Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:41 am
Brive1987 wrote: ↑My hypothesis is that Kirb’s a classic liberal civic nationalist, despising collective identity outside an adherence to generic “muh values”. This in opposition to the Goldy approach: that the value of a geographically defined state lies in it’s unique historical ethnic/cultural heritage. The Goldy approach resists the multicultural agenda of either applying a beige wash or, more realistically, silos until a new dominant culture emerges.
I don't "despise" collective identity, I simply don't see it as the one and only meter of judgement, as Goldy and you sometimes seem to do. In reality
ALL geographically defined states have had cultural/religious minorities within them. Even Japan has the Korean minority and the Ainu. Switzerland is actually a multi-cultural country, with four official languages (oh noes!) and the Protestant/Catholic divide.
Indeed. Kind of a case of which values undergird that "collective identity" - ain't all created equal.
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Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:41 am
Rapid, uncontrolled, mass immigration might threaten that. I'm not in the naive camp that sees complete integration as the inevitable result of living together (it never happened in the Basque countries after all) and sees every group as equally capable of integration at any number (to carry this view to its logically extreme results some people, like Justin "Zoolander" Trudeau for example, seem to think that former ISIS fighters will roll back and become law-abiding, tolerant citizens of a liberal democracy, which is clearly insane).
LoL - "Zoolander Trudeau" kind of hits the nail on the head. I voted for the fucker, and I'm kind of ashamed to have done so; lesser of two evils doesn't always work out all that well as that is frequently more apparent than not ...
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:41 am
Now you could say that you've never argued for Steerman-esque "population transfers" or Gestapo levels of Nazi purity. Fine. I can accept that. But again, the question becomes about what do you want, concretely?
Looks a bit disingenuous as I've hardly argued that "population transfers" are always necessary or a panacea - generally only in cases where the values of the immigrant population are fundamentally antithetical to those of the host country.
Somewhat apropos of which:
Can Islam, Sharia and a Secular Democracy coincide?
Changing gears a bit, and to kill the proverbial two birds with one stone, and since you seem to have your ear to the ground on the postmodernist front, and ICYMI, an interesting new post from Stephen Pinker:
The Intellectual War on Science. A particularly relevant passage:
The humanities have yet to recover from the disaster of postmodernism, with its defiant obscurantism, self-refuting relativism, and suffocating political correctness.