In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

[AndrewV69]

Net neutrality is the cause of gender dysphoria?

Please. I was trying to make some sense of this and you are not helping.

[Old_ones]

This gives me an idea for a short story of my own. It will be about the worst dating experience of my life. I'll call it "Psychotic nurse with attachment issues and no common sense". I'll tell basically what happened and why I ghosted this person, but I'll play up her flaws for effect and really portray her as a repulsive loser (and explain away the implausibility by saying I was attracted to how unattractive she was). Then I'll post links to it on twitter and see if feminists will agree that the woman in "Psychotic nurse with attachment issues and no common sense" is a TERRIBLE PERSON.

My guess is they will just call me a misogynist.

DRINK PERSON

Kirb met Judi on a Monday afternoon, while he was enjoying his year abroad in the UK at the University of Bristol. He had just opened the door of the hallway of his college dorm when he noticed her: she was down on her knees and looked frustrated.

"Don't move!" she said loudly as he closed the door "Not even a step. Stay exactly where you are"

Kirb was puzzled, but decided to obey nonetheless. The girl turned around, squinted her eyes and flashed him a bright smile. "Thanks." Kirb saw that she was an attractive brunette, very pale-skinned, with a small nose ring and dark eye-shadow. She wouldn't have looked out of place in a punk rock concert, he thought, and if she went there she could have easily posed for pictures with the band.

"You're welcome" he replied, still confused. "Is this a new kind of college game or is there an ax maniac lurking in the hallways and you're here to warn me?" he added tentatively, trying to make the odd situation less awkward.

Judi chuckled. "If there was an ax maniac, I'd probably be on his side." She squinted her eyes again. "I've lost my contacts" she explained, in a sheepish tone. "I'm blind as a bat without them, and I really don't want people to step on them, they're the last pair I've got and my glasses are broken."

"Oh" said Kirb, mentally slapping himself for not having understood what was going on. It seemed so obvious now. "Do you need help finding them?"

"Would you? Thanks you!" Judi stood up and offered him a hand. "I'm Judi, and most days I'm not yelling people not to move while I'm on the floor"

"Kirb here" He shook her hand "And most days I'm not finding people who yell at me not to move while they're on the floor"

Judi chuckled again. "Let's get to work then, I really need my contacts back".

Kirb's gaze scanned the floor, until he noticed a glimmer in a corner. He knelt to pick up a pair of transparent contact lens . "There they are" He handed them to her.

Judi smiled at him, grateful "Good to know that there are still decent people out there" Kirb shrugged, but smiled back.

(to be continued)

I know she is cute and fun, but seriously, RUN AWAY!!! (trusty me, I know...)

;)

Also, she was a redhead.

[Guest_d2e60302]

So believe the woman unconditionally right? So the guy is toast. Next we have one woman accusing another. So which one wins? Ahhhhh ... the browner of the two wins .... Because white = vile evil oppressor.

Right? Did I get this right? Or am I overlooking something? Like Fatophobia?

Very interesting dilemma because as you suggest, fat brown chick should trump brown chick, but since everyone hates fat people, I bet fat brown chick will beat fat brown chick.

It's rough being fat.

(The real question is if the story and claim get widely aired, and I bet it doesn't. Happened 10 years ago and it's relatively unknown woman against still relatively unknown woman, not woman against famous male celeb.)

[Old_ones]

*trust

[Guest_d2e60302]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... tions.html

Gene Simmons of Kiss faces lawsuit over groping, misconduct allegations

A woman identified only as “Jane Doe” is suing Kiss band member Gene Simmons, alleging that he groped her and made unwarranted sexual advances during a video interview.

The woman alleges that Simmons, 68, grabbed one of the woman’s hands and “forcefully placed it on his knee and held it on his knee,” until the woman could remove it, the paper reported.

Simmons, the lawsuit states, continued his “unwanted, unwarranted sexual advances” by reaching for the woman’s hand again.

The gesture was followed by suggestive remarks from Simmons, who later touched the woman’s buttocks, the lawsuit stated.

In a statement posted to Facebook, Simmons said he intends to "defend myself against any alleged charges you may have been reading about in the media."

"For the record, I did not assault the person making these accusations in the manner alleged in the complaint or harm her in any way," the statement continued. "I am conferring with my lawyers with the aim of vigorously countering these allegations. And I look forward to my day in court where the evidence will prove my innocence."

The lawsuit describes the woman as a “long-time on-air personality for a local rock station,” Billboard magazine reported.

[Bhurzum]

Sounds like slang for a ... feminine hygiene issue. 'Sorry, not tonight honey -- I've got the Hot Cheeses'.

Nothing quite like a bit of gusset gouda.

Yum!

She's got the Monterey Jack.

Monterey Crack - a yeasty, creamy treat for the unsuspecting simp in your life.

This is why the Army teaches young recruits "the sniff test" :o

#sexygrilledcheese?

You really know how to make a man moist...throw in a few Stella Artois and I'm all yours.

[Ape+lust]

She's got the Monterey Jack.

Monterey Crack - a yeasty, creamy treat for the unsuspecting simp in your life.

This is why the Army teaches young recruits "the sniff test" :o

Stay away from Limburger Lily.


You know we're going to Hell, right?

[Lsuoma]

[Brive1987]

Hmm. Looks like it might be 'happening'

'Cause nothing should be less protected than a merry Christmas jumper.

[Bhurzum]

You know we're going to Hell, right?

Hell is other people...especially if they have a "stink pussy" :o

[Bhurzum]

She's got the Monterey Jack.

Monterey Crack - a yeasty, creamy treat for the unsuspecting simp in your life.

This is why the Army teaches young recruits "the sniff test" :o

Stay away from Limburger Lily.


You know we're going to Hell, right?

(thinly veiled excuse to link some Bauhaus)

[Ape+lust]

I think I found the Wario version of Surly Amy.

https://imgur.com/Mfwd6sv.jpg

[Bhurzum]

I think I found the Wario version of Surly Amy.

[mg]https://imgur.com/Mfwd6sv.jpg[mg]

There appears to be a builders ass-crack poking out of her robe...that's some very niche porn right there!

[Guest_d2e60302]

The last one is key. Found via MundaneMatt

[Ape+lust]

I think I found the Wario version of Surly Amy.

[mg]https://imgur.com/Mfwd6sv.jpg[mg]

There appears to be a builders ass-crack poking out of her robe...that's some very niche porn right there!

:lol: :lol:

Holy shit! You could snap something gender-bending like that.

[MarcusAu]

If Gamergate is going to be reassessed at this point - I would have to query if it really had it's 'Mission Accomplished' moment

- Anita & Zoe - have both used it as a springboard to market their punditry / raise their profile. As did Milo (for a while).
- the gaming press (such as it is / was) has adjusted how it was reporting (mostly with regards to indy-games).
- AAA games went on regardless - weathering the (short term) storm of bad publicity.
- most gamers ignored it or were unaware of it to begin with.

A lot of heat, but not much light (as is most Internet drama) - there seems to be much back-patting, but no real definitive wins.

[KiwiInOz]

6"x6"s, lag bolts, frame 3 sides of the bottom with 2"x6"s and you're good to go.

Give yourself plenty of mattress-to-ceiling space to accommodate a cowgirl.

How high are your ceilings that you can contemplate anything other than missionary position in a loft bed?

9 and a half feet. If you want to be able to stand up in the space underneath it's no good, but it will be enough room to sit down in front of a gaming monitor.

So, room for her horse as well.

[Shatterface]

Reading How to Survive a Plague about the AIDS epidemic I was struck by some contemporary parallels.

The gay activists who suggested that maybe banging 10 dudes a night without any protection wasn't a great idea were denounced as sex-negative victim blamers with internalised homophobia, much like anyone who suggests taking sensible precautions against rape are demonised today.

[Bhurzum]

Let the record show that on this day (18/12/2017) the word "BlaQueer" was entered into the Soc-Jus lexicon of acceptable and proper terms™

(Wokepedia entry to follow)

:roll:

[Shatterface]

Another parallel.

Those who spoke about the dangers or unprotected sex were told by the gay paper Body Politic that 'In the same period that 200 cases were diagnosed, more than 400 gay men died in traffic accidents because they chose to go outside. Lesbians and sexually active gay men are going to have their rights denied and infringed upon - all because 400 cases of a disease have appeared among 20 million of us.'

[Hunt]

Reading How to Survive a Plague about the AIDS epidemic I was struck by some contemporary parallels.

The gay activists who suggested that maybe banging 10 dudes a night without any protection wasn't a great idea were denounced as sex-negative victim blamers with internalised homophobia, much like anyone who suggests taking sensible precautions against rape are demonised today.

People forget the controversy surrounding the so-called "bath houses" of San Francisco in the 80s. They had existed since at least the 60s and were something like a cross between a gym and a nightclub. The reality of AIDS finally shut them all down in the late 80s, not without a fight. People finally realized that having establishments basically devoted to casual sex probably wasn't the greatest idea during a fatal STD epidemic.

[Brive1987]

PZ is very upset with the identity politics of religion.

I agree with that diatribe. Religion is not a benefit to mankind in any way, and we’d be better off without it — or more fundamentally, we’d be better off without this tribal thinking that divides humanity into Us and Them.

That man is a study of obliviousness.

[MarcusAu]

Another parallel.

Those who spoke about the dangers or unprotected sex were told by the gay paper Body Politic that 'In the same period that 200 cases were diagnosed, more than 400 gay men died in traffic accidents because they chose to go outside. Lesbians and sexually active gay men are going to have their rights denied and infringed upon - all because 400 cases of a disease have appeared among 20 million of us.'

If I recall correctly, there was much emphasis pun on how AIDS could be spread by sharing needles, blood transfusions etc - ie that it was not just a 'Gay Plague'. I've not seen the stats but it would be really surprising if it did not predominantly effect gay and bi-sexual males (especially young ones) - more than any other group.

[Hunt]

A question just occurred to me. Has anyone fed the punched cards:
"Is gay sex real sex?"
through the Steersbot yet?

I accept my ban.

[deLurch]

A question just occurred to me. Has anyone fed the punched cards:
"Is gay sex real sex?"
through the Steersbot yet?
I accept my ban.

Is a blowjob real sex?
Bill Clinton says close, but no cigar.

[Shatterface]

Another parallel.

Those who spoke about the dangers or unprotected sex were told by the gay paper Body Politic that 'In the same period that 200 cases were diagnosed, more than 400 gay men died in traffic accidents because they chose to go outside. Lesbians and sexually active gay men are going to have their rights denied and infringed upon - all because 400 cases of a disease have appeared among 20 million of us.'

If I recall correctly, there was much emphasis pun on how AIDS could be spread by sharing needles, blood transfusions etc - ie that it was not just a 'Gay Plague'. I've not seen the stats but it would be really surprising if it did not predominantly effect gay and bi-sexual males (especially young ones) - more than any other group.

I'm still on the early chapters and the disease is still referred to as GRID (Gay Related Immuno-Deficiency). Deaths are still only in the hundreds and doctors have just connected it to a similar affliction in drug addicts. They've found sufferers from Haiti but no one has connected it to 'slim', an plague that is happening in Africa. At this point doctors recognise it is predominantly afflicting promiscuous gay men in New York and San Francisco but think it might just be weakened immunity caused by repeated exposure to STDs. Wrong that that was, resistance to the idea that it was related to unprotected sex helped spread the disease.

[feathers]

Now they’re going after Sarsour:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/17/li ... +-+Text%29

It couldn't happen to a nicer person.

[Shatterface]

What strikes me so far is that accusations of 'victim blaming' and bullshit comparisons with traffic accidents were used to shut down debate.

[jet_lagg]

What was the flashpoint on this? Why is everyone talking about it after such a long silence?

Anyway, I can think of several unambiguous, victories that came out of Gamergate.

-It was fun. Those guys are tops when it comes to maintaining morale in a shitty situation. I met a lot of great people I still converse with from time to time.

-We bloodied Gawker's nose with north of $1,000,000 in lost ad revenue. People can and do shrug dismissively at this, but I call bullshit. Nobody shrugs that off.

-We raised a lot of money for various charities, and helped get an indie game made (I own a copy, it's alright).

-The memes. Oh God the memes. That episode of Law and Order alone almost makes the whole thing worth it. And Vivian James will live rent free forever in the internet's headspace.

-We put the fear of God into SJWs. This victory is harder to pin down in concrete terms, but to me is the most important.

When mainstream press writes articles years after anyone has even used the hashtag, says that the country is on the verge of a literal Nazi takeover and we, WE THE GAMERS, were ground zero... damn. We're like real life fantasy villains in their eyes. We have powers beyond reckoning. It's a combination of their natural tendency towards histrionics and the fact that gamers were the first to put their feet down in sufficient numbers. Just that act of raw defiance scared the shit out of a contingent whose whole power comes from social shaming. We'd get called misogynists, and instead of being cowed we organized meetups. We'd get called Nazis and the furries would start putting swastikas on their avatars talking about forming the furred reich. Thousands of people started flying what is basically a green Nazi flag, worshipping an ancient Egyptian chaos god, and doing exactly what should have been done from the beginning of the modern PC craze, which is take the piss out of anyone who thinks this shit is serious.

[katamari Damassi]

Another parallel.

Those who spoke about the dangers or unprotected sex were told by the gay paper Body Politic that 'In the same period that 200 cases were diagnosed, more than 400 gay men died in traffic accidents because they chose to go outside. Lesbians and sexually active gay men are going to have their rights denied and infringed upon - all because 400 cases of a disease have appeared among 20 million of us.'

If I recall correctly, there was much emphasis pun on how AIDS could be spread by sharing needles, blood transfusions etc - ie that it was not just a 'Gay Plague'. I've not seen the stats but it would be really surprising if it did not predominantly effect gay and bi-sexual males (especially young ones) - more than any other group.

I'm still on the early chapters and the disease is still referred to as GRID (Gay Related Immuno-Deficiency). Deaths are still only in the hundreds and doctors have just connected it to a similar affliction in drug addicts. They've found sufferers from Haiti but no one has connected it to 'slim', an plague that is happening in Africa. At this point doctors recognise it is predominantly afflicting promiscuous gay men in New York and San Francisco but think it might just be weakened immunity caused by repeated exposure to STDs. Wrong that that was, resistance to the idea that it was related to unprotected sex helped spread the disease.

When I was in the Peace Corps in '95 I was going through their small library looking for resources and I came across this book(I wish I could remember the title)but the gist of it was that Slim is not AIDS because the natives called it Slim and not AIDS and their experience of it was different than the West's experience of AIDS. It was my introduction into the dangers of post-modernism.

[katamari Damassi]

Reading How to Survive a Plague about the AIDS epidemic I was struck by some contemporary parallels.

The gay activists who suggested that maybe banging 10 dudes a night without any protection wasn't a great idea were denounced as sex-negative victim blamers with internalised homophobia, much like anyone who suggests taking sensible precautions against rape are demonised today.

People forget the controversy surrounding the so-called "bath houses" of San Francisco in the 80s. They had existed since at least the 60s and were something like a cross between a gym and a nightclub. The reality of AIDS finally shut them all down in the late 80s, not without a fight. People finally realized that having establishments basically devoted to casual sex probably wasn't the greatest idea during a fatal STD epidemic.

Not disagreeing, but gay bathhouses go back to the 19th century, unless you want to include Rome and Greece.

[katamari Damassi]

What was the flashpoint on this? Why is everyone talking about it after such a long silence?

Anyway, I can think of several unambiguous, victories that came out of Gamergate.

-It was fun. Those guys are tops when it comes to maintaining morale in a shitty situation. I met a lot of great people I still converse with from time to time.

-We bloodied Gawker's nose with north of $1,000,000 in lost ad revenue. People can and do shrug dismissively at this, but I call bullshit. Nobody shrugs that off.

-We raised a lot of money for various charities, and helped get an indie game made (I own a copy, it's alright).

-The memes. Oh God the memes. That episode of Law and Order alone almost makes the whole thing worth it. And Vivian James will live rent free forever in the internet's headspace.

-We put the fear of God into SJWs. This victory is harder to pin down in concrete terms, but to me is the most important.

When mainstream press writes articles years after anyone has even used the hashtag, says that the country is on the verge of a literal Nazi takeover and we, WE THE GAMERS, were ground zero... damn. We're like real life fantasy villains in their eyes. We have powers beyond reckoning. It's a combination of their natural tendency towards histrionics and the fact that gamers were the first to put their feet down in sufficient numbers. Just that act of raw defiance scared the shit out of a contingent whose whole power comes from social shaming. We'd get called misogynists, and instead of being cowed we organized meetups. We'd get called Nazis and the furries would start putting swastikas on their avatars talking about forming the furred reich. Thousands of people started flying what is basically a green Nazi flag, worshipping an ancient Egyptian chaos god, and doing exactly what should have been done from the beginning of the modern PC craze, which is take the piss out of anyone who thinks this shit is serious.

Last year on a gay blog I was accused of being a gamergater by a Brianna Wu sockpuppet, despite the last game I've played being Portal 2-which is brilliant.

[deLurch]

What was the flashpoint on this? Why is everyone talking about it after such a long silence?

Anyway, I can think of several unambiguous, victories that came out of Gamergate.

-It was fun. Those guys are tops when it comes to maintaining morale in a shitty situation. I met a lot of great people I still converse with from time to time.

-We bloodied Gawker's nose with north of $1,000,000 in lost ad revenue. People can and do shrug dismissively at this, but I call bullshit. Nobody shrugs that off.

-We raised a lot of money for various charities, and helped get an indie game made (I own a copy, it's alright).

-The memes. Oh God the memes. That episode of Law and Order alone almost makes the whole thing worth it. And Vivian James will live rent free forever in the internet's headspace.

-We put the fear of God into SJWs. This victory is harder to pin down in concrete terms, but to me is the most important.

When mainstream press writes articles years after anyone has even used the hashtag, says that the country is on the verge of a literal Nazi takeover and we, WE THE GAMERS, were ground zero... damn. We're like real life fantasy villains in their eyes. We have powers beyond reckoning. It's a combination of their natural tendency towards histrionics and the fact that gamers were the first to put their feet down in sufficient numbers. Just that act of raw defiance scared the shit out of a contingent whose whole power comes from social shaming. We'd get called misogynists, and instead of being cowed we organized meetups. We'd get called Nazis and the furries would start putting swastikas on their avatars talking about forming the furred reich. Thousands of people started flying what is basically a green Nazi flag, worshipping an ancient Egyptian chaos god, and doing exactly what should have been done from the beginning of the modern PC craze, which is take the piss out of anyone who thinks this shit is serious.

It was standing up to the bullies that mattered.

Yes. Sure. Many other people have done so in the past. But most people have been bulldozed by the sheer volume of lies & hatred. But in that instance, a sufficient critical mass of people stood up and held their ground against the worst that could be thrown at them. Slander from mainstream media, peer slander, lies all of it. And in the end, there were more of us than them. The emperor had no clothes and we stated it clearly and loudly.

Victories over Gawker & the other SJWs being exposed as sexual predators later was just icing on the cake. But letting the populace know they they could fight back, have support and win is what really mattered.

Imagine the Chinese knowing that they could stand up to the Red Guard. Germans knowing they could stand up against the Brown Shirts. Middleeasterns knowing they could stand up to the Mutaween.

All it took was courage and a certain critical mass.

Now discourse has allowed for people to oppose them in mainstream society. And that is all we needed. A fair fight.

[gurugeorge]

All it took was courage and a certain critical mass.

Now discourse has allowed for people to oppose them in mainstream society. And that is all we needed. A fair fight.

Yeah, I think Gamergate was genuinely some kind of actual quite major turning point, a moment when a lot of people "snapped to." The moment when the frog suddenly realized someone was trying to boil it. That's why it's so hated by the PC cult, why it's the very mark of Satan.

The thing is, contrary to the mythology, gamers are actually quite a diverse crowd, not every gamer lives in their mum's basement, many are perfectly ordinary, successful people. The gamer crowd is comprised not just of nerds who love being immersed in another world (who tend to be easy marks for SJWs) but also by ordinary people who are competitive go-getters and like the gamey side of games. It's more of a demi-nerdy domain, as opposed to a fully nerdy domain like s-f or comics.

So in effect you have a core crew of people from all walks of life waking up to the indoctrination. The 6 degrees of separation thing works from there. They start talking with their friends differently, their friends' minds start opening up and wondering more, etc., etc.

[gurugeorge]

The other thing about gamers that's quite important is that games are designed to be the most immersive things possible. So gamers are used to the syndrome of being caught up in a virtual reality; and trolling is the naturally-evolved method for keeping each other from being overly immersed and sucked into the designed utopia. Ideologies are also a sort of addictive virtual reality - IOW, the fact that SJWs are obsessed by a virtual image of the world was easily recognized by gamers, and was therefore instinctively the point of attack for gamers.

In a nutshell, the SJW is like the typical EVE player who goes on a mega-rant when you destroy their internet spaceship. That same sensitivity, that same overly-immersed, blinkered attitude.

We all love our immersions, we love our ideology, etc., but the trick is to enjoy it while staying distanced from it at the same time, keeping a part of yourself you, and critical.

[Kirbmarc]

Now they’re going after Sarsour:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/17/li ... +-+Text%29

It couldn't happen to a nicer person.

Sarosur, as a conservative muslim who is a fan of theocracy and supports muslim supremacist groups (the Nation of Islam, Hamas, etc.) has more in common with a fundamentalist christian than with a leftist or a progressive, yet she's been lionized by the US left because she's learned their lingo and they're a bunch of idiots who cheer at the first hijab-wearing woman who says that islam is peace and sharia is great and that all that stuff about homophobia and misogyny and hatred for Jews, Christians and apostates is only western propaganda.

I don't know if this accusation is true, but let's just say that knowing what I know of conservative muslim women it wouldn't surprise me if it actually happened. Sexual abuse and child sexual abuse are very widespread in muslim communities, even more so among very religious and conservative muslims. The Qu'ran has a lot of stuff which can be used to justify both, and "honorable women" like Sarsour have every interest in shutting up the "sluts" who smear the names of their muslim "brothers".

[MarcusAu]

I think it was a (more than a ) little over-stating the case to compare gamers to Nazi's. On the other hand it was not an all-out war in which they were the resistance movement either.

The Chinese people always knew that they could stand up to their government - remember that guy opposing the tanks in Tiananmen Square? Given what happened to him it seems insensitive to mention gamers in the same context.

If there was a real change in the zietgeist then Quinn & Sarkesian would not be doing so well. Maybe that sea-change is still to come - we'll have to see what shakes down from Petersen's (et al) engagements with academia, I suppose. (Though it's not really related to Gamergate).

I would say that 90% of gamers did not know of gamergate, or even if they did carried on regardless.

Memes come and go. Feels good man.

[jet_lagg]

To say Quinn is doing well and Gamergate was a failure is really putting your thumb on the scales. She's doing what she always did, fucking men with more talent than her and leveraging that into something that resembles a career. Right now it's Chuck Tingle and an FMV game that as far as I can tell nobody outside the backers and Tingle fans such as myself are even aware of. Considering how many Tingle fans are, like me, also Gamergate members or Gamergate sympathizers, I expect the project to be quietly ignored. Literally who?

Sarkeesian has money, and can get a puff piece written any time she desires, granted. She also can't open the comment sections on anything attached to her name or hold an AMA without it being overrun 30 seconds later by detractors. My gamer friends who want nothing to do with a bunch of autistic GG spergelords (fair enough) still think she's full of shit. The Jack Thompson label has stuck for anyone familiar with the medium. And the rest of society doesn't get it. Not like that's a change from literally any point in the history of gaming.

The thing is it's primarily people opposed to GG who are coming up with the over the top war metaphors. Go and talk to people who were active in the ops, and sure they engaged in cheerleading (good at morale, remember), but they were by and by level headed people who knew this was just them defending their personal little subculture. We never said we got Trump elected, that was the opposition's narrative. Of course, trolls being trolls it's too tempting to not adopt that narrative for yourself to wring out some more anguish when the opportunity arises.

[jet_lagg]

That was a serious question about what started all this btw. I saw conversations popping up on twitter starting last week. This has been a quiet issue for years now.

[MarcusAu]

Sarkesian & Quinn are both doing better that they ever have.

Whether you judge gamergate to a success or failure entirely depends on how you choose to define the parameters.

[shoutinghorse]

Another parallel.

Those who spoke about the dangers or unprotected sex were told by the gay paper Body Politic that 'In the same period that 200 cases were diagnosed, more than 400 gay men died in traffic accidents because they chose to go outside. Lesbians and sexually active gay men are going to have their rights denied and infringed upon - all because 400 cases of a disease have appeared among 20 million of us.'

Yeah but how many gay were killed by toasters? :shifty:

[katamari Damassi]

Speaking of Sarkeesian; has her ex McIntosh been accused of assault or harassment yet?

[katamari Damassi]

Another parallel.

Those who spoke about the dangers or unprotected sex were told by the gay paper Body Politic that 'In the same period that 200 cases were diagnosed, more than 400 gay men died in traffic accidents because they chose to go outside. Lesbians and sexually active gay men are going to have their rights denied and infringed upon - all because 400 cases of a disease have appeared among 20 million of us.'

Yeah but how many gay were killed by toasters? :shifty:

Almost all of them in the 12 colonies.

[jet_lagg]

2014-2015 Sarkeesian and Quinn were making appearances before the U.N., getting interviewed by Colbert, and being handed awards left and right. I haven't heard anything from Sarkeesian since then (her wikipedia shows nothing past those dates), and Quinn only because I go looking. Quinn never had a career beyond a text "game" that she only collaborated on, and now is collaborating on yet another "game" with an incredibly obscure (though Hugo-nominated, thanks to GG allies, the Sad Puppies!) gay erotica author. So you've got two women who were explicitly never the targets of GG doing about as well as you'd expect anyone to be doing a few years later. Again, framing this as a success of theirs and a failure of Gamergate's is putting your thumb on the scales.

[shoutinghorse]

Bloody trigger happy Yanks again, obviously Alan was running late and just trying to get his snack bar through the gate before lunch :?

https://i.imgur.com/RuU7Z59.png

http://www.cambstimes.co.uk/news/raf-mi ... -1-5325249

[Old_ones]

Speaking of Sarkeesian; has her ex McIntosh been accused of assault or harassment yet?

That dude was basically PC Principle from South Park. He probably has triplicate signed consent forms for every instance when he touched her. That's probably why she dumped him.

[MarcusAu]

2014-2015 Sarkeesian and Quinn were making appearances before the U.N., getting interviewed by Colbert, and being handed awards left and right. I haven't heard anything from Sarkeesian since then (her wikipedia shows nothing past those dates), and Quinn only because I go looking. Quinn never had a career beyond a text "game" that she only collaborated on, and now is collaborating on yet another "game" with an incredibly obscure (though Hugo-nominated, thanks to GG allies, the Sad Puppies!) gay erotica author. So you've got two women who were explicitly never the targets of GG doing about as well as you'd expect anyone to be doing a few years later. Again, framing this as a success of theirs and a failure of Gamergate's is putting your thumb on the scales.

I'm not sticking my thumb anywhere. (At least, not yet).

Both Quinn & Sarkeesy (or Queasy if you like) gained more than they lost by identifying themselves as targets of what they defined as an 'online hate group'. Their mid to long term prospects are another thing again - but given that they were both not really going anywhere before it started - GG cannot really be said to have been much of an impediment to their aspirations.

I don't know what a 'Gamergate success' would be, and so cannot tell the difference between that happy state of affairs and a 'Gamergate failure' . As there has never been a consensus to define the terms of either - it seems to be splitting hairs to call the outcome one or the other.

Much fun was had by all (including me), I'm sure. But you know, feels over reals and all that. Now that the dust has cleared what has changed?

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Yeah but how many gay were killed by toasters? :shifty:

Almost all of them in the 12 colonies.
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:nin:

[Old_ones]

All it took was courage and a certain critical mass.

Now discourse has allowed for people to oppose them in mainstream society. And that is all we needed. A fair fight.

Yeah, I think Gamergate was genuinely some kind of actual quite major turning point, a moment when a lot of people "snapped to." The moment when the frog suddenly realized someone was trying to boil it. That's why it's so hated by the PC cult, why it's the very mark of Satan.

The thing is, contrary to the mythology, gamers are actually quite a diverse crowd, not every gamer lives in their mum's basement, many are perfectly ordinary, successful people. The gamer crowd is comprised not just of nerds who love being immersed in another world (who tend to be easy marks for SJWs) but also by ordinary people who are competitive go-getters and like the gamey side of games. It's more of a demi-nerdy domain, as opposed to a fully nerdy domain like s-f or comics.

So in effect you have a core crew of people from all walks of life waking up to the indoctrination. The 6 degrees of separation thing works from there. They start talking with their friends differently, their friends' minds start opening up and wondering more, etc., etc.

The best part of gamergate for me was a hashtag (which seems largely forgotten now) called #notyourshield in which female and minority gamers told the SJWs to stop using them as a defense. IMO this is the best line of attack against SJWs. The SJWs want to frame any attack on their orthodoxies as an attack on women and minorities, so if you have women and minorities saying "fuck off, we don't need you" it undermines them completely. They'll still come back with "internalized misogyny" or whatever, but nobody wins a debate by telling someone "I know what you need better than you do".

[MarcusAu]

#NotYourShield invoked identity politics in defense of gamers (or gamergaters) - in a way that seemed less and less ironic the longer it went on.

As IOKWWDI / IOWTDI is not much of a guiding moral principle - I have mixed feelings for the hashtag.

[Lsuoma]

I think I found the Wario version of Surly Amy.

https://imgur.com/Mfwd6sv.jpg

Now, that's what I call a pair of knee-shooters.

[dogen]

I think I found the Wario version of Surly Amy.

https://imgur.com/Mfwd6sv.jpg

Now, that's what I call a pair of knee-shooters.

Udderly haram. Triggered.

[Sunder]

2014-2015 Sarkeesian and Quinn were making appearances before the U.N., getting interviewed by Colbert, and being handed awards left and right. I haven't heard anything from Sarkeesian since then (her wikipedia shows nothing past those dates), and Quinn only because I go looking. Quinn never had a career beyond a text "game" that she only collaborated on, and now is collaborating on yet another "game" with an incredibly obscure (though Hugo-nominated, thanks to GG allies, the Sad Puppies!) gay erotica author. So you've got two women who were explicitly never the targets of GG doing about as well as you'd expect anyone to be doing a few years later. Again, framing this as a success of theirs and a failure of Gamergate's is putting your thumb on the scales.

I'm not sticking my thumb anywhere. (At least, not yet).

Both Quinn & Sarkeesy (or Queasy if you like) gained more than they lost by identifying themselves as targets of what they defined as an 'online hate group'. Their mid to long term prospects are another thing again - but given that they were both not really going anywhere before it started - GG cannot really be said to have been much of an impediment to their aspirations.

I don't know what a 'Gamergate success' would be, and so cannot tell the difference between that happy state of affairs and a 'Gamergate failure' . As there has never been a consensus to define the terms of either - it seems to be splitting hairs to call the outcome one or the other.

Much fun was had by all (including me), I'm sure. But you know, feels over reals and all that. Now that the dust has cleared what has changed?

Much like Watson you could hand Zoe and Anita opportunity after opportunity on a silver platter but their own laziness and ineptitude will always hold them back.

I do agree the course of their careers was probably greatly enhanced by GG, but it wasn't fated to last because no matter how sympathetic people are to their cause at some point attention wanes, and shining white knights find newer, better damsels to ride off to rescue.

None of these people really produce anything of value or interest. Their careers are built on them being poster children and nothing more.

[MarcusAu]

Well good riddance to that lot at least...

[jet_lagg]

2014-2015 Sarkeesian and Quinn were making appearances before the U.N., getting interviewed by Colbert, and being handed awards left and right. I haven't heard anything from Sarkeesian since then (her wikipedia shows nothing past those dates), and Quinn only because I go looking. Quinn never had a career beyond a text "game" that she only collaborated on, and now is collaborating on yet another "game" with an incredibly obscure (though Hugo-nominated, thanks to GG allies, the Sad Puppies!) gay erotica author. So you've got two women who were explicitly never the targets of GG doing about as well as you'd expect anyone to be doing a few years later. Again, framing this as a success of theirs and a failure of Gamergate's is putting your thumb on the scales.

I'm not sticking my thumb anywhere. (At least, not yet).

Both Quinn & Sarkeesy (or Queasy if you like) gained more than they lost by identifying themselves as targets of what they defined as an 'online hate group'. Their mid to long term prospects are another thing again - but given that they were both not really going anywhere before it started - GG cannot really be said to have been much of an impediment to their aspirations.

I don't know what a 'Gamergate success' would be, and so cannot tell the difference between that happy state of affairs and a 'Gamergate failure' . As there has never been a consensus to define the terms of either - it seems to be splitting hairs to call the outcome one or the other.

Much fun was had by all (including me), I'm sure. But you know, feels over reals and all that. Now that the dust has cleared what has changed?

Sure, they gained more than they lost *while GG was still ongoing*. They're parasites, and as long as GG was thriving and the media was willing, they'd have their victimhood. Sarkeesian isn't doing as well as she was during that height though. Video views are down. The controversy is old. Quinn is doing better, but short hooking on the streets I'm not sure how she was going to get any lower. That's how it looks from an objective measure.

If you want to do the same for GG you have to ask what their targets actually were. Sarkeesian and Quinn were never part of it. Gawker was, and they're finished. Not by GG. We have the Hulkster and Peter Thiel to thank for that. But we did give them a run. Deepefreezeit was likewise a success. The hearts and mind operation is a bit harder to quanitfy, but look at how KotakuInAction's numbers were swelling even at the peak of media slander and I think it's safe to say our goals were being met. This ties back in to everything that's been said about not just needing to stand your ground but have a critical mass of people stand their ground. We were being called virulent misogynists, nazis, and predators by the reputable sources yet our numbers kept growing. I'm convinced this shook people down to their bones, the same way you would be after watching an enemy stand up after you hit them with a howitzer.

[jet_lagg]

#NotYourShield honestly just pissed me off. Not the people using it, but the anti-GG crowd's reaction to it. Those people did a 180 on their principles in record time. It was disgusting and killed a lot of the shitposting joy for me.

[Sulman]

It's interesting because this:
http://i.imgur.com/yl3TxQT.png

Is a classic example of the party line on Gamergate. None of it's true, but like most good lies it's based on an element of truth.

[katamari Damassi]

If you haven't been watching Futureman, you've been missing out.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4975856/?ref_=nv_sr_1

[Sulman]

#NotYourShield honestly just pissed me off. Not the people using it, but the anti-GG crowd's reaction to it. Those people did a 180 on their principles in record time. It was disgusting and killed a lot of the shitposting joy for me.

The narrative always wins. Reality doesn't matter, so why be logically consistent?

[free thoughtpolice]

I'm thinking of taking up rock hounding.