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Brive1987 wrote: There isn’t a simple single solution to rebuilding a culturally intact state.

However immigration, integration and economic strength aren’t exclusive concepts. Why Switzerland is one of Europe’s strongest ethnostates despite matching Australia for 30% foreign born population. Wow. All they did was make sure the vast majority of migrants were culturally aligned and then they apparently subject them to North Korea level integration sessions.
Hyperbole. All that is asked is to respect a list of shared rules without "muh culture" or "muh religion" exceptions, learn the local langauge(s) (and this is where people who already know the language get a head-start), and to become involved in the local life (making friends who can vouch for you, being part of local groups, participate in local politics, all in a productive fashion) if you want to become a citizen. Equal rules and equal standards for all. Honkey Americans who have had permanent residence in Switzerland for 40 years but haven't even bothered to learn the names of the villages which surround their place of residence get rejected, too.

The weaknesses of Anglo nations are double standards, special concessions, relaxing rules for a group because of some reason. In the UK, for example, this means publicly recognized religious courts (an insane idea, which goes against the principle that the law should be equal for everyone). I don't know enough about Australia, but it's possible that there are similar loopholes against common, shared rules because of the old "it's against my religion/culture" excuse.
Switzerland has also led the game narrowly voting in a couple of nifty initiatives.

In February 2014, the federal popular initiative "against mass immigration" was accepted. The referendum aimed to reduce immigration through quotas and limits the freedom of movement between Switzerland and the European Union.

In November 2010, the people's initiative for the deportation of criminal foreigners was adopted. Following the approval of the proposal, foreigners convicted of certain offenses or who were paid illegally social insurance benefits or social assistance lose the right of residence and are expelled from Switzerland.
And nobody accused Switzerland of being a fascist ethnostate for that reason. Well, nobody influential at least. So what's stopping Australia from changing its immigration rules? You don't even have any deals with the EU.
Note, these initiatives haven’t stopped Switzerland from belonging to the Wetsern Liberal Democracy club. In fact I’m not aware of a single UN resolution condemning the place for casual racism.
Because honkey foreign criminals get the boot, too. Because those rules aren't based on race.
For Australia a couple of bloody obvious options would be:

Develop a standard of living strategy that doesn’t involve a never ending stuffing of people into Melbourne and Sydney to simply keep the fires burning.

Reduce immigration to 70K pa
Reintroduce cultural markers as primary criteria for applicants.
Reassert a nominal culturally based religion for swearing in, Christmas messages etc.
Cut funding to culturally unaligned institutions like Islamic schools
Rewrite the curriculum to positively reflect heritage, history and traditional institutions.
Massively improve baby incentives - tax cuts, bonus and child care subs
Have a one day of the year where alien cultures are recognised otherwise FiFo
Introduce civic service for civic benefits

Etc etc.
I think that the only proposals which look questionable in your list are "cultural markers" and a "cultural religion". But it depends on how they're implemented: if the "cultural markers" are more about fluency in English/degrees/qualifications, and the "cultural religion" is more about liberal democratic values (so treating all citizens respectfully, respecting rules of law, accepting secular separation of church and state, accepting freedom of speech without pandering to "offended feelings", etc) then the plan doesn't seem too bad.

"Equal rules for everyone with no exceptions" is the gold standard you should be promoting. The problem with "multiculturalism", loosely defined, is that it allows room for special concessions, exceptions, loopholes, etc. which undermine equality before the law. One example of this are "hate speech" laws, which are a loophole that (for example) muslim theocrats use to stifle criticism of islam. Another example is the idea that there's "no such thing as Australian/Swiss/Host Country culture" but that the cultures of immigrants are real and important. That's a double standard: either no culture is important or all cultures are. And so on, and so forth.

Integration is based on saying "those are the laws and principles of the land, everybody who lives here has to obey them or face consequences, and if you don't know how or why, we'll teach you". I don't see why "western" liberal democracies can't adhere to this principle and still be (by virtue of being liberal democracies) lightyears better than theocratic or authoritarian clusterfucks.

The problem is that for some people the idea of making everyone respect the same laws and principles is "oppressive" for some reason, mostly because they assume that some groups are Eternal Victims and can't be expected to follow a common set of rules. We see it on a small scale with third wave feminism, where "activists" whine that poor women are "oppressed" by being called sexy or attractive ("objectification!") but can call men hunks or nice pieces of meat with no repercussions whatsoever. That's a clear and obnoxious double standard, but when you say so you're accused of being "sexist", "misogynistic" or other slurs.

The notions of Eternal Victimhood and Eternal Guilt are a big obstacle to equal standards, because if someone is always a victim and someone else is always an oppressor then it's easy to argue that equal standards are actually a form of discrimination, and the Eternal Victims permanently need help to "catch up" in the forms of loopholes, special concessions, being treated with kid's gloves, being "protected" by "allies" and never being assumed to be personally responsible and able to make their own choices, etc.

You don't need an "ethnostate". You need to stop feeling guilty about enforcing the same rules for everyone. Another example, one that is very relevant to the nature of the Pit as a secularist/atheist board: secular groups should treat islam like they treat Christianity, with the same amount of criticism and mockery, instead of leaving islam alone because "it's the religion of brown people" (which isn't even true) or because "everyone on the Christian right already bashes muslims" (so what? offer better criticism, don't just chicken out for fear of being called a bigot).

Only IF the idea of equal rules for everyone is firmly ingrained in society you can face concrete issues about poverty, inequality of legal representation, police misconduct, lack of healthcare, etc. which are real and create practical inequalities which need to be addressed. But again, the focus should be on equal rights AND equal duties, with no catering to "offended" people and no special loopholes.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Sorry, this is too good to not share...if you don't laugh, you're already dead!

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Another example: Linda Sarsour. She said that the "Jewish media" made her unpopular, she is a fan of a known anti-semite (Louis Farrakhan), she praised countries which discriminate against Jews. In a normal world she'd be the last person that a leftist group interested in discussing anti-semitism would invite to lead a conference on anti-semitism, right next to Richard Spencer.

But because of the Oppression Olympics (read: Trump exists and has promoted a "muslim ban", and she's a proud hijabi) her flaws are ignored and she's sanctified. It's the Enemy of the Enemy meets Eternal Victimhood, and the result are blatant double standards.

Double standards are bad enough in society at large, but they're even worse for a movement whose declared aim is equality. If you claim to be fighting to protect people's equal rights and against bigotry, but then you give a pas to some people with shady alliances to specific flavors of bigotry because you only see them as victims you quickly become a laughingstock to anyone who's not 100% on board with you.

The same thing is true in the ideological discussion with the "alt-right". You need to argue against them from a basis of equal standards, pointing out the divisive nature of their ideas, not to "smash whiteness". Indeed every moron who writes articles on how to "heal from whiteness", "smash masculinity", or other things that would be called sexist or racist if they weren't about white males is FUELING the arguments of the "alt-right". Without equal standards (for example "all bigotry is a bad idea" or "we need to judge people from their character, not their race") your call for "equality" ring hollow and can easily backfire.

Before the growth of the SocJus only neo-Nazis had goofy, oddball ideas like "anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white" and most people laughed at them or ignored them. But after articles like "you need to heal from whiteness" or "X things that white people need to stop ruining" started to become prominent AND accepted by leftist/liberal circles as "anti-racism" the "alt-right" easily used them as "evidence" of some JewiZ ConZpiracy about "White Genocide".

Sometimes I think that some people WANT to fuel the "alt-right" paranoia and racial ideas, for whatever reasons (possibly to paint all critics of the SocJus as Nazis). This is highly irresponsible, though, and these people have no idea about the effects of what they're doing.

However the rational response to SocJus idiocy ISN'T to switch to the "alt-right", to encourage white identity politics as a response to SocJus identity politics. The rational response is to support equal rules, principles and standards, to disengage from the obsession with race and to focus more on other social factors, to promote equal rights AND equal duties, etc.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:45 pm
This. The biggest epistemological problem with the alt-right is the naturalistic fallacy ("since something is natural or a product of evolution then it's a moral good"). Tribalism, aggression, even the propensity for sexually aggressive behavior are "natural", in that they're tendencies which likely have an evolutionary origin. This doesn't make it morally acceptable to "crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women".
You are still barking up the wrong tree. Their argument isn't that they should have dominion over another tribe, it is that they should be separate.
Their argument isn't that tribalism is a moral good, but that it is an inevitable fact that needs to be dealt with -- and that multiculturalism is pretty unnatural and is proven to fail no matter how strong your argument that it is a moral good. You would very quickly find yourself on the defensive if you try this route.
If tribalism is an inevitable fact it doesn't need legal enforcement (the "ethno-state"). Average differences in height between men and women are a fact, we don't need a movement to kill tall women or exile them to "enforce" those differences, and nobody in the right mind would promote killing or exiling tall women.

The problem is all about legal enforcement. If people "naturally" form groups within a larger society which are all about the group then you don't need legal clout to expel some groups.

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Kirbmarc wrote: Sometimes I think that some people WANT to fuel the "alt-right" paranoia and racial ideas, for whatever reasons (possibly to paint all critics of the SocJus as Nazis). This is highly irresponsible, though, and these people have no idea about the effects of what they're doing.
Didn't one of the more prominent right-wing goons recently say the exact same thing? I think it might even have been that arse-cake David Duke.

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Bhurzum wrote: Didn't one of the more prominent right-wing goons recently say the exact same thing? I think it might even have been that arse-cake David Duke.
Edit: Obviously, Duke (if it was Duke who said it) didn't lament the irrespoinsible nature of the claim, instead he gleefully encouraged it. The more I think about it, the more I'm sure it was Duke who said it.

My memory is absolutely dire these days...fucking whisky and herbals are to blame.

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Bhurzum wrote:
Bhurzum wrote: Didn't one of the more prominent right-wing goons recently say the exact same thing? I think it might even have been that arse-cake David Duke.
Edit: Obviously, Duke (if it was Duke who said it) didn't lament the irrespoinsible nature of the claim, instead he gleefully encouraged it. The more I think about it, the more I'm sure it was Duke who said it.

My memory is absolutely dire these days...fucking whisky and herbals are to blame.
That's because David Duke IS a white supremacist. Of course he enjoys the spotlight and having more fans.

Tip: when you're making David Duke happy, you have failed your job at fighting racism, and you should reconsider your choices.

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However the rational response to SocJus idiocy ISN'T to switch to the "alt-right", to encourage white identity politics as a response to SocJus identity politics. The rational response is to support equal rules, principles and standards, to disengage from the obsession with race and to focus more on other social factors, to promote equal rights AND equal duties, etc.
Of course team socjus says those are alt-right tactics.

Meritocracy, color-blindness, free speech for everyone, all that rot is a tool of whiteness and means you are white supremacist.

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Kirbmarc wrote: Tip: when you're making David Duke happy, you have failed your job at fighting racism, and you should reconsider your choices.
Absolutely spot on.

Let the tiki-torch waving alt-right have their marches and protests, don't turn up to (counter)protest, don't act like a butt-hurt child, ignore the fuckers and obscurity will claim them soon enough. Just look at Robert Spencer - if it wasn't for that infamous punch, next to nobody would even know who the arsehole is.

It really annoys me when people give these pricks the attention they need to survive and spread. It's like the meat-space version of feeding the trolls.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:59 pm
You are still barking up the wrong tree. Their argument isn't that they should have dominion over another tribe, it is that they should be separate.
Given that these tribes are not separate, and in fact live in the same country (America), what is the outcome going to be? They are arguing for removing non-whites, not for creating a new country in an un-populated place. I don't think it's barking up the wrong tree to talk about the practical implementation of a set of ideas.

The argument of communism is that "people should share" but of course in the real world people don't want to do that so the communist state is immediately faced with the reality of enforcing it's principles -I don't see how bringing about an ethnostate in America would be any different.

Btw I agree with you regarding the whole "we" aspect, I'm not advocating for that. Simply thinking out loud about the ideas as best I understand them. I appreciate that it's a general movement and not a strict dogma so there are lots of views within it, and people are entitled to think whatever they want. However I do think that ideas are important and so is how they are communicated. Douglas Murray's The Strange Death of Europe covers a lot of the same talking points (especially concerning the impact of competing cultures as divided racially) but does so in a reasonable way not contingent on mystical whiteness or ignoring pragmatic reality.

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Guest_d2e60302 wrote:
However the rational response to SocJus idiocy ISN'T to switch to the "alt-right", to encourage white identity politics as a response to SocJus identity politics. The rational response is to support equal rules, principles and standards, to disengage from the obsession with race and to focus more on other social factors, to promote equal rights AND equal duties, etc.
Of course team socjus says those are alt-right tactics.

Meritocracy, color-blindness, free speech for everyone, all that rot is a tool of whiteness and means you are white supremacist.
And this is why they're feeding into the alt-right narrative. The fans of the ethno-state don't want color-blindness or meritocracy or human rights, this is bloody obvious to anyone whose's not a SocJus ideologue. Saying that equal standards are a tool of white supremacy is retarded.

The SocJus is all about shitting over the work of people who tried to build liberal, equal standards, all while claiming to be in favor of "equality". Instead of focusing on specific issues that hold back some groups from improving their living, or on violations of equal standards, or on lack of income and its consequences in a society which rewards the ultra-rich with tax cuts, the SocJus wants to tear everything down and replace it with a system that is biased in favor of other social groups.

Even worse is that for the SocJus it's all about social media call-outs, guilt and shame. Forget about figuring out WHY certain social groups are more affecting by certain issues, no, you just need to shame other social groups which aren't affected as much and everything will be peachy.

Forget about encouraging poor but talented people to succeed through grants, no, it's BEING TALENTED which is a problem. Forget about giving better legal representation to poor people, or access to better education and healthcare (equal standards), no, we need to tear down the justice system or the education system or medicine itself and replace them with a "woke" version. Forget about fighting the problem of police misconduct (violations of the rule of law/abuses of power) with sensible and thought-out police reforms, no, it's "fuck the pigs" and "we don't need police".

The SocJus wants to accomplish reforms not through confronting issues, understanding them, discussing them and figuring out what works, but through nagging long enough until someone gives them exactly what they want, consequences be damned.

They're completely useless at best and outright dangerous at worst.

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Bhurzum wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Tip: when you're making David Duke happy, you have failed your job at fighting racism, and you should reconsider your choices.
Absolutely spot on.

Let the tiki-torch waving alt-right have their marches and protests, don't turn up to (counter)protest, don't act like a butt-hurt child, ignore the fuckers and obscurity will claim them soon enough. Just look at Robert Spencer - if it wasn't for that infamous punch, next to nobody would even know who the arsehole is.

It really annoys me when people give these pricks the attention they need to survive and spread. It's like the meat-space version of feeding the trolls.
Or, if you want to turn up to counter-protest, be smart and creative about it, mock them, don't look for a chance to "punch Nazis"/participate in street fights with bike locks.

People used to oppose the Westboro Baptist Church by making fun of the assholes, and this ended up making it so that anyone hated them. Today the WBC is just a laughingstock. I don't see why the same thing cannot happen with the fans of white ethnostates.

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Kirbmarc wrote: Or, if you want to turn up to counter-protest, be smart and creative about it, mock them, don't look for a chance to "punch Nazis"/participate in street fights with bike locks.
I seem to remember someone taking the piss out of alt-right marchers by following them and playing "Ride of the valkyries" on a tuba. Again, my diseased brain could be feeding me bum info...

But yeah, piss-takery can be a potent weapon, certainly more acceptable than thuggish behaviour.

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And this is why they're feeding into the alt-right narrative. The fans of the ethno-state don't want color-blindness or meritocracy or human rights, this is bloody obvious to anyone whose's not a SocJus ideologue. Saying that equal standards are a tool of white supremacy is retarded.

The SocJus is all about shitting over the work of people who tried to build liberal, equal standards, all while claiming to be in favor of "equality". Instead of focusing on specific issues that hold back some groups from improving their living, or on violations of equal standards, or on lack of income and its consequences in a society which rewards the ultra-rich with tax cuts, the SocJus wants to tear everything down and replace it with a system that is biased in favor of other social groups.

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I agree, but the problem is, what do you do?

The thing you want to do has been labeled as alt-right, and it is reported on by alt-right because Team SocJus has graduated from pomo university into actual journalism careers, they've graduated from Jezebel to the NYTimes, they write laws and intern and lobby, so what can a person do?

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:32 am
Tip: when you're making David Duke happy, you have failed your job at fighting racism, and you should reconsider your choices.
If I was David Duke, the first thing I'd do is vocally support Kirbmarc, and say his posting here was making me happy.

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Guest_d2e60302 wrote:
And this is why they're feeding into the alt-right narrative. The fans of the ethno-state don't want color-blindness or meritocracy or human rights, this is bloody obvious to anyone whose's not a SocJus ideologue. Saying that equal standards are a tool of white supremacy is retarded.

The SocJus is all about shitting over the work of people who tried to build liberal, equal standards, all while claiming to be in favor of "equality". Instead of focusing on specific issues that hold back some groups from improving their living, or on violations of equal standards, or on lack of income and its consequences in a society which rewards the ultra-rich with tax cuts, the SocJus wants to tear everything down and replace it with a system that is biased in favor of other social groups.

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I agree, but the problem is, what do you do?

The thing you want to do has been labeled as alt-right, and it is reported on by alt-right because Team SocJus has graduated from pomo university into actual journalism careers, they've graduated from Jezebel to the NYTimes, they write laws and intern and lobby, so what can a person do?
Fight within the left. Areo Magazine is a collection of liberal, left-libertarians, progressive thinkers (from Kenan Malik to Nassim Taleb) who are criticizing the Po-Mo left. Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher still exist and have a significant following, and all of them aren't fans of the SocJus or the alt-right. Hell even Noam Chomsky is very skeptical of the SocJus, and has written about it many times.

The biggest issue here is Trump. Trump is a con man/troll who likes to stir shit and create outrage. He's ennobled the SocJus as the "Resistance". His rants, insane ideas, provocations and the like are blurring the lines and marginalizing the sane people on both the left and the right. As long as he is in power there won't be any sane, reasonable criticism of the SocJus, because the SocJus fans will simply point at Trump and berate anyone for "attacking powerless students and journalists" while "the United States are ruled by the insane right".

In order to make the political climate a bit saner Trump needs to go.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
DrokkIt wrote:
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And why do you think "the alt-right is wrong even if those differences exist"? Maybe because, as I've argued, many on the alt-right think that those differences apply to ALL members of the different races? That, for instance, all whites are more intelligent than all blacks?
For my two penneth worth, I'd say they are wrong because they are (deliberately in many cases) conflating a scientific is with a moralistic ought.

You can demonstrate to me that group X are more intelligent than group Y. You cannot demonstrate to me that therefore X should have dominion over Y or avoid them altogether, especially if this dictate supersedes my own individual choice (i.e. "you are doing whiteness wrong by associating with black people).

In my view this is to do with the ideas and principles they espouse, and not with the pragmatic situation of immigration and cultural tension.
This. The biggest epistemological problem with the alt-right is the naturalistic fallacy ("since something is natural or a product of evolution then it's a moral good"). Tribalism, aggression, even the propensity for sexually aggressive behavior are "natural", in that they're tendencies which likely have an evolutionary origin. This doesn't make it morally acceptable to "crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women".
Yeah, but on the other hand those morals (or rather a grab bag of those plus the "nicer" moral imperatives that still have genetic fitness as the ultimate core value) are the only imperatives that are actually given by nature.

IOW the only way to counter the naturalistic fallacy would be to find an alternative but non-religious grounding for morality - but that's impossible ex hypothesi (or at least so difficult nobody's ever done it yet) given naturalism in the first place. (The child-rapist is just different configuration of matter from Mother Theresa.)

In lieu of an objective foundation for morality, all you have is the multitude of flavours of us/them (with a sprinkling of something "nicer" that looks a bit like compassionate, religious morality, but turns out to be subservient to genetic fitness after all, via slight extensions of kin altruism).

IOW, on a naturalistic hypothesis, all that's happening is that those of us who prefer the "softer" moral imperatives, and ground them in evolution, are just as guilty of the naturalistic fallacy, we're just more artful about hiding it and waffling.

So in that sense aren't the SJWs right? It's all about who has the power. Place your bets! Will the supporters of the "softer" naturalistic morals beat the supporters of the "harder" naturalistic morals, by cunning or by force?

(But then, isn't the "softer" stuff always going to lose simply because of the logical priority of the "harder" stuff, in the end?)

On the other hand, one might claim (a la Dawkins) that the "softer" morality has become detachable and free-floating. But what's the philosophical warrant for the detachment?

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:08 am
The biggest issue here is Trump. Trump is a con man/troll who likes to stir shit and create outrage. He's ennobled the SocJus as the "Resistance". His rants, insane ideas, provocations and the like are blurring the lines and marginalizing the sane people on both the left and the right. As long as he is in power there won't be any sane, reasonable criticism of the SocJus, because the SocJus fans will simply point at Trump and berate anyone for "attacking powerless students and journalists" while "the United States are ruled by the insane right".

In order to make the political climate a bit saner Trump needs to go.
Trump isn't the problem. The problem is that there is an environment where SocJus fans are taken seriously for playing victim to Trump the Ogre.

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Bhurzum wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Tip: when you're making David Duke happy, you have failed your job at fighting racism, and you should reconsider your choices.
Absolutely spot on.

Let the tiki-torch waving alt-right have their marches and protests, don't turn up to (counter)protest, don't act like a butt-hurt child, ignore the fuckers and obscurity will claim them soon enough. Just look at Robert Spencer - if it wasn't for that infamous punch, next to nobody would even know who the arsehole is.

It really annoys me when people give these pricks the attention they need to survive and spread. It's like the meat-space version of feeding the trolls.
Does this mean old Maggie is coming back into fashion? "...starve [them] of the oxygen of publicity"?

BTW, RebeccaB is absolutely correct that O Lucky Man is a work of forgotten genius. More uneven than ...If, but a dizzyingly good summation of life in Britain in the 1960s, which will be enjoyed by all who experienced it, but will probably leave the rest confused, disappointed and in need of a wash (see - just like Britain in the sixties!)

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I recall enjoying 'O Lucky Man' despite not being quite the target audience (as defined above).

But then I got a kick out of being able to have a meal at the 'Richmal Crompton' in South Bromley this past weekend...so I may have been born out of my time.

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screwtape wrote: Does this mean old Maggie is coming back into fashion?
Fuck, don't say her name three times...

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Old_ones wrote:
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CommanderTuvok wrote: The SJWs are completely convinced there is "nothing to see here", except seeing Damore get laughed out of town.
But others say Damore has an "above average" chance of winning.
Will be interesting. Damore (David) vs Google (Goliath).
This case will be settled out of court.
It will be settled out of court if the people who are rational and care about the company's image and bottom line make the decision. If the diversity squad gets in on the decision they might decide to fight in court on ideological grounds. I personally hope we get the second outcome. Its frustrating seeing these organizations do shit that they won't publicly stand by. If they think blatant anti-white anti-male bias represents "justice" then they should fucking own that position.
It would be interesting so see how far SJW arguments will get you in a court room and I would love to see a lawyer shout "check your privilege" at a judge. Seeing SJWs try and defend their bullshit outside of the echo chambers would be really interesting to watch.

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If it were up to me they'd have cut off her head, driven a stake through her cold black heart and weighed her corpse down with rocks inside a solid silver casket for good measure.

After her natural death of course, I'm not a monster.

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Guest_7cbd4721 wrote: If it were up to me they'd have cut off her head, driven a stake through her cold black heart and weighed her corpse down with rocks inside a solid silver casket for good measure.

After her natural death of course, I'm not a monster.

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I see there is still no cure for Thatcher Derangement Syndrome.

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Having your health damaged as a child by her waiting lists will do that to a person...but it was a bit of a jest playing on Bhurzum's post. I#m quite satisfied that the way she has interred will be sufficient, what with vampires and revenants being made up and all.


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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
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The biggest issue here is Trump. Trump is a con man/troll who likes to stir shit and create outrage. He's ennobled the SocJus as the "Resistance". His rants, insane ideas, provocations and the like are blurring the lines and marginalizing the sane people on both the left and the right. As long as he is in power there won't be any sane, reasonable criticism of the SocJus, because the SocJus fans will simply point at Trump and berate anyone for "attacking powerless students and journalists" while "the United States are ruled by the insane right".

In order to make the political climate a bit saner Trump needs to go.
Trump isn't the problem. The problem is that there is an environment where SocJus fans are taken seriously for playing victim to Trump the Ogre.
Perhaps at some point people shift toward pragmatism and effectiveness in the political discourse. But, it is possible this level of hate will be normal. To a great extent I am happy that people are fighting with each other most of the time. This prevents things from changing too quickly. Stability is key. Despite Trumps shenanigans and the left's insanity, we are in a period of economic stability.

My biggest fear of Trump was that we was going to fuck up all our trade deals. Right now, I think this was all bluster. He is motivated to grow the economy and I think the markets realize this. This is fantastic news. Just leave the markets alone and they will grow.

So... spending time fighting about DACA is a fantastic thing. Fighting about pot is a fantastic thing. Etc. It keeps everyone busy fighting on relatively unimportant topics and allows for stability in the economy. I am very happy about all this and it is very fun to watch. I only wish I had been smart enough to have actually voted for Trump... so I could say to all my leftist family and friends that I had... haha.

Oprah for pres... haha... fantastic. Let the games begin! "Free college for you... free college for you... free college for you!"

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By the way.... thanks for all the ideas and encouragement regarding my wife. She has leveled off in her mood and is back in the swing of things. Her sister had a seizure on Sunday so that sort of forced her to start moving again. We visited her sis in the hospital a few times (my wife is her patient advocate so she has a pile of responsibilities with this). This gave us a mission and we worked on it together.

Man.... I kind of drift between the state of being super diligent in helping her and stepping back and letting things take their course. No simple solutions here.

We have been able to talk calmly and rationally about the potential to try HRS. Also, someone suggested having drug "holidays" where she selectively stopped certain drugs. We also had a good talk about her contact dermatitis. So, we are now moving on with life and trying to tackle things one at a time.

She and I both took the OCEAN personality test. I have a neurosis of 11 and she has a neurosis of 97! Haha. Damn it! My wife is fucking nuts!

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During the brief respite from the 'Pyt - I googled a bit to see how much of a footprint the site has (apart from itself).

People may be fascinated / shocked / <inserver-appropriate-adjective-here> that we collectively have made the grade and are mentioned in the the literature - specifically the 2015 classic:

'Gendertrolling: How Misogyny Went Viral' by Karla Mantilla

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kKN ... it&f=false

This may not be news to some - but I can't help but wipe away a sentimental tear at all we have accomplished...

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Guest_d2e60302 wrote: I haven't seen these issues highlighted elsewhere, but I would think they go along way to making Damore's claims that there was in essence a hostile environment supported by Google's management against conservatives (and Damore).



also

scribd com/document/368688363/James-Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit

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Google Employees Were Awarded Bonuses for Arguing against Damore’s Views
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Not only did Google terminate Damore for his political views relating to workplace issues, but they then rewarded individuals who disagreed with and disparaged Damore. 75.

The Google Recognition Team allowed employees to give fellow employees “Peer Bonuses” for arguing against Damore’s political viewpoints. Peer Bonuses were typically reserved for outstanding work performance or for going above and beyond an employee’s job duties. Defending the liberal agenda, or defending violations of California employment law, is not in any Google employee’s job description. 76.

In one example of this, an employee gave a Peer Bonus to another employee, and stated that the bonus was for “speaking up for googley values and promoting [diversity and inclusion] in the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is [Damore’s Memo].” The Google Recognition Team reviewed this justification, considered it appropriate, and allowed the bonus to proceed.
I read the complaint last night. Google basically appears to be SJW Cancerland cum Atheism+ with a bit of bias for action thrown in. I'm not surprised they called in Sarkon - she would basically validate all that shit.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:59 pm

Their strategy is better than ours (probably because ours consists of sticking our fucking heads in the sand), and we're going to get our asses kicked if we don't get ahead of the curve on this.
Who is this "we" white man? (racial pun intended).
Myself and anyone else opposed to the alt-right (which for a while looked like it might exclude some people here on the pit). That is intentionally broad. I like big tent coalitions. If you don't think they can cause any sort of damage and only bother learning about them because of an intellectual interest in some fringe group, feel free to relax, sure. Blacks make up 14% of my country though, and pointing out that shipping them all to California will never happen ignores a host of other perfectly plausible bad shit that can happen if the prevailing cultural attitudes shift dramatically. Right now the strategy for easing integration tensions consists of pretending there are no population level differences and anyone who believes otherwise is a hopeless racist. I don't feel like waiting around until everyone else accepts race realism and just hoping they come to the same conclusions you and I did rather than becoming Nazi LARPers.

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Kirbmarc wrote: Tip: when you're making David Duke happy, you have failed your job at fighting racism, and you should reconsider your choices.
TBH, I have a hard time caring about what David 'Wiggy' Duke thinks. It's impossible to take him seriously, on account of the fact that he looks like an alien trying to infiltrate the human race.

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Guest_7cbd4721 wrote: Having your health damaged as a child by her waiting lists will do that to a person...but it was a bit of a jest playing on Bhurzum's post. I#m quite satisfied that the way she has interred will be sufficient, what with vampires and revenants being made up and all.


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Fuck. Looks like I need to troubleshoot the embedding.

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You've got me feeling all nostalgic...

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MarcusAu wrote: During the brief respite from the 'Pyt - I googled a bit to see how much of a footprint the site has (apart from itself).

People may be fascinated / shocked / <inserver-appropriate-adjective-here> that we collectively have made the grade and are mentioned in the the literature - specifically the 2015 classic:

'Gendertrolling: How Misogyny Went Viral' by Karla Mantilla

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kKN ... it&f=false

This may not be news to some - but I can't help but wipe away a sentimental tear at all we have accomplished...

I love how the pit is conflated with A Voice for Men here. Totally the same thing, well done the writer.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:19 pm
Stankeye wrote: I need to ask Kirb or anyone else who may know. UCSB is hosting Reza Aslan. Should I go see him? I think it would be interesting but am not sure.
Aslan is a guy who ate human brains to stay relevant and famous, so he's probably going to say something lulz-worthy. I'd say go check him out, and bring some popcorn.
Eating human brains is a sackable offence where I work.

It's health and safety gone mad.

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Steersman wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:27 pm
And why do you think "the alt-right is wrong even if those differences exist"? Maybe because, as I've argued, many on the alt-right think that those differences apply to ALL members of the different races? That, for instance, all whites are more intelligent than all blacks?
And what is the best way to get someone to stop treating a person of a given sort as if all of their attributes were equal to (what they believe to be) the mean for a person of that sort?

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DrokkIt wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: During the brief respite from the 'Pyt - I googled a bit to see how much of a footprint the site has (apart from itself).

People may be fascinated / shocked / <inserver-appropriate-adjective-here> that we collectively have made the grade and are mentioned in the the literature - specifically the 2015 classic:

'Gendertrolling: How Misogyny Went Viral' by Karla Mantilla

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kKN ... it&f=false

This may not be news to some - but I can't help but wipe away a sentimental tear at all we have accomplished...

I love how the pit is conflated with A Voice for Men here. Totally the same thing, well done the writer.
Oh.... this is wonderful. Further proof of the absolute bull shit coming from leftist intellectuals. There is, of course, no discussion of the fact that the pit trolls men as often as women (PZ... Carrier...Shives...etc.). Oh no.... if a woman gets trolled then you are a misogynist.... end of story. I would like to make my view official... Karla Mantilla is a cunt.

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It depends on what you mean by 'person of a given sort'.

Once the tribe has been defined - there will be an internal hierarchy so treating everyone the same may not be their goal. Ingroup / outgroup dynamics will most likely be the same as they are for most groups.

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Behold - the master race!

He looks like a malnourished morlock wearing a cheap suit.

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jet_lagg wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:59 pm

Their strategy is better than ours (probably because ours consists of sticking our fucking heads in the sand), and we're going to get our asses kicked if we don't get ahead of the curve on this.
Who is this "we" white man? (racial pun intended).
Myself and anyone else opposed to the alt-right (which for a while looked like it might exclude some people here on the pit). That is intentionally broad. I like big tent coalitions. If you don't think they can cause any sort of damage and only bother learning about them because of an intellectual interest in some fringe group, feel free to relax, sure. Blacks make up 14% of my country though, and pointing out that shipping them all to California will never happen ignores a host of other perfectly plausible bad shit that can happen if the prevailing cultural attitudes shift dramatically. Right now the strategy for easing integration tensions consists of pretending there are no population level differences and anyone who believes otherwise is a hopeless racist. I don't feel like waiting around until everyone else accepts race realism and just hoping they come to the same conclusions you and I did rather than becoming Nazi LARPers.
Agreed. But surely this is best done by becoming alt-light and providing some solutions rather than opposing the alt-right?
If the last few years has taught us anything, being anti-anything doesn't really get us anywhere and just sets us up for a fall.

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From what I can recall it's simply bad plastic surgery.

A comparison to a burn victim or WWII pilot would also not fit with his accomplishments.

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John D wrote:
DrokkIt wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: During the brief respite from the 'Pyt - I googled a bit to see how much of a footprint the site has (apart from itself).

People may be fascinated / shocked / <inserver-appropriate-adjective-here> that we collectively have made the grade and are mentioned in the the literature - specifically the 2015 classic:

'Gendertrolling: How Misogyny Went Viral' by Karla Mantilla

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kKN ... it&f=false

This may not be news to some - but I can't help but wipe away a sentimental tear at all we have accomplished...

I love how the pit is conflated with A Voice for Men here. Totally the same thing, well done the writer.
Oh.... this is wonderful. Further proof of the absolute bull shit coming from leftist intellectuals. There is, of course, no discussion of the fact that the pit trolls men as often as women (PZ... Carrier...Shives...etc.). Oh no.... if a woman gets trolled then you are a misogynist.... end of story. I would like to make my view official... Karla Mantilla is a cunt.
Further on this topic. I was listening to J. Haidt talking about the effects of the internet on boys and girls. His thinking is that most boys just go on the internet and play games and talk shit, but are typically not emotionally harmed by it. He thinks girls are very adversely affected by the internet (especially constant use of smart phones and social networks) because they play out social status issues on-line. He thinks this is very harmful to girls because it makes them socially anxious... they are playing a no win type of status game on the internet. Interesting stuff. This does line up with the male/female divide on topics such as trolling. Men see trolling as part of the "fun" of social media and women see trolling as especially psychologically damaging. Haidt is arguing that both sides are correct in a way.


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MarcusAu wrote: You've got me feeling all nostalgic...
Ha! The missus and I took a trip down memory lane the other night by digging out and watching a bunch of old VHS tapes - Not the nine o'clock news, The Fast show, some Monty Python and a couple of episodes of Kenny Everett. The tapes, recorded from TV mainly, were part of a haul she salvaged from her sister (years ago) when she upped sticks and move down under.

I'd forgotten how funny Kenny Everett was! Pretty subversive too for his time.

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Bhurzum wrote:
Behold - the master race!

He looks like a malnourished morlock wearing a cheap suit.
Behold, his true form:

https://i.imgur.com/RpuT3jK.png

And his unearthly spawn:

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Kirbmarc wrote: The biggest issue here is Trump. Trump is a con man/troll who likes to stir shit and create outrage. He's ennobled the SocJus as the "Resistance". His rants, insane ideas, provocations and the like are blurring the lines and marginalizing the sane people on both the left and the right. As long as he is in power there won't be any sane, reasonable criticism of the SocJus, because the SocJus fans will simply point at Trump and berate anyone for "attacking powerless students and journalists" while "the United States are ruled by the insane right".

In order to make the political climate a bit saner Trump needs to go.
An alternative view sees Trump as being made possible because of the SocJus, instead of Trump being ennobled by SocJus. On this view, removing Trump would probably lead to another person like him if you don't deal with SocJus first.

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DrokkIt wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: During the brief respite from the 'Pyt - I googled a bit to see how much of a footprint the site has (apart from itself).

People may be fascinated / shocked / <inserver-appropriate-adjective-here> that we collectively have made the grade and are mentioned in the the literature - specifically the 2015 classic:

'Gendertrolling: How Misogyny Went Viral' by Karla Mantilla

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kKN ... it&f=false

This may not be news to some - but I can't help but wipe away a sentimental tear at all we have accomplished...

I love how the pit is conflated with A Voice for Men here. Totally the same thing, well done the writer.
This is similar to the religious approach to the "heretics". Only a small number of sophisticated theologians needed to tell apart one "heretical" group from another, for most of the faithfuls all those who weren't recognized as being in the right were the same.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:08 am
The biggest issue here is Trump. Trump is a con man/troll who likes to stir shit and create outrage. He's ennobled the SocJus as the "Resistance". His rants, insane ideas, provocations and the like are blurring the lines and marginalizing the sane people on both the left and the right. As long as he is in power there won't be any sane, reasonable criticism of the SocJus, because the SocJus fans will simply point at Trump and berate anyone for "attacking powerless students and journalists" while "the United States are ruled by the insane right".

In order to make the political climate a bit saner Trump needs to go.
Trump isn't the problem. The problem is that there is an environment where SocJus fans are taken seriously for playing victim to Trump the Ogre.
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MarcusAu wrote: It depends on what you mean by 'person of a given sort'.

Once the tribe has been defined - there will be an internal hierarchy so treating everyone the same may not be their goal. Ingroup / outgroup dynamics will most likely be the same as they are for most groups.
What I meant was this: when you meet a completely new person, you have a tendency to immediately classify the person in terms of sex, race, and age (in that order of importance). You then interact with the person as if they had the modal attributes for a person of that sort, where modal is a weird mix of statistics and unsupported beliefs. My question was how to you get a person to stop imputing modal attributes to a given (specific) person.

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DrokkIt wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: During the brief respite from the 'Pyt - I googled a bit to see how much of a footprint the site has (apart from itself).

People may be fascinated / shocked / <inserver-appropriate-adjective-here> that we collectively have made the grade and are mentioned in the the literature - specifically the 2015 classic:

'Gendertrolling: How Misogyny Went Viral' by Karla Mantilla

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kKN ... it&f=false

This may not be news to some - but I can't help but wipe away a sentimental tear at all we have accomplished...

I love how the pit is conflated with A Voice for Men here. Totally the same thing, well done the writer.
Forty fucking bucks for the Kindle edition, and forty-eight for the dead-tree? She's fucking insane.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: It depends on what you mean by 'person of a given sort'.

Once the tribe has been defined - there will be an internal hierarchy so treating everyone the same may not be their goal. Ingroup / outgroup dynamics will most likely be the same as they are for most groups.
What I meant was this: when you meet a completely new person, you have a tendency to immediately classify the person in terms of sex, race, and age (in that order of importance). You then interact with the person as if they had the modal attributes for a person of that sort, where modal is a weird mix of statistics and unsupported beliefs. My question was how to you get a person to stop imputing modal attributes to a given (specific) person.
I don't think you can stop spontaneous classifications (among other reasons, because not all of the process which lead to them are conscious). However you can teach people to correct their models according to new evidence.

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Steersman wrote:
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jet_lagg wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: You really have to wonder about the Alt-Right and Race Realists because I am pretty certain that this behaviour isn't IQ related. If I point something even remotely gun shaped at my dog it has the intelligence to run and hide. I am really surprised that they are not talking about impulse control and aggression.
They do talk about poor impulse control and aggression. If there's an emphasis on IQ it's only because that's where the science is solid and you don't have to rely on anecdote. Whatever the alt-right is they aren't stupid. Their strategy is better than ours (probably because ours consists of sticking our fucking heads in the sand), and we're going to get our asses kicked if we don't get ahead of the curve on this. Anyone who looks at the crime or IQ data can see there are group level differences. The debate needs to be refocused on why the alt-right is wrong *even if those differences exist*. Instead we get Adam Ruins Everything and other well-meaning (or are they? if they're deep cover right wing plants they're doing a brilliant fucking job) idiots trying to rip down entire fields of science because they don't like reality.

https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3oUqKUx2o0
And why do you think "the alt-right is wrong even if those differences exist"? Maybe because, as I've argued, many on the alt-right think that those differences apply to ALL members of the different races? That, for instance, all whites are more intelligent than all blacks?

Browse Stormfron for for a couple of minutes and you will see that that can not possibly be true.

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Kirbmarc wrote: I don't think you can stop spontaneous classifications (among other reasons, because not all of the process which lead to them are conscious). However you can teach people to correct their models according to new evidence.
I'm sure the Ludovico Technique can be applied to correct undesirable behaviour.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by Billie from Ockham »

With regard to the Google law-suit, I wish that they had found a better second plaintiff than David Gudeman. I'm sympathetic to the plaintiffs, but I have to admit that Gudeman comes across as an asshole, even when his actions are descibed by his own lawyers.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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MarcusAu wrote: During the brief respite from the 'Pyt - I googled a bit to see how much of a footprint the site has (apart from itself).

People may be fascinated / shocked / <inserver-appropriate-adjective-here> that we collectively have made the grade and are mentioned in the the literature - specifically the 2015 classic:

'Gendertrolling: How Misogyny Went Viral' by Karla Mantilla

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kKN ... it&f=false

This may not be news to some - but I can't help but wipe away a sentimental tear at all we have accomplished...
I've mentioned that before. It's worth noting that Karla Mantilla is a TERF who has written articles calling transwomen rapists so if you are thinking about reviewing her book on Amazon (whether you read it or not) it's worth mentioning that so she'll sell zero copies to gender studies departments.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Good thing I kept scrolling because I was like
:nin: :nin: :nin: :nin: :nin: :nin: :nin: :nin:
Over and over and over.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Bhurzum wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: You've got me feeling all nostalgic...
Ha! The missus and I took a trip down memory lane the other night by digging out and watching a bunch of old VHS tapes - Not the nine o'clock news, The Fast show, some Monty Python and a couple of episodes of Kenny Everett. The tapes, recorded from TV mainly, were part of a haul she salvaged from her sister (years ago) when she upped sticks and move down under.

I'd forgotten how funny Kenny Everett was! Pretty subversive too for his time.

Speaking of Kenny Everett and Thatcher...

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/ ... -51-21.jpg
Hang on a bit ! Kenny was a fan of Maggie. He joked about kicking away Michael Foot's stick when he did a spot at the Tory conference.

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