There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one

[shoutinghorse]

I'm all for whamen having equal rights with men, esp. when dealing with night club bouncers. :)

[Bhurzum]

A bit random, as usual - anyone familiar with the music of Rush? Y'know, the Canookian rock gods? Well, if you are, this will blow you away!



It's that close to a perfect cover, if you closed you're eyes, you'd swear it was actually Rush!

:burn:

[shoutinghorse]

Count Dank has cracked £150,000.

There must be a row of silks lined up at his door. Quite the sight.

Lefty comedy writer who got rich whilst taking the piss out of Nazis now actively trying to stop a man convicted for taking the piss out of Nazis from funding his appeal. What a fucked up world we live in.

[Brive1987]

Kirb

I stitched this together to explain to you what an ethno state looks like from a cultural Australian perspective.

And communicate some of my dismay.

Footage taken from 1966 life in Australia doco and recent riots in the CBD. It’s only 3 or 4 mins long.

ht.tps://youtu.be/brwfGg4UNZc

Look, I understand the power of nostalgia for the "good old days". And of course the march of the muslim conservative/reactionaries IS an issue, or better yet "problematic". A failure of integration, if you want, one that certainly needs to be addressed.

At that same time, though, nostalgia shows you the past with rose tinted glasses, and the present under a grim light. Australia in the '60s wasn't exactly, or entirely, the idyllic suburbanite dream that the documentary wants to show. And the Australia of today isn't ENTIRELY made up of muslim reactionary marches.

There were issues to be tackled in the '60s. The conscription and the Vietnam War. Indigenous rights. The sexual and social revolutions. People weren't just strolling happily from work to home to sports to church to the beach. It wasn't a dream 1950s life.

Today Australia has issues but is a very rich country, with a very high Human Development Index, very few poor people, high literacy, high life expectancy at birth.

So while there ARE problems to deal with, issue to solve, the situation isn't as dire as the narrative of the "fall of the West" puts it. Also there was never a "golden age". Nostalgia makes us forget the issues of the past, most of which are a moot point today.

The SocJus wants an impossible utopia (the "end of history, end of suffering, end of oppression") in the future. The TradLife/alt-right looks for a return to a non-existing past. The truth is that you can't go back, and history will never end, there will always be a degree of suffering, a degree of oppression, a degree of imperfection. No society has ever been, is, or will ever be, perfect. Perfection is a dream.

It's better to face reality as it is and look for ways to potentially deal with some new issues on a pragmatic level, rather than lamenting that the past is no more or that the utopia hasn't arrived.

Growing up in 1970s, these were totally the values that were familiar and the norm (yes, in my experience. Sure there was counter culture. But it was counter to the dominant culture and internally sourced.

Obviously the time wasn't a utopia: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/bra ... 4z454.html Thats typical miss-direction.

What's important now is to retain what little is left, rebuild that which can be salvaged, stop further cultural destruction and identify a positive scaffold while actively rejecting forces that promote dysfunction. The video throws the pros and the cons into sharp relief. While demonstrating that an "ethno state" is not the strawman you paint.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I dropped a vanilla opening gambit which is under moderation. Nary a braid was mentioned.

Still in mod, but Jerry is on another posting-food-pix-from-the-road binge. And anything with more than 2 links is auto-modded. He should get himself a blog intern, and free up time write another book.

I refuted Heather Hastie's assertions with hard data, and she's gone radio silence since. IIRC, she's from OZ too.

On another thread, I observed that obama intentionally dragged-out the birther controversy because it served his purposes, and all I'm getting is 'but he really was born in Hawaii!' Jesus Christ, intellectuals can be incredibly dense!

[Matt Cavanaugh]

So while there ARE problems to deal with, issue to solve, the situation isn't as dire as the narrative of the "fall of the West" puts it. Also there was never a "golden age". Nostalgia makes us forget the issues of the past, most of which are a moot point today.

The SocJus wants an impossible utopia (the "end of history, end of suffering, end of oppression") in the future. The TradLife/alt-right looks for a return to a non-existing past. The truth is that you can't go back, and history will never end, there will always be a degree of suffering, a degree of oppression, a degree of imperfection. No society has ever been, is, or will ever be, perfect. Perfection is a dream.

It's better to face reality as it is and look for ways to potentially deal with some new issues on a pragmatic level, rather than lamenting that the past is no more or that the utopia hasn't arrived.

So what you're saying is, 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me'.

[/Cathy Newman]

[Brive1987]

Society is clearly on an upward trajectory.

[MarcusAu]

What metric is being used to measure loneliness?

[Kirbmarc]

Society is clearly on an upward trajectory.

Since singles already constitute 25% in 2016 and will still constitute 25% in 2036, while the biggest change from now to 2036 will be the lowering of the percentage of couples with children and the rising in percentage of couples without children, isn't the change more about couples not having kids than about singles?

[Brive1987]

He is doing the full 50 year thing. Salt is a left leaning demographer btw. I’m interested in the breakdown of formal structure (nuclear) as much as loneliness. Though I see the UK just appointed its first minister for loneliness. What a dream job.

http://time.com/5248016/tracey-crouch-u ... -minister/

[Kirbmarc]

What's important now is to retain what little is left, rebuild that which can be salvaged, stop further cultural destruction and identify a positive scaffold while actively rejecting forces that promote dysfunction. The video throws the pros and the cons into sharp relief. While demonstrating that an "ethno state" is not the strawman you paint.

I don't understand WHAT you're trying to retain and salvage. Are people now not able to go to the beach, or to go to see their children play games? Or is it the lowering of church attendance that bothers you so much? What is the exact nature of the dysfunction that worries you so much? Lack of integration? Urban planning? Or simply the fact that things have changed?

Basically your definition of "ethno-state" is that of a narrative of the Happy 1960s, which is heavily tinted with nostalgia, and ignores the progresses, the improvements since then, or casts them in a negative way, to focus only on the problems of today. I remember that you think that gay marriage is a big problem for some reason. Surely gay couples disagree.

What's interesting is that you (rightly) see the growth of conservative islam as a problem, while you seem to share some of its conservative values. Conservative islam is also centered on a nostalgic narrative for the "traditional old days" juxtaposed to the "degenerate present". The difference seems to be which time is transformed into a myth: the 1950s-1960s or the Caliphate Age.

In any way society HAS marched on. Internet, social media, the economy of services and not industry, ease of movement, easily available contraceptives, and other technological and economic changes have shaped society in a very different way from that of the past. The solution cannot just be to pine for what's gone, but to accept the possibilities and deal with the problems of the present.

[Kirbmarc]

#9882 Post by Brive1987 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:31 pm
He is doing the full 50 year thing. Salt is a left leaning demographer btw. I’m interested in the breakdown of formal structure (nuclear) as much as loneliness. Though I see the UK just appointed its first minister for loneliness. What a dream job.

http://time.com/5248016/tracey-crouch-u ... -minister/
Schism timeline: http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih

The rise of loneliness seems to be happening everywhere in the first world, though, regardless of immigration. Indeed Japan, a nation which has a very strict immigration policy, has had a sharp rise of loneliness, singles, childless couples, etc.

This paragraph seems interesting:

Her Conservative Party has also been blamed for exacerbating loneliness by gutting social services, which provided struggling mothers relief and kept communities together. Since the Conservatives gained power in 2010, hundreds of public libraries and Sure Start Centers, which are designed to help mothers and children, have been closed down. “The loss of community space, like youth centers, has had an massive impact on what would be a cure for loneliness,” says Naomi Eisenstadt, a public policy expert at the University of Oxford who was the first director of Sure Start. Crouch’s position was created with the best intentions but the Conservative government doesn’t “understand” what is needed, Eisenstadt tells TIME. “How do you fix loneliness without addressing the basic infrastructure issues that would reduce it?”

Perhaps the key to tackling loneliness, isolation, ghettoization, extremism in isolated echo chambers, and the lower number of children being born in couples is to devote resources to spaces of aggregation, to promote integration, to bring people together, to allow parents not to be slaves to their jobs but to have time for their children, to promote common values through infrastructures like schools, community centers, community outreach projects, daycare centers, common spaces to find help for childcare and elderly care, etc.

I know, I know, this is "civic nationalism" and so basically Satan :bjarte: Also it's Evil Gummint spending, so Communism or Stalinism :bjarte:

[Kirbmarc]

Basically the system today is centered on making labor as cheap as possible and taking away workers' rights as much as possible, forcing people to work long hours for low wages which don't allow them to devote time and money to their families, along with closing institutions which the neoliberal/neoconservative governments deem useless, privatizing everything, and cutting taxes to corporate cronies.

It's a system where a small minority of CEOs, owners of Big Media, Big Pharma, Big Internet Hubs, brokers, political figures, lobbysts, corporate lawyers, media figures has become IMMENSELY rich and privileged. This minority is largely apolitical except when it comes to protecting their privileges. They make donations to one party or another, or to both, to influence them in their favor, while they either exploit right-wing virtue-signalling and nostalgia for "tradition" (like in the case of Sinclair Media and Rupert Murdoch) or, more recently, left-wing virtue signalling and all the 1949505060 racial/gender/sexuality identity issues (Starbucks, Amazon, Google, Twitter, etc.)

The dominant elite doesn't really care about left or right wing "culture" as long as they keep their privileges. They can signal their allegiance with publicity stunts and PR, like Starbucks and its "anti-racism training" or the empty promise to hire 10,000 refugees, or the faux populism of Red Media owners who say that they're on the side of the white working class while they convince them that tax cuts and welfare/healthcare cuts work in their favor.

The real privileges are wealth and influence over politics. A black woman like Oprah Winfrey, with her money and immense influence in the media, is immensely privileged, and nobody among the crowds which she frequents really gives two shits about her gender and race. A gay man like Milo Yannopoulis can date black men and be admired by the right-wing corporate elites and the populist masses alike, and his only biggest concern might be dealing with deranged twitter trolls.

Wealth disparity and power disparity are also the cause of the apparent "racial" or "gender" gap: poverty, isolation, ghettoization, disenfranchisement matter much more than the KKK or Richard Spencer. A poor white family in Alabama doesn't have more "privilege" than a poor black family in Chicago, and "white privilege" is mostly due to the fact that there are more poor black people than poor white people when compared to the overall numbers of those two social groups.

Sure, sexism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia exist, but their impact is mediated and diffused through CLASS, PROPERTY and INCOME. Bad tweets, or "offensive" movies, video games, Halloween costumes, and other cultural issues are only marginal problems at their very best. The SocJus focus on the Culture Wars and fighting with hashtags on twitter is a dereliction of duty to their own "social justice" ideals. Even when the SocJus focuses on a real problem, like police shootings or the corporate prison system, they never do it in a productive way, but always to boost narratives, shout slogans, and promote media-friendly, clickbait articles. They care more about saying how racist the police or prisons are than about how to reform police training, or the justice system.

The right-wing, on the other hand, may court working class people by promising jobs coming back from abroad, or a rise in wages and labor standards by kicking out the low-wage immigrants, or a return to a mythical traditional past which is being undermined by the Evil Left, but the big donors and the higher ups don't really care about those things. If the Big Powers behind the GOP will find a war good for their businesses, they will fight it, regardless of Trump's isolationism which made him popular with his populist voters.

The "culture wars" are a gigantic red herring. The corporate/media/big donors and big lobby elite erodes civil and worker's rights, establishes strict control over freedom of expression which they use to limit the focus on their activities, write friendly tax codes, actively dodges taxes, fights wars that offer them opportunities to get even more rich, and laughs at the morons who get outraged at the "progressive agenda" or at the "white supremacist agenda". Meanwhile academia is focused on sniffing its own incomprehensible brainfarts, journalism is all about easy outrage for clickbait, and civil society is non-existent given that all is about your identity and finding your tribe.

[Kirbmarc]

In the US all you need to be celebrated as a progressive is to weep at the right times, smile at other times, wear bracelets or T shirt, do some social media stunts, and talk a lot about how horrible the White Supremacist Cis Hetero Patriarchy is.

You can be a media mogul who has hidden their funds in Panama, or a corporate crony who has paid off politicians to pass tax codes that benefit your company, or a war hawk financed by friendly regimes, and still everyone in the left loves you, because you made them FEEL like they matter, their ideas are important, and they are special snowflakes, oppressed by the Evil Bigoted Straight Cis Hetero White Males.

Similarly all you need to be celebrated as a conservative patriot is to weep at flag, say "I support the military", do some social media stunts, and talk about how horrible the Evil Leftist Liberal Conspiracy is.

You can be a media mogul who has fucked porn stars and paid them off, or a corporate crony who has paid off politicians to pass tax codes that benefit your company, or a war hawk financed by friendly regimes, and still everyone in the right loves you, because you made them FEEL like they matter, their ideas are important, and they are special All American People, unlike the Gay Commie Nazi Muslim Hispanic Immigrant Liberal Bastards.

Social media are a great tool to manipulate the masses if you know what to say to make them happy.

[feathers]

More than Betsy DeVos(who is certifiably an idiot) this might be the thing that stops Title IX kangaroo courts:
Judge rules Ohio State Title IX official can be personally liable for helping rape accuser lie

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/44355/

Didn't you get the memo that false rape accusations are 'vanishingly rare' because no woman would dare to provoke the intense scrutiny an accusation, true or not, carries with it?

[feathers]

I know many considered blonde Agnetha's bum to be legendary for the times , but being about 12 at the time I preferred the brunette Anni Frid
possibly because she vaguely resembled one of my art teachers at school , Miss Hamilton.

Face it, you felt automatically attracted to the racially pure Lebensborn girl.

[feathers]

Oh, and a discussion at WEIT on Bavarian crucifixes has devolved into a scrum over immigration, including the spouting of kirbmarc's complete nonsense about needing immigrants to support senior citizens. Oh and I almost got banned for calling it "complete nonsense". Oh and I and the entire United States of America are racist.

The only immigrants I generally see as medical assistant/nursing staff are those from Poland and former Yugoslavia. Somehow I don't think ME immigrant men would never humiliate themselves to become nurse, and Muslim women aren't allowed anywhere near an infidel white man.

[Kirbmarc]

The only immigrants I generally see as medical assistant/nursing staff are those from Poland and former Yugoslavia. Somehow I don't think ME immigrant men would never humiliate themselves to become nurse, and Muslim women aren't allowed anywhere near an infidel white man.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but "support for an aging population" meant more something along the lines of "being part of the workforce/tax-payers that supplies money for pensioners" rather than working as nurses/medical assistants specifically.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

What metric is being used to measure loneliness?

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[Matt Cavanaugh]

Somehow I don't think ME immigrant men would never humiliate themselves to become nurse, and Muslim women aren't allowed anywhere near an infidel white man.

Yeah but if you give them their own private swim time at the public pool, they'll come around in a generation or three.

[shoutinghorse]

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

The only immigrants I generally see as medical assistant/nursing staff are those from Poland and former Yugoslavia. Somehow I don't think ME immigrant men would never humiliate themselves to become nurse, and Muslim women aren't allowed anywhere near an infidel white man.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but "support for an aging population" meant more something along the lines of "being part of the workforce/tax-payers that supplies money for pensioners" rather than working as nurses/medical assistants specifically.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

[screwtape]

Newham lost 37.5% of white residents between 2001 and 2011? I wouldn't want to denigrate the residents in any way, but I'm not surprised. I lived there for six years, in West Ham, which proved to be the only place in London where I could afford a property within one hour's cycling distance of UCHMS (said property being a two up two down slum with one cold tap, no heating, and an outside toilet that didn't work. Learned an awful lot of DIY skills there). Even then, which was 1979 - 1985, the locals were enraged about the way their community was being invaded. I'm not quite sure I'd even now, with thirty odd years of hindsight, say that was for racist reasons. Those poor sods, and they were exactly that - poor, had been born, grown up and lived in slums, and the experience of the Blitz was the glue that held them together. They had made the best of it, stayed open for business even when they had no roof, and even carried on as normal when they had lost next door neighbours and close family members in the nightly lottery managed by the Luftwaffe. In my street, the roofs changed colour halfway along. "Landmine" was the answer when I asked. Those same, generous people deluged me with offers of furniture and appliances when I moved in (some of which were said to have fallen off the back of a lorry, so some of that generosity was likely a matter of disposing of stolen goods).
So why can't I say they resented the change for racist reasons? They and their forebears (these slums were over a hundred years old) had invested all sorts of emotion and effort into making a home from shitty circumstances. They were the lowest form of labour in the largest dock complex in the world and knew better than most what it meant to be the underclass of capitalism, but they made the best of it even when they had to put up with it being torn to pieces by high explosive. A great deal of self-sufficient pride was the main consumable in that conflagration, but they emerged with their spirit mostly intact after the war. Then it was eroded further by the grey miseries of rationing, nationalisation, austerity and the inept governments of Attlee, Churchill redux and Eden. Americans are nostalgic for the Fifties, which are exemplified by full employment, pleated skirts and bobby socks, ice cream sodas, and a clear sense of the rightness of the American way when contrasted against the evils of communism. In the UK, life was different. The Fifties meant clothing and food coupons, smog, British Railways, the local Gas Board and the complete and utter failure of imagination of all the major British car manufacturers. Nonetheless, our Cockneys carried on in the best spirit of the Blitz until they found something insidious: the steady drip-drip erosion of their world by strangers and a changing culture which proved to be harder to swallow. They had borne the impossible, and had done it by making believe that they had something worth having. But that kind of make believe is dissolved by changing the ingredients. So they whispered to me about the West Indian neighbours, as they continued to smile and greet them in the street. Even then, those West Indians were the smallest minority, as the Asians began to dominate in the area. I was actually very happy to have corner shops open all hours and even happier to have a choice of curry houses, but the sad fact was that those immigrants were numerous enough that they had no need to extend a hand to the West Indians nor to the white cockneys; they had enough compatriots to feel there was no need. That little bit of the world had changed and we are poorer for losing it. Whether its replacement will make us feel the same way has yet to be seen. Acid attacks, honour killings and homegrown terrorists don't seem to be useful starting points.

[screwtape]

What metric is being used to measure loneliness?

Pit membership statistics. Wake up, willya!

[shoutinghorse]

Newham lost 37.5% of white residents between 2001 and 2011? I wouldn't want to denigrate the residents in any way, but I'm not surprised. I lived there for six years, in West Ham, which proved to be the only place in London where I could afford a property within one hour's cycling distance of UCHMS (said property being a two up two down slum with one cold tap, no heating, and an outside toilet that didn't work. Learned an awful lot of DIY skills there). Even then, which was 1979 - 1985, the locals were enraged about the way their community was being invaded. I'm not quite sure I'd even now, with thirty odd years of hindsight, say that was for racist reasons. Those poor sods, and they were exactly that - poor, had been born, grown up and lived in slums, and the experience of the Blitz was the glue that held them together. They had made the best of it, stayed open for business even when they had no roof, and even carried on as normal when they had lost next door neighbours and close family members in the nightly lottery managed by the Luftwaffe. In my street, the roofs changed colour halfway along. "Landmine" was the answer when I asked. Those same, generous people deluged me with offers of furniture and appliances when I moved in (some of which were said to have fallen off the back of a lorry, so some of that generosity was likely a matter of disposing of stolen goods).
So why can't I say they resented the change for racist reasons? They and their forebears (these slums were over a hundred years old) had invested all sorts of emotion and effort into making a home from shitty circumstances. They were the lowest form of labour in the largest dock complex in the world and knew better than most what it meant to be the underclass of capitalism, but they made the best of it even when they had to put up with it being torn to pieces by high explosive. A great deal of self-sufficient pride was the main consumable in that conflagration, but they emerged with their spirit mostly intact after the war. Then it was eroded further by the grey miseries of rationing, nationalisation, austerity and the inept governments of Attlee, Churchill redux and Eden. Americans are nostalgic for the Fifties, which are exemplified by full employment, pleated skirts and bobby socks, ice cream sodas, and a clear sense of the rightness of the American way when contrasted against the evils of communism. In the UK, life was different. The Fifties meant clothing and food coupons, smog, British Railways, the local Gas Board and the complete and utter failure of imagination of all the major British car manufacturers. Nonetheless, our Cockneys carried on in the best spirit of the Blitz until they found something insidious: the steady drip-drip erosion of their world by strangers and a changing culture which proved to be harder to swallow. They had borne the impossible, and had done it by making believe that they had something worth having. But that kind of make believe is dissolved by changing the ingredients. So they whispered to me about the West Indian neighbours, as they continued to smile and greet them in the street. Even then, those West Indians were the smallest minority, as the Asians began to dominate in the area. I was actually very happy to have corner shops open all hours and even happier to have a choice of curry houses, but the sad fact was that those immigrants were numerous enough that they had no need to extend a hand to the West Indians nor to the white cockneys; they had enough compatriots to feel there was no need. That little bit of the world had changed and we are poorer for losing it. Whether its replacement will make us feel the same way has yet to be seen. Acid attacks, honour killings and homegrown terrorists don't seem to be useful starting points.

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[Lsuoma]

The only immigrants I generally see as medical assistant/nursing staff are those from Poland and former Yugoslavia. Somehow I don't think ME immigrant men would never humiliate themselves to become nurse, and Muslim women aren't allowed anywhere near an infidel white man.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but "support for an aging population" meant more something along the lines of "being part of the workforce/tax-payers that supplies money for pensioners" rather than working as nurses/medical assistants specifically.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Yeah, I don't know if Ol' Kirbo is being willfully ignorant or just doesn't understand what a small fraction of ME immigrants are actually net contributors to the economy of, say, France, UK, Sweden, etc. I know freeloaders aren't allowed in Cloud Cuckoo-Clock Land, so I suspect the latter.

Hint for Kirb: the number of net contributors of immigrants from the ME is very, very small, and in aggregate I suspect that the group as a whole are strongly economically parasitic on western European countries.

[Lsuoma]

Got fed up with the new name - Lsuoma is the only name that really fits the FT.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but "support for an aging population" meant more something along the lines of "being part of the workforce/tax-payers that supplies money for pensioners" rather than working as nurses/medical assistants specifically.

Yeah, I don't know if Ol' Kirbo is being willfully ignorant or just doesn't understand what a small fraction of ME immigrants are actually net contributors to the economy of, say, France, UK, Sweden, etc. I know freeloaders aren't allowed in Cloud Cuckoo-Clock Land, so I suspect the latter.

Hint for Kirb: the number of net contributors of immigrants from the ME is very, very small, and in aggregate I suspect that the group as a whole are strongly economically parasitic on western European countries.

The only way this works is if the immigrants are either on average younger than the existing population, or can produce more wealth. As I showed with data over at WEIT, neither is true. For the US, the age-distributions are identical, while immigrants are less educated and 4/10 have limited language skills. (Those are the legal ones.)

Germany has failed miserably to attract skilled immigrants, and Merkel's Millions are certainly not cream of the crop.

It's a fucking Ponzi scheme. It's Amway with immigration.

The whole thing is argument by assertion. Can immigration really help support an aging population? It is known, Kaleesi.

Immigration: Not a Solution to Problems of Population Decline and Aging

"Key findings: demographic shrinking and aging will be accompanied by economic, social and cultural disruptions that can only partially be offset by immigration."

Will the baby boomer bubble aging really cause serious disruptions? It is known, Kaleesi.

Several recent theories emphasize the negative effects of an aging population on economic growth, either because of the lower labor force participation and productivity of older workers or because aging will create an excess of savings over desired investment, leading to secular stagnation. We show that there is no such negative relationship in the data. If anything, countries experiencing more rapid aging have grown more in recent decades.

http://economics.mit.edu/files/12536

[MarcusAu]

The changes in London (especially for the poor and working class) in the 1970s and 1980s would also have to be seen against the backdrop of the closing of the docklands.

[feathers]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but "support for an aging population" meant more something along the lines of "being part of the workforce/tax-payers that supplies money for pensioners" rather than working as nurses/medical assistants specifically.

Ah ok, but most of that sort of work will be taken over by robots or shipped off to China or other slave labour paradises.

[shoutinghorse]

So what happens when all these 'New Europeans' (many of whom will be on benefits all their lives) get old, who will pay for their pensions, more illiterate unskilled third world rapey migrants? :(

[SM1957]

It is legal to buy Mein Kampf in Germany, the USA and in Great Britain.

Why do the Left think it should be legal to read what Hitler wrote, but that Tommy Robinson should be banned from Twitter?

Surely even the Left don't think Tommy Robinson is *worse* than Hitler?

[Keating]

I'm not sure what Lsuoma puts in the water when he employs mods. The mods here aren't capricious and censorious, but they've all been a little strange. Such is the plight of those who suckle from the fascist tit.

Yeah, I don't know if Ol' Kirbo is being willfully ignorant or just doesn't understand what a small fraction of ME immigrants are actually net contributors to the economy of, say, France, UK, Sweden, etc. I know freeloaders aren't allowed in Cloud Cuckoo-Clock Land, so I suspect the latter.

Saudia Arabia by itself is a great example of this. The entire native population doesn't work - it's entirely supported by oil revenue paying slave labour to look after them. There is no culture of hard work, only decadence.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

So what happens when all these 'New Europeans' (many of whom will be on benefits all their lives) get old, who will pay for their pensions, more illiterate unskilled third world rapey migrants? :(

I'm sure Soylent Corp. could find a use for them.

[Lsuoma]

I'm not sure what Lsuoma puts in the water when he employs mods. The mods here aren't capricious and censorious, but they've all been a little strange. Such is the plight of those who suckle from the fascist tit.

Yeah, I don't know if Ol' Kirbo is being willfully ignorant or just doesn't understand what a small fraction of ME immigrants are actually net contributors to the economy of, say, France, UK, Sweden, etc. I know freeloaders aren't allowed in Cloud Cuckoo-Clock Land, so I suspect the latter.

Saudia Arabia by itself is a great example of this. The entire native population doesn't work - it's entirely supported by oil revenue paying slave labour to look after them. There is no culture of hard work, only decadence.

Just like Switzerland - there are some very strong similarities.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

All Europe, Australia and the rest need to do is slash their social services and support. Without the freebies, emigration would diminish rapidly, and the ones left would have to work and support the economy.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Well, it wouldn't take care of the rich Chinese, but they're usually good sports about obeying the law and contributing. Except their driving, which is a good argument for automated automobiles.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Holy fuck, they're armed.

Really not safe to shoot with thick fox gloves on.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

You might be able to flag her down on WEIT. She submitted a story about a cranky cat the other day under another name, Snowy Owl I think.

Barnowl is Barnowl at WEIT.

I thought so too. Perhaps Coyne has his wires crossed because he attributed a story about a sour puss to Barnowl but the submitter referred to themself as Snowy Owl.

[Sunder]

All Europe, Australia and the rest need to do is slash their social services and support. Without the freebies, emigration would diminish rapidly, and the ones left would have to work and support the economy.

Reducing social services doesn't affect employment at all though. If there's demand for labor that demand will be filled.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

All Europe, Australia and the rest need to do is slash their social services and support. Without the freebies, emigration would diminish rapidly, and the ones left would have to work and support the economy.

Reducing social services doesn't affect employment at all though. If there's demand for labor that demand will be filled.

True, but at least they wouldn't be pure parasites. Which was an issue upthread, people coming in and subsisting on welfare.

[Brive1987]

What's important now is to retain what little is left, rebuild that which can be salvaged, stop further cultural destruction and identify a positive scaffold while actively rejecting forces that promote dysfunction. The video throws the pros and the cons into sharp relief. While demonstrating that an "ethno state" is not the strawman you paint.

I don't understand WHAT you're trying to retain and salvage. Are people now not able to go to the beach, or to go to see their children play games? Or is it the lowering of church attendance that bothers you so much? What is the exact nature of the dysfunction that worries you so much? Lack of integration? Urban planning? Or simply the fact that things have changed?

Jesus Kirb. After all this back and forth?



I want to salvage outcomes in key result areas. With the vision of a cohesive society based on common culture and heritage (which has ethnic connotations) And this set against the uniquely Australian experience. These result areas include a functional hierarchy of collectives - primarily the family but also community groups (yes including social Sunday Church). Another strongly aligned KRA is the promotion of a common non subjective moral code which supports the social collective. This means no tolerance for SJW PoMo. Nb this code should provide a measuring stick rather than a rod for beating people. Another KRA is economic reform, the current setup demands the destruction of culture via mass immigration to fuel ever expanding economies that bring little “old stock” gain. There are more. Now these KRAs require a whole lot of “drivers for success”which I have already listed in previous posts. Many of which are also embedded in your Swiss ethno doctrine.


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Basically your definition of "ethno-state" is that of a narrative of the Happy 1960s, which is heavily tinted with nostalgia, and ignores the progresses, the improvements since then, or casts them in a negative way, to focus only on the problems of today. I remember that you think that gay marriage is a big problem for some reason. Surely gay couples disagree.

“Basically what you are saying is ....”. No. What I am saying is that the current society has pulled the rug from what was working and replaced it with social and economic dysfunction. That is not to say the past didn’t also have problems. Re gays. If you recall I also said that civic and legal rights for gays (which already existed) were fine, but marriage should be a socially protected term. Social minority POV does not get to dictate new definitions for majority cultural terms. This includes “Girl-cock”.

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What's interesting is that you (rightly) see the growth of conservative islam as a problem, while you seem to share some of its conservative values. Conservative islam is also centered on a nostalgic narrative for the "traditional old days" juxtaposed to the "degenerate present". The difference seems to be which time is transformed into a myth: the 1950s-1960s or the Caliphate Age.

White Sharia is a meme. The vision and KRAs I outlined above aren’t strictly 1960s and don’t require “good old days” or Middle East barbarism. You lack nuance or charity in your approach

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In any way society HAS marched on. Internet, social media, the economy of services and not industry, ease of movement, easily available contraceptives, and other technological and economic changes have shaped society in a very different way from that of the past. The solution cannot just be to pine for what's gone, but to accept the possibilities and deal with the problems of the present.

Indeed. I also don’t support FJ Holdens or transistor based electronics. My wife and I have a fairly traditional approach to life but so far we have avoided crinoline and lace. But this idea of strictly retaining form as well as values is a strawman. As I suspect you already know.

[BoxNDox]

What metric is being used to measure loneliness?

[Brive1987]

This whole white/western hate thing is so SJW.

[free thoughtpolice]

Well, it wouldn't take care of the rich Chinese, but they're usually good sports about obeying the law and contributing. Except their driving, which is a good argument for automated automobiles.

They are excellent drivers. The whole thing is a false flag op to let them kill white people and pretend it was just an accident. Brive will back me up on this.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Saudia Arabia by itself is a great example of this. The entire native population doesn't work - it's entirely supported by oil revenue paying slave labour to look after them. There is no culture of hard work, only decadence.

Just like Switzerland - there are some very strong similarities.

The Swiss suck at drifting.

[Brive1987]

Well, it wouldn't take care of the rich Chinese, but they're usually good sports about obeying the law and contributing. Except their driving, which is a good argument for automated automobiles.

They are excellent drivers. The whole thing is a false flag op to let them kill white people and pretend it was just an accident. Brive will back me up on this.

Yeah, like when the Japanese pretended they couldn’t see properly and so couldn’t fly planes, a ruse that lasted till December 7, 1941.

;)

[Sunder]

Really think more and more that Creativity's only mistake was making an account here a year too early.

See ya around, or not.

[Lsuoma]

Well, it wouldn't take care of the rich Chinese, but they're usually good sports about obeying the law and contributing. Except their driving, which is a good argument for automated automobiles.

They are excellent drivers. The whole thing is a false flag op to let them kill white people and pretend it was just an accident. Brive will back me up on this.

But the Asians in UK are not so hot:

(Kirb - this is not ethnostatism).

[Lsuoma]

[Lsuoma]

Fuck.

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[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Well, it wouldn't take care of the rich Chinese, but they're usually good sports about obeying the law and contributing. Except their driving, which is a good argument for automated automobiles.

They are excellent drivers. The whole thing is a false flag op to let them kill white people and pretend it was just an accident. Brive will back me up on this.

Yeah, like when the Japanese pretended they couldn’t see properly and so couldn’t fly planes, a ruse that lasted till December 7, 1941.

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[Old_ones]

This whole white/western hate thing is so SJW.

Down with shit "judeo christian" European culture. As soon as Europeans decide to bring back Odin, I'll be on the alt right bandwagon. Tony Wakeford was right (or at least he is a good musician).

also:

[Old_ones]

If anyone wants to bring back "European culture" there are three of them that matter. You can bring back Spartan culture, Roman culture, or Viking culture. The rest of it is inferior bullshit. Christianity is not "European culture" and is not worthy of preservation. There is no net loss in moving Australia from majority Christhan to majority Musilim. Australia is a penal colony for the UK during its worst cultural period. There is nothing about Australia worth saving.

[Old_ones]

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

If anyone wants to bring back "European culture" there are three of them that matter. You can bring back Spartan culture, Roman culture, or Viking culture. The rest of it is inferior bullshit. Christianity is not "European culture" and is not worthy of preservation. There is no net loss in moving Australia from majority Christhan to majority Musilim. Australia is a penal colony for the UK during its worst cultural period. There is nothing about Australia worth saving.

Not even kangaroos?


Simply the best political philosophy.

[Old_ones]

If anyone wants to bring back "European culture" there are three of them that matter. You can bring back Spartan culture, Roman culture, or Viking culture. The rest of it is inferior bullshit. Christianity is not "European culture" and is not worthy of preservation. There is no net loss in moving Australia from majority Christhan to majority Musilim. Australia is a penal colony for the UK during its worst cultural period. There is nothing about Australia worth saving.

If anyone wants to bring back "European culture" there are three of them that matter. You can bring back Spartan culture, Roman culture, or Viking culture. The rest of it is inferior bullshit. Christianity is not "European culture" and is not worthy of preservation. There is no net loss in moving Australia from majority Christian to majority Muslim. Australia was a penal colony for the UK during its worst cultural period. There is nothing about Australia worth saving.

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[Old_ones]

If anyone wants to bring back "European culture" there are three of them that matter. You can bring back Spartan culture, Roman culture, or Viking culture. The rest of it is inferior bullshit. Christianity is not "European culture" and is not worthy of preservation. There is no net loss in moving Australia from majority Christhan to majority Musilim. Australia is a penal colony for the UK during its worst cultural period. There is nothing about Australia worth saving.

Not even kangaroos?


Simply the best political philosophy.

The three "european cultures" that I said were worth saving were: spartan, roman, and viking. I didn't include yankee in the mix.

[Kirbmarc]

'This is death to the family': Japan's fertility crisis is creating economic and social woes never seen before

But at least they salvaged Japanese identity :bjarte:

Also, fuck, this is Japanese genocide! Why is no one concerned?

[Kirbmarc]

'This is death to the family': Japan's fertility crisis is creating economic and social woes never seen before

But at least they salvaged Japanese identity :bjarte:

Also, fuck, this is Japanese genocide! Why is no one concerned?