In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

[Keating]

My Thought Of The Day:

That's why I like you Phil. You're always so deep.

[Bhurzum]

My Thought Of The Day:

That's why I like you Phil. You're always so deep.

It depends upon how many crayons he's had... ;)

[gurugeorge]

Isn't part of the tragedy of the America Civil War the fact that the South had some justice on its side?

How much was the war really about "freeing the slaves," and how much about empire-building?

Perhaps "useful idiots" is an older concept than Bolshevism?

I'm honestly asking, because I've come across all sorts of arguments about it here and there, but I haven't really looked deeply into it. Isn't there some suspicion that Lincoln was a bit of a cunt?

[Bhurzum]

Isn't there some suspicion that Lincoln was a bit of a cunt?

[shoutinghorse]

Bring back McCarthyism :x

http://i.imgur.com/FdSTAQm.jpg

[Bhurzum]

Bring back McCarthyism :x

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... ration.jpg

Wait, what?

(It's a pity she's a total mentalist!)

[feathers]

My Thought Of The Day:

Is it already Friday again? That's when that happens to me.

[Shatterface]

So is it still acceptable to enjoy movies such as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales' - as the hero (or protagonist if you prefer) was a confederate ex-soldier?

It still seems to hold up for me...

It was based on a novel by 'Forrest Carter', allegedly a Cherokee Indian.

Except Carter was really Asa Earl Carter, a leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Earl_Carter

[screwtape]

Just heading out to Salem, OR, for the you-know-what.

See y'all later...

I'll bet you think that song was about you....

[feathers]

It was based on a novel by 'Forrest Carter', allegedly a Cherokee Indian.

Except Carter was really Asa Earl Carter, a leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1976, following the success of The Rebel Outlaw and its film adaptation, The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976), The New York Times revealed Forrest Carter was actually southerner Asa Earl Carter.
...
Asa Carter was born in Anniston, Alabama in 1925, the second eldest of four children.[2] Despite later claims (as author "Forrest" Carter) that he was orphaned, he was raised by his parents Ralph and Hermione Carter in nearby Oxford, Alabama. Both parents lived into Carter's adulthood.

So he was a trans-indian?

[Shatterface]

I have a Buster Keaton box set on pre-order. One of the films is The General in which Keaton plays a man declared unfit to serve in the army but who wanted to fight for the Confederate side. He said at the time “It’s awful hard to make heroes out of the Yankees.”

Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind both side with the South, as do The Searchers (John Ford, 1956), The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966), True Grit (Henry Hathaway, 1869), The Outlaw Josey Wales (Clint Eastwood, 1973), The Ling Riders (Walter Hill, 1980), Ride With the Devil (Ang Lee, 1999), Cold Mountain (Anthony Minghella, 2003), The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Dominik, 2007) and John Carter (Andrew Stanton, 2012).

In Shenandoah (Andrew McLaglen, 1965) tries to keep his family out of the war until his son is mistakenly taken prisoner by the Union. Shane (George Stevens, 1959) is generally considered a Confedetate veteran but this isn't confirmed onscreen.

Films that took the Union side:

The Red Badge of Courage (John Huston, 1951), The Horse Soldiers(John Ford, 1959), Major Dundee (Sam Peckinpah, 1965), The Beguiled (Don Siegel, 1971), Glory (Edward Zwick, 1989), Gettysburg (Ronald Maxwell, 1993), Lincoln (Steven Spielberg, 2012).

[Jack Wooster]

I'm on gab now. Anyone else on gab?

I am. What is your id?

Id? Be careful with that...

I've come to the conclusion that all the Krell did was invent social media and that was enough to unleash the power of the dark side of their minds and destroy their civilisation over night.

[Kirbmarc]

Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind both side with the South, as do The Searchers (John Ford, 1956), The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966), True Grit (Henry Hathaway, 1869), The Outlaw Josey Wales (Clint Eastwood, 1973), The Ling Riders (Walter Hill, 1980), Ride With the Devil (Ang Lee, 1999), Cold Mountain (Anthony Minghella, 2003), The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Dominik, 2007) and John Carter (Andrew Stanton, 2012).

In Shenandoah (Andrew McLaglen, 1965) tries to keep his family out of the war until his son is mistakenly taken prisoner by the Union. Shane (George Stevens, 1959) is generally considered a Confedetate veteran but this isn't confirmed onscreen.

Films that took the Union side:

The Red Badge of Courage (John Huston, 1951), The Horse Soldiers(John Ford, 1959), Major Dundee (Sam Peckinpah, 1965), The Beguiled (Don Siegel, 1971), Glory (Edward Zwick, 1989), Gettysburg (Ronald Maxwell, 1993), Lincoln (Steven Spielberg, 2012).

I wouldn't say that "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" sides with the Confederacy. It's more about how tragic and pointless war is. There are sympathetic Union soldiers in the movie (the alcoholic captain at the bridge, the infirm camp commander who is powerless to stop the torture of Confederate soldiers at the hands of Angel Eyes) and moreover the entire movie is about three scoundrels fighting each other for a bunch of gold, two of which simply pretend to be Confederate soldiers to get their hands on the gold, while another takes on the uniform of the Union simply to advance his plan to find the same treasure.

[Kirbmarc]

Also the protagonist of the movie, and arguably the most human and complex character, is actually a Mexican bandit.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

It's been a while since I've seen 'The Fog of War' but I as I recall McNamara didn't quite admit to anything. But it was fairly clear from the context (including his later career choices) that he thought that he had some atoning to do.

And it was a fairly clear inference that the audience could make.

I haven't seen it in a while either, but my recollection is it was a pretty direct mea culpa on his part, that he admitted he misunderstood the entire North Vietnamese motivation. But I could be wrong.

FOG OF WAR is amazing. McNamara is extremely candid about his errors, about the US's motives, and his sharp mind shines through.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I have a Buster Keaton box set on pre-order. One of the films is The General in which Keaton plays a man declared unfit to serve in the army but who wanted to fight for the Confederate side. He said at the time “It’s awful hard to make heroes out of the Yankees.”

Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind both side with the South, as do The Searchers (John Ford, 1956), The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966), True Grit (Henry Hathaway, 1869), The Outlaw Josey Wales (Clint Eastwood, 1973), The Ling Riders (Walter Hill, 1980), Ride With the Devil (Ang Lee, 1999), Cold Mountain (Anthony Minghella, 2003), The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Dominik, 2007) and John Carter (Andrew Stanton, 2012).

In Shenandoah (Andrew McLaglen, 1965) tries to keep his family out of the war until his son is mistakenly taken prisoner by the Union. Shane (George Stevens, 1959) is generally considered a Confedetate veteran but this isn't confirmed onscreen.

Films that took the Union side:

The Red Badge of Courage (John Huston, 1951), The Horse Soldiers(John Ford, 1959), Major Dundee (Sam Peckinpah, 1965), The Beguiled (Don Siegel, 1971), Glory (Edward Zwick, 1989), Gettysburg (Ronald Maxwell, 1993), Lincoln (Steven Spielberg, 2012).

Other than BIRTH OF A NATION, I don't see these films as picking sides.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

BTW, I'm getting a lot of crap from people about DUNKIRK. They're asking me if I've seen or will see it, and I say: 'no; I prefer movies with happy endings.'

[Shatterface]

Other than BIRTH OF A NATION, I don't see these films as picking sides.

It's more a case of which side the more sympathetic characters fought on rather than supporting the cause.

Westerns tend to focus on outlaws and the disenfranchised and those otherwise resisting the urbanisation of the West. It's a genre centred on rugged individualism and the romance of the wilderness.

[Shatterface]

Missing British boy, 7, confirmed dead following Barcelona attacks

https://www.metro.co.uk/2017/08/20/miss ... 65004/amp/

[Billie from Ockham]

New SyeTen...

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those that believe that Sye Ten is a god and those who don't get it.

[Billie from Ockham]

I'm on gab now. Anyone else on gab?

I am. What is your id?

It's the part of your mind that struggles with your ego.

If this is serious, then the correct answer is that the id fights with the superego, not the ego.

[Billie from Ockham]

I had an early fetish for the word "jodhpurs", as the first porn thing I was accidentally introduced to as a kid was one of those all-story porn mags in the UK that I found in someone's discarded magazines outside their house.

There was one story about toffs having sex after fox hunting, and the female protagonist had her jodhpurs about her ankles and for some reason I just fixated on the word. At a later stage she also had her "legs akimbo" and I also fixated on "legs akimbo" for quite some time after that.

One of my favorite Anaïs Nin stories involves jodhpurs, so you are not alone.

[MarcusAu]

I have a Buster Keaton box set on pre-order. One of the films is The General in which Keaton plays a man declared unfit to serve in the army but who wanted to fight for the Confederate side. He said at the time “It’s awful hard to make heroes out of the Yankees.”

Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind both side with the South, as do The Searchers (John Ford, 1956), The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966), True Grit (Henry Hathaway, 1869), The Outlaw Josey Wales (Clint Eastwood, 1973), The Ling Riders (Walter Hill, 1980), Ride With the Devil (Ang Lee, 1999), Cold Mountain (Anthony Minghella, 2003), The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Dominik, 2007) and John Carter (Andrew Stanton, 2012).

In Shenandoah (Andrew McLaglen, 1965) tries to keep his family out of the war until his son is mistakenly taken prisoner by the Union. Shane (George Stevens, 1959) is generally considered a Confedetate veteran but this isn't confirmed onscreen.

Films that took the Union side:

The Red Badge of Courage (John Huston, 1951), The Horse Soldiers(John Ford, 1959), Major Dundee (Sam Peckinpah, 1965), The Beguiled (Don Siegel, 1971), Glory (Edward Zwick, 1989), Gettysburg (Ronald Maxwell, 1993), Lincoln (Steven Spielberg, 2012).

I'd add Andersonville (John Frankenheimer, 1996) to the list of pro Union films (even though it was shot for TV)

The bit of trivia I recall about True Grit is that it premiered at a drive-in with John Wayne firing a shotgun from the box office roof. Though it occurred somewhat latter in Wayne's career than you date it. 'The Ling Riders' sounds more like an Eastern than a Western.

I think there was another Buster Keaton movie set in contemporary times (ie the early 1920s) where at one point a bunch of Civil War vets join in the chase - though it is unclear if they were Yankies/Rebs or both - so it's not clear which side it is pro (if any).

Also by some definitions stories prior to the Civil War would be pioneer tales (say from 1800 - 1860 approx), then there would be Civil War stories ( 1861 - 1865), and true westerns would occur in the post-civil war period up until 1900 or so. By time Eastwood started making movies all bets were off with post-modern, supernatural and revisionist stories all subverting the norms. (Well John Wayne didn't understand them anyway).

[Service Dog]

East Village apartment with Confederate, Israel, US, & Nazi Naval Iron Cross flags in windows...

https://i1.wp.com/buddhadrinksfanta.com ... 1000%2C667

Successfully censored by coalition of Police, Landlord, and rock-throwing/virtue-signaling neighbors...
https://assets-dnainfo-com.cdn.ampproje ... iginal.jpg

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dnainf ... enue-d.amp

[Eskarina]

(snip for brevity)

So it's not just a matter of tactics, it's a matter of projects. The small but vocal Communist/Anarcho-Communist crowd within the anti-Nazi protests isn't deluded or confused about what they do (although they're likely deluded about their chances of victory). They WANT an uprising, they WANT violence and chaos to undermine liberal democracy, they WOULD turn on some of their Social Democratic allies as soon as they were in power.

That's why the Social Democratic or simply pro-Democracy anti-Nazi crowd need to ditch the violent and illiberal part of their movements. Not just because of bad optics, but because the people who want a Communist revolution don't want the same things of those who simply want to stop the Nazis.

You're describing here exactly how the Nazis started out: as a small, but very vocal group that grew and grew and grew until it was no longer safe to speak out against them. (Cue in Martin Niemöller and Alanis Morrisette)

The German antifa seems to be targetting "Die Mitte" at the moment, which obviously includes everyone to the right of them. It's about time the rest of us realises how toxic they are.

[Lsuoma]

Correct. You know who else wore jodhpurs?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PIUHpUU415E/T ... er+NEW.jpg

I had an early fetish for the word "jodhpurs", as the first porn thing I was accidentally introduced to as a kid was one of those all-story porn mags in the UK that I found in someone's discarded magazines outside their house.

There was one story about toffs having sex after fox hunting, and the female protagonist had her jodhpurs about her ankles and for some reason I just fixated on the word. At a later stage she also had her "legs akimbo" and I also fixated on "legs akimbo" for quite some time after that.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/6b8e007294e5 ... 6_1280.png

[Lsuoma]

Takes talent, time, effort and a sense of good-natured humor.

So does not apply to the crazy new left.

Love it!

See, you can undermine fuckwits and knuckle-draggers without burning cities down, trashing shops and making a complete arse of yourself. If the antifa goons really gave a fuck about their fellow humans, they'd adopt this type of tactic - use the noodle, not the baseball bat.

Someone (can't remember who) once said that laughter is the sound that tyrants and dictators hate and fear the most. It's a pity that the antifa hasn't grokked that yet and likely never will. The violence they use is a language their enemy understands; and probably better than them.

Oh well, I guess it's a case of becoming what you are fighting against

P.G Wodehouse knew this viscerally - Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts.

[MarcusAu]

P.G Wodehouse knew this viscerally - Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts.

To be fair - Spode had a lot of good ideas...

[Malky]

I have a Buster Keaton box set on pre-order. One of the films is The General in which Keaton plays a man declared unfit to serve in the army but who wanted to fight for the Confederate side. He said at the time “It’s awful hard to make heroes out of the Yankees.”

Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind both side with the South, as do The Searchers (John Ford, 1956), The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966), True Grit (Henry Hathaway, 1869), The Outlaw Josey Wales (Clint Eastwood, 1973), The Ling Riders (Walter Hill, 1980), Ride With the Devil (Ang Lee, 1999), Cold Mountain (Anthony Minghella, 2003), The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Dominik, 2007) and John Carter (Andrew Stanton, 2012).

In Shenandoah (Andrew McLaglen, 1965) tries to keep his family out of the war until his son is mistakenly taken prisoner by the Union. Shane (George Stevens, 1959) is generally considered a Confedetate veteran but this isn't confirmed onscreen.

Films that took the Union side:

The Red Badge of Courage (John Huston, 1951), The Horse Soldiers(John Ford, 1959), Major Dundee (Sam Peckinpah, 1965), The Beguiled (Don Siegel, 1971), Glory (Edward Zwick, 1989), Gettysburg (Ronald Maxwell, 1993), Lincoln (Steven Spielberg, 2012).

Can I ask where you are ordering this from?

[free thoughtpolice]

Isn't there some suspicion that Lincoln was a bit of a cunt?

He had quite a few secrets the public doesn't know about:

[shoutinghorse]

Anyway ... Anyone who says Nazis dont know how to have good time :dance:

http://i.imgur.com/zsIxTRr.jpg

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I'd add Andersonville (John Frankenheimer, 1996) to the list of pro Union films (even though it was shot for TV)

The bit of trivia I recall about True Grit is that it premiered at a drive-in with John Wayne firing a shotgun from the box office roof. Though it occurred somewhat latter in Wayne's career than you date it. 'The Ling Riders' sounds more like an Eastern than a Western.

I think there was another Buster Keaton movie set in contemporary times (ie the early 1920s) where at one point a bunch of Civil War vets join in the chase - though it is unclear if they were Yankies/Rebs or both - so it's not clear which side it is pro (if any).

Also by some definitions stories prior to the Civil War would be pioneer tales (say from 1800 - 1860 approx), then there would be Civil War stories ( 1861 - 1865), and true westerns would occur in the post-civil war period up until 1900 or so. By time Eastwood started making movies all bets were off with post-modern, supernatural and revisionist stories all subverting the norms. (Well John Wayne didn't understand them anyway).

Seems like there's no love for Glory (1989, Edward Zwick) in these here parts. Shame, it's one of my favorite movies.

[Bhurzum]

He had quite a few secrets the public doesn't know about

Indeed:



If this video is anything to go by, he hunted more than vampires... :lol:

[Shatterface]

Can I ask where you are ordering this from?

I ordered the Keaton set from Amazon. It's a Eureka! Masters of Cinema release. Might be region locked (Europe). It also includes Sherlock Jr and Steamboat Bill Jr. I get all the Masters of Cinema releases.

[TheMudbrooker]

Buster Keaton was an amateur.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Anyway ... Anyone who says Nazis dont know how to have good time :dance:

http://i.imgur.com/zsIxTRr.jpg

A dude, can't tell, if I was drunk, probably, probably, no, a dude, hell yes, yes, can't tell, oh yeah, if I was drunk, a dude.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Seems like there's no love for Glory (1989, Edward Zwick) in these here parts. Shame, it's one of my favorite movies.

Love it.

[CommanderTuvok]

I'm sure many of you have been following the Mythcon saga, and the delicious outcome that Mytyhcon have told PZ, Shivers, Arel, Winters, and the other cunts to shut the fuck up.

Anyway, have you Pitters noticed that none of them are upset that Creepy Jizz Flinger Richard Carrier is attending? Seems Myers and co are not too concerned about his rapey behaviour.

[free thoughtpolice]

I'm sure many of you have been following the Mythcon saga, and the delicious outcome that Mytyhcon have told PZ, Shivers, Arel, Winters, and the other cunts to shut the fuck up.

Anyway, have you Pitters noticed that none of them are upset that Creepy Jizz Flinger Richard Carrier is attending? Seems Myers and co are not too concerned about his rapey behaviour.

The only way to shut PZ and the baboon troupe up is to sue them. You can be sure otherwise they would be flinging shit at him too.

[free thoughtpolice]

France is in mourning. Jerry Lewis dead at 91. No one else cares.

[Really?]

I'm sure many of you have been following the Mythcon saga, and the delicious outcome that Mytyhcon have told PZ, Shivers, Arel, Winters, and the other cunts to shut the fuck up.

Anyway, have you Pitters noticed that none of them are upset that Creepy Jizz Flinger Richard Carrier is attending? Seems Myers and co are not too concerned about his rapey behaviour.

Frankly, it is disturbing that Richard Carrier has no problem associating with Nazis and Nazi enablers. If he opposed Nazis, he would refuse to associate with Milwaukee Mythicists ever again, even though they have been a great help to him over the years. Unfortunately, Carrier still associates with CFI, in spite of their long history of anti-woman Nazihood.

[DrokkIt]

I think that the problem runs even deeper than that.

Everyone who believes in liberal democracy should oppose Nazism, fascism and the assorted collection of authoritarian right-wing race-based movements, since they undermine the principles and foundations of liberal democracy.

But some people (a minority, but a vocal one) are opposed to Nazism not because they want to defend liberal democracy, but because they follow the Utopian dream of a Communist/Anarchist/Anarcho-Communist revolution.

Communists and Anarcho-Communists are substantially Utopian. Their ideals of peace and harmony through (forced) cooperation and sharing are better than Nazi-Fascism's ideals of a nation where people are at least second class citizens according to their ethnicity, but their political projects are just as incompatible with liberal democracy as Nazi-Fascism.

The people who think that "liberals get the bullet, too" or that political violence is OK aren't doing this just because they've been "radicalized", but because it's part of the DNA of their ideologies that liberal democracy needs to go to be replaced by the dictatorship of the proletariat and/or councils of workers (Soviets). They're fighting Nazis but they could just as well fight Conservatives or Liberals or even Social Democrats.

For example in pre-Nazi Germany the Communist street fighters attacked the Social Democrats and Conservatives as much they attacked the Nazis, while during the Spanish Civil War the Communists actually spent more time fighting Social Democrats and other leftist groups which didn't share their project than the pro-Franco forces. George Orwell (who was a Social Democrat and highly critical of Communists regimes) describes this well in "Homage to Catalonia".

On the other hand in the US social democrats (whose ideas ARE compatible with liberal democracy) are frequently called "communists" or "radicals". This adds a lot of confusion about who's who and what they're fighting for. People like Bernie Sanders, who believe in the liberal democratic system and in reforms, not revolutions, to enact "piecemeal social engineering" have as much in common with the Communist/Anarcho-Communist crowd as Conservatives have in common with Nazism.

So it's not just a matter of tactics, it's a matter of projects. The small but vocal Communist/Anarcho-Communist crowd within the anti-Nazi protests isn't deluded or confused about what they do (although they're likely deluded about their chances of victory). They WANT an uprising, they WANT violence and chaos to undermine liberal democracy, they WOULD turn on some of their Social Democratic allies as soon as they were in power.

That's why the Social Democratic or simply pro-Democracy anti-Nazi crowd need to ditch the violent and illiberal part of their movements. Not just because of bad optics, but because the people who want a Communist revolution don't want the same things of those who simply want to stop the Nazis.

Kirb, this is such a well-reasoned argument and appraisal of tensions that I think it ought to be put on a blog somewhere or something.

[Bhurzum]

Suffragette or member of the KKK?

https://www.cafe.com/who-said-it-suffra ... ce=twitter

I scored 42% and feel like a prize ass.

[Kirbmarc]

I'm sure many of you have been following the Mythcon saga, and the delicious outcome that Mytyhcon have told PZ, Shivers, Arel, Winters, and the other cunts to shut the fuck up.

Anyway, have you Pitters noticed that none of them are upset that Creepy Jizz Flinger Richard Carrier is attending? Seems Myers and co are not too concerned about his rapey behaviour.

Prediction: Carrier is going to go full Youtube shitlord soon. He'll fail at that, too.

[MacGruberKnows]

Interesting how it's gone from 'rapists, rapists everywhere' to 'nazi's, nazi's everywhere'. Maybe the SJW crowd has done some test polling.

[Shatterface]

France is in mourning. Jerry Lewis dead at 91. No one else cares.

Two reasons to care: King of Comedy and Funny Bones.

[Kirbmarc]

Interesting how it's gone from 'rapists, rapists everywhere' to 'nazi's, nazi's everywhere'. Maybe the SJW crowd has done some test polling.

I wonder how you up the ante from that. "Elder gods, elder gods everywhere?"

[deLurch]

It doesn't help that real white identitarians crawled out of the woodwork and one killed and maimed many people. That nazi shit would have blown over rather quickly.

[Bhurzum]

I wonder how you up the ante from that. "Elder gods, elder gods everywhere?"

Azathoth Hitler.

Literally.

[Kirbmarc]

It doesn't help that real white identitarians crawled out of the woodwork and one killed and maimed many people. That nazi shit would have blown over rather quickly.

White identitarians have jumped on the bandwagon of criticism of the SocJus by proposing white identity politics as a remedy to the ideological identitarianism of the left. The two groups have made each other stronger.

Richard Spencer was only a random "fashy-chic" idiot before he got punched, now thanks to the fame he received he's able to be seen as a thought leader in the far-right circles.

Conversely the Nazis at Charlottesville have legitimized all of Antifa (including the commies and anarcho-commies) in the eyes of many saner leftists and moderates.

The same thing is true for Trump. He exploited dissatisfaction for the SocJus in order to win, and now thanks to his incompetence, strings of bad decisions and inability to efficiently set himself apart from the Nazis he has legitimized the SocJus in the eyes of many of his critics.

I think that we're going to see a lot of both groups in the next years.

[Kirbmarc]

I wonder how you up the ante from that. "Elder gods, elder gods everywhere?"

Azathoth Hitler.

Literally.

http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/ste ... 9_full.jpg

[MarcusAu]

France is in mourning. Jerry Lewis dead at 91. No one else cares.

Two reasons to care: King of Comedy and Funny Bones.

And a third:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHsQQ01VwAASMZz.jpg

[Guest_936d3dec]

Time for 4chan to create a nazi raping superhero.

[SM1957]

Charlottesville was the epicentre of the rapists everywhere story in Rolling Stone. Now it is the centre of the fascists everywhere story. What a strange coincidence.

[Brive1987]

Missing British boy, 7, confirmed dead following Barcelona attacks

https://www.metro.co.uk/2017/08/20/miss ... 65004/amp/

He has suffered enough. We have taken ownership of him. Brit no more.

Australian boy Julian Cadman killed in Barcelona attack, family and Spanish officials confirm

http://www.smh.com.au/world/australian- ... y0ehc.html

[gurugeorge]

It doesn't help that real white identitarians crawled out of the woodwork and one killed and maimed many people. That nazi shit would have blown over rather quickly.

I think that we're going to see a lot of both groups in the next years.

It's going to get worse before it gets better, but I agree with people like Styxhexenhammer666 and Scott Adams, it's more like mass hysteria or moral panic (like the Satanic panic of the 1980s) than a revolutionary zeigeist, I think it will blow over in a few months (though that's not to say more people won't be injured, sadly that probably will happen).

For it to be a sustained and actually dangerous thing like in the 1930s and 1940s, you'd have to have much worse material conditions, and much weaker and/or oppressive government. None of the people involved are actually starving or being oppressed, and with Trump in the Oval Office none of the revolutionaries are close enough to power to grab it (the weak government case), so there's nothing to sustain revolutionary fervour for the a decent amount of time. It's worked-up hysteria, and that can't last.

As it is, most ordinary people will wish a plague on both their houses and be pulled more towards the center, and those who positioned themselves as extremists during the moral panic in order to get popularity, will find themselves high and dry.

[Brive1987]

PZ in full edge-lord mode:

That’s it. That’s the whole movie. Two hundred million dollars worth of marzipan and food coloring. Skip it. Watch the psychedelic wormhole sequence from 2001: A Space Odyssey again, it’s about as flashy and will leave you no less confused.

Which makes me think…maybe Valerian would have been more entertaining if I’d been high on ‘shrooms while watching it.

Or maybe not:

http://i.imgur.com/tSSyLOv.jpg

[Guest_936d3dec]

Scratch a male feminist find a misogynist, Joss Whedon edition

Via Ghazi

thewrap com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/

Joss Whedon Is a ‘Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals,’ Ex-Wife Kai Cole Says (Guest Blog)

“He used his relationship with me as a shield … so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist,” she writes

I’ve been asked some questions by the press recently about my divorce from Joss Whedon, to whom I was married for 16 years. There is misinformation out there and I feel the best way to clear up the situation is to tell my truth. Let me begin by saying I am a very private person and the act of writing this is antithetical to who I am and everything I stand for. Yet, at the same time, I feel compelled to go on the record and clear up some misperceptions. I don’t think it is fair to me or other women to remain silent any longer.

...

I was with him when his “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” script was adapted, and the resulting movie released. It was painful to see how his vision was interpreted by the production team and on our honeymoon to England in 1995, I urged him to figure out how to turn it into a TV show. He didn’t want to work in television anymore, following in his father’s and grandfather’s footsteps, but I convinced him it was the fastest way to get the experience he needed, so he could direct his own films someday. I had no idea, in that lovely garden in Bath, that it would change everything.

There were times in our relationship that I was uncomfortable with the attention Joss paid other women. He always had a lot of female friends, but he told me it was because his mother raised him as a feminist, so he just liked women better. He said he admired and respected females, he didn’t lust after them. I believed him and trusted him. On the set of “Buffy,” Joss decided to have his first secret affair.

Fifteen years later, when he was done with our marriage and finally ready to tell the truth, he wrote me, “When I was running ‘Buffy,’ I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive young women. It felt like I had a disease, like something from a Greek myth. Suddenly I am a powerful producer and the world is laid out at my feet and I can’t touch it.” But he did touch it. He said he understood, “I would have to lie — or conceal some part of the truth — for the rest of my life,” but he did it anyway, hoping that first affair, “would be ENOUGH, that THEN we could move on and outlast it.”

Joss admitted that for the next decade and a half, he hid multiple affairs and a number of inappropriate emotional ones that he had with his actresses, co-workers, fans and friends, while he stayed married to me. He wrote me a letter when our marriage was falling apart, but I still didn’t know the whole truth, and said, “I’ve never loved anyone or wanted to be with anyone in any real or long-term way except for you ever. And I love our life. I love how you are, how we are, who you are and what we’ve done both separately and together, how much fun we have…” He wanted it all; he didn’t want to choose, so he accepted the duality as a part of his life.

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Despite understanding, on some level, that what he was doing was wrong, he never conceded the hypocrisy of being out in the world preaching feminist ideals, while at the same time, taking away my right to make choices for my life and my body based on the truth. He deceived me for 15 years, so he could have everything he wanted. I believed, everyone believed, that he was one of the good guys, committed to fighting for women’s rights, committed to our marriage, and to the women he worked with. But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist.

I thought we were a couple, a team. I was a powerful influence on the career choices Joss made during the 20 years we were together (we lived together for four years before marrying). I kept him grounded, and helped him find the quickest way to the success he so deeply craved. I loved him. And in return, he lied to me. A lot. He said, after he left, he understood: “It’s not just like I killed you, but that I’d done it subtly, over years. That I’d been poisoning you. Chipping away at you.” He made me doubt my own instincts and watched me move further away from my personal values and social mores, trying to connect with him, never telling me it was impossible. By the time he finally confessed the truth, 15 years after his first affair on the set of “Buffy,” I was broken. My brain could not fit my experience of our life together, through the new lens of his deceit.

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Until recently, Joss was still letting the illusion of our marriage stay intact. Now that it is finally public, I want to let women know that he is not who he pretends to be. I want the people who worship him to know he is human, and the organizations giving him awards for his feminist work, to think twice in the future about honoring a man who does not practice what he preaches. But no matter what happens, or how people interpret this statement, I no longer have to carry the burden of Joss’ long-term deceit and confessions. I am free.

Editor’s Note: A spokesperson for Joss Whedon provided the following response, “While this account includes inaccuracies and misrepresentations which can be harmful to their family, Joss is not commenting, out of concern for his children and out of respect for his ex-wife.”

[Really?]

Ha! Joss Whedon is essentially Dr. Semenface, except Whedon could support himself financially and does something people actually care about!

[Kirbmarc]

For it to be a sustained and actually dangerous thing like in the 1930s and 1940s, you'd have to have much worse material conditions, and much weaker and/or oppressive government. None of the people involved are actually starving or being oppressed, and with Trump in the Oval Office none of the revolutionaries are close enough to power to grab it (the weak government case), so there's nothing to sustain revolutionary fervour for the a decent amount of time. It's worked-up hysteria, and that can't last.

As it is, most ordinary people will wish a plague on both their houses and be pulled more towards the center, and those who positioned themselves as extremists during the moral panic in order to get popularity, will find themselves high and dry.

I don't think that the US in 2017 are even remotely close to the Republic of Weimar. The Nazis are reviled by pretty much the entire political arc, and even the "we defend western culture" alt-righters within Trump's administration are losing their jobs. Trump's administration is a shitshow but it won't lead to a dictatorship.

Similarly the Anarcho-Communist/Comunist types are enjoying their moment of glory by opposing the Nazis (everyone looks good when fighting Nazis!) but since they're also the kind of people who burn American flags or write things like "liberals get the bullet, too" they should savor the taste of "mainstream" support for as long as it lasts.

I'm not even remotely worried about a Nazi takeover of the states or a Communist/Anarcho-Communist revolution.

However I'm not as optimistic as you are, and I don't think that this is going to end well with people moving a little more to the center.

I worry that the political discourse is going to be polluted by the idiocy of the Nazis&white identitarians on one side and those of the SJWs and the anarcho-commies on the other, and that this will lead people to polarize more and more, so that the last shreds of political cooperation and bipartisan consensus will be eroded.

I'm worried that what's happening now will become the status quo: all left-wing people will be called communists while anyone even slightly right of center, or simply critical of the SocJus will be called a Nazi.

I think that this will go on and on for a while, that we'll be bombarded by articles after articles about how everything is a secret Nazi or Commie code or plan, to the point that the political conversation is going to completely degenerate and cause more and more people to be disgusted by politics, leaving more room for the insane fringes to push not a revolution, but some limited but insane agendas.

I worry about things like the widespread use of doxxing and firing people for political attitudes at every level (corporations, institutions, etc.). I worry about the solidification of echo-chambers into prisons for the mind, with politics becoming more and more like a religion. I worry about the Culture War becoming the only argument discussed in any discussion about politics or society. I worry about the apathy of the majority while crazy assholes do more and more stupid shit.

The risk isn't a Nazi or Commie dictatorship, but it's the weakening of the democratic system to the point that only extremists bother to vote, and since they're extremely gullible (like all people who blindly believe in something) that various corporate lobbies will manipulate their easy outrage for their goals.

I worry about a stasis, about an oligarchy of rich and powerful information providers who feed bullshit and the outrage du jour to the masses of keyboard warriors of all sides of the aisle. I worry that the US (and the rest of the "west") will stagnate and never innovate, and that all the more pressing issues (immigration, integration, global warming, geopolitical concerns, etc.) will disappear from the political discourse, substituted by endless rants about how vile the other side is.

To put it bluntly, I worry about Idiocracy, which seems our present and likely our future, too. Bring on the Brawndo to irrigate the fields.