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Post by Guest_936d3dec » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:16 am

Also, Antifa will just get better at covering themselves. Remember, of all Antifas, only a few handfuls have been identified this way.

One thing Antifa may learn is to all use the same (brand of) clothes, no branded/coloured backpacks and so on.
The more Antifa masks while causing problems, the more communities, cops, legislators will push back against masking.

So for instance in Auburn, Antifa were forced to unmask
cnn com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

It is not necessarily unconstitutional to force people to take masks off. And while it is in California, and for good reason to, there are still ways legislators have been able to craft laws unmasking people, so for instance on UC campuses, you may not wear a mask for the purpose of intimidation.

If that is seen as constitutional, laws like that could easily force antifa to unmask, or would give cops much more power to break up antifa demonstrations.

It will be interesting to see this case go to the Supreme Court when the Popehats argue that it should be okay to wear masks even for purposes intimidation.

nytimes com/2017/04/26/us/protests-masks-laws.html
Is It Illegal to Wear Masks at a Protest? It Depends on the Place

Alternatively, it will be interesting to see an anti-NSA anti-Facebook clothing industry crop up where everyone is wearing the same low contrast, stealth, hooded burqas.

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Post by Steersman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:26 am

MarcusAu wrote:People should be free to speak even if what they say is wrong.
You mean, like yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre when there isn't one? Nice platitude but don't think it holds as much water as you apparently think it does. Rather doubt freedom of speech is an absolute or should be touted as one.
MarcusAu wrote:That goes for Carl Sagan and Fred Phelps (though both have been rather quiet recently) and for anyone that wishes to promote or criticise religion.
You might wish to read Nicholas Humprhrey's What Shall We Tell the Children?, and reflect on the effects of that position on them; a salient quote:
Children, I'll argue, have a human right not to have their minds crippled by exposure to other people's bad ideas—no matter who these other people are. Parents, correspondingly, have no god-given licence to enculturate their children in whatever ways they personally choose: no right to limit the horizons of their children's knowledge, to bring them up in an atmosphere of dogma and superstition, or to insist they follow the straight and narrow paths of their own faith.

In short, children have a right not to have their minds addled by nonsense. And we as a society have a duty to protect them from it. So we should no more allow parents to teach their children to believe, for example, in the literal truth of the Bible, or that the planets rule their lives, than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth out or lock them in a dungeon.
Bit of a sticky wicket precisely where to draw the line on the limits of free speech, but maybe some on the "Left" are wise to broach the subject:
https://twitter.com/CathyYoung63/status ... 3032814593
https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/900530689937768449

Not sure who Young is targeting with her "on the Left" but Heer seems to have the higher moral ground in questioning "free speech absolutism": can't get much more "marginal" than vulnerable children.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:31 am

Well - I'll continue to speak freely - everyone else can act according to their own principles on the matter.

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Post by Malky » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:35 am

Showing my complete ignorance here but my pit access has been uninterrupted from UK. Why would only some people have an issue?

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Post by feathers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:38 am

Hunt wrote:
deLurch wrote:I understand the coach's ambition. But you really have to work on stretching out and limbering up. You can't force something like that all at once and not have injuries.

[.youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYMaABHCw4[/youtube]
But really seriously, I used to do that to myself on purpose in the vain attempt to do the splits. I feel much better now that I've given up. (my general philosophy to life)
This method is counterproductive because increased muscle flexibility seems almost completely dependent on overcoming the stretch reflex. The muscles themselves don't become longer; rather, they "learn" not to panic when being stretched. Even today, it's not entirely clear how this works or how some people learn in weeks and others not even in years.

Although that reflex is largely unconscious, your conscious brain is likely to have enough influence to thwart your next attempts after a bad experience. If the girl in the video ever learns the splits, it will in spite of, rather than thanks to, the method used.

The good, old stretching and flexibility FAQ from Brad Appleton:
http://www.bradapp.com/docs/rec/stretching/

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Post by Steersman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:45 am

MarcusAu wrote:Well - I'll continue to speak freely - everyone else can act according to their own principles on the matter.
Fine. But you're probably not calling for the rape and murder of particular segments of the population - as Islam largely or essentially does:
Montreal mosque facing calls for investigation after imam preaches on anti-Semitic conspiracy theories
The centre was already in the spotlight over an August 2014 video that showed an imam asking Allah to 'destroy the accursed Jews,' and 'kill them one by one'.
Rather decidedly unwise, if not actually suicidal, to think that everyone aspires to the same high ideals that you might do:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGH80O_U0AAOjlk.jpg
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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:48 am

Malky wrote:
Showing my complete ignorance here but my pit access has been uninterrupted from UK. Why would only some people have an issue?
Noticed a brief outage for the 'Pyt yesterday from my home in Londonistan...

(Does that still count as being in the UK?)


nb The new Amazon series of 'The Tick' has started - and (so far) has been most enjoyable - so on that note:
The Terror wrote: We don't kill people because they call us names...

...We kill people becaue it's fun.

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Post by Guest_936d3dec » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:48 am

Not sure who Young is targeting with her "on the Left" but Heer seems to have the higher moral ground in questioning "free speech absolutism": can't get much more "marginal" than vulnerable children.
Steersman
The replies to that tweet ably rebut the tweet. Seems the robot needs a new crawling algorithm.
ShyNudistGrrl provides the tl;dr of what Jeet really wants.

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Post by feathers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:56 am

Steersman wrote:
Hunt wrote:
deLurch wrote:I understand the coach's ambition. But you really have to work on stretching out and limbering up. You can't force something like that all at once and not have injuries.

[.youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYMaABHCw4[/youtube]
<snip>

But really, really seriously...I forgot what I was going to say.
Maybe something about how 5 displays of the same video is maybe at least 4 too many? ...
Or, for that matter, of tweets?

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:56 am

Steersman wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Well - I'll continue to speak freely - everyone else can act according to their own principles on the matter.
Fine. But you're probably not calling for the rape and murder of particular segments of the population...
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Probably not...though who can tell what 'god', 'rape', 'murder' or 'particular segments of the population' really mean anyway?

What can I say - I'm an optimist.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:20 am

MarcusAu wrote:Well - I'll continue to speak freely - everyone else can act according to their own principles on the matter.
Beware. Spouting shit can go both ways.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:40 am

for a giggle, here is when Ape+Lust was PZ's Satan. Ie pre Nazi days.

http://archive.is/ohc3Z

A wonderful reaction post to Ape's shoop of PZ daydreaming at Skepticon about Watson.

Entitled "WTF is wrong with you"

:dance: :dance: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Steersman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:49 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Steersman wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Well - I'll continue to speak freely - everyone else can act according to their own principles on the matter.
Fine. But you're probably not calling for the rape and murder of particular segments of the population...
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Probably not...though who can tell what 'god', 'rape', 'murder' or 'particular segments of the population' really mean anyway?
I'd suggest you Goggle "Rotherham" for clarification of those terms, and then Pakistan Nawaz mafia ...
MarcusAu wrote:What can I say - I'm an optimist.

[.img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _beach.jpg[/img]
:-) A little bit of science is likely to provide some degree of predicability ...

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:49 am

Faith has a snazzy promo out ... for something. Her brand I guess?

For now I'm buying. Whatever it is she is selling. ;)


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Post by Steersman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:50 am

feathers wrote:
Steersman wrote: <snip>
Maybe something about how 5 displays of the same video is maybe at least 4 too many? ...
Or, for that matter, of tweets?
Maybe I should have said something about "on a single page"? ;-)

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:00 am

Brive1987 wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Well - I'll continue to speak freely - everyone else can act according to their own principles on the matter.
Beware. Spouting shit can go both ways.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/imag ... vMG6ytDH6Z
Perhaps you are right - I'll defer to your knowledge of such things.

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Post by Steersman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:00 am

Guest_936d3dec wrote:
Not sure who Young is targeting with her "on the Left" but Heer seems to have the higher moral ground in questioning "free speech absolutism": can't get much more "marginal" than vulnerable children.
Steersman
The replies to that tweet ably rebut the tweet. Seems the robot needs a new crawling algorithm.
Didn't have time to follow the links and figure out precisely what was meant by the terms in play ...
Guest_936d3dec wrote:[.tweet]https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/900532958716510208[/tweet]

[.tweet]https://twitter.com/_TechBanker/status/ ... 5916328960[/tweet]

[.tweet]https://twitter.com/MWSwanton/status/900917277184446466[/tweet]
[.tweet]https://twitter.com/MWSwanton/status/900918011619676160[/tweet]

[.tweet]https://twitter.com/PJA9/status/900537337406525441[/tweet]

ShyNudistGrrl provides the tl;dr of what Jeet really wants.
So it has to be all or nothing? You do know that there are already limits on free speech, even in the land of the free and the home of the brave? Hardly unreasonable to have a discussion on what other limits might be appropriate without that necessitating throwing the Constitution on the proverbial dust heap of history. Besides which, it wasn't another of the tablets that Moses brought down from Mt. Sinai ...

Over and out.

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Post by shoutinghorse » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:16 am

Give me your children and I'll give you back a frightened, confused and tearful toddler. :lol:

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:23 am

For anyone interested in 9/11 and the ambiguous, shady relationship between the Saudi regime and the 9/11 terrorists, and in how the CIA refused to share information about the terrorists with the FBI in order not to "embarrass" the Saudis, here's a post by Mark Rossini, a former FBI agent-

Here's an interesting paragraph:
Lastly, there are the sealed “28 Pages” of the JICI Report concerning the “Saudi Presence in the USA”. This report describes a potential financial and tangential logistical support/connection between certain prominent Saudis (both royal and connected to the royal family) to the 19 hijackers, and or other close supporters of them. Individuals that the FBI was prohibited and prevented from interviewing because within days of the attacks, when no other aircrafts were allowed to fly, a plane went around the USA picking up these protected Saudis and taking them back to the Kingdom. Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the wife of Prince Bandar who was then Ambassador for Saudi Arabia to the USA, wrote checks for a period of time totaling near $130,000 that went to a charity, which funneled money to Omar al-Bayoumi, who was a Saudi “agent”, and with whom the hijackers contacted upon their arrival for “support”. Al-Bayoumi helped the hijackers move into an apartment in San Diego, by co-signing the lease and advanced them money to pay for the rent. The farcical reason why al-Bayoumi even helped them is that “he bumped into them at a restaurant” and “offered assistance as a good Muslim”.
This is also interesting:
Let’s not forget the murder of Muhammed Jamal Khalifa (Bin Laden’s brother-in-law) in Madagascar in January 2007, who was killed within an hour of his arrival there. The only thing stolen was his computer, not the nearly $30,000 in cash he had in his pocket. The computer is said to have contained his ledgers and the identities of donors from the Saudi Kingdom.
There's enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an investigation into potential ties between key figures in the Saudi Arabian regime and the 9/11 terrorists. But the investigation will never start because economic, military and geopolitic interests of the US elites are all about protecting, arming and supporting the Saudi regime.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:39 am

...bit is it really necessary to call Princess Haifa a 'bint' ?

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Post by feathers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:55 am

Malky wrote:
Showing my complete ignorance here but my pit access has been uninterrupted from UK. Why would only some people have an issue?
After the Brexit and your newly-gained freedom, issues of hate speech and increasing influence of the far right no longer have any influence on you.

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Post by Hunt » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:24 am

https://web.archive.org/web/20170825111 ... itary-ban/

Not a great mystery why the US mil has banned transgender people, as Bradley/Chelsea Manning cited his mental anguish as one of the reasons that drove him to make the greatest leak in US military history. He sent images of himself in drag to his CO, saying "this is my problem". Whether trans can be great soldiers or not is beyond me, as is the evaluation of whether Manning is traitor or hero. Perhaps some of both. I'm sure some of the leaks have done good, just as a shotgun blast can sometimes take out the bad guy--along with the good. I think Manning himself/herself is pretty fucked up. Can you really blame the military wanting to insulate itself? A person says X contributed to leaking mass information, but don't worry, other people with X are totally reliable!

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:29 am

The solution should be obvious...

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Post by Malky » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:33 am

feathers wrote:
Malky wrote:
Showing my complete ignorance here but my pit access has been uninterrupted from UK. Why would only some people have an issue?
After the Brexit and your newly-gained freedom, issues of hate speech and increasing influence of the far right no longer have any influence on you.

If only - the opposite seems sadly true. Much more polarisation by both right and left although not so obviously so as in the USA.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:41 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Well - I'll continue to speak freely - everyone else can act according to their own principles on the matter.
Beware. Spouting shit can go both ways.

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Perhaps you are right - I'll defer to your knowledge of such things.
There you go. Submission doesn't have to be painful.

Speaking of which I am appalled and compelled in equal measure .....

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Post by SM1957 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:44 am

The Daily Stormer went for Corbyn at the last election.

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Post by SM1957 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:59 am

As we all know, the one thing worse than being a Nazi is being a Zionist.

What do Zionists believe that make them such terrible people that they must not be allowed on a university campus?


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Post by feathers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:09 am

Brive1987 wrote:Beware. Spouting shit can go both ways.

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Do I want to know what that is used for? Nope.

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Post by deLurch » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:18 am

MarcusAu wrote:Well - this may prove interesting....
Who is Christopher Cantwell for context? I catch he is at least a member of one of the white identitarians.

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Post by GenerallyFading » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:19 am

feathers wrote:
Malky wrote:
Showing my complete ignorance here but my pit access has been uninterrupted from UK. Why would only some people have an issue?
After the Brexit and your newly-gained freedom, issues of hate speech and increasing influence of the far right no longer have any influence on you.
I'm from the UK and I had similar problems. Maybe the Left just hate me?

You know, I read this page first without logging in, and now....well, those images are now completely visible. I could have gone all my life without seeing them. I am triggered and shaking. I will now return to my day job, thank anyone that I am alone in the office today.... :shifty:

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Post by deLurch » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:24 am

feathers wrote:Also, Antifa will just get better at covering themselves. Remember, of all Antifas, only a few handfuls have been identified this way.

One thing Antifa may learn is to all use the same (brand of) clothes, no branded/coloured backpacks and so on.
A large loosely organized organization that spans multiple cities? And for whom a number of members are poor? I doubt it. Clothes, glasses. Hell, some people just want to stand out and virtue signal in the group to attract the opposite sex.

And if they did some how all fall in line, then police could go to stores and start identifying probable members by purchase patterns.

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Post by feathers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:36 am

SM1957 wrote:As we all know, the one thing worse than being a Nazi is being a Zionist.

What do Zionists believe that make them such terrible people that they must not be allowed on a university campus?
They're basically fascists, jewish edition?

Some of them at least.

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Post by feathers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:39 am

GenerallyFading wrote:
feathers wrote:After the Brexit and your newly-gained freedom, issues of hate speech and increasing influence of the far right no longer have any influence on you.
I'm from the UK and I had similar problems. Maybe the Left just hate me?

You know, I read this page first without logging in, and now....well, those images are now completely visible. I could have gone all my life without seeing them. I am triggered and shaking. I will now return to my day job, thank anyone that I am alone in the office today.... :shifty:
To be clear, my explanation was sarcasm levelled at the likes of VickyBlue and DaveDooDoo (who will likely retort any minute now).

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Post by Suet Cardigan » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:40 am

Brive1987 wrote:for a giggle, here is when Ape+Lust was PZ's Satan. Ie pre Nazi days.

http://archive.is/ohc3Z

A wonderful reaction post to Ape's shoop of PZ daydreaming at Skepticon about Watson.

Entitled "WTF is wrong with you"

:dance: :dance: :lol: :lol:
PZ: I don’t get as much sexual objectification and harassment as the women I’ve talked to...
No shit.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by gurugeorge » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:44 am

deLurch wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Well - this may prove interesting....
Who is Christopher Cantwell for context? I catch he is at least a member of one of the white identitarians.
From what I can gather he was featured on a CNN feature as representative of white identitarians at one of the recent rallies, he bleated about being hunted by police online and people laughed at him, and he said a really quite nasty and stupid thing about the woman who was killed by the car.

Karen wanted to triangulate - get the measure of him to distinguish what he's actually like from what the media have been portraying him as.

A more recent video shows she wasn't terribly impressed - although of course he's not quite as horrible as he's painted, as with many of these people, he's earnest in expressing heartfelt concerns, but perhaps not as thought-through as they could be.

I think part of the thing with the developing white movement is not that it's pro-white (that part of it is fine as far as I'm concerned), it's rather that, having broken taboos in thought, some of these people confuse further momentum in the taboo-breaking direction for genuinely thoughtful exploration of issues. It becomes its own inverted kind of holiness spiral - "How much more edgy can I get, now that I've read Mein Kampf and lived to tell the tale?"

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Post by CommanderTuvok » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:03 am

A stunning rendition of God Save the Queen, for Boris Johnson, courtesy of the Libyan Army band.

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Post by Snapfingers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:12 am

feathers wrote:
Snapfingers wrote:In Valby, Copenhagen, Denmark at the Historical sites of the Carlsberg brewing company, you can't walk 10 meters without seeing a huge swastika. Even on the nearby church (doanted by Carlsberg) there are giant reliefs of swastikas everywhere. It's always fun to show to tourists. The Swastika was the original trademark of Carlsberg until some guys in Münich started using it in their marketing of race-realism. So they change it to a Hops-leaf in the 30's.
I've never noticed, but I was probably too drunk.
If you want to hang out, I'd have fun showing you the sights. I used to live on Valby Langgade. I can even show you the exact bench where Niels Bohr decided to go to USA and help the Manhatten project. He was living in the Carlsberg honorary villa at the time.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:20 am

gurugeorge wrote:I think part of the thing with the developing white movement is not that it's pro-white (that part of it is fine as far as I'm concerned), it's rather that, having broken taboos in thought, some of these people confuse further momentum in the taboo-breaking direction for genuinely thoughtful exploration of issues. It becomes its own inverted kind of holiness spiral - "How much more edgy can I get, now that I've read Mein Kampf and lived to tell the tale?"
It's a problem with the identitarian approach in general. It may start as a genuine concern about some real issues that relate to a specific group, but soon it becomes "my group, right or wrong" until it morphs into "everyone who's not one of us is an impending threat to us".

Hell, the SocJus started in the exact same way. There were genuine concerns that gradually became the backbone of a post-modern, "fluid" approach to manichean divisions between "oppressed" and "oppressors", until everyone who dissented was labeled a shitlord. Carrier was the one who infamously argued that you were either with Atheism Plus, or at least on its side, or with "asshole atheism".

It's better to promote dialogue and a rational approach to issues than to encourage identitarian pride.

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Post by jet_lagg » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:21 am

Fegg wrote:
jet_lagg wrote: The fact is there are millions of Christians that agree the bible is as authoritative as God's own words, though not dictated by God. If that were to change somehow to them believing the scriptures were as authoritative as God's own words, and also literally dictated by God, it wouldn't be of any concern to me. It's like the difference between a schizophrenic who thinks Satan told him to murder people and a schizophrenic who thinks Satan's agent told him to murder people.
No. Because the Bible believer thinks that his sacred text was written by human beings in times, places and situations quite different from his own - you can always make an argument based on trying to understand this context. If a text is understood as a dictation from God, context becomes much less relevant.

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From first hand experience I can tell you that's absolutely not what evangelicals and at least some Methodists believe. The text was directly inspired by God, can be treated as authoritative as God's direct word (moreso, in practice, because if some rando shows up claiming God spoke to him, like with audible words, he gets accused of being deceived by Satan), and furthermore God is unchanging. Again, if someone wants to make homosexuality a capital offense because God specifically told them to do it, and another entirely different person wants to make it capital offense because they someone speaking on God's behalf told them to do it, I don't draw any practical distinction between them. The only argument left is over whose theology has a greater claim to truth, is more internally consistent, etc... Those debates are only interesting to me as a sort of game, like debating what's canon in Star Wars.

Oh, and welcome to the pit btw. Fuck off and all that.

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Post by jet_lagg » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:25 am

And Steersman I figured it's only fair to say I stopped reading the moment I saw you were going to start ranting about ova again. If there was anything after that I missed it.

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Post by John D » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:41 am

The Muslims vs. Christians thing is pretty simple. Even if there are tons of Christians who think the Bible is the literal word of god.... all you have to do is read the most important thing Jesus said. Its the "Sermon on the Mount". You find ANYTHING even remotely similar in Islam and I will leave this line of thought.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=KJV

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:41 am

deLurch wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Well - this may prove interesting....
[youtube.]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCBH1guK96g[/youtube]
Who is Christopher Cantwell for context? I catch he is at least a member of one of the white identitarians.
Pundit. Commentator. Former writer for 'A Voice for Men' (and did not had much good to say about them, or in particular Dean Esmay after he left). Ran the 'Radical Agenda' call in show on Youtube for a bit. Race Realist - or in his own words 'Racist' - White Separatist & Nationalist. Believes in Gun Rights, Lower Taxes and Libertarianim.

I think he's an atheist too - but you know, everyone had their bad points.

If this is not enough - it looks like he is about to hit the big time so there will be plenty of media types profiling him shortly.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:43 am

Fucking :nin: :nin: :nin: 's

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:37 am

James Cameron criticizes the (female) director of the Wonder Woman - for creating a movie which objectifies it's main character (also female).

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/a ... rminator-2

At his point - I'm going to need a diagram to keep the sides straight.

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Post by Tigzy » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:01 am

jet_lagg wrote:And Steersman I figured it's only fair to say I stopped reading the moment I saw you were going to start ranting about ova again.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Luv it! This is gonna be my new sig.

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Post by Fegg » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:02 am

jet_lagg wrote: From first hand experience I can tell you that's absolutely not what evangelicals and at least some Methodists believe. The text was directly inspired by God, can be treated as authoritative as God's direct word (moreso, in practice, because if some rando shows up claiming God spoke to him, like with audible words, he gets accused of being deceived by Satan), and furthermore God is unchanging. Again, if someone wants to make homosexuality a capital offense because God specifically told them to do it, and another entirely different person wants to make it capital offense because they someone speaking on God's behalf told them to do it, I don't draw any practical distinction between them. The only argument left is over whose theology has a greater claim to truth, is more internally consistent, etc... Those debates are only interesting to me as a sort of game, like debating what's canon in Star Wars.
I don't want to discount your lived experience, but everyone has an interpretive framework of some sort when dealing with a text, and there is nothing in evangelicalism which says that the naive approach of your experience is desirable. It may be fairly common, but it can be argued against.

There has been some change in some evangelicals understanding of homosexuality and the Bible and it does involve asking questions like:
- What was Paul condemning? Modern translations usually do a horrible job on this.
- What were the dominant patterns of homosexual behaviour in the parts of the Roman empire Paul was writing to, and was there something else generally wrong apart from homosexuality as such?

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:03 am

As far as the Bible goes I've only read 'The Book of Job' and 'Matthew'

The comic book was good though

https://pictures.abebooks.com/F6410/16993055494.jpg

though it's probably best to start with the book of Geneis

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Post by SM1957 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:06 am

Would Hillary have won if she had reminded the Democrats of their traditions, especially in the South?

Perhaps showing them footage from the 1924 Democratic National Convention?


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Post by SM1957 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:08 am

Would Hillary have won if she had reminded the Democrats of their traditions, especially in the South?

Perhaps showing them footage from the 1924 Democratic National Convention?


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Post by jet_lagg » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:14 am

Fegg wrote:
jet_lagg wrote: From first hand experience I can tell you that's absolutely not what evangelicals and at least some Methodists believe. The text was directly inspired by God, can be treated as authoritative as God's direct word (moreso, in practice, because if some rando shows up claiming God spoke to him, like with audible words, he gets accused of being deceived by Satan), and furthermore God is unchanging. Again, if someone wants to make homosexuality a capital offense because God specifically told them to do it, and another entirely different person wants to make it capital offense because they someone speaking on God's behalf told them to do it, I don't draw any practical distinction between them. The only argument left is over whose theology has a greater claim to truth, is more internally consistent, etc... Those debates are only interesting to me as a sort of game, like debating what's canon in Star Wars.
I don't want to discount your lived experience, <snip>
Oh jesus fucking christ. If me personally taking someone's word for it when they say they believe something is insufficient for you the polling data backs it up as well. If you don't know that it's not my problem.

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Post by Lsuoma » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:41 am

MarcusAu wrote:...bit is it really necessary to call Princess Haifa a 'bint' ?
That's actually the derivation of the British slang. It means girl or daughter in goatfuckerese, and is the female equivalent of bin. Kirb can correct me if I'm wrong.

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Post by screwtape » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:43 am

Here you go Steers - new passports for post-menopausal women.

Canadians to be able to use ‘x’ option for gender on passports

You should change yours in solidarity.

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Post by Shatterface » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:57 am

MarcusAu wrote:James Cameron criticizes the (female) director of the Wonder Woman - for creating a movie which objectifies it's main character (also female).

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/a ... rminator-2

At his point - I'm going to need a diagram to keep the sides straight.
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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:12 am

Lsuoma wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:...bit is it really necessary to call Princess Haifa a 'bint' ?
That's actually the derivation of the British slang. It means girl or daughter in goatfuckerese, and is the female equivalent of bin. Kirb can correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, "bint" means "girl" or "daughter". In the context of a name (as it was shown in the post I've pasted here" it means "daughter of" and its male counterpart ("son of") can be "ibn" or "bin" depending on use ("bin" is more colloquial, given that "ibn" is typical of Classic Arabic, and anyway today "ibn" is often pronounced "bin"). Usually they're shortened to "bt." (for "bint") and "b." (for "ibn" /"bin"). In some areas and contexts "ibnat" is used instead of "bint".

In modern Saudi Arabia "bin" and "bint" are the most common forms, even in writing. See, for example, Usāma bin Muhammad bin Awāḍ bin Lādin, "Osama son of Mohammed son of Awad son of Laden", more known as Osama bin Laden.

And yes, the British derogatory slang "bint" for "woman" originates from Arabic. It's not clear when it came into fashion, probably in the '50s among British soldiers who had served in the Middle East, but it's not sure.

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Post by feathers » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:14 am

Snapfingers wrote:If you want to hang out, I'd have fun showing you the sights. I used to live on Valby Langgade. I can even show you the exact bench where Niels Bohr decided to go to USA and help the Manhatten project. He was living in the Carlsberg honorary villa at the time.
And I can show you where the old bugger is buried :-P

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Post by Cnutella » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:15 am

Dave Smalley has been chumming the waters in all sorts of ways. He gave a talk at the Gateway to Reason conference about the atheist movement eating itself.

Stephonknee Zvann, she no like and has lots to say over on The Orbit.

http://archive.is/5ESMl

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:20 am

shoutinghorse wrote:Give me your children and I'll give you back a frightened, confused and tearful toddler. :lol:

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