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Lsuoma wrote: Which district is Wuzilla running in?
She will not be challenging Rep. Katherine Clark of the 5th District, with whom she shares a suite of advocacy concerns,[8] but rather Rep. Stephen F. Lynch of the 8th District, in an announcement she made on Twitter.[16]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brianna_Wu

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Cabal wrote: Not sure if anyone else has encountered this but while discussing that Cat Person shit today, in the context of discussing unreasonable fear and generalisation of men as a group, I got that stat thrown at me again of “but two women are murdered by their partners each week in the UK!”

.....two women? Out of how many in the UK? And you’re using this to claim it’s ok to fear men as a class? Fuck off. Just fuck off. The odds are higher of you getting hit by a car, are you even more scared of traffic? Bollocks. It’s not even two women, it’s barely one and a half on average, and they’ve made a massive rounding up of the number. 52 women a year dying out of however many tens of millions in the UK means schrodinger’s rapist is a reasonable way to live, but men kill themselves at 35 times a higher rate - do we see 35 times the concern for that? From anyone? There is no sense of proportionality in these reactions, but they throw this stat out as if their reaction is some kind of rational cost/benefit analysis and yet they aren’t as “scared” of things they are more likely to be a victim of.

Sorry for the ranting. I daren’t talk about this stuff publicly anymore after this MeToo witch hunt, and I just feel like the world has gone completely mad, and it makes me so goddamn fucking angry being preached at about equality by these hypocrites, and no-one seems willing to call them out as the hypocrites they are. And I thought Christians were problematic.

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Like everything else in mainstream culture, the story is a way to shit on their deranged concept of men. The protagonist of the story is exactly like the Jezebel Salon type feminists: weak, but thinks she is strong. Makes her own choices, but blames others for her unhappiness.

And if you thought the story could be about starting a meaningful conversation, some feminist started a Twitter account to shame men who dared engage in the all-woman discussion which, as I am sure you noticed, is homogenous.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mencatperson?lang=en

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Billie from Ockham wrote: I was under the impression that a Mary Sue is simply a character that is just too perfect (and is maybe also unlikable because of this). I didn't think we needed to do any kind of analysis (or, worse, deconstruction) to make this judgment. Was I wrong about this?
Like I said above, if a Mary Sue is simply an idealised character what do we call an idealised version of the author inserted into a pre-existing fictional universe?

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This Mary Sue analysis could be usefully applied to other movies too:

Goodfellas - Mary Sue
Clerks - Mary Sue
I was Monty's Double - Mary Sue

...and the list continues.

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As for the Mary Sue argument: the point of the Mary Sue is that she is an artificial addition who offers undeserved wish fulfillment for the writer or, as in this case, deranged feminist "journalists" who live in Brooklyn and went to Brown and who have never suffered discrimination, but got a degree in a phony major and who know in their souls they are worthless.

These "journalists" see Rey and think, "Holy shit. I know Fuck all about the Force and I have been prepared for nothing outside of whining, but you know what? I'll bet I could defeat Kylo Ren and fly the Falcon just because I am me."

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Ok, Kirk is a perfect character that everyone in Star Trek loves. He's the youngest captain in Star Fleet history, he's the only person ever to pass the Kobayashi Mary test, he saves the universe every week.

Wesley Crusher is an annoying, prissy super intelligent nerd who's first name is also Gene Roddenbery's middle name.

One of these is a hero, one of them is a Mary Sue. Nobody can really call Wesley Crusher a hero. We need a specific term that distinguishes avatars like Crusher from entirely fictional characters that we can never hope to emulate.

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Really? wrote: As for the Mary Sue argument: the point of the Mary Sue is that she is an artificial addition who offers undeserved wish fulfillment for the writer or, as in this case, deranged feminist "journalists" who live in Brooklyn and went to Brown and who have never suffered discrimination, but got a degree in a phony major and who know in their souls they are worthless.

These "journalists" see Rey and think, "Holy shit. I know Fuck all about the Force and I have been prepared for nothing outside of whining, but you know what? I'll bet I could defeat Kylo Ren and fly the Falcon just because I am me."
It's written and directed by Rian Johnson.

The lead character in Brick might be a smarter, witter version of Johnson, but Rey?

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Shatterface wrote:
Really? wrote: As for the Mary Sue argument: the point of the Mary Sue is that she is an artificial addition who offers undeserved wish fulfillment for the writer or, as in this case, deranged feminist "journalists" who live in Brooklyn and went to Brown and who have never suffered discrimination, but got a degree in a phony major and who know in their souls they are worthless.

These "journalists" see Rey and think, "Holy shit. I know Fuck all about the Force and I have been prepared for nothing outside of whining, but you know what? I'll bet I could defeat Kylo Ren and fly the Falcon just because I am me."
It's written and directed by Rian Johnson.

The lead character in Brick might be a smarter, witter version of Johnson, but Rey?
That is why I said "or." And Johnson inherited Rey from JJ Abrams, who has made a career out of, "Fuck it. I'll bet I can make a Star Wars/Spielberg/Star Trek movie. It doesn't have to be good or faithful to the inspiration. As long as my name is on the poster, we're cool."

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I have a generalised hatred of TV Tropes style criticism where reviewers mistake the imposition of some kind of taxonomy on its contents for genuine analysis. Okay, this film has a Laconic Detective and a Femme Fatale. Now what? Where's the analysis?

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Really? wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: I thought this was interesting - some of the usual suspects turn up (ie Pepe, Mike Cernovich)...and then we have PZ's lawyer himself - Mark Randazza, who is involved in the sense he is defending the 'Alt-Right''s free speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ1-P1X2ue8

Suck on it PZ - this is the guy that is going to profit from any donations given to your legal defense.
PZ on Pepe in June 2016.

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This video made me giggle. The way some freak out over a green frog, similar to how some freak out over "it's OK to be white", is hilarious.

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Really? wrote: That is why I said "or."
The example you gave as your 'or' was so specific I ignored it.
And Johnson inherited Rey from JJ Abrams, who has made a career out of, "Fuck it. I'll bet I can make a Star Wars/Spielberg/Star Trek movie. It doesn't have to be good or faithful to the inspiration. As long as my name is on the poster, we're cool."
How is The Force Awakems not faithful to its inspiration?

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Forgive me, but your reply-in-the-form-of-a-new-question, Shatterface, appeared to be something along the lines of "no, that isn't the definition, because, if it were, then I wouldn't have a label for a slightly different concept (that I care more about)." But if we reserve "Mary Sue" for idealized characters that are based on the author, we won't have a more general label for characters who are too perfect regardless of author.

But you're actually dead to me for calling it the "Kobayashi Mary" test (even if that's a hilarious slip in this context). Or maybe I'll just refer to any character who is too perfect (with or without any psychoanalysis of the author) as a "Maru Sue." It does have a nice ring to it.

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Shatterface wrote:
Really? wrote: That is why I said "or."
The example you gave as your 'or' was so specific I ignored it.
And Johnson inherited Rey from JJ Abrams, who has made a career out of, "Fuck it. I'll bet I can make a Star Wars/Spielberg/Star Trek movie. It doesn't have to be good or faithful to the inspiration. As long as my name is on the poster, we're cool."
How is The Force Awakems not faithful to its inspiration?
Because all JJ and his hack writers did was get a copy of the Episode IV script and replace the character names. The greenest soap opera director could have done a better job with a Star Wars movie and would have done better fan service, too.

Abrams is a world class bullshitter. "No, the baddie isn't Khan. No, this isn't a remake of Star Trek II. No, the movie doesn't obliterate 50 years of canon. No, there is more to Rey than we know. It isn't as though she is some random person who has no connection whatsoever to 40 years of canon."

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Shatterface wrote:
Really? wrote: That is why I said "or."
The example you gave as your 'or' was so specific I ignored it.
And Johnson inherited Rey from JJ Abrams, who has made a career out of, "Fuck it. I'll bet I can make a Star Wars/Spielberg/Star Trek movie. It doesn't have to be good or faithful to the inspiration. As long as my name is on the poster, we're cool."
How is The Force Awakems not faithful to its inspiration?
Because all JJ and his hack writers did was get a copy of the Episode IV script and replace the character names. The greenest soap opera director could have done a better job with a Star Wars movie and would have done better fan service, too.

Abrams is a world class bullshitter. "No, the baddie isn't Khan. No, this isn't a remake of Star Trek II. No, the movie doesn't obliterate 50 years of canon. No, there is more to Rey than we know. It isn't as though she is some random person who has no connection whatsoever to 40 years of canon."

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Shatterface wrote: The reason I detest the term Mary Sue is that we go through this every cunting year. A Mary Sue isn't an idealised character, it's an obvious cunting idealised avatar of the author. That's not what Rey is.

If we have to use the fucking term, it is more applicable to Luke who is the same George Lucas avatar you find in THX1138 and American Graffiti: the small town kid who realises the only thing that is holding him back is his fear of the unknown and his sense of obligation.

A Mary Sue is not an idealised character. That's a saint or a paragon.

If you extend the term beyond its relationship to an idealised version of the author what fucking term do we use for that?

And like I said at the start, it's every fucking year we go through this same conversation.
That's the original definiation as I understood some ten years ago(referring to Blomkvist as a Mary Sue of Stig Larrson in Girl With the Dragon Tattoo), but things change.

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Shatterface wrote: Ok, Kirk is a perfect character that everyone in Star Trek loves. He's the youngest captain in Star Fleet history, he's the only person ever to pass the Kobayashi Mary test, he saves the universe every week.

Wesley Crusher is an annoying, prissy super intelligent nerd who's first name is also Gene Roddenbery's middle name.

One of these is a hero, one of them is a Mary Sue. Nobody can really call Wesley Crusher a hero. We need a specific term that distinguishes avatars like Crusher from entirely fictional characters that we can never hope to emulate.
Wesley Crusher, a snotty little boy, the unfortunate crotch fruit of Dr. Beverly Ball-Crusher, and whose father died of embarassment on seeing him born, and the only character in sci-fi that is more annoying and obnoxious than Jar-Jar Binx

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katamari Damassi wrote: That's the original definiation as I understood some ten years ago(referring to Blomkvist as a Mary Sue of Stig Larrson in Girl With the Dragon Tattoo), but things change.
What's changed is that some people think you can extend the definition of something so far that it includes virtually anything and other people insist that words have to have some precision or they cease to be useful.

The term is at least 40 years old. It comes from Star Trek fan fiction. I've read fan fiction that is falls very much in the category of Mary Sue.

The term is pretty specific. It doesn't even extend to professional writers who include themselves in their work, like Kurt Vonnegut (Kilgore Trout is a barely disguised self parody) or Martin Amis (John Self's name from Money is a bit of a giveaway).

Like all TV Tropes, once the label has entered common use it became a cliche in itself. It's a way of not thinking about something. It's a thought terminating cliche.

That's what I meant about knowing somebody has nothing interesting to say once they use the term. It doesn't generate an interesting or original discussion.

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katamari Damassi wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:43 pm
Shatterface wrote: The reason I detest the term Mary Sue is that we go through this every cunting year. A Mary Sue isn't an idealised character, it's an obvious cunting idealised avatar of the author. That's not what Rey is.

If we have to use the fucking term, it is more applicable to Luke who is the same George Lucas avatar you find in THX1138 and American Graffiti: the small town kid who realises the only thing that is holding him back is his fear of the unknown and his sense of obligation.

A Mary Sue is not an idealised character. That's a saint or a paragon.

If you extend the term beyond its relationship to an idealised version of the author what fucking term do we use for that?

And like I said at the start, it's every fucking year we go through this same conversation.
That's the original definiation as I understood some ten years ago(referring to Blomkvist as a Mary Sue of Stig Larrson in Girl With the Dragon Tattoo), but things change.
I have a confession. I liked those Stig Larrson books. Even though I thought the plot, heroine, and pretty much everything was improbable, unlikely, and just plain stupid when it was not being idiotic and ridiculous I still enjoyed the books.

No way I am ever going to see any movie based on any of those books though. That would be a bridge too far.

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Just learnt that South Africa has 119 race laws discriminating against the 6% white minority in favour of the 90% majority.

Every company that wants a govt contract has to have proportional employment as does their suppliers. Sacked whites have no access to jobs or support and no capacity to flee. Charities are not allowed to operate if they provide white aid.

Almost a third of all whites live in poverty and many in squatter camps.

They would have done better going out in a blaze of glory from inside their laagers.

Probably be able to say the same thing about Germany and Sweden in 50 years.

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John D wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:30 am
Sunder wrote: For the record this was the part that set me off:
John D wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:52 pm
50,000 people die of drug overdose.... 40,000 die from car wrecks... both numbers that are increasing (in the US) but - eliminate a bunch of regulations which a bunch of media companies love and the world is ending. :doh:
You're gonna sit here on a forum where the trivial activities of internet atheist has-beens are common discussion fodder and say people concerned about NN are the ones with skewed priorities? How un-self-aware can a person be and still be able to walk and breathe at the same time? Fucking hell.
Mostly I was just bitching about people I suppose. A bunch of people on Facebook have gone absolutely bonkers about Net Neutrality. I just think it is funny that this particular idiosyncratic topic gets so much attention. People who are otherwise posting pictures of their cat suddenly get politically active and full of bile and vitriol over his topic. Locally for example, Dr. Nassar plead guilty of kiddie porn and is being charged with molesting a hundred Olympic girl athletes, but most people can't pronounce his name. Enbridge Energy lied about the condition of the oil pipe running under the Straights of Mackinaw (it's worse than they promised). Detroit is measuring increased levels of lead in children and we don't know why. It is just odd to me what people get all "activist" about. People are mostly parochial I guess. "Who cares about a potential oil spill in Lake Michigan... what I really want is Federal control over the internet!"

Sometimes free enterprise needs the gov't to step in,

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It's simplifies things when you make it about common sense and not ideology.

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Billie from Ockham wrote: Forgive me, but your reply-in-the-form-of-a-new-question, Shatterface, appeared to be something along the lines of "no, that isn't the definition, because, if it were, then I wouldn't have a label for a slightly different concept (that I care more about)." But if we reserve "Mary Sue" for idealized characters that are based on the author, we won't have a more general label for characters who are too perfect regardless of author.

But you're actually dead to me for calling it the "Kobayashi Mary" test (even if that's a hilarious slip in this context). Or maybe I'll just refer to any character who is too perfect (with or without any psychoanalysis of the author) as a "Maru Sue." It does have a nice ring to it.
Kobayashi Mary is what PZ calls what he does to his wife as a substitute for sex.

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Yes, that is a complete sentence, MFers. Diagram it.

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Shatterface wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:24 pm
Ok, Kirk is a perfect character that everyone in Star Trek loves. He's the youngest captain in Star Fleet history, he's the only person ever to pass the Kobayashi Mary test, he saves the universe every week.

Wesley Crusher is an annoying, prissy super intelligent nerd who's first name is also Gene Roddenbery's middle name.

One of these is a hero, one of them is a Mary Sue. Nobody can really call Wesley Crusher a hero. We need a specific term that distinguishes avatars like Crusher from entirely fictional characters that we can never hope to emulate.
The lead male in the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo series is the most obvious modern Mary Sue (or in this case, Gary Stu). It's painful. I mean it's enjoyable because it makes the author feel like a major loser.

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Shit I missed the bit where people already brought up the Dragon Tattoo shit.

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Is Rose McGowan shark jumping by going after Meryl Streep?



You come at the king, you best not miss.

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I would so love to see @salmahayek be @Lupita_Nyongo's wingman!


I'm not really into pegging, but hell yeah!


Huh? MRAs sobbing? I want to see all these remakes!

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Guest_d2e60302 wrote: Huh? MRAs sobbing? I want to see all these remakes!
Nobody ever wants to remake an all woman Deliverance. Why is that?

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The problem with remaking Matrix with feminists is that Neo would choose the blue pill and everyone would sink back into their tanks. End of Movie.

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AndrewV69 wrote:
I have a confession. I liked those Stig Larrson books. Even though I thought the plot, heroine, and pretty much everything was improbable, unlikely, and just plain stupid when it was not being idiotic and ridiculous I still enjoyed the books.

No way I am ever going to see any movie based on any of those books though. That would be a bridge too far.
Really?

I rather enjoyed 'A Bridge Too Far'.

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Saw The Last Jedi yesterday, and what the hell, I'll weigh in.

Rey was a weak protagonist in The Force Awakens, because although she was the focal character, she had no real motivation. Her character arc is her discovery that she's awesome. She's basically Neo from the Matrix. She's a stronger protagonist in The Last Jedi, but still Neo from the Matrix.

One thing I loved about The Force Awakens was Kylo Ren as a spoiled emo Darth Vader wannabe. The Last Jedi really played up his adolescent-ness, giving him terrible skin and a hint of teenage moustache. Mark Hamill's performance was a lot of fun. Poe Dameron continues to be Lord Flashheart. Laura Dern's character was terrible, and the "find the codebreaker" subplot was utterly superfluous, but overall I enjoyed it, it kept me gripped.

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MarcusAu wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
I have a confession. I liked those Stig Larrson books. Even though I thought the plot, heroine, and pretty much everything was improbable, unlikely, and just plain stupid when it was not being idiotic and ridiculous I still enjoyed the books.

No way I am ever going to see any movie based on any of those books though. That would be a bridge too far.
Really?

I rather enjoyed 'A Bridge Too Far'.
Saw that when it first came out in the cinemas. Motivated me in the late 1980s to ride a bike from Nijmegen to Arnhem and Oosterbeek and back.

Anyway. I still prefer Sven Hassel.

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Hunt wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:22 am
The problem with remaking Matrix with feminists is that Neo would choose the blue pill and everyone would sink back into their tanks. End of Movie.
How many cycles did they say they went through with Neo before?

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MarcusAu wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:55 am
AndrewV69 wrote:
I have a confession. I liked those Stig Larrson books. Even though I thought the plot, heroine, and pretty much everything was improbable, unlikely, and just plain stupid when it was not being idiotic and ridiculous I still enjoyed the books.

No way I am ever going to see any movie based on any of those books though. That would be a bridge too far.
Really?

I rather enjoyed 'A Bridge Too Far'.
I did so too. I have watched A Bridge Too Far several times. One of my favourite scenes (I do not remember who it was )that finally broke down and asked him about it because he did not want to "give him the satisfaction" involved Major Harry Carlyle explaining that
‘carried the umbrella because he could never remember the password and it would be quite obvious to anyone that the bloody fool carrying the umbrella could only be an Englishman.’
Also this one:



Yep. That is what the British were like when I was a small boy. Stiff upper lip, no snivelling, Pimms No#5 and G&T. From what I see those days are gone though.

They stopped producing them and thus their empire collapsed.

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Kirbmarc wrote: What makes Rey more annoyingly good at what she does than Luke?
I think for me it's mostly that she's able to control the Force out of the box in a way that Luke wasn't able to.

Luke had flaws, he made mistakes in his early training and had to be trained to use the Force; Rey was able to rebuff the Force interrogation of a trained, highly powerful Force user just by fumbling about in her Force basket, she was able to pick up a light sabre and deal handily with him (even despite the fact that he was injured it's highly implausible that someone untrained would have presented the slightest challenge to him).

I think the Mary Sue thing is more to do with the degree to which you just pull some amazing ability out of the character's ass to tick off a plot point, rather than the notionally high power level of the character per se.

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gurugeorge wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: What makes Rey more annoyingly good at what she does than Luke?
I think for me it's mostly that she's able to control the Force out of the box in a way that Luke wasn't able to.

Luke had flaws, he made mistakes in his early training and had to be trained to use the Force; Rey was able to rebuff the Force interrogation of a trained, highly powerful Force user just by fumbling about in her Force basket, she was able to pick up a light sabre and deal handily with him (even despite the fact that he was injured it's highly implausible that someone untrained would have presented the slightest challenge to him).

I think the Mary Sue thing is more to do with the degree to which you just pull some amazing ability out of the character's ass to tick off a plot point, rather than the notionally high power level of the character per se.
And like I've said repeatedly, what you are talking about here is not a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is not a character with improbably abilities. Superman is not a Mary Sue. Wonder Womam is not a Mary Sue. James Bond is Not a Mary Sue. Indiana Jones is not a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is an idealised version of the author in fan fiction.

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The the problem I had with The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo is


SPOILERS!!!

that as soon as it mentioned the missing woman was one of a pair of twins I solved the mystery of her disappearance. The real murders were discovered more or less by accident. Lisbeth Salander also solves Lundqvist's career problems without any detailed explanation of how she does it.

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The latest cause celeb in Hollywood is how Weinstein held back the careers of already unimaginably successful actresses. It was wrong, of course; the fat fuck should never have done anything like that, though it does have a certain poetic irony about it. The incestuous corruption of Hollywood was broken by the debauchery of an even more corrupt man. Without going all Robin Williams on the topic, it's a little hard to get too broken up about the hardships of Mira Sorvino (no matter how much I love her). Academy Award winning, rich and from rich acting family, beautiful, dare I use the word, privileged. I think she'll survive.

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Hunt wrote: The latest cause celeb in Hollywood is how Weinstein held back the careers of already unimaginably successful actresses. It was wrong, of course; the fat fuck should never have done anything like that, though it does have a certain poetic irony about it. The incestuous corruption of Hollywood was broken by the debauchery of an even more corrupt man. Without going all Robin Williams on the topic, it's a little hard to get too broken up about the hardships of Mira Sorvino (no matter how much I love her). Academy Award winning, rich and from rich acting family, beautiful, dare I use the word, privileged. I think she'll survive.
There's a few points here worthy of consideration.

1) With this being the open secret that it was, it really makes one look askance at the whole 'acting family' thing. Why were all these celebs putting their kids (adult kids, obviously. I haven't seen anyone accuse him of child molestation, at least) in a room with Weinstein?

2) Why isn't anyone demanding that Hollywood track down the actresses who we've never heard of because they wouldn't fuck Harvey and give them parts in the all female remakes of Castaway and Rudy?

3) At a certain point, some of these complaints (Not the ones that involve actual coercion, obviously) boil down to "This skeevy old guy told me I'd be a famous movie star if I fucked him or watched him jerk off into a plant or whatever, and so I did, and now I'm a famous movie star and it's so unfair" Once you have made the decision to participate in a skeevy old man's sex life because he promised you'd become a movie star, becoming a movie star is actually the best case scenario. I thought not having a career because you wouldn't fuck Harvey was bad, but you really have to feel for the women who fucked Harvey and never became movie stars at all.

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Nicest of The Damned wrote:
There's a few points here worthy of consideration.

1) With this being the open secret that it was, it really makes one look askance at the whole 'acting family' thing. Why were all these celebs putting their kids (adult kids, obviously. I haven't seen anyone accuse him of child molestation, at least) in a room with Weinstein?

2) Why isn't anyone demanding that Hollywood track down the actresses who we've never heard of because they wouldn't fuck Harvey and give them parts in the all female remakes of Castaway and Rudy?

3) At a certain point, some of these complaints (Not the ones that involve actual coercion, obviously) boil down to "This skeevy old guy told me I'd be a famous movie star if I fucked him or watched him jerk off into a plant or whatever, and so I did, and now I'm a famous movie star and it's so unfair" Once you have made the decision to participate in a skeevy old man's sex life because he promised you'd become a movie star, becoming a movie star is actually the best case scenario. I thought not having a career because you wouldn't fuck Harvey was bad, but you really have to feel for the women who fucked Harvey and never became movie stars at all.
Oh, fuck him! He never picks me!

Honey, I did fuck him, and he never picks me either!

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Eminem is embarrassed for being white and says feels like topping himself. I'm sure it could be arranged ;)

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shoutinghorse wrote: Eminem is embarrassed for being white and says feels like topping himself. I'm sure it could be arranged ;)

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=57731
I'm pretty sure everyone is embarrassed that Eminem is white.

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The new Star Wars is as good as they say. Most regard Return of the Jedi as the weakest in the series, and while I'll always love it I have to agree the best moments in it only work because of the steam that had been built up in Empire Strikes Back. This on the other hand builds a new a new entry to that is worthy of the legendary material it adds to, and has to mop up after the mess Force Awakens made in the process. Some of the most glaring issues I had with that movie are solved in this one, and solved so elegantly that they work independtly even if you've never seen The Force Awakens (lines of dialogue that could have come right out of the mouths of complaining fans, but also serve as great character beats given how they're set up). Rian Johnson hit it out of the park.

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:32 pm
I have a confession. I liked those Stig Larrson books. Even though I thought the plot, heroine, and pretty much everything was improbable, unlikely, and just plain stupid when it was not being idiotic and ridiculous I still enjoyed the books.

No way I am ever going to see any movie based on any of those books though. That would be a bridge too far.
Stieg Larsson (as it's spelled) was just trying too hard to be a Good Ally before the whole SJW fracas even started. In The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (note the original title translates as Men who hate women, which the English publisher wisely dropped), the protagonist male feminist journalist ends up in bed1 with the one girl least likely to get herself laid, a formerly abused hacker girl. He's a sheer projection of Larsson himself.

1If you ever get through the first half of this 1000-page monstrosity, that is, because there Larsson introduces so many names I had to put it down and restart, this time with a notes bloc beside it to remember them all. The action only starts some 400 pages in and soon turns into torture porn. And then, when you think it's finished, it gets even more preposterous as the hacker girl just lifts several bank accounts for reasons unrelated to anything else in the main storyline.

Most of these modern Swedish detectives are vague destillations of the classics from Maj Sjöwall and Per Wahlöö, who introduced the concept of sleuths with left-wing sympathies. But while I can forgive M&S for their communist flirtations, Larsson has no such excuse.

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Brive1987 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:51 am
Saw that when it first came out in the cinemas. Motivated me in the late 1980s to ride a bike from Nijmegen to Arnhem and Oosterbeek and back.
You could've popped by then for a beer! We could have talked about the future SJW crisis. Or you could have shaken hands with the, err, slightly more left-leaning Nijmegen student faction.

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Hunt wrote:
Guest_d2e60302 wrote: Huh? MRAs sobbing? I want to see all these remakes!
Nobody ever wants to remake an all woman Deliverance. Why is that?
All-woman Goodfellas would be great. Think about the feminists bitching about the violence against women!!!

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feathers wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:51 am
Saw that when it first came out in the cinemas. Motivated me in the late 1980s to ride a bike from Nijmegen to Arnhem and Oosterbeek and back.
You could've popped by then for a beer! We could have talked about the future SJW crisis. Or you could have shaken hands with the, err, slightly more left-leaning Nijmegen student faction.
Because Nijmegen is SO CLOSE to Tashkent.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:25 am
Because Nijmegen is SO CLOSE to Tashkent.
I moved, comrade Tit.

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A British female embassy worker has been found dead in Beirut. Reports suggest she was raped and murdered.

Wondering how long it will take some of the SocJus crowd to victim-blame her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ailymailUK

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If you've only had a smattering of undergraduate macro econ courses, like I had, this thread is very revealing!



and getting to this slide the video it goes too.



In the thread Eric Weinstein, Bret Weinstein's brother, takes on and shuts down @radiofreetom who cannot understand why the public distrusts experts.

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I'd read that Larsson witnessed a gang rape and failed to intervene, the moral cowardice haunting him for the rest of his life and leading to the inspiration for the novel. An act of penance. Reviewers reading between the lines were quick to note Larsson seemed too happy to get in to the grisly details of sexual violence in his novel and may have had a more complicated psychological relationship with the aforementioned gang rape than even he cared to admit.

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They should also remake Phantom Menace with a female Jar Jar, so the SJWs wouldn't be able to criticize the character any more. Just imagine Mz Jar Jar saying "me-sa horny" in the voice of the prostitute from Full Metal Jacket.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:44 pm
Wesley Crusher, a snotty little boy, the unfortunate crotch fruit of Dr. Beverly Ball-Crusher, and whose father died of embarassment on seeing him born, and the only character in sci-fi that is more annoying and obnoxious than Jar-Jar Binx
And when Wesley is dicking around with fellow techno-dweeb virgin, Barkley, he loses his mom in a warp bubble (more of a warp fart but whatever.) And his mom has to get herself out of it while her little manlet son is still dicking around with the warp core.

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feathers wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:25 am
Because Nijmegen is SO CLOSE to Tashkent.
I moved, comrade Tit.
That's like 1,700 bridges too far.

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Will Jefferson Beauregard Sessions bring back the war on pot in cannabis legal states?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ana-216109

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Spoilers for Star Wars:

Since it's overused I can see the value in making someone spell out what they mean by Mary Sue, but insisting "an idealized character nearly without flaw, who easily overcomes any challenges he/she faces, and is instantly befriended-admired-loved by all except for the antagonist" is invalid is just another way of saying someone isn't allowed to critique a story. You can pull the same trick with "over reliance on traditional hollywood three act structure, one-note characters, and predictability." Just say everyone sees that in all movies they don't like, so it's not a valid critique.

Also, Ma-Rey Sue was loved by the antagonist as well, for what it's worth.

Rian Johnson solved most the issues I had in this regard. He explicitly addresses why she won the lightsaber duel in The Force Awakens (I'm aware this is also addressed in the scene description if you read the script, but fuck you if you think the audience should have to read the script to make something in a movie explicable). She's still incredibly powerful here, but she's constantly screwing up. The inhabitants of the island don't liker her, and for good reason. She's confused as to her role in a way that dominates the character arc of the film (contrast with her crying for a minute in TFA after experiencing a random vision, then immediately going back to being the incredibly decisive and brave warrior). She has a clearly defined motive that she really needs to work for. Luke wants nothing to do with her or training her.

Johnson lampshades so much from the first film you have to assume he had the same complaints a lot of the fans did. The first thing we see Luke do is casually toss away the lightsaber Abrams lingered on in that widely ridiculed closing shot. Snoke tells Kylo to "take off that stupid mask" and "you were defeated by a girl who never held a lightsaber." He pulls all this off while never being too cute, weaving the inside jokes right into the character beats that work in their own right. I only wish they'd hired him to write the script for the final movie.

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Billie from Ockham wrote: They should also remake Phantom Menace with a female Jar Jar, so the SJWs wouldn't be able to criticize the character any more. Just imagine Mz Jar Jar saying "me-sa horny" in the voice of the prostitute from Full Metal Jacket.
I'd watch that. I'm still holding out hope for the fan theory that Snoke was Jar Jar.


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jet_lagg wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:44 am
I'd read that Larsson witnessed a gang rape and failed to intervene, the moral cowardice haunting him for the rest of his life and leading to the inspiration for the novel. An act of penance. Reviewers reading between the lines were quick to note Larsson seemed too happy to get in to the grisly details of sexual violence in his novel and may have had a more complicated psychological relationship with the aforementioned gang rape than even he cared to admit.
That story is disputed, though. But the fact he told it as being real would in itself point to psychological issues.

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"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to"


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deLurch wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:10 am
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The problem with remaking Matrix with feminists is that Neo would choose the blue pill and everyone would sink back into their tanks. End of Movie.
How many cycles did they say they went through with Neo before?
In the all-woman Matrix, all of those cycles took place at the same time.

But seriously, these people aren't giving Lana and Lilly the credit they deserve for being woman filmmakers who reached the top of the profession.

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feathers wrote: Tashkent
Haha. Back then I was too busy trying to rape fellow backpackers (in 1980s approved fashion) to spend time on civilities.

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