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Kirbmarc wrote:I remember when I studied that in the Middle Ages even educated people didn't perceive the past as being different from the present and wrote about Ancient Greeks and Romans as if they shared the same moral ideas and social mores of their age.
Well they also spent centuries painting Biblical and Classical mythological scenes with characters wearing whatever the contemporary fashion was.

Maybe on some level they were aware that this could not have been what those characters, had some of them been real, would have worn at the time those stories were reputed to take place. But then again maybe they never gave it a second thought.
The artists were certainly aware that fashions changed, even if they were a bit vague on what the ancients in question wore.

The big difference is that the audience would have no way to interpret the social meaning of ancient clothing even if the artists could get it exactly right. They packed a lot of meaning into the choice of (for them) modern clothes.

For the same reason, there is little chance that a period drama set in the 18th century filmed today will show historically correct table manners - the audience would have no idea how to interpret anything they found abnormal.

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I've found that even when films and tv shows try to be authentic they inevitably incorporate elements of the present that become glaringly obvious as time goes by. I have many different versions of Robin Hood on DVD.

The Seventies series The Legend of Robin Hood was praised for its authenticity (the cast, for instance, were required to bathe in river water). Now it looks like a bunch of hippies. The more pagan Eighties Robin of Sherwood now looks like an Eighties shampoo commercial. The BBCs more recent Robin Hood stars a bunch of hoodies.

Artists in antiquity didn't have the benefit of archaeologists and forensic experts reconstructing authentic clothing from shreds of cloth. They might know that the Greeks wore 'robes' but the exact nature of those robes would be a mystery so they just went with what they knew.

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Tigzy wrote:Submitted without irony, apparently.
Does Peez describe MythCon as "a haven for rapists"?

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Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:Let them contact my employer. He is the greatest guy in the world. He would be completely understanding.
You work for yourself, then?

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Submitted without irony, apparently.
Does Peez describe MythCon as "a haven for rapists"?
According to this interview, the only person he ever mentioned as a rapist was Michael Shermer and then after only carefully gathering the overwhelming evidence and eyewitness testimony and that was it. No mention of claiming rapists were posting on Mick's blog, not a peep about getting his sorry ass sued by Sticky Dicky.
Near the end of the interview, Clark brought up that callous ugly post he made about Robin William's suicide. Apparently made a comment that disagreed with PZ and got banned. :lol: He understands it now though after hearing how PZ has been so badly harassed by awful trolls.

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free thoughtpolice wrote: Near the end of the interview, Clark brought up that callous ugly post he made about Robin William's suicide. Apparently made a comment that disagreed with PZ and got banned. :lol: He understands it now though after hearing how PZ has been so badly harassed by awful trolls.
Meyers:
When I blocked you, I was totally unaware of who you were.

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Thomas is having trouble getting past his Mythcon weekend. I believe the boy was scarred.

And Peez is a lying shitbag right out the gate. He says the original impetus for New Atheism had an unreasonable fixation on Islam, particularly from Sam Harris, and that there was a "racial bias" to it. He calls it New Atheism's original sin.

Yeah Peez, that's why Harris' followup was called Letter to a Christian Nation. He sure couldn't hold a fixation for very long. And as I've said before, the original stuff from Harris that churned Peez's grits was written in 2004, but Peez didn't go full GRRAAR on him until after the 2011 schism. That's a long stretch of latitude for a fucking racist.

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Seeing as at least one person here may be interested :

Dear Entire World: #Viking ‘Allah’ textile actually doesn't have Allah on it. Vikings had rich contacts w/Arab world. This textile? No.

This was a better use of my time than the fevered imaginings some numpty made up about "White supremacists".

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Ape wrote:
And Peez is a lying shitbag right out the gate.
And he got worse as the interview went on. If you had a drinking game with a teaspoon of beer every time he told a whopper you could either drown or kill a person by alcohol poisoning several times over.

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Shatterface wrote:I've found that even when films and tv shows try to be authentic they inevitably incorporate elements of the present that become glaringly obvious as time goes by. I have many different versions of Robin Hood on DVD.

The Seventies series The Legend of Robin Hood was praised for its authenticity (the cast, for instance, were required to bathe in river water). Now it looks like a bunch of hippies. The more pagan Eighties Robin of Sherwood now looks like an Eighties shampoo commercial. The BBCs more recent Robin Hood stars a bunch of hoodies.

Artists in antiquity didn't have the benefit of archaeologists and forensic experts reconstructing authentic clothing from shreds of cloth. They might know that the Greeks wore 'robes' but the exact nature of those robes would be a mystery so they just went with what they knew.
Remember "Maid Marian and her Merry Men", a kids TV programme from the early 90s. I watched that at the time, was mildly amused. I imagine its shite, now. Tony Robinson was in it. He's an irritating socialist, these days.

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CommanderTuvok wrote:
Shatterface wrote:I've found that even when films and tv shows try to be authentic they inevitably incorporate elements of the present that become glaringly obvious as time goes by. I have many different versions of Robin Hood on DVD.

The Seventies series The Legend of Robin Hood was praised for its authenticity (the cast, for instance, were required to bathe in river water). Now it looks like a bunch of hippies. The more pagan Eighties Robin of Sherwood now looks like an Eighties shampoo commercial. The BBCs more recent Robin Hood stars a bunch of hoodies.

Artists in antiquity didn't have the benefit of archaeologists and forensic experts reconstructing authentic clothing from shreds of cloth. They might know that the Greeks wore 'robes' but the exact nature of those robes would be a mystery so they just went with what they knew.
Remember "Maid Marian and her Merry Men", a kids TV programme from the early 90s. I watched that at the time, was mildly amused. I imagine its shite, now. Tony Robinson was in it. He's an irritating socialist, these days.
I imagine if they made it now, half of the Merry Men would have to be ethnicities other than white, with a gay or trans thrown in. Maid Marion would have to be a martial artist who doesn't need Robin to rescue her.

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Ape+lust wrote:Thomas is having trouble getting past his Mythcon weekend. I believe the boy was scarred.

And Peez is a lying shitbag right out the gate. He says the original impetus for New Atheism had an unreasonable fixation on Islam, particularly from Sam Harris, and that there was a "racial bias" to it. He calls it New Atheism's original sin.

Yeah Peez, that's why Harris' followup was called Letter to a Christian Nation. He sure couldn't hold a fixation for very long. And as I've said before, the original stuff from Harris that churned Peez's grits was written in 2004, but Peez didn't go full GRRAAR on him until after the 2011 schism. That's a long stretch of latitude for a fucking racist.

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The original focus of the New Atheists was largely on the science denying Christian Right. Looking back its clear cunts like Myers jumped on the bandwagon to bash the Republicans. It was never about science or rationality for them, always politics.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:Let them contact my employer. He is the greatest guy in the world. He would be completely understanding.
You work for yourself, then?
Yes. But these days, I'm a lazy fuck, and don't work so much.

I would LOVE for an SJW to call me, thinking they were outing me to my "employer". The fun I could have with them

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Ape wrote:
And Peez is a lying shitbag right out the gate.
And he got worse as the interview went on. If you had a drinking game with a teaspoon of beer every time he told a whopper you could either drown or kill a person by alcohol poisoning several times over.
Or get so drunk that you would wanna have sex with Big Red ???

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katamari Damassi wrote:I imagine if they made it now, half of the Merry Men would have to be ethnicities other than white, with a gay or trans thrown in. Maid Marion would have to be a martial artist who doesn't need Robin to rescue her.
That's a pretty fair description of the last BBC version. They even made Robin a pacifist. So they even rendered the one universally accepted attribute of the character - his archery skills - pointless.

I was talking more about the way that the 'authentic' look always being filtered through modern fashions though no matter how hard they try to avoid it. The political changes are usually deliberate.

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Can't say I'm surprised...

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CommanderTuvok wrote: He's an irritating socialist, these days.
He was an irritating socialist in those days. John Wayne should have shot him while he was in the water.

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Bhurzum wrote: Can't say I'm surprised...
Anthropologists are evil.

First I tussled with Naked Anthropologist who insisted the nazi movement was founded by Martin Luther, now it's been Spiritual Anthropologist, who thinks acupuncture and ayurveda work, and insists that each social science gets to have its own version of the "scientific method" (which, in any case is "an ignorant phrase") and it's okay for social science studies to not be reproducible. Oh, and everything we know about brain science came from "unethical experiments".

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It's sad that anthropology would devolve so far, having been founded by serious scholars as an excuse for taking peyote and eating monkey brains with half-naked men.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Anthropologists are evil.

First I tussled with Naked Anthropologist who insisted the nazi movement was founded by Martin Luther, now it's been Spiritual Anthropologist, who thinks acupuncture and ayurveda work, and insists that each social science gets to have its own version of the "scientific method" (which, in any case is "an ignorant phrase") and it's okay for social science studies to not be reproducible. Oh, and everything we know about brain science came from "unethical experiments".

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Yup.

It's the closest thing we have to eugenics in our society right now. And I 100% mean that.

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Ape+lust wrote:Thomas is having trouble getting past his Mythcon weekend. I believe the boy was scarred.

And Peez is a lying shitbag right out the gate. He says the original impetus for New Atheism had an unreasonable fixation on Islam, particularly from Sam Harris, and that there was a "racial bias" to it. He calls it New Atheism's original sin.

Yeah Peez, that's why Harris' followup was called Letter to a Christian Nation. He sure couldn't hold a fixation for very long. And as I've said before, the original stuff from Harris that churned Peez's grits was written in 2004, but Peez didn't go full GRRAAR on him until after the 2011 schism. That's a long stretch of latitude for a fucking racist.

https://imgur.com/CmDPX7V.jpg
These days there is no mistaking what PZ is doing. Throwing shit at his betters.

Harris has a series of successful books and a podcast where he talks to leading intellectuals in a variety of fields. He's well regarded and has a good reach. PZ has one (1) embarrassing vanity publication and a blog where he mostly sits in his own shitty bathwater and screams about things that upset him. There's no comparison.

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Shatterface wrote:It's sad that anthropology would devolve so far, having been founded by serious scholars as an excuse for taking peyote and eating monkey brains with half-naked men.
You forgot Margaret Mead pulling trains in Samoa and calling it 'field study''.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:According to this interview, the only person he ever mentioned as a rapist was Michael Shermer and then after only carefully gathering the overwhelming evidence and eyewitness testimony and that was it. No mention of claiming rapists were posting on Mick's blog, not a peep about getting his sorry ass sued by Sticky Dicky.
I'd almost be willing to bet the farm this is Randazza's doing. Guy probably told Peez he'd drop him like a hot potato if he kept doing the shit that makes his job harder.

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Bhurzum wrote: Can't say I'm surprised...
So science is constructed by the society the scientists live in?

Perhaps our universities are finally coming round to teach the idea of 'Aryan physics' and 'Jewish science'.

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Ape+lust wrote:And Peez is a lying shitbag right out the gate. He says the original impetus for New Atheism had an unreasonable fixation on Islam, particularly from Sam Harris, and that there was a "racial bias" to it. He calls it New Atheism's original sin.

Yeah Peez, that's why Harris' followup was called Letter to a Christian Nation. He sure couldn't hold a fixation for very long. And as I've said before, the original stuff from Harris that churned Peez's grits was written in 2004, but Peez didn't go full GRRAAR on him until after the 2011 schism. That's a long stretch of latitude for a fucking racist.
Yup. New Atheism was all about Christianity, so much that the Christians called it persecution. Dawkins was all about Creationism, Harris all about the influence of the Religious Right in US politics, Hitchens wrote a book about Mother Theresa, Dennett clashed with Christian religious apologists.

As for islam, here's a few choice quotes from the Big Peeze himself:
PZ Myers wrote:Atheists don’t like Islam. We also don’t like Catholicism, Episcopalianism, or whatever jelly-like dribble Karen Armstrong is peddling today. But I would still say that Islam as a religion is nastier and more barbaric than, say, Anglicanism. The Anglicans do not have as a point of doctrine that it is commendable to order the execution of writers or webcomic artists, nor that a reasonable punishment for adultery is to stone the woman to death. That is not islamophobia: that is recognizing the primitive and cruel realities of a particularly vile religion, in the same way that we can condemn Catholicism for its evil policies towards women and its sheltering of pedophile priests. We can place various cults on a relatively objective scale of repugnance for their attitudes towards human rights, education, equality, honesty, etc., and on civil liberties, you know, that stuff we liberals are supposed to care about, Islam as a whole is damnably bad.
Myers again wrote:“Religion of Peace,” my ass; Islam is the religion of ignorance and hate.
The boy wonder from Morris, Minnesota wrote:Islam is a weakling’s religion. After all, some Muslims fall apart into frightened hysterics when someone draws a cartoon
The Lying Atheist wrote:Strip away the fear-mongering and hatred from Islam, and it would still be a religion of ignorance and delusions.
Mr. I Am More Moral Than You wrote:We live in a world where some Muslims will kill random people if someone insults their magic, holy book.
Informing me that the Muslims are genuinely and sincerely and deeply offended is not informative — contrary to the suggestion that I must have an empathy deficit to be unaware of that, I know that and appreciate the fact that their feelings are hurt and they are angry and outraged. My point is that I don’t care, and neither should anyone else.
Islam … seems to be even more narrow and provincial than other religions in lacking any awareness of the fact that the majority of the people on the planet do not hold their beliefs in any great reverence, and that they don’t get to respond by demanding that we treat their superstitions as sacred
Mr. I Think Sam Harris is A Big Fat Racist wrote:In Iraq, women who violate “Islamic teachings” are tortured and murdered. The “Islamic teachings” that are so important that violators must be tortured and beheaded involve wearing a headscarf.
The uniform application of secular law is what a civilized society demands, not a patchwork of piecemeal laws which apply differently to different people, and especially not the corrupting insanity of irrational, hateful, vile nonsense like Islam.
'nuff said. Myers is turning more and more into CJ Werleman, retconning his own focus on islam to appear more morally righteous before his SocJus friends.

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Old_ones wrote:These days there is no mistaking what PZ is doing. Throwing shit at his betters.

Harris has a series of successful books and a podcast where he talks to leading intellectuals in a variety of fields. He's well regarded and has a good reach. PZ has one (1) embarrassing vanity publication and a blog where he mostly sits in his own shitty bathwater and screams about things that upset him. There's no comparison.
Jerry Coyne has done a lot more than Peezus (an actually successful book). Hemant Mehta has surpassed him (compare The Friendly Atheist to The Happy Atheist). Hell, even Carrier, who's a massive lolcow, is more active than PeeZie and has written a more successful book (it's full of stupid shit but at least it's not a copy-paste of blog posts).

PZ is a has-been who likely was a never-was, and now raves and rants in his private corner on the Internet, which even the more SJ part of his bloggers had left to create "the Orbit". He's just trying to capitalize on every cheap SocJus outrage, but even that will get old fast.

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Obviously, what atheists need is a priestly caste to help guide them in the the correct direction - in order to avoid becoming misogynists and rapists.

Even if this were true - PZ long ago shat the bed on any hope of him having much influence for the moral guidance of others.

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I recently had my phone start providing me with unasked-for battery life notifications. Ones that inconveniently turned my screen on and would never let it turn itself off until the notification was dealt with, meaning if I failed to notice or it was the middle of the night and I was fucking asleep, the phone would cheerfully await my input as the active screen sucked out the last bits of battery power that ostensibly it wanted me to take action to conserve. Fucking insanity.

Anyway I found the culprit, some pre-installed piece of shit app called Peel Remote. And I'm very late to the party as apparently the entire world hates it as much as I do already. Finally got that shit turned off though.

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From time to time I try to point out to the "Trump must go" and "Anyone but Trump" people that if Trump was gone ... then you would have Mike Pence and this is a problem.

You are jumping from the frying pan right into the fire. The Danger of President Pence You can not just get rid on Trump. You have to get rid of Pence at the same time.

Of course I am a bit biased myself. I like Trump because he is yugely entertaining. He is on Twatter and his PR team must be nervous wrecks who are afraid to sleep and when they do they have nightmares.

Best of all I can defend Canukistan from Americans who point out that our PM (great head of hair) is unfortunately dumber than a bag of hammers by saying one word.

Trump!

Whatever man. Fuck (Die Antwoord)

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AndrewV69 wrote:From time to time I try to point out to the "Trump must go" and "Anyone but Trump" people that if Trump was gone ... then you would have Mike Pence and this is a problem.
Which honestly gets less scary as the days go by, as the main driver of any policy change will always be Congressional Republicans, who can't seem to pass a bill to save their skin.

Probably the only downside to losing Trump is that Pence is less likely to be combative and throw shade at Republicans when they trip over their own feet, but it's hard for me to care that much. It's a little entertaining when Trump buddies up to Reps one day and flings shit at them the next, but it probably doesn't impact policy all that much, really.

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A lot of Left-liberal atheists, including San Harris, have said they'd take Pence over Trump.

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Shatterface wrote:A lot of Left-liberal atheists, including San Harris, have said they'd take Pence over Trump.
I think that Pence would be more of a "normal" Republican president than Trump. I see that George W. Bush has been rehabilitated by many, even though he wasn't better than Trump when it came to giving aid after a hurricane (has anyone forgotten about Katrina?) or in foreign policy, or on healthcare, or in terms of support for the Religious Right. NeoCons like David Frum or Max Boot, who were the architects of the US' disastrous foreign policy in MENA countries, are also now media darlings again.

Trump's biggest sin that tells him apart from other GOP leaders is being a troll/provocateur/"fucking moron" and having winked more than a few times to the "alt-right". In practice, though, he's not actually much worse than Bush or Pence, only more likely to pick fights on Twitter and use idiotic rhetoric. Pence would likely be less of an embarrassment for the US even though little would change in terms of laws or policies.

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For example for all of his saber-rattling about "radical islam" Trump has still supported the Saudis and is still hostile to Iran. He blundered in with his reference to Qatar as "the bad guys", but Tillerson has efficiently covered that up. Nothing has really changed, the US are still supporting the Salafi plans for the Middle East.

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Ultimately that's true of pretty much all of Trump's presidency so far: lots of political embarrassments, gaffs and blunders, but the GOP policies have stayed pretty much the same, except maybe for less focus on trade deals and more on internal policies. Pence would hardly bring any changes, but he'd likely avoid the Twitter fights and outbursts that have characterized Trump.

It all comes down to what you prefer, the boastful President whose ideas are all there for everyone to see or the more shrewd President who enacts the same laws but doesn't brag about it.

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I have only seen Trump be awesome. I'm always a little surprised when people come out with this, no he's an eejit shit.

America is doing great as far as I can tell.

I'm fucking hyped by his cutting of regulations, illegal immigration is down, and he's calling out the hate every motherfucker has for Israel. He is playing a bold game of madman foreign policy which I kinda expected. Meanwhile the press are in fucking hilarious meltdown. First time in my life I'm like fuck I wanna be an American.

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I really can't see why I am supporting women by jerking off without porn. I don't have a twitter account, so can one of you ask her how that works?

:cdc:

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Old_ones wrote:These days there is no mistaking what PZ is doing. Throwing shit at his betters.

Harris has a series of successful books and a podcast where he talks to leading intellectuals in a variety of fields. He's well regarded and has a good reach. PZ has one (1) embarrassing vanity publication and a blog where he mostly sits in his own shitty bathwater and screams about things that upset him. There's no comparison.
Jerry Coyne has done a lot more than Peezus (an actually successful book). Hemant Mehta has surpassed him (compare The Friendly Atheist to The Happy Atheist). Hell, even Carrier, who's a massive lolcow, is more active than PeeZie and has written a more successful book (it's full of stupid shit but at least it's not a copy-paste of blog posts).

PZ is a has-been who likely was a never-was, and now raves and rants in his private corner on the Internet, which even the more SJ part of his bloggers had left to create "the Orbit". He's just trying to capitalize on every cheap SocJus outrage, but even that will get old fast.
I think if you get right down to it, his main claim to fame is the stupid stunt with the cracker. His blog posts have gotten worse, but they were never brilliant.

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Sarkessian gets another 15min on.... you've guessed it The Guardian.

There' s quite a bit of kick back against her martyrdom/canonisation in the comments. though judging by upvotes , it's neck and neck
as to where the BTL opinion is.


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Emotional Support Animal :liar:

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Old_ones wrote:I think if you get right down to it, his main claim to fame is the stupid stunt with the cracker. His blog posts have gotten worse, but they were never brilliant.
Yes, it's a classic case of someone who's too ambitious for his own talent. PeeZee was never going to be in the same league of Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and Dennett, and he's not even that good when compared to other atheist bloggers.

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
#TotallyNotACult #ScientologyEnvy

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I find it bitterly ironic that the reaction to feminist/progressive-friendly men like Weinstein being outed as sexual harassers and hypocrites isn't to question whether ideology is really effective at reducing sexual harassment, but to double down and demand more ideological allegiances.

It's the same things that happens any time a christian or muslim is found out as using their religion as a way to exploit others. The apologists say that they weren't "True Christians/True Muslims" and demand MORE teaching of their ideas as a solution.

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VickyCaramel wrote: I am very glad to hear from you and Lsuoma about this. Usually this forum makes me feel old, however my experiences of Pyramid power were in the late 1980s. =D
pyramid.jpg
Pyramid power can make your homeopathic medicines 333x more potent.... just remember to put a crystal on top which is where i think i was going wrong.
No, it's the wrong sort of crystal! You need these four:
http://youbentmywookie.com/wookie/galle ... ones_9.jpg

and one of these:
https://howcanulikethat.files.wordpress ... leeloo.jpg

You'll need to re-read Lyall Watson's Supernature (which is probably in the same dusty box in the attic as the collection of von Daniken exposés) to get all the details. Don't forget to play Mozart to your tomato plants and to stick electrodes into cacti as a free energy source. I remember some otherwise rational people being really sucked into all that shit in the early seventies.

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Season 7 of HWNDU has begun.

https://8ch.net/hwndu/index.html


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There are no 'survivors' when there are no casualties.

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Thomas/PZ podcast is the purest distillation of butthurt.

Particularly good parts:

When both of them agree that what Dawkins did to Watson was horrible, but PZ doesn't acknowledge he did the same thing. PZ has an incredible capacity to sublimate history and view it in his favor.

Atheism+ was destroyed by external hate, and not ripped apart by internal viciousness of the SJWs themselves.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Old_ones wrote:I think if you get right down to it, his main claim to fame is the stupid stunt with the cracker. His blog posts have gotten worse, but they were never brilliant.
Yes, it's a classic case of someone who's too ambitious for his own talent. PeeZee was never going to be in the same league of Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and Dennett, and he's not even that good when compared to other atheist bloggers.
I think it's more entitlement that ambition. It's not like he tried and failed, he just expected to be treated like a horseman because reasons. He put zero effort into it.

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People are perhaps underestimating PZ a bit - he had (or has) a talent for spewing bile to rival Hitchens. Which definitely found favour with the online atheist movement for a bit (and still does for some).

I don't fault him too much for that - but without other virtues (such as honesty & charity) he was always bound to become tiresome.

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Shatterface wrote:I've found that even when films and tv shows try to be authentic they inevitably incorporate elements of the present that become glaringly obvious as time goes by. I have many different versions of Robin Hood on DVD.

The Seventies series The Legend of Robin Hood was praised for its authenticity (the cast, for instance, were required to bathe in river water). Now it looks like a bunch of hippies. The more pagan Eighties Robin of Sherwood now looks like an Eighties shampoo commercial. The BBCs more recent Robin Hood stars a bunch of hoodies.

Artists in antiquity didn't have the benefit of archaeologists and forensic experts reconstructing authentic clothing from shreds of cloth. They might know that the Greeks wore 'robes' but the exact nature of those robes would be a mystery so they just went with what they knew.

This is especially true of painting- so many famous painting of religious icons and the crusades etc actually just depict the styles and armour technology of the day.
Things like Arthurian knights are 15th century in the popular imagination, however those stories date from far earlier- before plate armour etc. When you read old Arthurian legends, Excalibur isn't so much imbued with magical power as it is made from exceptionally strong metal that will cut through shields. Something the Britons fighting the Saxons would have considered incredibly useful to have.

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MarcusAu wrote:People are perhaps underestimating PZ a bit - he had (or has) a talent for spewing bile to rival Hitchens. Which definitely found favour with the online atheist movement for a bit (and still does for some).

I don't fault him too much for that - but without other virtues (such as honesty & charity) he was always bound to become tiresome.
Dishonesty is his major fault; everything else kind of flows from that. The fact that he can sit and discuss blackballing by Dawkins without confessing his own actions is typical for him. They're either lies of omission, or he's just daffy and doesn't connect the dots. I can't tell which is true. It doesn't really matter anyway. I don't think PZ is consciously evil. He's just so fucked in the head he can't help himself, which is infuriating. It's like the geek in high school who kept getting the shit beat out of him for doing annoying stuff. You wanted to help him, but not really.

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Point of Inquiry: To what extent is PZ like Piggy in Lord of the Flies. Discuss....

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Suet Cardigan wrote: I really can't see why I am supporting women by jerking off without porn. I don't have a twitter account, so can one of you ask her how that works?

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Dr Richard Carrier PHD really is a feminist ally. He doesn't jack off to porn. He jacks off on real live female faces LOLOLOL

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Shatterface wrote:It's sad that anthropology would devolve so far, having been founded by serious scholars as an excuse for taking peyote and eating monkey brains with half-naked men.
You forgot Margaret Mead pulling trains in Samoa and calling it 'field study''.
Only for Derek Freeman to do some asking around after the fact, and find out things might not be as they seemed. "Of course we don't really do those things. We were fucking with that white bitch. Did she actually put that in her book?"

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deLurch wrote:Season 7 of HWNDU has begun.

https://8ch.net/hwndu/index.html
I'm more hyped for this than anything on TV. Any other fans?

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jet_lagg wrote:
deLurch wrote:Season 7 of HWNDU has begun.

https://8ch.net/hwndu/index.html
I'm more hyped for this than anything on TV. Any other fans?
Right here, boss.

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Flame-throwing drone - I have £10 riding on it.

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The Liverpool's Closed Saga was nuts. I was shouting at my wife while watching it unfold on twitter. It's- it's the fucking protagonist from Watch Dogs! This is real life right now!

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Hey,

Any of you heard of Sam Kriss? I've heard that name, and I;ve got a feeling he's something of a SJW arsehole.

But anyway, he's trending on Twitter, and there seems to be accusations, quelle surprise, of naughty behaviour.

I'm off to investigate.

:D

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Old_ones wrote:These days there is no mistaking what PZ is doing. Throwing shit at his betters.

Harris has a series of successful books and a podcast where he talks to leading intellectuals in a variety of fields. He's well regarded and has a good reach. PZ has one (1) embarrassing vanity publication and a blog where he mostly sits in his own shitty bathwater and screams about things that upset him. There's no comparison.
Jerry Coyne has done a lot more than Peezus (an actually successful book). Hemant Mehta has surpassed him (compare The Friendly Atheist to The Happy Atheist). Hell, even Carrier, who's a massive lolcow, is more active than PeeZie and has written a more successful book (it's full of stupid shit but at least it's not a copy-paste of blog posts).

PZ is a has-been who likely was a never-was, and now raves and rants in his private corner on the Internet, which even the more SJ part of his bloggers had left to create "the Orbit". He's just trying to capitalize on every cheap SocJus outrage, but even that will get old fast.
Don't forget, Peez wrote a book on evolution, Natural Revolution. It was rejected by the publishers.

Hemant is a clickbait monger who knows controversy sells. 400-comment scrums are his bread & butter. Peez is the lonely geek who wants to be liked. Page view totals that dropped off the face of the Earth are the price he paid for having a dozen sycophants praising him for his SJW virtue.

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jet_lagg wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Shatterface wrote:It's sad that anthropology would devolve so far, having been founded by serious scholars as an excuse for taking peyote and eating monkey brains with half-naked men.
You forgot Margaret Mead pulling trains in Samoa and calling it 'field study''.
Only for Derek Freeman to do some asking around after the fact, and find out things might not be as they seemed. "Of course we don't really do those things. We were fucking with that white bitch. Did she actually put that in her book?"
Hey, results don't need to be reproducible in anthropology! How ignorant of you.

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