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I think most people have gauged things about right on the issue of doxing. But keeping intelligence files on everybody from Paul Joseph Watson to Aydin Paladin, conspiring to create ops and disinformation campaigns, pseudo gangs and false flags... even planting fake porn! ....who the fuck are these people?
It's clearly both hilarious and deeply autistic.

But (unless I've missed something) the worst thing I've seen them actually do is google CRP and get his name and address off his own patreon. Was anything even done with that? Is just googling someone doxxing them?? Did I miss some other more egregious offence?

Kraut + co deserve having the piss taken, and I'm enjoying it thoroughly. Setting up a TASKFORCE server is impressively retarded, I eagerly await Kraut getting so angry he redacts his protocol zero and comes back to pump out some more flamewar drama.

My point is merely that the "other side" in this are also behaving in a ridiculous manner, doing hours of livestreams crying about morals they don't even have in the first place -as if they don't have hundreds of silly sock accounts doing pretty much the exact same pathetic crap. It's fast become the MOST SERIOUS INTERNET BUSINESS and I'm enjoying watching Warski vacillate wildly between the opinions of whoever he thinks is on his side. Pure teenager shit.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:06 am
When they share those photos on facebook of the only white kid in a class full of muslims, it pisses people off, that's why they share them. Or when they show photos of street scenes of Birmingham, Bradford, Luton or Ilford 20 years ago compared to now.
If you think that their only problem with this is Islam, you are kidding yourself.

Racism is alive and well in the UK. People just need an excuse and Islamic extremism will do fine. But to display racism openly is unseemly, that's why they will never flock to Ann Marie Waters, it is too close to the knuckle. Nobody wants to be associated with Skinheads and Nazis, they will instead vote for a man in a suit who gives them a load of sensible middle of the road policies, and states in a matter of fact way that something has to be done about immigration. AMW is too throthing on the subject, I hope she keeps on throthing about it and pumping out the propaganda, she will get millions on board with what she is saying, but at the polling station people will want to wind it back a notch.
I saw her interview on Simon (the other) Harris's youtube channel. There she was saying the sort of things that (some at least) people want to hear, but did not give the impression of being politically savvy enough to actually carry them out.

For example: increasing funding for the NHS - but not saying much to demonstrate her grasp of economics.

I think she will be a side show - and gradually peter out - and that the establishment will not give her (or the party) much attention.

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DrokkIt wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: I think most people have gauged things about right on the issue of doxing. But keeping intelligence files on everybody from Paul Joseph Watson to Aydin Paladin, conspiring to create ops and disinformation campaigns, pseudo gangs and false flags... even planting fake porn! ....who the fuck are these people?
It's clearly both hilarious and deeply autistic.

But (unless I've missed something) the worst thing I've seen them actually do is google CRP and get his name and address off his own patreon. Was anything even done with that? Is just googling someone doxxing them?? Did I miss some other more egregious offence?

Kraut + co deserve having the piss taken, and I'm enjoying it thoroughly. Setting up a TASKFORCE server is impressively retarded, I eagerly await Kraut getting so angry he redacts his protocol zero and comes back to pump out some more flamewar drama.

My point is merely that the "other side" in this are also behaving in a ridiculous manner, doing hours of livestreams crying about morals they don't even have in the first place -as if they don't have hundreds of silly sock accounts doing pretty much the exact same pathetic crap. It's fast become the MOST SERIOUS INTERNET BUSINESS and I'm enjoying watching Warski vacillate wildly between the opinions of whoever he thinks is on his side. Pure teenager shit.
We start off with Kraut grassing up his bitch queen to her employers, and Dox Holiday bragging about bullying her off the internet (and these two weren't alone).
I also believe there was a smear campaign against Edgysphinx a while back. I am in no doubt that Edgeysphinx is edgy and just as autistic and retarded as they are, but even
though he did enough to dig his own grave, they lied about him because the considered him fair game.

So they have a history of "by any means necessary".

Their protests that they were just collecting background information would be plausible if we were talking about anyone else. But they had a target list which was actually called "targets" and they discussed planting false information and even releasing fake nudes... we haven't seen that level of retardation since Coughlan was a big name in the Atheist community.

No egregious offence was committed but this is rather like Abu Hamza walking into a chemist, ordering 250 gallons of peroxide and claiming he just wants to put highlights in his beard.

Warski is definitely making mileage out of this, but good luck to him. I have never paid any attention to him, but he is shaping up to be a good host. He got Kevin Logan, Tim Blake and Sargon on a stream together so it could be a good thing. Besides, I think all the sins need to be purged, lines drawn in the sand about what is acceptable behaviour, and what happens if you go full retard.

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Brive1987 wrote: how very ... traditional

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We even had a dope in a suit take on Dawkins from the pulpit. Very poorly indeed.
In my house it would be more traditional to receive a clip round the ear hole for taking picture in church.

nb You would think at some point they could trade up from Dawkins as the Adversary. He seems pretty much retired, and in any case must have some sort of non-European privileged status from being born in Kenya.

Ah well - all the best to you and your mob (whether they identify as 'Trad' or not) this season.

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VickyCaramel wrote: We start off with Kraut grassing up his bitch queen to her employers, and Dox Holiday bragging about bullying her off the internet (and these two weren't alone).
I also believe there was a smear campaign against Edgysphinx a while back. I am in no doubt that Edgeysphinx is edgy and just as autistic and retarded as they are, but even
though he did enough to dig his own grave, they lied about him because the considered him fair game.

So they have a history of "by any means necessary".

Their protests that they were just collecting background information would be plausible if we were talking about anyone else. But they had a target list which was actually called "targets" and they discussed planting false information and even releasing fake nudes... we haven't seen that level of retardation since Coughlan was a big name in the Atheist community.

No egregious offence was committed but this is rather like Abu Hamza walking into a chemist, ordering 250 gallons of peroxide and claiming he just wants to put highlights in his beard.

Warski is definitely making mileage out of this, but good luck to him. I have never paid any attention to him, but he is shaping up to be a good host. He got Kevin Logan, Tim Blake and Sargon on a stream together so it could be a good thing. Besides, I think all the sins need to be purged, lines drawn in the sand about what is acceptable behaviour, and what happens if you go full retard.
Warski was directly involved with the Rage debacle. All of these people, to a man, are just interested in attention and pushing their own particular agendas. It's really not coming from a place of principle.

This is being played as some massive moral victory over "the skeptics" which supposedly demonstrates "the skeptic community" is inherently amoral and debased. I think this is blowing it out of all proportion to hilarious effect. GGWP all involved, but all it shows is that Kraut, Holliday, CRP and a few others are babyish pillocks who wasted a bunch of time making themselves look stupid and achieved nothing.

I don't think it proves race realism by proxy lolololol, the twitter activity on this is unbelievably reaching.

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DrokkIt wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: We start off with Kraut grassing up his bitch queen to her employers, and Dox Holiday bragging about bullying her off the internet (and these two weren't alone).
I also believe there was a smear campaign against Edgysphinx a while back. I am in no doubt that Edgeysphinx is edgy and just as autistic and retarded as they are, but even
though he did enough to dig his own grave, they lied about him because the considered him fair game.

So they have a history of "by any means necessary".

Their protests that they were just collecting background information would be plausible if we were talking about anyone else. But they had a target list which was actually called "targets" and they discussed planting false information and even releasing fake nudes... we haven't seen that level of retardation since Coughlan was a big name in the Atheist community.

No egregious offence was committed but this is rather like Abu Hamza walking into a chemist, ordering 250 gallons of peroxide and claiming he just wants to put highlights in his beard.

Warski is definitely making mileage out of this, but good luck to him. I have never paid any attention to him, but he is shaping up to be a good host. He got Kevin Logan, Tim Blake and Sargon on a stream together so it could be a good thing. Besides, I think all the sins need to be purged, lines drawn in the sand about what is acceptable behaviour, and what happens if you go full retard.
Warski was directly involved with the Rage debacle. All of these people, to a man, are just interested in attention and pushing their own particular agendas. It's really not coming from a place of principle.

This is being played as some massive moral victory over "the skeptics" which supposedly demonstrates "the skeptic community" is inherently amoral and debased. I think this is blowing it out of all proportion to hilarious effect. GGWP all involved, but all it shows is that Kraut, Holliday, CRP and a few others are babyish pillocks who wasted a bunch of time making themselves look stupid and achieved nothing.

I don't think it proves race realism by proxy lolololol, the twitter activity on this is unbelievably reaching.
Oh fuck, well if you are paying attention to twitter!

Yes the Alt-Right are claiming victory over "THE" skeptic community and maybe even claiming victory for race realism. But that's not how it looks from where I am sitting. I don't think these idiots represent the Skeptic community as a whole any more than somebody like Woolybumblebee. If all these social commentators, news analysts, and political activists stop calling themselves Skeptics, I think it's a win for whats left of the Skeptic community who can get back to important questions like the existence of Sasquatch.

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The drama is much more entertaining and requires a lot less hard work that empirical skepticism.

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jugheadnaut wrote:For Rey's abilities to not be nonsensical, she would have to be more than just a garden variety force sensitive. Yes, it's certainly possible within the lore for a powerful force user to be born to randos, and giving her force-aristocratic parentage wasn't the only solution. But it's narratively the cleanest. Let me put my screenwriter's cap on and give you an example:
What you're writing isn't bad, for a comic or a novel. If it was EU I'd probably enjoy it. As a capital E Episode entry it would make me roll my eyes and walk out of the theater though. Even doing a flashback feels antithetical to the tentpoles of the franchise. I don't think at this level the differences of opinion have much to do with theories about screenwriting but with almost philosophical differences between fans.

Given the constraints that 1) Rey was absurdly, nonsensically powerful in TFA, and 2) any elaborate backstory has to be accomplished through dialogue alone, I believe The Last Jedi's solution was as elegant as could be. We already know Kylo is powerful because of his lineage. We know the force seeks balance. Snoke tells us Rey was created to counter Kylo. Kylo tells us her parents didn't matter, just as Schmi Skywalker didn't matter, reenforcing the theme that the force isn't the sort of mysticism that plays nice with hereditary monarchies, even if it might flirt with them from time to time. That is organic even if you want to call it a deus ex machina.
And it does it not so much with a satirical interpretation of what the fan boys are saying, but with literal quotes, which require no further explanation because they're ludicrous on their face given how bad the movie is.
Define "bad", dude. If personal opinion is all that matters then this is the best Star Wars movie since the originals, because I say so that's why. If critical consensus is all that matters it's at least as good as The Force Awakens with some likening it to the best entry in the entire series. If audience reaction is all that matters it's once more as good as The Force Awakens (no good data for the original trilogy). If the sort of fan most likely to spend a lot of time on reddit and make single use accounts on RT to give a movie that pissed them off a 1/10 score and then comes up with elaborate explanations about what filmmaking rules the movie violated (violations people who critique film professionally were somehow incapable of noticing) to justify their anger as objective is all that matters then yeah. It was a bad/divisive movie.

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Well I'm off home...where the phone company (or some other dark force beyond my ken) have chosen to cut of the 'net for Xmas.

Cheers to the lot of you - things would not be the same without you...

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Here's to absent friends (including Sented Nectar if she decides to pop in)...I shall raise a class of Pimms & Lemonade or perhaps a bottle of Rekorderlig Strwberry-Lime Cider and be thinking of you...

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VickyCaramel wrote: Oh fuck, well if you are paying attention to twitter!

Yes the Alt-Right are claiming victory over "THE" skeptic community and maybe even claiming victory for race realism. But that's not how it looks from where I am sitting. I don't think these idiots represent the Skeptic community as a whole any more than somebody like Woolybumblebee. If all these social commentators, news analysts, and political activists stop calling themselves Skeptics, I think it's a win for whats left of the Skeptic community who can get back to important questions like the existence of Sasquatch.
Agree with all of that.

It's a lesson in what happens when you build an anti-dissent clique -fast track to dogmatic crap.

It's gotta be a cold, hard, reality shower when Thunderfoot was proven right in abandoning these people for their shite behaviour. Time usually makes fools of us, but now he's looking like he made a smart move hahaha.

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I tried doing some homework on all this Kraut shitfest stuff and got completely lost. I'll wait for the DVD. :?

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DrokkIt wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: Oh fuck, well if you are paying attention to twitter!

Yes the Alt-Right are claiming victory over "THE" skeptic community and maybe even claiming victory for race realism. But that's not how it looks from where I am sitting. I don't think these idiots represent the Skeptic community as a whole any more than somebody like Woolybumblebee. If all these social commentators, news analysts, and political activists stop calling themselves Skeptics, I think it's a win for whats left of the Skeptic community who can get back to important questions like the existence of Sasquatch.
Agree with all of that.

It's a lesson in what happens when you build an anti-dissent clique -fast track to dogmatic crap.

It's gotta be a cold, hard, reality shower when Thunderfoot was proven right in abandoning these people for their shite behaviour. Time usually makes fools of us, but now he's looking like he made a smart move hahaha.
Thunderfoot is the worst of the lot, if i had my way he would be sent to the Tower.
It is bad enough that he tried to argue that the EU is democratic, but to then be schooled on both the EU and Britain's system of government by a fucking American is unforgivable.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
DrokkIt wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: Oh fuck, well if you are paying attention to twitter!

Yes the Alt-Right are claiming victory over "THE" skeptic community and maybe even claiming victory for race realism. But that's not how it looks from where I am sitting. I don't think these idiots represent the Skeptic community as a whole any more than somebody like Woolybumblebee. If all these social commentators, news analysts, and political activists stop calling themselves Skeptics, I think it's a win for whats left of the Skeptic community who can get back to important questions like the existence of Sasquatch.
Agree with all of that.

It's a lesson in what happens when you build an anti-dissent clique -fast track to dogmatic crap.

It's gotta be a cold, hard, reality shower when Thunderfoot was proven right in abandoning these people for their shite behaviour. Time usually makes fools of us, but now he's looking like he made a smart move hahaha.
Thunderfoot is the worst of the lot, if i had my way he would be sent to the Tower.
It is bad enough that he tried to argue that the EU is democratic, but to then be schooled on both the EU and Britain's system of government by a fucking American is unforgivable.
And now he looks like a canny operator hahah.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:28 am
Thunderfoot is the worst of the lot, if i had my way he would be sent to the Tower.
It is bad enough that he tried to argue that the EU is democratic, but to then be schooled on both the EU and Britain's system of government by a fucking American is unforgivable.
Eh. He has a different political opinion. So what. He sees the EU in its current state as more beneficial to himself than separating out the nation states. He is a physicist, not an expert on governments.

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I have been trying to think who should be the chosen one, the one true leader of the YouTube Skeptic Community.
I can only really think of Justicar or Potholer as candidates, neither of whom are community minded.

We should nominate and vote on it, then we can have an Emperor for New Year.

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VickyCaramel wrote: I have been trying to think who should be the chosen one, the one true leader of the YouTube Skeptic Community.
I can only really think of Justicar or Potholer as candidates, neither of whom are community minded.

We should nominate and vote on it, then we can have an Emperor for New Year.

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Damn. Did I miss the race realism conversation? Ah well. Merry Christmas to you all.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:44 am
I have been trying to think who should be the chosen one, the one true leader of the YouTube Skeptic Community.
I can only really think of Justicar or Potholer as candidates, neither of whom are community minded.

We should nominate and vote on it, then we can have an Emperor for New Year.
I think the bulk of the youtube "skeptics" have been stating that the label has been applied to them, not that they are claiming the title.

But as far as youtube skeptics go, I am not sure who Potholer is. Justicar would definitely be up there. He works at it and is open to having his claims challenged. Noel Plum also works hard at it and is open to being challenged.

I guess the biggest signifiers that someone is an actual youtube skeptic are:
* They are open to being challenged and respond to criticism.
* Will admit when they are wrong and give credit where credit is due.
* Are not so sold on their own ideas that they just sit around and grand stand on their own perceived righteousness in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.

Teal Deer & vernaculius also do go solid work.

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jet_lagg wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:05 am
Damn. Did I miss the race realism conversation? Ah well. Merry Christmas to you all.
Too bad. The one area of debate where even if you win, you lose. Such a pity to miss out on such a worthy subject.

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VickyCaramel wrote: I have been trying to think who should be the chosen one, the one true leader of the YouTube Skeptic Community.
I can only really think of Justicar or Potholer as candidates, neither of whom are community minded.

We should nominate and vote on it, then we can have an Emperor for New Year.
Vote for Emperor? What kind of squishy, limp dicked,soy boi bullshit is this? There's only one way to become Emperor.



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May I just wish a Happy (European) Christmas to all. Have a very safe 2018 :occasion-snowman:

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deLurch wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:05 am
Damn. Did I miss the race realism conversation? Ah well. Merry Christmas to you all.
Too bad. The one area of debate where even if you win, you lose. Such a pity to miss out on such a worthy subject.
I just enjoy the drama. It's more fun in crowds where the mere possibility is considered heresy. Gurugeorge said everything I wanted to anyway.

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Baby, It's Cold Outside is a rape manual, Jingle Bells is racist. So I'm gonna wish all you crazy bastards a merry christmas with this transphobic song that literally murders trans*kids by assigning them sex binary designation of 'boy' and 'girl', when for all we know they might be pixie*gender, owa-tana-siam-fluid, or vapovir. And on top of that, to impose gender stereotypes with toys ... I'm shaking as I type this.


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deLurch wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:42 am
VickyCaramel wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:28 am
Thunderfoot is the worst of the lot, if i had my way he would be sent to the Tower.
It is bad enough that he tried to argue that the EU is democratic, but to then be schooled on both the EU and Britain's system of government by a fucking American is unforgivable.
Eh. He has a different political opinion. So what. He sees the EU in its current state as more beneficial to himself than separating out the nation states. He is a physicist, not an expert on governments.
His spat with Lauren Southern was just embarrassing. He displayed such cocksure ignorance that she was able to wipe the floor with him without even trying.

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deLurch wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:12 am
VickyCaramel wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:44 am
I have been trying to think who should be the chosen one, the one true leader of the YouTube Skeptic Community.
I can only really think of Justicar or Potholer as candidates, neither of whom are community minded.

We should nominate and vote on it, then we can have an Emperor for New Year.
I think the bulk of the youtube "skeptics" have been stating that the label has been applied to them, not that they are claiming the title.

But as far as youtube skeptics go, I am not sure who Potholer is. Justicar would definitely be up there. He works at it and is open to having his claims challenged. Noel Plum also works hard at it and is open to being challenged.

I guess the biggest signifiers that someone is an actual youtube skeptic are:
* They are open to being challenged and respond to criticism.
* Will admit when they are wrong and give credit where credit is due.
* Are not so sold on their own ideas that they just sit around and grand stand on their own perceived righteousness in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.

Teal Deer & vernaculius also do go solid work.
Potholer is model skeptic. Justicar is like almost all of us who like to call ourselves skeptics in that he is rational and skeptical about most things, but goes spectacularly dogmatic on some pet issues. In his time at the original Pit he he really got on his high horse with some spectacular rants.

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Is this the potholer in question?

https://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54/videos

Not very many videos. But it would not be unusual for there to be an inverse relationship between quantity & quality.

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I'm in love with Nikki Haley!


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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
deLurch wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:12 am
VickyCaramel wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:44 am
I have been trying to think who should be the chosen one, the one true leader of the YouTube Skeptic Community.
I can only really think of Justicar or Potholer as candidates, neither of whom are community minded.

We should nominate and vote on it, then we can have an Emperor for New Year.
I think the bulk of the youtube "skeptics" have been stating that the label has been applied to them, not that they are claiming the title.

But as far as youtube skeptics go, I am not sure who Potholer is. Justicar would definitely be up there. He works at it and is open to having his claims challenged. Noel Plum also works hard at it and is open to being challenged.

I guess the biggest signifiers that someone is an actual youtube skeptic are:
* They are open to being challenged and respond to criticism.
* Will admit when they are wrong and give credit where credit is due.
* Are not so sold on their own ideas that they just sit around and grand stand on their own perceived righteousness in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.

Teal Deer & vernaculius also do go solid work.
Potholer is model skeptic. Justicar is like almost all of us who like to call ourselves skeptics in that he is rational and skeptical about most things, but goes spectacularly dogmatic on some pet issues. In his time at the original Pit he he really got on his high horse with some spectacular rants.
I can cite a specific example of Justipoo's blinkers: when the Pit was freshly dug he asserted that its tagline was "Better Than A Kick in the Cunt" when in fact it was "Better Than a K*** in the C***". It has never been the former, but he could't even be bothered to check and correct it. Ol' PooPoos "knew" is was what he said it had been.

And I just loved his serve to franc about the "paper in the pocket" joke. PooPoo was totally incoherent for most of that month or more.

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John D wrote: I'm in love with Nikki Haley!

This is just how Theresa May should treat the wankers Barnier,Juncker and Tusk at the EU, unfortunately she is a spineless appeaser in the mould of Neville Chamberlain. :x

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For those still interested in the K&T drama - here's a somewhat seasonal summary that you can sing along to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hxGkWRbexI

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The Foxy Folklorist has a piece up about the gender traitors that side with the Patriarchy.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/foxyfolklo ... qus_thread
Is it just me or is this idea of The Patriarchy a looney left wing equivalent of the Illuminati or the world-wide Jewish cabal? I ask the question, hoping that JJ or one of her readers will clarify the issue.
abear • 10 minutes ago
I was wondering whether the Patriarchy runs the Deep State, the Illuminati, and the Bilderbergers or one of those three runs the other ones, they all are independent of the other, or are they all the same group?

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free thoughtpolice wrote: The Foxy Folklorist has a piece up about the gender traitors that side with the Patriarchy.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/foxyfolklo ... qus_thread
Is it just me or is this idea of The Patriarchy a looney left wing equivalent of the Illuminati or the world-wide Jewish cabal? I ask the question, hoping that JJ or one of her readers will clarify the issue.
abear • 10 minutes ago
I was wondering whether the Patriarchy runs the Deep State, the Illuminati, and the Bilderbergers or one of those three runs the other ones, they all are independent of the other, or are they all the same group?
Christ, that woman is seriously whacked in the head. For a professed libertine, she's got major hang-ups about sex, which she projects onto the entire World.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:05 pm

I can cite a specific example of Justipoo's blinkers: when the Pit was freshly dug he asserted that its tagline was "Better Than A Kick in the Cunt" when in fact it was "Better Than a K*** in the C***". It has never been the former, but he could't even be bothered to check and correct it. Ol' PooPoos "knew" is was what he said it had been.

And I just loved his serve to franc about the "paper in the pocket" joke. PooPoo was totally incoherent for most of that month or more.
Justi just couldn't drop his law-enforcement officer perspective on the pocket paper. Apparently there was no other valid perspective. The guy is undoubtedly smart and logical and tends to win arguments by being a lot more knowledgeable about the military, the US constitution and policing than most of his opponents. The amount of reading you'd have to do to verify that he wasn't deliberately leaving out salient facts would be impractical for most of us and that makes me wonder how much distortion he gets away with. He can be really funny when he's not being a giant smartass.

While we're on the subject of dogmatic ranters, anyone know what happened to Welch?

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Lsuoma wrote:
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Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:12 am
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Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:44 am
I have been trying to think who should be the chosen one, the one true leader of the YouTube Skeptic Community.
I can only really think of Justicar or Potholer as candidates, neither of whom are community minded.

We should nominate and vote on it, then we can have an Emperor for New Year.
I think the bulk of the youtube "skeptics" have been stating that the label has been applied to them, not that they are claiming the title.

But as far as youtube skeptics go, I am not sure who Potholer is. Justicar would definitely be up there. He works at it and is open to having his claims challenged. Noel Plum also works hard at it and is open to being challenged.

I guess the biggest signifiers that someone is an actual youtube skeptic are:
* They are open to being challenged and respond to criticism.
* Will admit when they are wrong and give credit where credit is due.
* Are not so sold on their own ideas that they just sit around and grand stand on their own perceived righteousness in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.

Teal Deer & vernaculius also do go solid work.
Potholer is model skeptic. Justicar is like almost all of us who like to call ourselves skeptics in that he is rational and skeptical about most things, but goes spectacularly dogmatic on some pet issues. In his time at the original Pit he he really got on his high horse with some spectacular rants.
I can cite a specific example of Justipoo's blinkers: when the Pit was freshly dug he asserted that its tagline was "Better Than A Kick in the Cunt" when in fact it was "Better Than a K*** in the C***". It has never been the former, but he could't even be bothered to check and correct it. Ol' PooPoos "knew" is was what he said it had been.

And I just loved his serve to franc about the "paper in the pocket" joke. PooPoo was totally incoherent for most of that month or more.
A while ago, both Justicar and Vernaculus were talking about gun control, both had given the argument that out of a population of 350 million, an almost insignificant portion had been killed in school shootings. That it was an acceptable price to pay.

I have always been worried about this dogmatic 'consistency of principles' thing that is evident in both of them. So I asked both of them, "how many deaths is unacceptable".
Justicar straight out said that no price is too high, which I kind of respected.
Vernaculus avoided the question and pretty much chimped out when I kept asking. He is very emotional and resorts to ad hom rather than see the other side.... but at least he isn't as bad as Gad Saad.

I don't think I have ever seen Potholer54 put a foot wrong, and I don't know how the hell i could have forgotten about Noel Plum.

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deLurch wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:57 am
Is this the potholer in question?

https://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54/videos

Not very many videos. But it would not be unusual for there to be an inverse relationship between quantity & quality.
I was just assuming it was. He doesn't do many vids because he isn't about drama or subscribers. He's a science media pro of some sort and pretty much sticks to point by point debunking with references to scientific publications. He's the guy who Crowder backed out of debating about climate change. Perhaps Crowder had just enough awareness to realise that regurgitating talking points at Potholer wasn't going to end well for him.

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Read this on Kotakuinaction and liked it.
Comparing the hero's journey to feminist empowerment in storytelling (self.KotakuInAction)

submitted 1 day ago * by OstensiblyOriginal

I thought it would be useful to have a primer identifying the new tropes being introduced to storytelling via feminism. I'm no literary expert, so maybe others can provide some better information, but I haven't seen this done yet. I think the Last Jedi is a near perfect example of the rhetorical devices in modern feminist storytelling, and I'd like to compare that to the classical hero's journey to understand the differences.

The hero's journey, or monomyth, has been studied for decades and it's architypes can be seen in stories dating back thousands of years. It has a defined structure consisting of a number of stages that follow the same general pattern:

The hero begins in an environment of normality when an external event forces a change from said normality.
The initial call to action is often refused. Reasons may include fear or prior obligations. This underscores the hero's undeveloped potential.
A supernatural occurrence or mentor figure may push the hero to take action, being a source of inspiration or wisdom and attributing a grander purpose to the journey and hero.
A series of trials are to be overcome. Each more difficult than the last and testing a different aspect of the hero while also preparing him for the next trial. Aide may come in surprising and subtle forms.
A revelation correlates with a loss. The hero experiences his first major failure on the journey and the ensuing self-doubt will test his resolve to carry on.
The hero accepts his fate and faces his final battle expecting self-sacrifice. The archenemy will have a connection to the hero's past and is often a metaphor for the hero's true enemy; himself.
Afterwards the hero is unable to return to his prior life, finding that the journey has irrevocably changed him.
It is a journey of self development and self awareness. The hero always becomes more then he was through perseverance and aide from others and highlights the attributes required for success. It is ultimately a journey of the self.

The feminist model of female empowerment on the other hand, seems to forego any sense of arc or development and focusing on the Star Wars example, has the following characteristics:

The hero is a woman who has been victimized since childhood. Her power has always been there, but was previously slumbering or oppressed and only needs to be awakened. (Rey)
Strong role-models are flawless women with no realistic story of how they achieved such status. (Leia). They inspire with messages of hope and love.
The enemy is white men, who in a group form the oppressive patriarchy or white supremacy.
Men are always depicted as weak and flawed. If the enemy, they are incompetent and bitter, their only purpose is to oppress. If friend, they are disempowered. They are depicted as useless aside from a means of force (Po Dameron) or they are old and dying in an unbecoming manner, their flaws having grown to overshadow their integrity (Luke). Their death is welcomed to make way for the new female empowerment.
Allies are visible minorities. They are everywhere. They are great.
A strong woman who is underestimated by men does something(s) men thought impossible but women always knew. She does it without aide and a man may have tried to get in her way.
The hero wins by virtue of being at the scene of the final conflict. It is always a woman defeating a man, highlighting how she was always better than him and his defeat reveals him to be weak and pathetic.
The hero's journey is one of good versus evil, it goes from nothing to something, it depicts how the transition was made, what value it has, and is ultimately a journey of the self. The hero and enemy can be anyone, the journey can be anything.

Contrast that with the feminist story - I struggle to find the right name for it since one of the defining characteristics is that it is not a journey at all. It is a message that says women have always been powerful and that power only needs to be awakened. It divides along gender and racial lines, depicting women and minorities as good and white men as weak. I think this is why the Last Jedi has a plot that sometimes seems disjointed; the tropes aren't a story, they are devices that "just are". It's not a depiction of growth and development, it is only there to emphasize and deconstruct the environment of white male oppressors. Other components of the story need have no purpose other than to give screen time to minorities.

Edit: This (ironically) reflects the classical view that feminism was opposed to which presents men as being able to do, to improve and make something of themselves where women just are beautiful and loving.

There is also an obvious attempt to subvert previous expectations (created by men) such as Rey getting captured in TFA then saving herself, subverting the trope of rescuing a princess. And, spoiler:
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We are left with the obvious theme that anything man-made be subverted and deconstructed while women have always been powerful.

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Shem the Penman, an insufferable Regressive Leftist cunt, now has its own Patheos blog. Referring to an exchange on another Patheos blog with another commenter (but no ID or links), goes off on how scientism is real and is bad, and how there are indeed 'other ways of knowing.'

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/driventoab ... e-science/

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Merry Christmas Pitizens. May Santa's sack fill you with the essence of the season.

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it is pretty freaky to see population replacement in a coutry and you see that in those school pictures. i grew up in the uk in the eighties and i was the only black kid in the nieghbourhood and one of two in my school.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:44 pm
Shem the Penman, an insufferable Regressive Leftist cunt, now has its own Patheos blog. Referring to an exchange on another Patheos blog with another commenter (but no ID or links), goes off on how scientism is real and is bad, and how there are indeed 'other ways of knowing.'

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/driventoab ... e-science/
I don't understand how people can buy into this other ways of knowing crap. It's a contradiction. How do they know that these 'other ways' produce actual knowledge without objective means of verifying the 'knowledge'. What they are really on about is ways of believing what they want to believe.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Shem the Penman, an insufferable Regressive Leftist cunt, now has its own Patheos blog. Referring to an exchange on another Patheos blog with another commenter (but no ID or links), goes off on how scientism is real and is bad, and how there are indeed 'other ways of knowing.'

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/driventoab ... e-science/
He's a complete tool:
In response to the poster above, I said that most of what we know about the world derives from sense experience and a vaguely coherent process of reasoning. I mentioned that I “know” Roy Moore lost his Senate bid, but that this knowledge was gained just by seeing many media outlets report the story, and assuming that it’s more likely the reports are true than that there’s a worldwide media conspiracy to make people believe a complete fiction. It’s not like I conducted rounds of formalized empirical testing or anything.
It's almost as if someone did set up rules for a Senate run, and someone verified who the winner was according to evidence of what was produced according to the rules, and someone reported on the results :bjarte:
If you live in Hartford, Connecticut, but I tell people you live in Massachusetts, I’m wrong. Objectively wrong. We can’t scientifically detect the Connecticut-ness of the territory, but it’s not like the borders between states don’t exist simply because they’re products of human endeavor. The play Hamlet is a product of human imagination and effort too; however, if I say that my cousin Keith wrote it, that there’s a rap break in Act 2, or that the lead character is a lizard, I’m wrong. Objectively wrong.
"We can't scientifically detect the Connecticut-ness of the territory" :lol:

He builds his own straw men and then burns them down.

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Shem the Penman is the some moron who wrote this:
Like I've said before, feminism is a critique of the way power operates in society. It deals with cultural dynamics, systemic inequities, and historical developments. It's not just about the click-bait controversy du jour, or whether what's-her-name overreacted to someone's blog post.
The "click-bait controversies du jour" were the gender pay gap and the "1 in 5 women are raped in college" narrative :bjarte:

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We've all met the religious apologists who try to respond to criticism with "sophisticated theology". Shem the Penman is the paladin of "sophisticated Critical Theory". :twatson:

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John D wrote: I'm in love with Nikki Haley!

I ask,what is the capital of Israel, when my friends and family lambast Trump for claiming Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

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I am sick of winter and Christmas songs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tml3SUvdhBw

I am off to get fat and drunk. Merry Xmas dickheads and remember not to drink and drive.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Shem the Penman, an insufferable Regressive Leftist cunt, now has its own Patheos blog. Referring to an exchange on another Patheos blog with another commenter (but no ID or links), goes off on how scientism is real and is bad, and how there are indeed 'other ways of knowing.'

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/driventoab ... e-science/
The whole "scientism" thing is a pile of crap. The post-modernist, religious, and the new age types want to discredit science because they hold beliefs that don't stand up to rigorous inspection standards such as those used by science. Shem the Penisman is resorting to unsophisticated sophistry, fudging on the meanings of words, and a certain amount of goal post shifting there.
His contention is that scientism is the idea that science is the only way of getting knowledge.
I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. For instance, pretty much everyone has a way of knowing that they need to take a shit, is there anyone that they think they need to apply the scientific method?

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I’m Shem, and I’ve been blogging here and at Disqus for over a year. I’ve discussed subjects like history, philosophy, music, literature, and science from a perspective that’s informed by satire, lefty politics, feminism, and postmodern thought. I’m hoping to make this blog something unique, where we can examine subjects that are rarely discussed rather than have endless rounds of the God-is-God-ain’t debate.

I’m going to be posting about current events and recent articles from around the Web, reviewing books about various topics, and digging into the way we conceptualize matters like CRISPR, evolutionary psychology, free speech, and female autonomy. I’ll be asking questions like “What do we mean when we talk about evidence?” and “How does knowledge function in the post-truth society?”
Apparently, when we talk about evidence, we mean 'muh feelz'.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/driventoab ... tion-blog/

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Merry Christmas Pitters

I don't post here very often but I read you guys multiple times a day

Cheers

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
I’m Shem, and I’ve been blogging here and at Disqus for over a year. I’ve discussed subjects like history, philosophy, music, literature, and science from a perspective that’s informed by satire, lefty politics, feminism, and postmodern thought. I’m hoping to make this blog something unique, where we can examine subjects that are rarely discussed rather than have endless rounds of the God-is-God-ain’t debate.

I’m going to be posting about current events and recent articles from around the Web, reviewing books about various topics, and digging into the way we conceptualize matters like CRISPR, evolutionary psychology, free speech, and female autonomy. I’ll be asking questions like “What do we mean when we talk about evidence?” and “How does knowledge function in the post-truth society?”
Apparently, when we talk about evidence, we mean 'muh feelz'.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/driventoab ... tion-blog/
Sounds like we've got ourselves a real polymath here. Well, that or a hilariously self-important little jizzbomb. I think only time will tell, no way I'm making up my mind either way at this point.

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Isn't it about time we had the call for nominations to poll for the 2017 Cunties?

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Merry Xmas pitters!

Best Xmas in a while:

1) We didn't buy gifts and I treated my wife, kids, and sig others to a five day trip to Vegas. We had a blast!

2) I didn't decorate at all since we took the trip. I can look out my big front window and enjoy the neighbor's decorations instead.... very impressive.

3) Angus steak for Xmas dinner tomorrow.

4) 2 inches of snow makes everything pretty

5) Lots of time to walk the dog and work on the Slypit card game.

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VickyCaramel wrote: I am sick of winter and Christmas songs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tml3SUvdhBw

Could be the next Candy Johnson

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MarcusAu wrote:
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Brive1987 wrote: how very ... traditional

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We even had a dope in a suit take on Dawkins from the pulpit. Very poorly indeed.
In my house it would be more traditional to receive a clip round the ear hole for taking picture in church.

nb You would think at some point they could trade up from Dawkins as the Adversary. He seems pretty much retired, and in any case must have some sort of non-European privileged status from being born in Kenya.

Ah well - all the best to you and your mob (whether they identify as 'Trad' or not) this season.

I know the drill. We used to get 2 strokes of the cane for talking in Chapel. I’ll rest with the defense that the service was still 20 mins away and my crime was less than the assorted butt cheeks, shorts and video cameras on display. Further, if the damn harpist is allowed to sneak off mid service with her job done and the priest wears a bad suit, well the rules must be considered suspended.

Related ‘fun story’ - Last night when the final carol ended there was a smattering of applause and in the silence I blurted out (to my wife’s amused shock)”Jesus Christ - what’s that”. Congratulating human achievement being of course, forbidden when the artistry is supposed to be a celebration of God. Or so my High Anglican School taught in no uncertain terms.

:lol: :lol:

The sermon took on John and ”the word” and made a mess of what’s probably the most complicated piece of theology in the Gospels. He then mocked Dawkins for demanding evidence when no NT historian seriously disputes the existence of Jesus. Ha. Case closed. In fact his whole monologue was a Gish Gallop of blurred quotes and references bonded by simple self evident truths.

Scored a good gift from the son - “Cambridge Companion to religion and terrorism” published 2017.

And scored an essay back from a relative to our midnight “merry Christmas” email castigating us for falling victim to Satan and that no true Christian should celebrate Christmas as it was (and is) a pagan conspiracy of the Romans and the Jew to fuel their domination. My wife couldn’t decide whether to squeeze out a tear of hurt or mirth. So she had a 15 yo Drambuie and carried on making the hard sauce.

And Lunch/Dinner with the relatives hasn’t even started ......

So. Let all of our festive days be merry. :mrgreen: :popcorn: :whistle:

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Sticky Dicky's ongoing pissing match with christian biblical scholars gets extra nasty:
https://vridar.org/2017/12/22/is-there- ... ment-84003

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1 min piece of Christmas cheer.

Apparently there is good news and there is bad news.


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Brive1987 wrote: 1 min piece of Christmas cheer.

Apparently there is good news and there is bad news.

Well that's cheered me up nicely for the big day. Fuck it, in honor of that useless fucking organ donor I'm going to light a special candle for jesus.

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No way this could head south.


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Then what are you going to do with the candle? Just asking, not entirely out innate creativity. :?

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Looked like Twitter has closed down Julian Assange.

Locked