Brive1987 wrote: ↑Oh look. We have the magically morphing race and ancestry.
Isn't race based on your ancestry? Barring mutations, it's your parents that give you the genes that you express in your body, and it's their parents who gave them their genes, etc. etc. If your ancestry is predominantly of a certain area you'll end up expressing a certain cluster of genes which give you an appearance (skin color, facial features, hair, eye color, etc.) that is identified as "race". Of course you could have social definitions, like in the US, when one ancestor of non-European origin would make you "non-white", even if you're "visibly white", but this is still related to your ancestry.
And the blanket assertion that “actually ancestry/race is NOT THAT IMPORTANT.” Thank you for that.
Here is a stinging retort. “actually shared culture is IMPORTANT”
Shared culture is not dependent on ancestry. Culture is taught, it's not innate within your genes. If you want to create a better model of shared culture focus on improving integration within shared institutions rather than on defining ancestry-based quotas.
And as a follow up, your last paragraph accurately describes the immigrant monoculture more so than the fragmented liberal West. The alt right, mad as some of them are, are the only players on our team in the game.
Tell me. What’s the story with the European Swiss in Turkey seeking to dismantle Ottoman privilege in favour of your liberal utopia. :lol: :lol:
There's no "utopia" I'm promising, I'm not about creating a "perfect society", only gradually dealing with some issues we have now in our ACTUAL liberal democracies while respecting liberal democratic values. You're the one who's all about chasing a mythical past no matter what.
Do I think that Turkey would work much better, with less inter-ethnic conflict, less domestic violence, less authoritarianism, a better economy, less regressive social structures, if it threw away the identitarian Muslim narrative of Erdogan? Absolutely. Why don't European Swiss move there to improve things? BECAUSE Turkey is an identitarian shithole, even more so these days. There's also no economic reason for Europeans Swiss to move to Turkey.