In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

[Shatterface]

Ha ha ha. Even though I graduated high school, my parents are heterosexual, still alive, and still married, and I've never been called a dyke or a fag (two separate questions, mull over that for a moment), it's official*:

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* h/t the Buzzfeed Institute of Higher Social Sciences Research.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/how-pr ... .qmmwED2Do

Every answer scores the same so having someone touch your hair is just the same as being raped or your parents dying.

[Sunder]

Unsurprisingly it's got a bit of that tinny harpsichord quality.

[jimhabegger]

"woman: human female (produces ova)"

Steersman, it seems more likely to me that the original definition of "woman" was "person constructed for bearing children," determined in practice by looking between the legs of a child at birth. Your definition might be an equivalent of that, but I don't see any benefit for anyone in defining it that way. Do you?

[free thoughtpolice]

Unsurprisingly it's got a bit of that tinny harpsichord quality.

I wonder if it allows you to control volume or if the string is plucked with the same force regardless of how hard the button is tapped.
It looks like it would make it easier to play tremolo but one wouldn't really know until you tried it out. Add that to how much it would damage the guitar when you install it, ease of removal I don't think I'll rush out to get one.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Hopper also helped popularised the term "de-bugging" that we still use on computers programmes today, after a moth was removed from inside her machine.

If that story were about Ophelia Benson, I might believe it.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

The only town with public transportation is more than 50 miles away, so no, I don't rely on it. ignoring the shit that doesn't apply, I rate as Under Privileged.

Fucking anti hayseedists.

I rely on an '88 Chevy Silverado with a bent driver door. Fuck you, you privileged subway-using urbanites!

I'll see your 88 Chevy and raise you an 83 Ford E150 van.
And, I have had a stranger want to touch my hair, course she really wanted to fuck me so I'm not sure if that counts.

In elementary school My black classmate and I touched each other's hair because we both thought the other's 'd be wiry. Guess that only counts for half.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I'll see your 88 Chevy and raise you an 83 Ford E150 van.

We should drag race.

[screwtape]

A new toy for only $70? I would think if they are any good they should be in music stores where you can try them out before purchase.

But where does your thumb go?

Nevermind me; I'm feeling pleased at finally understanding the origin of a humbucker.

[free thoughtpolice]

Smoke on the Water at 4:00 :drool:

[Sunder]

Unsurprisingly it's got a bit of that tinny harpsichord quality.

I wonder if it allows you to control volume or if the string is plucked with the same force regardless of how hard the button is tapped.
It looks like it would make it easier to play tremolo but one wouldn't really know until you tried it out. Add that to how much it would damage the guitar when you install it, ease of removal I don't think I'll rush out to get one.

Depends if you're rich and white enough to afford a second, dedicated, guitarpsichord or not.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Hopper also helped popularised the term "de-bugging" that we still use on computers programmes today, after a moth was removed from inside her machine.

If that story were about Ophelia Benson, I might believe it.

:lol: :clap:

[InfraRedBucket]

while we're on the subject of uncommon instruments
Bowie via Gayageum

[Shatterface]

Cool instrument: the Cristal Baschet:

[free thoughtpolice]

Me primitive

[Mr. X, Indeed]

[John D]

[Shatterface]

Rolph Harris demonstrates the pedophone:



Cant place the narrator's voice.

[Fegg]

So did it give you a greater understanding / appreciation of the religious beliefs of the people involved?

Yes, at least a bit. Erasmus, while initially quite enthusiastic about Luther (as almost all humanists were in the early stages of the Reformation), became less comfortable supporting him at least partly because he became very uncomfortable with Luther's strong Augustinianism.

Or did there seem to be entirely non-religious reasons for their behaviour?

In the early phase (1517-21, 95 theses to Worms) practically all the motivation of pro-reformation people was religious, while the anti-reformation people were mostly motivated to try to maintain the system to their benefit.

Later on, a large part of the opposition to the reformation was religious, sometimes doctrinal, but often because they found that ceremony and feel of the Roman church did something for them that they felt was important. At the same time support for the reformation often became a partly political decision for rulers.

B.

[Suet Cardigan]

Ghana import 30 million condoms but dem no use am

Can't work out what this bit means:

Mr Adjei talk say dis one go scatter all di things wey di country don plan to make sure say people no spread di disease and cases of new HIV no go dey again.

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-41035571

[Steersman]

Steers. I'm not playing, 'cos it's fucken dumb.

The FOES list is your friend and will reduce your stress level ;)

Naw, I don't mind Steers. I foe few.

Fee-fi-fo-fum? :-) Thanks rayshul. Others might consider taking a page from your "play book" instead of sticking their heads in the sand at the first sign of a "discouraging word".

[MacGruberKnows]

Ghana import 30 million condoms but dem no use am

Can't work out what this bit means:

Mr Adjei talk say dis one go scatter all di things wey di country don plan to make sure say people no spread di disease and cases of new HIV no go dey again.

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-41035571

Saw this on Reddit:

Socialism/communism does not elevate the lowest, it lowers the highest so that the lowest do not feel inferior anymore.

About right. It was a privilege to bring this to you.

I apologize for my privilege.

And I apologize for my proper grammar and the lack of pidginese.

God I'm an awful person.

[Steersman]

"woman: human female (produces ova)"

Steersman, it seems more likely to me that the original definition of "woman" was "person constructed for bearing children," determined in practice by looking between the legs of a child at birth. Your definition might be an equivalent of that, but I don't see any benefit for anyone in defining it that way. Do you?

No doubt the ability to "bear offspring" is part of some definitions, although not all, and it seems secondary to the primary one of "produces ova". But did you bother at all to read any of the links I provided? Here they are again:

Particularly in the face of most definitions that are provided in various dictionaries and encylopaedias, medical and otherwise.

Those are the standard definitions, and they were selected for some quite good reasons. You might get your nose out of the Quran, and read something with substantially more sense. Like these articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_(biology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamete

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Rolph Harris demonstrates the pedophone.

That was featured on Jimmy Savile's show, amirite?

[Shatterface]

Rolph Harris demonstrates the pedophone.

That was featured on Jimmy Savile's show, amirite?

It's Savile narrating. I can't believe the first line is 'Now then, now then, Rolf Harris and the Young Generation were big time Saturday entertainment.' That's wrong on so many levels.

[jimhabegger]

Those are the standard definitions, and they were selected for some quite good reasons.

I agree. I didn't think my question through enough, before I asked. I remember you promoting that definition in the context of discussions about trans women and bathrooms, and I don't see how that can be helpful in that context.

[Old_ones]

And a brilliant, point-by-point takedown of that nut job, Foxgloves', nonsense:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/transparen ... 3500154848

I'd never have the spoons to sift through al that nonsense.

I only remember running across igotbanned once before, about a month and a half ago, when Pat was suffering from an infestation of Richard Sanderson and Matt Cavanaugh. They were going on about the alleged psychological damage that Zinnia Jones and Riley Dennis had inflicted on cishet males by suggesting that, maybe, they should at least be open to having intimate relations with trans women. Naturally, at first, Sanderson and Cavanaugh just made the accusations without citing where these evils were visited on the poor cishets. (Predictably, when the citations were pried out of them, it turned out that Zinnia had had a playful exchange with a cishet male about how he might get to like sex with a trans woman and Riley had posted a slightly loopy video where she went a little far by suggesting that a preference not to have sex with a trans woman was, in and of itself, prejudice.)

Only slightly and a little too far. No biggie. But I bet that Pieret would agree that when a Christian says that a preference to have sex with trans women is a sin and makes you morally inferior they're being bigoted.

"It's OK When We Do It" is strong among people commenting there.

I'm beginning to think that the identity politics crowd doesn't have any general principles other than marginal = good; privilege = bad. You would think that people who are so emphatic about the need for consent and so sensitive about unwanted advances would strongly uphold the right of a person to determine who they are and aren't willing to have intimate contact with. But no. Apparently the right to say "no" to an advance is all relative to the identities of the people involved. If you are a woman you can refuse the advances of a man. But if you are a cis man, you'd better not refuse a trans woman, because privilege or something. Apparently trans folks are so oppressed that cis folks owe them an intimate relationship regardless of their own preferences. Sexual harassment is unwanted advances plus power!

[MacGruberKnows]

Rolph Harris demonstrates the pedophone.

That was featured on Jimmy Savile's show, amirite?

It's Savile narrating. I can't believe the first line is 'Now then, now then, Rolf Harris and the Young Generation were big time Saturday entertainment.' That's wrong on so many levels.

Rolf saying 'the electronic pocket organ' is a few more levels of wrong.

[jimhabegger]

Steersman, it's coming back to me now. I think we were agreeing that some meanings of "woman" are derived from others, and that there might be some value in considering which meaning all the others might be derived from. I was thinking that the childbearing definition would have preceded the ova one, but now I'm reconsidering. People might have always imagined children starting out in the form of some kind of egg inside the mother.

[Kirbmarc]

I'm beginning to think that the identity politics crowd doesn't have any general principles other than marginal = good; privilege = bad. You would think that people who are so emphatic about the need for consent and so sensitive about unwanted advances would strongly uphold the right of a person to determine who they are and aren't willing to have intimate contact with. But no. Apparently the right to say "no" to an advance is all relative to the identities of the people involved. If you are a woman you can refuse the advances of a man. But if you are a cis man, you'd better not refuse a trans woman, because privilege or something. Apparently trans folks are so oppressed that cis folks owe them an intimate relationship regardless of their own preferences. Sexual harassment is unwanted advances plus power!

The argument usually goes this way: "I'm marginal, I'm oppressed, I'm not considered human, so I can do whatever I want, and if you criticize me you're being a bigot and contributing to the system which kills and oppresses my people".

This is why Dick Carrier tried so hard to get "polyamory" to be recognized as a marginalized identity oppressed by the Patriarchy. If he succeeded he would have the perfect excuse to any accusation of sexual wrongdoing (from cheating to advances in a professional setting). He failed because he forgot that he's still a cis hetero white male. Compare and contrast Zoe Quinn: cheating on her boyfriend and lying about it was no big deal and thanks to some online trolling now she's a martyr of feminism and shielded from any sort of criticism.

Carrier should have come out as a trans woman and claimed that he was still attracted only to women, then he would have been allowed to stick his "girlcock" wherever he wanted to.

[feathers]

"woman: human female (produces ova)"

Steersman, it seems more likely to me that the original definition of "woman" was "person constructed for bearing children," determined in practice by looking between the legs of a child at birth. Your definition might be an equivalent of that, but I don't see any benefit for anyone in defining it that way. Do you?

Oh look, jimhabegger is starting a discussion with Steersman on the definition of 'woman'. This could be interesting, because we've never had such a discussion fill fifty percent of a thread before!




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[Steersman]

Steersman, it's coming back to me now. I think we were agreeing that some meanings of "woman" are derived from others, and that there might be some value in considering which meaning all the others might be derived from. I was thinking that the childbearing definition would have preceded the ova one, but now I'm reconsidering. People might have always imagined children starting out in the form of some kind of egg inside the mother.

You might actually try reading the links first instead of just shooting from the lip - kind of a waste of time to provide them otherwise. Though maybe too much reading the Quran has precluded much in the way of actual thinking for you.

But to spoon feed you bit, the point of the taxonomy link is that "defining and naming groups of biological organisms on the basis of shared characteristics" looks to be precisely what the definition for "woman" - and "female" - is based on, i.e., the ability to produce ova is the "shared characteristic" that is shared by the largest group of people, at least from the perspective of reproduction.

And relative to your earlier:

I remember you promoting that definition in the context of discussions about trans women and bathrooms, and I don't see how that can be helpful in that context.

The point is that a rather large percentage of transactivists insist that transwomen are not just women but female to boot - crazier that shit-house rats, mostly in any case. You might read, though I somehow doubt you will, this article by the infamous Zinnia Jones - he being one of the more deluded in insisting "trans women are female" - and this one titled The Trans Women Who Say That Trans Women Aren’t Women which suggests that, fortunately, not all transactivists are quite as deluded as Jones is.

Now some have suggested that I - and maybe others - are simply "mean-spirited" to be criticizing that transactivist position but not doing so rather clearly leads to no end of quite problematic if not sticky consequences. For instances, there's Riley Dennis' insistence that "some women have penises" [@ 1:02] - no, they fucking don't; some female impersonators do, but no actual women do - and there's the tendency of that demented ideology to destroy lives through surgical or hormonal transition, particularly of children. Not drawing a line in the sand - i.e., the standard scientific and lexocological definitions for "woman" (human female - produces ova) - simply opens the doors to rather thuggish if not demented ideologues like Jones and Dennis riding roughshod over science, reason, language, logic, and compassion.

Really a rather bad idea to be pandering to the delusional - of all stripes.

[Steersman]

"woman: human female (produces ova)"

Steersman, it seems more likely to me that the original definition of "woman" was "person constructed for bearing children," determined in practice by looking between the legs of a child at birth. Your definition might be an equivalent of that, but I don't see any benefit for anyone in defining it that way. Do you?

Oh look, jimhabegger is starting a discussion with Steersman on the definition of 'woman'. This could be interesting, because we've never had such a discussion fill fifty percent of a thread before!

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Now, now. Be fair - it was only ever 30%, if that. ;)

But, who knows, maybe there might be some new information on the table - Dennis' YouTube video, for example - that might yet bring the lost into the fold of Christendom persuade others that "female = produces ova" is the only bulwark that will stand against the depredations of the more demented in the transactivist mob - so to speak.

[rayshul]

On the privilege checker I got 89/100, making me THE MOST PRIVILEGED.

[MacGruberKnows]

"woman: human female (produces ova)"

Women produce ova? WTH are you talking about? Women do not produce ova. They are born with all the eggs they will ever use. They do not produce ova. Apparently women stop being women at some point in the fetal stage. Steersman Logic 101. If you are fucking women, by your definition, you are fucking them in their fetal stage.

[rayshul]

EVACUATE THREAD EVACUATE THREAD RED ALERT EVACUATE THREAD

[Steersman]

EVACUATE THREAD EVACUATE THREAD RED ALERT EVACUATE THREAD

"Dive! Dive!" ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVBPGZEVRH0

[Steersman]

"woman: human female (produces ova)"

Women produce ova? WTH are you talking about? Women do not produce ova. They are born with all the eggs they will ever use. They do not produce ova. Apparently women stop being women at some point in the fetal stage. Steersman Logic 101. If you are fucking women, by your definition, you are fucking them in their fetal stage.

You too might actually try reading the links. For instance, these definitions of woman and female:

woman: 1 An adult human female.
female: 1 Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.

And most dictionaries and encyclopaedias start off with those same definitions - 'rots of 'ruck trying to get them to change those entries.

But you might also note one fairly common definition for and usage of produce:

produce: 3 Show or provide (something) for consideration, inspection, or use.

While you're quite correct that women are "born with all the eggs they will ever use", it seems clear that they're not "provided for ... use" - i.e., conception - until ovulation. Expect it's that sense that the dictionary writers had in mind, but you're welcome to challenge that too.

[MarcusAu]

So did it give you a greater understanding / appreciation of the religious beliefs of the people involved?

Yes, at least a bit. Erasmus, while initially quite enthusiastic about Luther (as almost all humanists were in the early stages of the Reformation), became less comfortable supporting him at least partly because he became very uncomfortable with Luther's strong Augustinianism.

Or did there seem to be entirely non-religious reasons for their behaviour?

In the early phase (1517-21, 95 theses to Worms) practically all the motivation of pro-reformation people was religious, while the anti-reformation people were mostly motivated to try to maintain the system to their benefit.

Later on, a large part of the opposition to the reformation was religious, sometimes doctrinal, but often because they found that ceremony and feel of the Roman church did something for them that they felt was important. At the same time support for the reformation often became a partly political decision for rulers.

B.

I guess what I am edging towards saying is that when teaching history (or science for that matter) - it eventually boils down to a question of "How do you know that?" or "What evidence is there to support this theory?".

Religion in history (or the history of religion) is kinda / sorta put in it's own (specially pleaded) category. It soon becomes clear that certain questions either should not be raised, or that the answers to them are not called to meet the same standards that would pass muster in other areas.

[shoutinghorse]

:shock:

[MarcusAu]

Dawkins has a lot to answer for.

[MarcusAu]

For everybody that has a life - here's a catch-up on what's been happening lately:

[MarcusAu]

Will no one spare a thought for the true victims:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... rk-1033435

[BoxNDox]

BBC story about 9 thing invented by women:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-40923649

Apparently Grace Hopper invented software. :think: :think:

Also, they need a good copy editor:

Hopper also helped popularised the term "de-bugging" that we still use on computers programmes today, after a moth was removed from inside her machine.

Her being "behind the compiler" would be news to Alick Glennie.

Donald Knuth was complaining recently about how historians don't know enough about the technology to get the history of computing right. He would absolutely love this. (On a side note, anyone interested in sat-solvers needs to get a copy of fascicle 6 of TAOCP. Wonderful treatment.)

At least the article doesn't credit Shirley Ann Jackson with inventing the touch tone phone, which a lot of sites do. It was actually invented by Leo Schenker around 1960, using circuits originally designed by Meacham, West, and a few others back in the 40s. Jackson didn't start at MIT until 1964.

So... progress?

[BoxNDox]

[Hunt]

BBC story about 9 thing invented by women:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-40923649

Apparently Grace Hopper invented software. :think: :think:

Also, they need a good copy editor:

Hopper also helped popularised the term "de-bugging" that we still use on computers programmes today, after a moth was removed from inside her machine.

Her being "behind the compiler" would be news to Alick Glennie.

Donald Knuth was complaining recently about how historians don't know enough about the technology to get the history of computing right. He would absolutely love this. (On a side note, anyone interested in sat-solvers needs to get a copy of fascicle 6 of TAOCP. Wonderful treatment.)

At least the article doesn't credit Shirley Ann Jackson with inventing the touch tone phone, which a lot of sites do. It was actually invented by Leo Schenker around 1960, using circuits originally designed by Meacham, West, and a few others back in the 40s. Jackson didn't start at MIT until 1964.

So... progress?

That women invented computer programming is rapidly becoming as mythically entrenched as the gender pay gap. You might as well give it to the SocJus, because no amount of argument is going to convince them otherwise, and it doesn't really matter anyway.

Here's a link I got from none other than Vox Day (I like to peruse the hard right and hard left with my morning coffee). Basically, it attests that all the talk about STEM antagonism to women is actually exacerbating the STEM gap, which I don't doubt. If you hammer it non-stop how unwelcome women are in STEM, can you really expect there to be no impact on female STEM enrollment? Personally, when I used to work in STEM, I saw men falling over themselves to help their few women coworkers. Not saying it doesn't exist; I just didn't see the scheming, resentful men, plotting the demise of their women colleagues. It would be ironic indeed if feminism is actually hindering women in STEM, not helping them.

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9686

[deLurch]

For everybody that has a life - here's a catch-up on what's been happening lately:

I,Hypocrite seems to put together interesting week summaries. Not bad. Entertaining, but not to heavy on the outrage juice.

[shoutinghorse]

:lol:

[MarcusAu]

No offense - but she is starting to look like a pantomime horse.

[jimhabegger]

On the privilege checker I got 89/100, making me THE MOST PRIVILEGED.

So! I knew it all the time!

[jimhabegger]

Now some have suggested that I - and maybe others - are simply "mean-spirited" to be criticizing that transactivist position but not doing so rather clearly leads to no end of quite problematic if not sticky consequences.

I'm not disagreeing about the problems. I'm disagreeing about possible solutions. Trying to impose one particular definition of a word on other people, besides being an exercise in futility, doesn't look to me like a solution to any of the problems. Even if you could convince people to confine themselves to that definition, I don't think that would do anything to improve their behavior. I think they would just find new excuses and camouflage for it.

Besides that, I don't think that any kind of reasoning at all, can do anything to reduce the harmful behavior in the name of social justice, or of any other ideology, except possibly within our own circles of influence, if we have any.

[Sunder]

Personally, when I used to work in STEM, I saw men falling over themselves to help their few women coworkers. Not saying it doesn't exist; I just didn't see the scheming, resentful men, plotting the demise of their women colleagues.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, STEM careers can be very time-consuming and not leave a lot of time for socializing outside of work. Why would anyone think men in STEM would be incentivized to greatly reduce their own dating/marriage/sexual prospects by chasing out all the women?

Feminists really have a Saturday morning cartoon villain conception of men, where apparently the malevolent cackling glee of spurning the wimmenz is all they need to feel completely fulfilled in life.

[shoutinghorse]

No offense - but she is starting to look like a pantomime horse.

Which end?

[John D]

I started following Redpillblack. She has had a bunch of her content banned. I suspect she was targeted by SJWs and Youtube...etc... just took her stuff down. There is certainly a media run war going on.

[Tigzy]

Rolph Harris demonstrates the pedophone.

That was featured on Jimmy Savile's show, amirite?

It's Savile narrating. I can't believe the first line is 'Now then, now then, Rolf Harris and the Young Generation were big time Saturday entertainment.' That's wrong on so many levels.

Not as wrong on so many levels as this, I'd wager:

https://i.imgur.com/ws04Ckl.jpg

It's the kind of thing that makes you wonder that if there's a god, he's most probably the devil.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Rolph Harris demonstrates the pedophone.

That was featured on Jimmy Savile's show, amirite?

It's Savile narrating. I can't believe the first line is 'Now then, now then, Rolf Harris and the Young Generation were big time Saturday entertainment.' That's wrong on so many levels.

I was making a joke, based on the name: pedophone.

[jimhabegger]

I started following Redpillblack.

Candace Owens! Yay1 I wondered what happened to her. She shook up one of the counterfeit feminism circles, in gaming journalism, and she was big news in Gamergate forums for a while. She thought she was going to bring down the whole counterfeit social justice industry, with her exposés and her doxxing database, and she was posting nonstop on Twitter, then suddenly she disappeared entirely from the Internet. As much as I disagree with her methods, and as cynical as I am about her motives, I'm glad to see her back in action.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

On the privilege checker I got 89/100, making me THE MOST PRIVILEGED.

And that's even without the test including a question about owning a perfect vagina.

[MarcusAu]

On the privilege checker I got 89/100, making me THE MOST PRIVILEGED.

And that's even without the test including a question about owning a perfect vagina.

Unfortunately I don't qualify either - just not cut out for it, I suppose.

[HelpingHand]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/ ... index.html

Bernie's fault. Misogynists' fault. Bernie Bros' fault. Obama limited me.

It is the terrible and awesome thing about the SJWs and their friend's in the left -- the utter inability to rationally look at why they fail and make adjustments. Fuck. I don't want a right wing dominated US government, but unless the left buy a clue....

Oh, and fuck the air in Portland. I live west of the metroplex and have ash falling on my property from the fires east of the metroplex. The Columbia River Gorge is getting charred.

[Lsuoma]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/ ... index.html

Bernie's fault. Misogynists' fault. Bernie Bros' fault. Obama limited me.

It is the terrible and awesome thing about the SJWs and their friend's in the left -- the utter inability to rationally look at why they fail and make adjustments. Fuck. I don't want a right wing dominated US government, but unless the left buy a clue....

Oh, and fuck the air in Portland. I live west of the metroplex and have ash falling on my property from the fires east of the metroplex. The Columbia River Gorge is getting charred.

Yep, we have the ash in Seattle/Redmond too. My wife tells me it not quite so bad as May 1980, though.

And yes, the SJWs are going to continue to lose. Hilary is a stupid cow if she thinks Bernie did her in. The DNC F'd him in the A good and hard. Hitlary is just trying to pimp her book, though.