There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one

[katamari Damassi]

Is be happy if they put those immigrants on buses and drove them to Canada. Trudeau is a humanitarian, he'd take them in. Right?

You've been listening to Brive's Nazi friends instead of the facts. The illegal migrants that can't make a successful refugee claim (that is most of them, probably all of the ones that are doing border crossing recently) will be sent back after being processed. Unfortunately, with appeals the process can take a long time. I guess one of the differences is that so far Canada has been housing families in barracks type facilities without breaking up families with children.
A fair amount of the problem that I see the US has in controlling the border has been self inflicted with a half century or more of businesses and employers hiring people they know are illegal without any consequences. The economy of the US is somewhat dependent on the illegal labor force now. Businesses in Canada don't get away with that so someone that sneaks into the country finds themselves without a way to make a living unless they go career criminal, and typically they get caught and sent back before too long.
So don't send us your problems, we're getting enough grief from that cunt Trump already.

I get that, and I'm not even really against the immigrants. My understanding was that illegal immigration was declining and it was never "taking away jobs from Americans" because Americans are not going to the jobs that the illegals do, plus the illegals pay into the tax system without reaping many of the benefits. My problem is with people who think that America-or any country-is fascist for wanting secure borders. My problem is with Trudeauphiles who think Canada is the bastion of progressivism based solely on Trudeau's rhetoric. I'd like to see Canada put up or shut up.

[KiwiInOz]

Has anybody here watched Sense8? I just watched the final episode last night. Lana Wachowski and team did an excellent job pulling it together and wrapping the story and storylines up. The mass of writhing bodies at the end also didn't disappoint.

https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/ ... ormat&q=70

[katamari Damassi]

Has anybody here watched Sense8? I just watched the final episode last night. Lana Wachowski and team did an excellent job pulling it together and wrapping the story and storylines up. The mass of writhing bodies at the end also didn't disappoint.

https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/ ... ormat&q=70

A friend tried watching the show a year ago and told me it takes too long to go anywhere, and if it hadn't been cancelled it still probably still be drawing everything out. It's a feeling I'm starting to get from Westworld.

[AndrewV69]

Many of the people showing up at the border are from central america. If they just wanted to escape from danger they could have stopped in Mexico. Which brings up a question: what does the Mexican government think of the people traversing Mexico to come to the US? They presumably are crossing into Mexico illegally. Are they unable to stop them or do they let them through because they aren't staying?

They pull a France. They're not the immigrant's final destination, so they don't care. In fact, they tell the US that the caravans are coming.

The involvement of children is tragic, but we're only seeing one side of the equation really. The parents are absolutely guilty of using the kids as collateral.

Is be happy if they put those immigrants on buses and drove them to Canada. Trudeau is a humanitarian, he'd take them in. Right?

You've been listening to Brive's Nazi friends instead of the facts. The illegal migrants that can't make a successful refugee claim (that is most of them, probably all of the ones that are doing border crossing recently) will be sent back after being processed. Unfortunately, with appeals the process can take a long time. I guess one of the differences is that so far Canada has been housing families in barracks type facilities without breaking up families with children.
A fair amount of the problem that I see the US has in controlling the border has been self inflicted with a half century or more of businesses and employers hiring people they know are illegal without any consequences. The economy of the US is somewhat dependent on the illegal labor force now. Businesses in Canada don't get away with that so someone that sneaks into the country finds themselves without a way to make a living unless they go career criminal, and typically they get caught and sent back before too long.

No one has clean hands. It is not just various labour intensive businesses which I gather are more than likely to be Republicans but other sectors such as lawn care and domestic services such as maids (Democrats & Republicans) Sure the Democrats hope to use them as voters also. Should I also mention H1B visas (cheap tech labour)?

The whole bunch taken together are being disingenuous at best. When they are not being hypocrites and worse.

So don't send us your problems, we're getting enough grief from that cunt Trump already.

Too late.

[KiwiInOz]

Has anybody here watched Sense8? I just watched the final episode last night. Lana Wachowski and team did an excellent job pulling it together and wrapping the story and storylines up. The mass of writhing bodies at the end also didn't disappoint.

https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/ ... ormat&q=70

A friend tried watching the show a year ago and told me it takes too long to go anywhere, and if it hadn't been cancelled it still probably still be drawing everything out. It's a feeling I'm starting to get from Westworld.

I really enjoyed it from go to whoa. Interesting characters and character development.

[free thoughtpolice]

Brive wrote:

Is it legal to cross into Canada at a non designated border crossing? If not is it ‘a thing’ to be able to claim asylum having so crossed? I feel these are essential points to clear up.

* It is not legal to cross into Canada at a non designated border crossing. That is why those people at Roxham road were being arrested and taken away in vans. It kind of bothers me seeing Goldy sneering at the cops helping the people with their luggage while they were being arrested. Kind of a bit like a mean spirited cunt that wanted the cops to beat them up and rob them just to show them a lesson.
* As for claiming asylum, I'm not sure why they aren't just turned back to the US. Possibly because they have entered Canada illegally and the policy is to arrest them. When they go in to the hearing they then have an asylum claim filed.
Just to clear this up for you, Katamari, or others that think that most Canadians just love being flooded with phony migrants, we don't all think like Trudeau or the NDP left, in fact the majority don't. In the past several months the government has been ramping up efforts to stop the migrants at the source, has arrested some human smugglers, and are pledging to streamline the legal process. This has been because Trudeau lost a lot of popularity for his overly dramatic love of all humanity shtick.

[Keating]

Many of the people showing up at the border are from central america. If they just wanted to escape from danger they could have stopped in Mexico. Which brings up a question: what does the Mexican government think of the people traversing Mexico to come to the US? They presumably are crossing into Mexico illegally. Are they unable to stop them or do they let them through because they aren't staying?

They built a wall, and got the US to pay for it.

:P

[Keating]

Interesting that Sargon, Count Dankula and (less of a surprise) Paul Joseph Watson have joined UKIP.

I think this is a terrible mistake, confirming as it does many,many people's prejudice that they are little more than thinly-veiled right-wingers.

Prejudice?

Sargon endorsed Marine Le-Pen and Donald Trump... :twatson:

They might not be as bad as Richard Spencer or Tara McCarthy, but they're on the right side of the political spectrum, and close (at best) to the far right.

There are left-wing or centrist critics of the SocJus, but they tend not to endorse Trump or LePen, or chat amiably with "white separatists" or to join a far-right party.

UKIP is a far-right party?

I’m fine with being against pipe laying, but I’m more worried about pipes being laid for SocJus and communism.

[Keating]

One thing Australia has learned about illegal immigrants is you have to deal with both the pull and push factors. We have even gone to the extent of taking out “fuck off, we’re full” advertisements in source countries.

We’re still incredibly dumb in many other ways.

[Shatterface]

.... there is an intelligent, rational and principled right out there ...

Who fulfills this definition - per your standards?

I'd say anyone who wants to argue the merits of a free market over socialism, or the virtues of standing on your own two feet over welfare, might be worthy of debating with, while a drooling dickwit ranting about white genocide and secret trials to lock white people up in cells furnished only with prayer mats with the express intention of having them murdered would fall outside of any reasonable definition of intelligent, rational or principled.

Ah. Didn’t take you as a Molyneux man.

Normally I'd imagine that meant something where you are from but since you turned Nazi pomo cunt I'm wasting no effort trying to decipher it.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

My understanding was that illegal immigration was declining and it was never "taking away jobs from Americans" because Americans are not going to the jobs that the illegals do,

Americans won't do those jobs for the pay illegals are willing to accept.

plus the illegals pay into the tax system without reaping many of the benefits.

Some do; most get paid in cash under the table. Another leftie false meme.

My problem is with people who think that America-or any country-is fascist for wanting secure borders.

It's racist, cuz it keeps out brown bodies.

[Shatterface]

I’m fine with being against pipe laying, but I’m more worried about pipes being laid for SocJus and communism.

I don't live in the 1950s America so my fear of communism is about as strong as my fear of UFOs.

[comhcinc]

I’m fine with being against pipe laying, but I’m more worried about pipes being laid for SocJus and communism.

I don't live in the 1950s America so my fear of communism is about as strong as my fear of UFOs.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sec ... 0808062811

[fuzzy]

If only there were some way of keeping illegal immigrant families together, like building a wall or something.

[free thoughtpolice]

KD wrote:

I'd like to see Canada put up or shut up.

As a totally polite Canadian I need to apologize for whatever we did to you that makes you so angry with us.

[Keating]

I’m fine with being against pipe laying, but I’m more worried about pipes being laid for SocJus and communism.

I don't live in the 1950s America so my fear of communism is about as strong as my fear of UFOs.

If I said the same thing about Weimar Germany…

[Service Dog]

Interesting that Sargon, Count Dankula and (less of a surprise) Paul Joseph Watson have joined UKIP.

I think this is a terrible mistake, confirming as it does many,many people's prejudice that they are little more than thinly-veiled right-wingers.

Prejudice?

Sargon endorsed Marine Le-Pen and Donald Trump... :twatson:

They might not be as bad as Richard Spencer or Tara McCarthy, but they're on the right side of the political spectrum, and close (at best) to the far right.

There are left-wing or centrist critics of the SocJus, but they tend not to endorse Trump or LePen, or chat amiably with "white separatists" or to join a far-right party.

UKIP is a far-right party?

I’m fine with being against pipe laying, but I’m more worried about pipes being laid for SocJus and communism.

I'm content to passively side with whichever side claims me. The Left keeps telling me I'm definitely NOT in their club. The right refuses to vote me off the island.

[KiwiInOz]

I’m fine with being against pipe laying, but I’m more worried about pipes being laid for SocJus and communism.

I don't live in the 1950s America so my fear of communism is about as strong as my fear of UFOs.

If I said the same thing about Weimar Germany…

:rimshot:

[Shatterface]

You know, me and Kirb and DrokkIt and a few other Left-leaning posters post tons mocking the excesses of the Left; the Pomo word games, the blank-statism, the authoritarianism, the censorship, the entryism into every part of social life, etc.

But we hardly see anyone on the Right saying 'Hey, this cunt's too Right-wing for me' or 'This conspiracy theory is too fucking mental.'

[comhcinc]

You know, me and Kirb and DrokkIt and a few other Left-leaning posters post tons mocking the excesses of the Left; the Pomo word games, the blank-statism, the authoritarianism, the censorship, the entryism into every part of social life, etc.

But we hardly see anyone on the Right saying 'Hey, this cunt's too Right-wing for me' or 'This conspiracy theory is too fucking mental.'

I say that shit all the damn time. It's not my fault you don't speak wrestling gif.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Ah. Didn’t take you as a Molyneux man.

Normally I'd imagine that meant something where you are from but since you turned Nazi pomo cunt I'm wasting no effort trying to decipher it.

A typically schwingenzfurnz answer from you, you utter gangenschausmittel.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Well ain't that something! I googled my falsch Deutsch after writing it and it turns out "Schwingen" means "Swiss wrestling".

Clearly, Kirb has infected me with his Alpine virus. Next thing I'll be eating Toblerone and fucking sheep on a mountainside.

[free thoughtpolice]

If only there were some way of keeping illegal immigrant families together, like building a wall or something.

The US and every other country has the absolute right to border security. More walling,fencing, sensors are a great idea. Also, make it so businesses and individuals don't support them and allow them to undercut the citizens.
Building a wall wouldn't address the whole problem in my opinion and would be a diversion of resources that are needed such as more officers, etc.
Just my opinion as a non merkin that has observed the situation from afar.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Clearly, Kirb has infected me with his Alpine virus. Next thing I'll be eating Toblerone and fucking sheep on a mountainside.

One of these two things can cause injuries to the mouth and leave you covered in a sticky brown mess.

The other is a chocolate bar.

:rimshot:

[comhcinc]

"Schwingen" means "Swiss wrestling".

https://media.giphy.com/media/lk175DwvWYFJm/giphy.gif

[John D]

Just watched the Tony awards with my wife. There were some really great performances. Good stuff.

Unfortunately, Amy Schumer is a total cunt. She introduced "My Fair Lady" and could only manage to tell use how ugly she is (and is judged for it), how sexist the show is, and how much the men "mansplain" in the show. WTF! This is a classic show based on a nearly ancient story... and the Tony's get that fucking cunt Schumer to shit on it during the into. Really.... low class.... I hate the left.

And... of course... Robert Denero gets on stage and just yells "Fuck Trump". What an old has-been fuck head. Shut up you old drunk. Move on....

[comhcinc]

Just watched the Tony awards ...

https://youtu.be/_Lh89cwkB4s?t=2m55s

I am getting ready for bed so I can't be bothered. Just to the 2:55 mark for the joke.

[John D]

Just watched the Tony awards ...

https://youtu.be/_Lh89cwkB4s?t=2m55s

I am getting ready for bed so I can't be bothered. Just to the 2:55 mark for the joke.

I will take you on in a Broadway singing contest any day.... you little cunt!

[katamari Damassi]

KD wrote:

I'd like to see Canada put up or shut up.

As a totally polite Canadian I need to apologize for whatever we did to you that makes you so angry with us.

It's not you. It's Trudeau.

[katamari Damassi]

Hey everyone it's Juneteenth in America! Juneteenth celebrates the emancipation of America's slaves. Since word couldn't out simultaneously everywhere, letting people know they were no longer considered property; various regions celebrated different dates, so June 19th was chosen for national recognition.

Just know that if you're white and you don't celebrate Juneteenth, you're racist. Also know that if you're white and do celebrate Juneteenth, then you're racist.

Happy Juneteenth you racists!

[katamari Damassi]

Just watched the Tony awards ...

https://youtu.be/_Lh89cwkB4s?t=2m55s

I am getting ready for bed so I can't be bothered. Just to the 2:55 mark for the joke.

:lol:
My husband and I don't even watch the Tonys.

[katamari Damassi]

KD wrote:

I'd like to see Canada put up or shut up.

As a totally polite Canadian I need to apologize for whatever we did to you that makes you so angry with us.

It's not you. It's Trudeau.

I take that back. It's not even Trudeau as much as it is his American fans.

[Brive1987]

You know, me and Kirb and DrokkIt and a few other Left-leaning posters post tons mocking the excesses of the Left; the Pomo word games, the blank-statism, the authoritarianism, the censorship, the entryism into every part of social life, etc.

But we hardly see anyone on the Right saying 'Hey, this cunt's too Right-wing for me' or 'This conspiracy theory is too fucking mental.'

I’ve lampooned Holocaust denial. Am pro Israel. And have rejected the Red Ice simplistic conspiracy world view that a structured cabal are pulling strings.

Which isn’t to say everything they say is dumb, though the magic blood approach has always been a problem - even as a metaphor.

But that’s not to say they aren’t trying to process real dynamics (albeit poorly). And that they aren’t closer to a ‘best case’ approach than the empty left.

So I guess you must have been talking about someone else.

[Kirbmarc]

You know, me and Kirb and DrokkIt and a few other Left-leaning posters post tons mocking the excesses of the Left; the Pomo word games, the blank-statism, the authoritarianism, the censorship, the entryism into every part of social life, etc.

But we hardly see anyone on the Right saying 'Hey, this cunt's too Right-wing for me' or 'This conspiracy theory is too fucking mental.'

It's not even about Left vs Right per se, it's about defending liberal democracy from authoritarian nutters.

There are authoritarian nutters on both sides.

The nutters on the left have power in the university system and the media, but RIGHT NOW they're losing political power.

The nutters on the right, on the other hand, have been pushed out of the public discourse, but have recreated a space for themselves online and are GAINING access to political power.

The Pit has rightly ridiculed a lot of leftist nutters. Now, however, there are people pushing right-wing nutters, while some of us are saying that they're just, and why.

It's as simple as that.

[Brive1987]

Brive wrote:

Is it legal to cross into Canada at a non designated border crossing? If not is it ‘a thing’ to be able to claim asylum having so crossed? I feel these are essential points to clear up.

* It is not legal to cross into Canada at a non designated border crossing. That is why those people at Roxham road were being arrested and taken away in vans. It kind of bothers me seeing Goldy sneering at the cops helping the people with their luggage while they were being arrested. Kind of a bit like a mean spirited cunt that wanted the cops to beat them up and rob them just to show them a lesson.
* As for claiming asylum, I'm not sure why they aren't just turned back to the US. Possibly because they have entered Canada illegally and the policy is to arrest them. When they go in to the hearing they then have an asylum claim filed.
Just to clear this up for you, Katamari, or others that think that most Canadians just love being flooded with phony migrants, we don't all think like Trudeau or the NDP left, in fact the majority don't. In the past several months the government has been ramping up efforts to stop the migrants at the source, has arrested some human smugglers, and are pledging to streamline the legal process. This has been because Trudeau lost a lot of popularity for his overly dramatic love of all humanity shtick.

Is the difference that Canada places arrested illegals into community housing (with benefits) for years while America puts illegals into jail without their kids until they plead guilty and are fucked off whence they came? Or is this an unfair characterisation?

[Brive1987]

You know, me and Kirb and DrokkIt and a few other Left-leaning posters post tons mocking the excesses of the Left; the Pomo word games, the blank-statism, the authoritarianism, the censorship, the entryism into every part of social life, etc.

But we hardly see anyone on the Right saying 'Hey, this cunt's too Right-wing for me' or 'This conspiracy theory is too fucking mental.'

It's not even about Left vs Right per se, it's about defending liberal democracy from authoritarian nutters.

......

It's as simple as that.

In fact it’s even simpler ....

It’s about retaining national cogency in the face of liberal deconstruction.

[feathers]

Mexico is not exactly the safest place in the world BTW. My understanding is that economic migrants settling and/or traversing Mexico are at severe risk.

I suppose they try to cross Mexico as fast as possible before being robbed of their last possessions and buried in a ditch by some local gang. The Mexican government needn't even step in to get rid of them pronto.

[SM1957]

You know, me and Kirb and DrokkIt and a few other Left-leaning posters post tons mocking the excesses of the Left; the Pomo word games, the blank-statism, the authoritarianism, the censorship, the entryism into every part of social life, etc.

But we hardly see anyone on the Right saying 'Hey, this cunt's too Right-wing for me' or 'This conspiracy theory is too fucking mental.'

It's not even about Left vs Right per se, it's about defending liberal democracy from authoritarian nutters.

There are authoritarian nutters on both sides.

The nutters on the left have power in the university system and the media, but RIGHT NOW they're losing political power.

The nutters on the right, on the other hand, have been pushed out of the public discourse, but have recreated a space for themselves online and are GAINING access to political power.

The Pit has rightly ridiculed a lot of leftist nutters. Now, however, there are people pushing right-wing nutters, while some of us are saying that they're just, and why.

It's as simple as that.

After the Left parties got battered in France, Austria, Germany , Italy, even in Britain where Corbyn managed to turn in Labour's 3rd election defeat in a row, Left wing parties have decided to become more 'populist' ie actually deign to consider that voters will vote for people who don't call them racist xenophobic bigots.

It won't be long before the SPD in Germany either vanishes or claims it wants to build a wall http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschla ... 09713.html

https://www.project-syndicate.org/comme ... ng-2018-06

[MarcusAu]

I see that UKIP has rejected Sargon (Carl Benjamin) as they do not want to be associated with racists (or more specifically people that use the 'n word').

[SM1957]

How can you be rejected by UKIP? That is quite an accomplishment!

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Is the difference that Canada places arrested illegals into community housing (with benefits) for years while America puts illegals into jail without their kids until they plead guilty and are fucked off whence they came? Or is this an unfair characterisation?

LOL. We either feed them lunch then drive them back across the border, or release them on their own recognizance on a promise to show up for their court date.

[MarcusAu]

How can you be rejected by UKIP? That is quite an accomplishment!

Possibly they heard about his Grandfather.

[Kirbmarc]

How can you be rejected by UKIP? That is quite an accomplishment!

Possibly they heard about his Grandfather.

Ah, yes, the "black grandfather" who then mutated into "my grandfather who was not fully considered white by some people while he was alive and might have been from Southern Europe and so be white but I'm not sure".

That was a great moment. :bjarte:

[MarcusAu]

If you are writing a CV and your primary activity for a 5 - 10 year period is: self-described 'online shitposter' - it's probably best to take a hard look at your life choices.

(And yes that applies to anyone).

[Brive1987]

Is the difference that Canada places arrested illegals into community housing (with benefits) for years while America puts illegals into jail without their kids until they plead guilty and are fucked off whence they came? Or is this an unfair characterisation?

LOL. We either feed them lunch then drive them back across the border, or release them on their own recognizance on a promise to show up for their court date.

Confused. Isn’t the whole child thing happening because 1000’s of mums and dads are now in jail?

For breaking the law ...

[Shatterface]

After the Left parties got battered in France, Austria, Germany , Italy, even in Britain where Corbyn managed to turn in Labour's 3rd election defeat in a row, Left wing parties have decided to become more 'populist' ie actually deign to consider that voters will vote for people who don't call them racist xenophobic bigots.

It won't be long before the SPD in Germany either vanishes or claims it wants to build a wall

And despite a swing to the Right in politics you people still insist that 'communism' is the real threat.

Left-leaning Pitters are more than happy to mock Corbyn. We don't need to look to Stalin to say 'Thay guy's a dangerous lunatic'. But how far to the Right do you have to go to find somebody the Alt-Right Pitters find unacceptable? Trump? No. Not even pro-genocide Russians qualify for criticism.

I say fuck Corbyn, fuck Momentum and fuck the SJWs.

Where, to the Right, do you draw the line?

[SM1957]

That is a good question. Which figure on the right are the Alt-Right pitters prepared to criticise? Come on guys. I'm waiting.....

[Kirbmarc]

Is the difference that Canada places arrested illegals into community housing (with benefits) for years while America puts illegals into jail without their kids until they plead guilty and are fucked off whence they came? Or is this an unfair characterisation?

LOL. We either feed them lunch then drive them back across the border, or release them on their own recognizance on a promise to show up for their court date.

Confused. Isn’t the whole child thing happening because 1000’s of mums and dads are now in jail?

For breaking the law ...

Illegal entry to the US was generally considered to be a misdemeanor, which usually meant no criminal prosecution, so parents and children could be housed in the same structures before they were either let in or deported. Under Obama the detention centers for children included mostly minors who had came without adults, and so NEEDED to be housed somewhere before you decided what to do with them. Keeping unaccompanied children somewhere where you can watch over them is a practical moral concern (nobody wants minors running around unsupervised). If they have parents or in general adult carers it's better to keep them together, of course, even if they're all eventually deported.

Under Trump prosecutors have been instructed to treat illegal entry as a crime, along with pre-trial detention in jails (which is a waste of time and money anyway). Children can't be housed in jails with their parents, so they have to be separated from their parents and be housed in the detention centers with the unaccompanied minors.

The whole thing is due to Trumpist virtue-signalling about being "tough on immigration" and to an attempt to intimidate other immigrants. There's no practical need to have time-consuming criminal trials for every illegal entry, or to move loads of illegal immigrants to the already over-crowded jails.

Also there's no way to efficiently keep track of the children housed in the detention centers for minors. Many children who HAD parents with them might find it hard to find them. This will only lead to MORE unaccompanied, unsupervised minors, whether they're eventually deported without their parents (and so come back to the US border to find them) or they manage to get lost in the US.

The whole thing is a moral and practical clusterfuck, and it's been done by the Trump administration for three reasons, all of which are a matter of propaganda rather than practicality: a) to show the Trump fan-base that he's being "tough" and "doing something" even though the infamous wall isn't coming anytime soon b) to attempt to reduce the number of immigrants coming to the US through fear and intimidation and c) to bully non-Trumpist authorities to accept the wall by saying that if there's no wall this will keep happening.

[rayshul]

Only 10-5% of the kids in detention have parents who came with them.

[SM1957]

I voted Lib Dem in the last election. There are still some of us. I am prepared to criticise Jeremy Thorpe. Of course, as a Liberal, he messed it up and only managed to hire a hitman who accidentally killed a dog.

Which inspired the film 'A Fish Called Wanda' - True fact

[SM1957]

Glad to see Kibmarc claiming some crimes should not be prosecuted because of the damaging social effects such prosecutions have.

Doubling Far Right membership inside a week and then doubling it again in another week might well count as against the public interest.

[Kirbmarc]

Some try to justify the administration policy by pointing out that people convicted of crimes are often imprisoned in ways that keep them apart from their children. But, in such cases, the children are left in the custody of relatives or guardians chosen by the family, not housed in harsh detention facilities.

Apples to oranges. First off, for most crimes, it is rare for both parents to be arrested. Even then, CPS can easily locate relatives or emergency foster care. That is simply impossible when apprehending large groups of illegals in the middle of the desert. Second, Somin falsely equates the long-term outcome of a domestic conviction with the short-term contingencies of arrest under atypical conditions.

[/quote]

The practical problem though is that those children, as you point out, cannot be easily placed with relatives or foster care. So the problem is with the Trump administration increasing the call for criminal trials and convictions for illegal entry. It'd be have been not to arrest the illegal immigrants but to place them with their children in the detention centers, even if they're eventually deported.

The Trump administration could have increased the support for policies of deportations without increasing criminal trials, and so without separating more families. They didn't, either to look tough with their base, or to intimidate future immigrants, or both.

If the parents are separated from the children and deported at different times from the children (as it seems to be the case) you're left with more unaccompanied minors around, minors who will either come back unaccompanied to the border looking for their parents or get lost in the US unsupervised. Neither seem like a good outcome.

[Kirbmarc]

Only 10-5% of the kids in detention have parents who came with them.

This might be true, but even with these numbers in the long term you're looking for a cumulative effect.

[SM1957]

There is a massive backlog at legal crossing points, which is why so many are trying to make it through illegal crossing points.

Trump is not interested in reducing the backlog.

[Keating]

#SlymePitMustDenounce

[Kirbmarc]

There is a massive backlog at legal crossing points, which is why so many are trying to make it through illegal crossing points.

Trump is not interested in reducing the backlog.

Yeah. And that's why he'll get more illegal entries.

The whole thing is just massively retarded. The Trump administration's approach to illegal immigration is based on the delusion that making it harder to come in legally AND trying to scare the illegal immigrants with criminal prosecution will decrease immigration in general. The only thing it'll do is convince immigrants to try to get in illegally and unnoticed. Just like the criminal prosecutions for the parents, which are then separated from their children, will only produce more unsupervised children.

I wouldn't be surprised if various criminals are promising parents to smuggle their children in through their channels, and if parents who know that if they get caught they'll lose their children anyway are actually giving them their kids, which then are used by the criminal groups. Lots of those children are young teens or pre-teens. Young teens or pre-teens without parents are often recruited by various criminal groups, because they're old enough to be used as drug couriers or for panhandling or for petty theft, but cannot be prosecuted as adults.

[Keating]

Stop the boats.

[Kirbmarc]

Glad to see Kibmarc claiming some crimes should not be prosecuted because of the damaging social effects such prosecutions have.

Doubling Far Right membership inside a week and then doubling it again in another week might well count as against the public interest.

Laws are made for a reason, which is to make sure that people's human rights are respected and crime is reduced. If a law produces more harm than good in some cases then discretionary enforcing might be needed. One of the reasons why vigilantism is bad because it has no records, so it's not accountable, and cannot be moderated if it's necessary to do so.

In the case of Tommy Robinson his stunts were threatening the outcome of a trail, harming the course of justice and potentially getting criminals released. He was warned to stop trying to be a vigilante, but didn't listen. Sure, he has his fans, as do many vigilantes, and he might have targeted some people who were guilty, as do many vigilantes. But he didn't deter any crime and didn't protect any human right.

The best thing he did was shed light on some cases, and even so he did it in the most unprofessional and unethical way, encouraging conspiracy theories, and disrupting the course of justice. There are lots of associations which are fighting against child sexual abuse, or criticizing islam, in a much better way, without violating laws or disrupting trials, but vigilantes like Tommy have actually attacked (not criticized, not argued they're ineffective) some of them (like when he went after Quilliam).

There's a big difference between trying to protect the rights of children and worrying that the arrest of a man who tried to disrupt a trial will get his fans unhappy.

[MarcusAu]

#SlymePitMustDenounce

That bridge has been crossed some time ago. For example, apparently people should be criticising the British government for legally refusing entry to whomever they wish to refuse entry to. (Although the legality of that decision is due to be determined in court - last I heard).

Really though - nobody has to announce, pronounce, renounce or denounce anyone or thing that they don't want to.

That said though word has it that Richard Spencer is just misunderstood. (At least in some people's eyes).

[DrokkIt]

This is a very good discussion.... IMHO.

Yes worth watching (Sue B almost gets to the crux of some of his dubious religious stuff) and reminds me what pisses me off about Peterson (among other things)
1. JD makes sweeping statement like the West is all brilliant hunky dory and "nothing like an African dictatorship".
Someone (who has done some homework) makes contrasting factual point, eg the high incarceration rate of the US , JD immediately concedes the point which contradicts his gospel (that things are are as black white as he suggests) and changes subject.
2. When asked if he believes in God, he says "depends what you mean by belief or God"
Interviewers don't seem to pin him down on definitions, his, or theirs OK , JD what the fuck do you mean by God, or do you believe in omniscient all powerful intelligent deity and creator of the universe or NOT
and he talks about "souls" yet he gets a free pass on this term (and others ) without defining it .

The moderator in this one (presumably a Christian) didnt do much, as I said before, JD needs better interviewers /chairs to pin him down.

Listened to this last night.

It's just going to reflect previous criticisms I've made of Peterson: the refusal to engage in using patently obvious terminology (he knows exactly what we all mean my 'believe' and 'god'), the overbearing generalisations of his arguments, and the stuffy tone/attitude he has a tendency to adopt.

I really think he evaded or ignored lots of Blackmore's ideas, and he was uncharitably aloof whereas she was at least interested in his ideas and approaching the whole thing with a sense of fun.

Peterson's argument that atheists aren't atheists if they behave in a way he determines is christian is utter shite, and conveniently posits him as final arbiter of what is and isn't christian. Voting in an election doesn't make you an Athenian.

His attempts to link mythology to biology are proper head-up-arse stuff as well, 3/10 see me.