognize the article's author? He's the guy whose infidelity was outed by Zvan when she went gunning for Christie Wilcox)

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:nin:

Nothing is too obscure for 'pitters. We know our baboon history :D

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Haven't finished watching it yet - and I have no doubt that it has it's bias - but this report from Vice on Charlottesville is interesting:


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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
Instead of a dinosaur, Skepticon should have a set of empty chairs for their logo.

:)

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free thoughtpolice wrote:France is in mourning. Jerry Lewis dead at 91. No one else cares.
Was he run over by a truck?

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free thoughtpolice wrote:"Nazis" protest peacefully in Quebec against illegal migrants coming over the US/Canada border, while leftist counter protesters turn violent, even attacking police.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/20 ... _23155115/
Perhaps we will get more info from proboxing fan.
Mrs Screwtape is there for the CMA conference and described the protesters as an unsavoury lot with shaved heads and pimples. I don't know which side she was describing, and I doubt she does either.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:France is in mourning. Jerry Lewis dead at 91. No one else cares.
Was he run over by a truck?
If so, it would be the one of his routines that I could get a healthy chuckle out of.
I grew up having him and Dean Martin presented as comic geniuses. I wasn't impressed as a kid and still aren't.
I will say that he gave an excellent performance in The King of Comedy, just that I've never found his acting like a retard shtick funny.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
If you are an artist or a graphic designer or even just a normal person in possession of eyesight, you should be aware that chromatic aberration is the devil and anyone who uses it should feel very ashamed.

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screwtape wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:"Nazis" protest peacefully in Quebec against illegal migrants coming over the US/Canada border, while leftist counter protesters turn violent, even attacking police.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/20 ... _23155115/
Perhaps we will get more info from proboxing fan.
Mrs Screwtape is there for the CMA conference and described the protesters as an unsavoury lot with shaved heads and pimples. I don't know which side she was describing, and I doubt she does either.
From what I've seen, the few dozen Quebecois nationalists cornered in the parking garage by the violent mob are the Nazis. The rest are righteous counter protesters.

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[tweet]Haven't finished watching it yet - and I have no doubt that it has it's bias - but this report from Vice on Charlottesville is interesting: [/tweet]

It's strongest when she's letting the Nazis be Nazis. Then they are clearly Nazis and they provide everything to shoot their own selves down with that we would expect.

I stopped watching a few minutes after the car attack because that point they didn't seem to have a whole lot to add.

It did claim (I see no reason to not believe it) the Nazis showed up armed and ready to fight. It didn't seem to me to demonstrate that the Nazis started off the aggression and that if the counter protesters and antifa had done nothing more than free speech back at them that there would have been anything other than verbal aggression.

I still think a major story not being told is if and why the cops stood down and if the cops "crowd control" efforts actually resulted in the two groups colliding.

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Kirbmarc wrote:Also the protagonist of the movie, and arguably the most human and complex character, is actually a Mexican bandit.
Played by a Jew from Brooklyn.

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MarcusAu wrote:Haven't finished watching it yet - and I have no doubt that it has it's bias - but this report from Vice on Charlottesville is interesting:

What was new to me and quite interesting was how the march into which the car drove appears to have been happening after the state of emergency was declared, making the march unlawful. That doesn't justify driving a car into said march, but it was something that I'd never seen or heard reported before.

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Here is an interesting piece of Afro-American history. The original Turtle Islanders were all black.The so called Amerindians are just polluted half breeds.

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Well not really, but still not historic. They hardly would have selected slaves from darker indigenous people. That doesn't make sense.

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Fucking hell, talk about minor scale panic. I've just spent the past 45 minutes trashing my house, garage, three cars and most of my clothing in search for my wallet. I'm a creature of habit, very OCD about certain things and my wallet, keys and mobile phones have very specific places. Having scoured the usual places (very limited, each is used under very specific circumstances), in a growing panic, I started to trawl (and wreck) using a wider net.

Anyway, turns out my hounds had gotten a grip of my wallet, chewed the shit out of it and hidden the remains in their bedding.

Time to order new bank/credit cards, renew various store cards and replace my ancient wallet.

Bleedin' dogues! Going by the recovered remains, I think there's about a quarter of a credit card missing, should I take the buggers to the vet or simply keep a close eye upon them (and their poop) for the next few days?

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gurugeorge wrote:It's going to get worse before it gets better, but I agree with people like Styxhexenhammer666 and Scott Adams, it's more like mass hysteria or moral panic (like the Satanic panic of the 1980s) than a revolutionary zeigeist, I think it will blow over in a few months (though that's not to say more people won't be injured, sadly that probably will happen).
I'm not that optimistic. The Satanic Panic didn't move people to vote for a moronic president (at least not quite as idiotic as the current one). It also made no more than a minor dent outside the USA, while the current swing to extreme political wings is pan-Western. The left-right clashes in the USA are symptoms of something far more sinister than some presumed satanists.

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Sunder wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/tSSyLOv.jpg

There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
If you are an artist or a graphic designer or even just a normal person in possession of eyesight, you should be aware that chromatic aberration is the devil and anyone who uses it should feel very ashamed.
You draw those receding blue lines, then you misalign every single fucking letter within them? Fuck, the fucking lines aren't even alined.

This is why I favor the death penalty for bad design.

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Not sure if it's been covered here, commentary on Joss Weedon from his ex wife. Not feminist enough apparently.

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Have been looking at the footage of the Boston Free Speech thing and fuck me that's some sad ass shit.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Haven't finished watching it yet - and I have no doubt that it has it's bias - but this report from Vice on Charlottesville is interesting:

[youtube.]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I[/youtube]
What was new to me and quite interesting was how the march into which the car drove appears to have been happening after the state of emergency was declared, making the march unlawful. That doesn't justify driving a car into said march, but it was something that I'd never seen or heard reported before.
The counter demonstrators (ie the lefties, antifa etc) did not to my knowledge get a permit for any of their activity. At what point their march became illegal is a moot point (and probably irrelevant as they are not likely to be prosecuted).

The main right-wing guy in the vid (visible in the thumbnail) is Christopher Cantwell - who runs (or perhaps ran) a Youtube channel called 'Radical Agenda'

There are follow up vids of him now - in a state of some distress as there are warrants out for his arrest.

So the story is still developing...

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7 dead, 44 shot in 24 hours in Chicago.

I guess black lives don't really matter in America. What matters is preventing people taking torches to parades

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

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The counter demonstrators (ie the lefties, antifa etc) did not to my knowledge get a permit for any of their activity. At what point their march became illegal is a moot point (and probably irrelevant as they are not likely to be prosecuted).
The Washington Post has a fact checker that manages to give Trump four Pinnochios, the worst sort of lie(!), regarding the claim the lefties had no permit.

washingtonpost com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/16/president-trumps-false-claim-that-counter-demonstrators-lacked-a-permit/

they also have a timeline

washingtonpost com/graphics/2017/local/charlottesville-timeline/

In truth, the lefties did have permits for two parks for their own demonstrations and did not need a permit to enter the park where the nazis were.

But the timeline and factchecker are vague and it's still unclear to me

if the lefties had or needed a permit for their afternoon demonstration, the one the car drove into.

if the afternoon "demonstration" was an organized demonstration that might need a permit, or just crowds milling about

if any group needed a permit to march or parade down public streets from A to B.

if there were marches or parades actually going on, or if it was just groups of people walking from C to D.

I still think the big stories are:

1. Did the cops run the two groups together, and if so, on purpose?
2. The post writes:

> A few minutes before 11 a.m., a swelling group of white nationalists carrying large shields and long wooden clubs approached the park on Market Street. About two dozen counterprotesters formed a line across the street, blocking their path. With a roar, the marchers charged through the line, swinging sticks, punching and spraying chemicals.

> Counterprotesters fought back, also swinging sticks, punching and spraying chemicals. Others threw balloons filled with paint or ink at the white nationalists. Everywhere, it seemed violence was exploding. The police did not move to break up the fights.

So if the nazis had a permit for the park, and were walking to enter the park, was it legal, was it outrageous, was it legitimate for the lefties to place themselves as a barrier across their path.

Not excusing any violence that occurred at that point, if the cops had been called right at that point, were the lefties being a nuisance, or actively breaking the law by blocking public passage?

If the latter, is that sufficient to say that the lefties initiated the aggression that day, or were the aggressors the nazis who "charged through the line"?

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None of you better cross me, or else I'll come to your house and defend myself. - Antifa logic 2017

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BoxNDox wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:Also the protagonist of the movie, and arguably the most human and complex character, is actually a Mexican bandit.
Played by a Jew from Brooklyn.
[SJW mode on] OMG cultural appropriation! Latino-face! [SJW mode off]

Going back to sanity, Eli Wallach was perfect for the role. Tuco is one of my favorite characters in all of cinema, and a lot of it is due to Wallach's acting.

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The forced tax state funded BBC has gone full Dhimmi.

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shoutinghorse wrote:The forced tax state funded BBC has gone full Dhimmi.
Yes - but not in the way you think.

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shoutinghorse wrote:The forced tax state funded BBC has gone full Dhimmi.
[trolling] Yes, it is racist, because it focuses only on their ethnicity, which varies, instead of the real common issue, namely islam. [/trolling]

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I've seen the future and we've lost.

http://i.imgur.com/sbBd1se.jpg

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Really? wrote:Ha! Joss Whedon is essentially Dr. Semenface, except Whedon could support himself financially and does something people actually care about!
Says his ex-wife, who, as we know, belongs to that most reliably objective source of information, ex-spouses.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:It's not the stegosaurus that bugs me. I played with dinosaurs when I was a child, too.
Are you that old.

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Bhurzum wrote:Fucking hell, talk about minor scale panic. I've just spent the past 45 minutes trashing my house, garage, three cars and most of my clothing in search for my wallet. I'm a creature of habit, very OCD about certain things and my wallet, keys and mobile phones have very specific places. Having scoured the usual places (very limited, each is used under very specific circumstances), in a growing panic, I started to trawl (and wreck) using a wider net.

Anyway, turns out my hounds had gotten a grip of my wallet, chewed the shit out of it and hidden the remains in their bedding.

Time to order new bank/credit cards, renew various store cards and replace my ancient wallet.

Bleedin' dogues! Going by the recovered remains, I think there's about a quarter of a credit card missing, should I take the buggers to the vet or simply keep a close eye upon them (and their poop) for the next few days?

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/upload ... od-Day.gif
If you don't see any unusual dog food purchases on your credit cards I think you're in the clear.

Seriously, it could be worse; a human could have stolen it.

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BoxNDox wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:Also the protagonist of the movie, and arguably the most human and complex character, is actually a Mexican bandit.
Played by a Jew from Brooklyn.
Appropriation! Scrap that movie!

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feathers wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:It's not the stegosaurus that bugs me. I played with dinosaurs when I was a child, too.
Are you that old.
I think Matt has just been doxxed as an Opie sock.

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Bhurzum wrote:Time to order new bank/credit cards dogs.
Fixed.

Try these.

https://vetstreet.brightspotcdn.com/dim ... 080113.jpg

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The next frontier of social justice: vampire rights.
The topic of the study paper is named "Do we Always Practice What we Preach? Real Vampires' Fears of Coming out of the Coffin to Social Workers and Helping Professionals" by D J Williams (PhD) and Emily Prior (MA) from Idaho State University and Center of Positive Sexuality, an organization providing "research" on, well you guessed it, sexual minorities.

The abstract of the study maintains the theme of the journal, that of constructive dialogue, helping vampires come out of their coffin, and how medical professionals should be more compassionate in identifying and dealing with this "group". It also thanks "vampires" for their helpful insights about their lifestyle. The first cognitive jerk comes in the first paragraph itself. "The present study focuses on a largely hidden population, people who self-identify as vampires, to gain their personal insights regarding how social workers and helping professionals treat them upon disclosing their vampire identities." It carries on, "This study focuses on "real vampires," in contrast to lifestyle vampires."

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
There have been ten skepticons now, and each year they out-do themselves on the shittyness of their logo.
Decreasing audience. Crazier speakers threatening anyone sane or centrist around them probably leads to a decreased talent pool and thus weaker talent.

And on that note, I wonder if this:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/645920e395/39123.jpg

Was the partial inspiration for this:


Or maybe Skepticon has turned a corner and is now trying to impress upon everyone that there are only two genders with their binary dog whistle. Pink 1s and blue 0s. That is clearly a gender based binary theme.

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Goes without saying.

Talking of fantasy, I see Lauren is persisting with her old glamour shot for Skepticon.

https://skepticon.org/wp-content/upload ... 918-is.jpg

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"REGSTIATION".

Fuck me, these people take no pride in anything they do.

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Has someone used a high-glaze filter for that picture?

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Hunt wrote:If you don't see any unusual dog food purchases on your credit cards I think you're in the clear.

Seriously, it could be worse; a human could have stolen it.
It could be worse worse; someone could have stolen a dog with a credit card in it.

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MarcusAu wrote:Has someone used a high-glaze filter for that picture?
Yes they did. From the looks of it, they used several.

http://i.imgur.com/IegIcjb.jpg

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