Fuck off, Jamie!

[SM1957]

Brianna Wu is natural born woman

[shoutinghorse]

What kind of fucked up alternate reality are we living in, where 'we aren't murdering nearly as many folks as we used to' is considered an argument-winning rebuttal?

Doesn't work for Nazis v Commies though. :think:

[Bhurzum]

Brianna Wu is natural born woman

https://www.utube.com/watch?v=WAZlf_9ObLg

FTFY ;)

[Kirbmarc]

If anyone is interested in the new OZ PM ... read this interview.

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/news/local ... ison-50827

Nb.

He wept for his granny during the interview.
He is a happy clapper evangelical
He had a hard upbringing with a policeman father
His wife’s only ambition was to be a mother and is clearly socially dysfunctional
He bought her a cat when they were first married so he could work all the time
“Lonely and increasingly desperate” god gave her a child or two and communicated via numerology
He knifed his way into preselection
He complained about the price of flying out the parents of illegal immigrants to the funeral of their child
He will flow where he will from faction to faction without loyalty
He hated same sex marriage because it was anti god rather than anti cultural
He hated that this might impede his political career
His collegues become more suspicious and cautious the more they know him

Ie he is a psychopath. And our prime minister.

This is what you get when you push for the alt-"lite". I'm sorry that this guy was elected. I know you didn't want this. But that's the endgame of the "defense of culture" poliitics.

[Kirbmarc]

So 1.8 people murdered weekly constitutes genocide?

And if the article is correct, the number of white farmers killed peaked in 2001-2002 and has been declining ever since then.

What kind of fucked up alternate reality are we living in, where 'we aren't murdering nearly as many folks as we used to' is considered an argument-winning rebuttal?

Sigh. It's not right, it's bad, but not genocide as we know it. Things getting better is sometimes simply the best we can do.

There's always going to be SOME degree of violence, and even more so in a country with high income inequality, poorly managed institutions and racial tensions. You can only reduce damage, not eliminate it.

It's the same thing with police shootings. You can improve things, but you can never have NO incidents of unharmed people killed by the police.

Demanding perfection is good for stirring crowds to action, but not very realistic.

[shoutinghorse]

We've been here before. :?



https://i.imgur.com/c1QFdif.jpg

[CommanderTuvok]

The #MeToo bandwagon gets around to former Scottish National Party leader, and now Russia Today shill host, Alex Salmond.

There was always something fishy about him. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. :lol:

What's even better, is it means he is involved in a legal battle with his beloved SNP, led by Nicola Sturgeon. The whole saga is rather fishy.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

An average of 52 people die in SA every day due to violent crime that's just over 19000 people a year. Farm murders stand at 1.8 a week.

I've seen this all over the place today, and while I have no clue as to what is happening in South Africa, I am not sure this is the best argument to ignore it.

Very few planes crash, so let's focus on breast cancer, there is little to be gained by spending time on airplane safety.
Very few Americans had lead in their pipes, so it's okay to ignore Detroit.
In 2017, just 17 unarmed black men were killed by police, so we really need to focus on murders in general.

Read the whole thread by Claire Lehman. The problems involved go deeper than racism against whites, and Southern's and others histrionics are hurting rather than helping white farmers. One of the easiest ways to get the vast public to dismiss a serious problem is having an obvious demagogue represent a cause, especially if they misrepresent the facts.

Firstly, what makes you so sure Southern is misrepresenting the facts? Secondly, the vast public doesn't need any help dismissing a problem which they might not even know about in the first place in the absence of "demagogues" like Southern.

The thread discusses how Southern misrepresented facts. As to Southern, her reach is only with people already in agreement with her. For most people, it is an easy excuse to dismiss the real problems along with her hyperbole. Imagine if Alex Jones discovered an alien cabal, a real one. Who the fuck would believe him? Some people are have a very toxic brand.

What is happening in South Africa is a crime. It's wrong, it has distinctly racist overtones and it should be investigated. But It's not genocide. And the far-right hyperbole allows people to dismiss the whole thing as a white supremacist conspiracy.

I'm glad Trump is looking into it, even though that will further marginalize the issue with knee-jerk types. If you want results, poke reputable journalism outlets into covering the story, not attention hogs or drama llamas.

I find myself agreeing with that view on occasion and I have to remind myself of something Karen Straughan said. Paul elam is often accused of being an extremist who gives the MRM a bad reputation. Straughan points out that Elam brings issues into the public sphere and moves the window of acceptable discussion. If not for Elam, people like Cassie Jaye would be the "extremists".

[Brive1987]

If anyone is interested in the new OZ PM ... read this interview.

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/news/local ... ison-50827

Nb.

He wept for his granny during the interview.
He is a happy clapper evangelical
He had a hard upbringing with a policeman father
His wife’s only ambition was to be a mother and is clearly socially dysfunctional
He bought her a cat when they were first married so he could work all the time
“Lonely and increasingly desperate” god gave her a child or two and communicated via numerology
He knifed his way into preselection
He complained about the price of flying out the parents of illegal immigrants to the funeral of their child
He will flow where he will from faction to faction without loyalty
He hated same sex marriage because it was anti god rather than anti cultural
He hated that this might impede his political career
His collegues become more suspicious and cautious the more they know him

Ie he is a psychopath. And our prime minister.

This is what you get when you push for the alt-"lite". I'm sorry that this guy was elected. I know you didn't want this. But that's the endgame of the "defense of culture" poliitics.

Scott will only defend culture if it’s in his own interest to do so. His personal beliefs form a second facet in his multi tiered onion skin of a personality. In fact his numbers came from a mobilisation of the centre left of the Liberals and is testimony to his capacity to be fluid. Now Dutton with his right faction would have been an alt-lite end game. But alt-lite doesn’t work without charisma. That was a dead end too.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

An average of 52 people die in SA every day due to violent crime that's just over 19000 people a year. Farm murders stand at 1.8 a week.

I've seen this all over the place today, and while I have no clue as to what is happening in South Africa, I am not sure this is the best argument to ignore it.

Very few planes crash, so let's focus on breast cancer, there is little to be gained by spending time on airplane safety.
Very few Americans had lead in their pipes, so it's okay to ignore Detroit.
In 2017, just 17 unarmed black men were killed by police, so we really need to focus on murders in general.

Read the whole thread by Claire Lehman. The problems involved go deeper than racism against whites, and Southern's and others histrionics are hurting rather than helping white farmers. One of the easiest ways to get the vast public to dismiss a serious problem is having an obvious demagogue represent a cause, especially if they misrepresent the facts.

Firstly, what makes you so sure Southern is misrepresenting the facts? Secondly, the vast public doesn't need any help dismissing a problem which they might not even know about in the first place in the absence of "demagogues" like Southern.

The thread discusses how Southern misrepresented facts. As to Southern, her reach is only with people already in agreement with her. For most people, it is an easy excuse to dismiss the real problems along with her hyperbole. Imagine if Alex Jones discovered an alien cabal, a real one. Who the fuck would believe him? Some people are have a very toxic brand.

What is happening in South Africa is a crime. It's wrong, it has distinctly racist overtones and it should be investigated. But It's not genocide. And the far-right hyperbole allows people to dismiss the whole thing as a white supremacist conspiracy.

I'm glad Trump is looking into it, even though that will further marginalize the issue with knee-jerk types. If you want results, poke reputable journalism outlets into covering the story, not attention hogs or drama llamas.

The thread does not demonstrate that Southern misrepresented facts. Take, for example, the claim that the "kill the Boer" song was deemed hate speech in 2012. Whether or not that is true, the fact is that Julius Malema has been getting away with singing it very publicly without consequence. Government statistics and claims of what is and is not legal or constitutional mean absolutely squat. And contrary to the bullshit spread around by apologists, whites do not own the majority of the land. The problem of farm murders is worse than officially acknowledged. The fact that there is a demographic with a statistically higher murder rate than any other in the world combined with a government that takes steps to play down the phenomenon is what makes the situation sinister. The government disbanded special units protecting farmers years ago.

[Keating]

It's pretty funny to hear anyone suggest anyone in the Liberal Party is even vaguely alt-lite. Both the Labor and Liberal parties are run of the mill neo-liberals of the type everyone's used to since the 90s. ScoMo is standard religious conservative in this light.

[Tigzy]

I concur. :snooty:




(Although I do actually like Baseball)

Okay, I'm gonna be controversial now and out-edge this by listing 6 things about Americans which are not irritating but are actually pretty fucking good. In no particular order:

1. American tourists. For all the talk of Americans being woefully ignorant of places overseas, when visiting countries such as my own they are invaribaly polite, good-natured and conscientious. They are, in fact, way better than tourists from any other country. Furthermore, Americans seem to actually like visiting other countries. Sure, sometimes they'll seize the country for its oil, but for the most part they make for splendid guests.

2. Americans were the only people who got the hang of the 1970s. They just did though. In the UK we had strikes, became the sick man of Europe, entertained our kids with terrifying, doom-laden public information films, had Jimmy Savile all over the place promoting railway travel and...uh, childminding (he really did!) and the one time the weather actually got warm we had a drought. In the US they had Farrah Fawcett, the end of the Vietnam war, skateboarding in the Californian sunshine and the nascent, grassroots stirrings of the stylish and properly damn cool fads of BMX and breakdancing. Take your pick.

3. Americans make fucking excellent films. There are probably many reasons why the US leads the film industry (okay, yeah, Bollywood - but really, that's just a niche product for a very large niche, that's all), not least of which is that the US has made some frankly amazing films over the years. I was lucky enough to grow up when the likes of Spielberg and Lucas were at their prime, bringing films which were not just films but cultural landmarks. In the meantime, the French remained snooty about their weird existentialist dramas whose only saving grace was the high chance of seeing some titty, and in the UK the arts council only ever seemed interested in funding films about gay socialist skinheads. Hmmm - will I see some weird shit directed by Derek Jarman or Indiana Jones? Tough choice, eh.

4. Americans gave us those gorgeous, long-legged bouncy-knockered blonde women who you used to see sitting on the shoulders of their boyfriends at Van Halen and Bruce Springsteen concerts. No other country produced anything like this. It truly encapsulated the joy of just living. Regrettably, we don't seem to see much of this anymore, so if you Americans would be kind enough to bring it back, that would be great.

5. Americans invented peanut butter and furthermore, they know how to use it. For the simple reason that when biting into a delicious Reese's peanut butter cup, the liberal use of peanut butter somehow actually makes American chocolate taste nice. Amazing!

6.There are still enough Americans who value the constitutional protection of free speech. Hang in there, guys. For those of us living in countries rapidly falling to semi-official thought policing, you're pretty much our last hope.

[Hunt]

Okay, I'm gonna be controversial now and out-edge this by listing 6 things about Americans which are not irritating but are actually pretty fucking good. In no particular order:

You're too kind. But I have heard on reliable sources that we make excellent sour cream.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

the first OPENLY transgender congressional candidate

We're just supposed to play along and pretend it isn't obvious, amirite?

[screwtape]

Saw this, don't know if it is closer to the truth than anything else. I do like the idea that Australia is the last place you would want to go to seek asylum since they treat asylum seekers so poorly :)

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/afri ... uth-africa

Actually, I rather wish there was no need for white Australians to flee to Canada and claim refugee status. Especially when they sue afterwards because we found their story a bit of a stretch.

Man who fled biker gang to become Australia's first known refugee sues Canadian officials after winning asylum

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Bottom line: saying anything in the least bit concerned about SA farmers, and you're gonna be labeled a racist.

[screwtape]

Wu has always been an easy comical shoop, but the grimacing is just an embarassment of riches.

It used to be a mild tic, something she'd do a couple of times an hour. But lately it's taken on a Tourettes-like urgency. At a recent event she attended, you can watch it erupt every half minute. Maybe it's time to see a doc.

And it might be happening because she has seen one. Worsening tics of orofacial muscles in adulthood might be Huntington's, but these days it would be vastly more common for it to be a medication side-effect. Major tranquillisers (butyrophenones, phenothiazines and atypicals), adrenergic stimulants (methylphenidate, dexamphetamine, cocaine) and even lowly SSRIs can all do it. I'd put my money on methylphenidate plus sertraline in the linked video.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

An average of 52 people die in SA every day due to violent crime that's just over 19000 people a year. Farm murders stand at 1.8 a week.

I've seen this all over the place today, and while I have no clue as to what is happening in South Africa, I am not sure this is the best argument to ignore it.

Very few planes crash, so let's focus on breast cancer, there is little to be gained by spending time on airplane safety.
Very few Americans had lead in their pipes, so it's okay to ignore Detroit.
In 2017, just 17 unarmed black men were killed by police, so we really need to focus on murders in general.

Read the whole thread by Claire Lehman. The problems involved go deeper than racism against whites, and Southern's and others histrionics are hurting rather than helping white farmers. One of the easiest ways to get the vast public to dismiss a serious problem is having an obvious demagogue represent a cause, especially if they misrepresent the facts.

Firstly, what makes you so sure Southern is misrepresenting the facts? Secondly, the vast public doesn't need any help dismissing a problem which they might not even know about in the first place in the absence of "demagogues" like Southern.

The thread discusses how Southern misrepresented facts. As to Southern, her reach is only with people already in agreement with her. For most people, it is an easy excuse to dismiss the real problems along with her hyperbole. Imagine if Alex Jones discovered an alien cabal, a real one. Who the fuck would believe him? Some people are have a very toxic brand.

What is happening in South Africa is a crime. It's wrong, it has distinctly racist overtones and it should be investigated. But It's not genocide. And the far-right hyperbole allows people to dismiss the whole thing as a white supremacist conspiracy.

I'm glad Trump is looking into it, even though that will further marginalize the issue with knee-jerk types. If you want results, poke reputable journalism outlets into covering the story, not attention hogs or drama llamas.

The thread does not demonstrate that Southern misrepresented facts. Take, for example, the claim that the "kill the Boer" song was deemed hate speech in 2012. Whether or not that is true, the fact is that Julius Malema has been getting away with singing it very publicly without consequence. Government statistics and claims of what is and is not legal or constitutional mean absolutely squat. And contrary to the bullshit spread around by apologists, whites do not own the majority of the land. The problem of farm murders is worse than officially acknowledged. The fact that there is a demographic with a statistically higher murder rate than any other in the world combined with a government that takes steps to play down the phenomenon is what makes the situation sinister. The government disbanded special units protecting farmers years ago.

It seems SA is a dangerous place for everybody if the crime rates are true. I'm not disbelieving you, but where are you getting your data? Most sources seem to indicate that farm attacks are decreasing.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

The land expropriation without compensation, regardless of the farm attack numbers, should mobilize the international community. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening.

[Lsuoma]

Wu has always been an easy comical shoop, but the grimacing is just an embarassment of riches.

It used to be a mild tic, something she'd do a couple of times an hour. But lately it's taken on a Tourettes-like urgency. At a recent event she attended, you can watch it erupt every half minute. Maybe it's time to see a doc.

And it might be happening because she has seen one. Worsening tics of orofacial muscles in adulthood might be Huntington's, but these days it would be vastly more common for it to be a medication side-effect. Major tranquillisers (butyrophenones, phenothiazines and atypicals), adrenergic stimulants (methylphenidate, dexamphetamine, cocaine) and even lowly SSRIs can all do it. I'd put my money on methylphenidate plus sertraline in the linked video.

Do you also think Peezy has a dose because he has a sore knee?

[shoutinghorse]

5. Americans invented peanut butter and furthermore, they know how to use it. For the simple reason that when biting into a delicious Reese's peanut butter cup, the liberal use of peanut butter somehow actually makes American chocolate taste nice. Amazing!

They know how to use it? :o By putting it on a sandwich with Jam ffs ... JAM! . Jam is for scones and cakes Sir. :x

Also a Canadian invented peanut butter and the Aztecs used peanut paste to ease toothache.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellus_Gilmore_Edson

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Jeez, I observe at WEIT that maybe not all sign shooting in the rural South is due to racism, as opposed to the local custom of ... shooting signs, and the resident SJWs make me out as a member of the KKK already:
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.co ... n-america/

Oh, and Ken K. Kucek can't resit interjecting the non sequitur about how it's gotta be racist for a rural Georgia county to close polling stations and switch to absentee ballots -- just like hundreds of other rural counties in the country. Cuz blacks, despite being absolutely equal to whites in every way imaginable (except in ways they are superior to whites), somehow aren't as equally capable of asking for, then filling out, an absentee ballot. Because: Slavery.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Saw this, don't know if it is closer to the truth than anything else. I do like the idea that Australia is the last place you would want to go to seek asylum since they treat asylum seekers so poorly :)

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/afri ... uth-africa

I love how the genocide concept is put up as a strawman.

Even though the rural Afrikaan speaking people are a distinct ethnic people
Even though the Govt has explicitly said that they would and should target them for destruction ‘in part or whole’
Even though the constitution is being changed so their land can be stolen “legally”
Even though there is tacit and probably explicit Govt support for violent murder to soften them up.

But no. There are no gas chambers, no holocaust, no genocide and nothing to see here.

Straw everywhere.

There is straw everywhere, mostly being flung by yourself.

So 1.8 people murdered weekly constitutes genocide? Sort of a slo-mo sorta thing then? At this rate a lot of them will die of natural causes before their genocide turn comes up. I agree that the government is unfairly targeting whites, and that what is happening is a tragedy. It deserves widespread, fair reporting and condemnation. But genocide it isn't. And the exaggerations help nobody, it's the boy that cried wolf for most people now. It might also help to factor in the 52 people being murdered a day, last I checked they were people too. The whole of South Africa is a tragedy.

The black population have a solution open to them for their problems. Nobody is forcing them to continue voting for a bunch of crooks. The plight of SARS, the revenue service, illustrates ANC rule. SARS has continued until very recently to function relatively well under ANC rule because they didn't fuck too much with it. Now it is broken because the head honcho, Moyane, decided it needed restructuring. They brought in a consultancy which presented 4 models, each making minor adjustments, which were then ignored in favour of a plan which deep-sixed compliance monitoring and left decisions regarding major accounts in the hands of Moyane's henchman, Makwakwa. The Gupta's, who effectively ran SA under ZUMA, were illegally granted big tax rebates. Makwaka is known to have been shoving large amounts of cash into ATMs and has living expenses of at least 3 times his salary. Makwaka and SARS staff refuse to povide answers to investigators looking into the debacle. Moyane has tried to tell Ramaphosa to get the fuck out of SARS business. We periodically hear about a new dawn which is going to sweep away corruption in government.Never happens.

This is why I find Kirbmarc's near blank slate views so laughable. Nations are not cultural clay which you can mould into sophisticated states by magic. South Africa's constitution looks great on paper. He doesn't live in the real world.

If you take the given murder stats as true, which they probably aren't, that puts the incidence at less than 1 in 500 per year. There is evidence that this is not just crime. At least part of it is intended to drive people off the land. The threat is not just against the farmer. The farmer's family can expect to be brutalised and probably killed as well.The farmers I know carry guns with them at all times. They do this for a reason. Once their land is expropriated they can be expected to be saddled with some of the debt on the property with no way to pay it back and a government which is quite happy to see them starve. The justification for widespread expropriation relies on gross exaggerations of the extent of land theft by whites and on hyperbolic bullshit about connection to the land. Funny thing about the old program of redistribution is that most claimants would choose money when given a choice between the land and a cash settlement.

[free thoughtpolice]

5. Americans invented peanut butter and furthermore, they know how to use it. For the simple reason that when biting into a delicious Reese's peanut butter cup, the liberal use of peanut butter somehow actually makes American chocolate taste nice. Amazing!

They know how to use it? :o By putting it on a sandwich with Jam ffs ... JAM! . Jam is for scones and cakes Sir. :x

Also a Canadian invented peanut butter and the Aztecs used peanut paste to ease toothache.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellus_Gilmore_Edson

We all know that peanut butter was invented in Africa, along with everything else. Except for patents. Those were invented in Yurp to steal inventions from Africa.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Saw this, don't know if it is closer to the truth than anything else. I do like the idea that Australia is the last place you would want to go to seek asylum since they treat asylum seekers so poorly :)

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/afri ... uth-africa

I love how the genocide concept is put up as a strawman.

Even though the rural Afrikaan speaking people are a distinct ethnic people
Even though the Govt has explicitly said that they would and should target them for destruction ‘in part or whole’
Even though the constitution is being changed so their land can be stolen “legally”
Even though there is tacit and probably explicit Govt support for violent murder to soften them up.

But no. There are no gas chambers, no holocaust, no genocide and nothing to see here.

Straw everywhere.

There is straw everywhere, mostly being flung by yourself.

So 1.8 people murdered weekly constitutes genocide? Sort of a slo-mo sorta thing then? At this rate a lot of them will die of natural causes before their genocide turn comes up. I agree that the government is unfairly targeting whites, and that what is happening is a tragedy. It deserves widespread, fair reporting and condemnation. But genocide it isn't. And the exaggerations help nobody, it's the boy that cried wolf for most people now. It might also help to factor in the 52 people being murdered a day, last I checked they were people too. The whole of South Africa is a tragedy.

And if the article is correct, the number of white farmers killed peaked in 2001-2002 and has been declining ever since then.

Even if that is correct, which I would take with a pinch of salt, the population of white farmers has just about halved since then.

[shoutinghorse]

[free thoughtpolice]

PZ is out to overtake Jordan Petersen in his role as darling of the youtubes and if his choice in hats is any indication he is well on his way.

[Guest_b8931fdb]

I find myself agreeing with that view on occasion and I have to remind myself of something Karen Straughan said. Paul elam is often accused of being an extremist who gives the MRM a bad reputation. Straughan points out that Elam brings issues into the public sphere and moves the window of acceptable discussion. If not for Elam, people like Cassie Jaye would be the "extremists".

I think Straughan is wrong about that.

Contrast Peterson, Jaye and Elam. Peterson has gotten people talking and shifted windows. Elam is reviled and has made the term MRA reviled. Elam is nowhere to be seen and set "the cause" of mens rights back by decades. Literally, if not for Elam, Cassie Jaye would not have had her film shutdown in many places for defending MRAs.

[MarcusAu]

I think Straughan is wrong about that.

Contrast Peterson, Jaye and Elam. Peterson has gotten people talking and shifted windows. Elam is reviled and has made the term MRA reviled. Elam is nowhere to be seen and set "the cause" of mens rights back by decades. Literally, if not for Elam, Cassie Jaye would not have had her film shutdown in many places for defending MRAs.

I know that Peterson had some comments to make about MRA's that he has since withdrawn and/or apologised for. But I still think there is an incompatibility in their world views.

Peterson says that it is important for men to perform their traditional roles - ie to form families and be a provider for women and children.

The MRA's position is that while modern society sucks for men - the traditional role for them was no bed of roses either.

Whether for not the token concessions offered by Peterson are enough is any ones guess. (I haven't been following any MRA forum closely enough to tell).

[John D]

It seems SA is a dangerous place for everybody if the crime rates are true. I'm not disbelieving you, but where are you getting your data? Most sources seem to indicate that farm attacks are decreasing.

Here is the official news from National Public Radio... you know... the radio broadcast that is subsidized by the Federal Government in the US. I listened to the program they call "1A" which is their news discussion program that is focused on "free speech."

1) Start the broadcast by reading a tweet that states "Haha... those poor White South African Farmers!"

2) Repatriation of land in South Africa is in their constitution and the whites have been putting it off. The whites agreed to giving up their land already.

3) SA has only forced a few people off their land so it doesn't matter.

4) All the whites stole all the land from the blacks in the past and need to return it.

5) SA will handle this super well because Zimbabwe messed it up and SA doesn't want to mess up so SA will not mess up.

6) The Trump tweet is only about Dog-Whistling to the alt-right.

7) The number of murders of farmers is going down so the story of violence against whites is false.

8) Trump has destroyed our "good relationship" with the South African Government.

9) The ANC is doing great because they are trying to appease the competing political party who really will take all the land from the whites. Yea Mandella!

Please take note. I am not exaggerating this. The entire panel blamed this story on the alt-right whipping people up and telling lies about the land and about the violence.

I will repeat what I wrote yesterday. South Africa is fucked. Very sad.

[Ape+lust]

Wu has always been an easy comical shoop, but the grimacing is just an embarassment of riches.

It used to be a mild tic, something she'd do a couple of times an hour. But lately it's taken on a Tourettes-like urgency. At a recent event she attended, you can watch it erupt every half minute. Maybe it's time to see a doc.

And it might be happening because she has seen one. Worsening tics of orofacial muscles in adulthood might be Huntington's, but these days it would be vastly more common for it to be a medication side-effect. Major tranquillisers (butyrophenones, phenothiazines and atypicals), adrenergic stimulants (methylphenidate, dexamphetamine, cocaine) and even lowly SSRIs can all do it. I'd put my money on methylphenidate plus sertraline in the linked video.

Whooo... I hadn't considered any of that. I've felt the tight face/jaw that can come with using stimulants.

Whatever she's doing, IF she's doing it, I hope it's not tweaking. Wu's scorched brain couldn't stand any more roasting.

[Ape+lust]

It seems SA is a dangerous place for everybody if the crime rates are true. I'm not disbelieving you, but where are you getting your data? Most sources seem to indicate that farm attacks are decreasing.

Here is the official news from National Public Radio... you know... the radio broadcast that is subsidized by the Federal Government in the US. I listened to the program they call "1A" which is their news discussion program that is focused on "free speech."

1) Start the broadcast by reading a tweet that states "Haha... those poor White South African Farmers!"

2) Repatriation of land in South Africa is in their constitution and the whites have been putting it off. The whites agreed to giving up their land already.

3) SA has only forced a few people off their land so it doesn't matter.

4) All the whites stole all the land from the blacks in the past and need to return it.

5) SA will handle this super well because Zimbabwe messed it up and SA doesn't want to mess up so SA will not mess up.

6) The Trump tweet is only about Dog-Whistling to the alt-right.

7) The number of murders of farmers is going down so the story of violence against whites is false.

8) Trump has destroyed our "good relationship" with the South African Government.

9) The ANC is doing great because they are trying to appease the competing political party who really will take all the land from the whites. Yea Mandella!

Please take note. I am not exaggerating this. The entire panel blamed this story on the alt-right whipping people up and telling lies about the land and about the violence.

I will repeat what I wrote yesterday. South Africa is fucked. Very sad.

Well, you knew they would do this. Doesn't make it less shitty, but the whole world has gone Tumblr, we just live in it.

Here is CNN:

https://imgur.com/MRfWdsH.png

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics ... index.html

[Tigzy]

They know how to use it? :o By putting it on a sandwich with Jam ffs ... JAM! . Jam is for scones and cakes Sir. :x

Also a Canadian invented peanut butter and the Aztecs used peanut paste to ease toothache.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellus_Gilmore_Edson

Okay, so Americans invented peanut butter in the same way that Marconi invented the radio - in he didn't actually invent it, but instead realised and demonstrated to the world all the extraordinary things that could be done with it. In short, invented it as a viable...thing, or whatever.

[Lsuoma]

Whatever she's doing, IF she's doing it, I hope it's not tweaking. Wu's scorched brain couldn't stand any more roasting.

Even worse, he could be twerking. And no, that's not an invitation for you to shoop anything...

[Ape+lust]

5. Americans invented peanut butter and furthermore, they know how to use it. For the simple reason that when biting into a delicious Reese's peanut butter cup, the liberal use of peanut butter somehow actually makes American chocolate taste nice. Amazing!

They know how to use it? :o By putting it on a sandwich with Jam ffs ... JAM! . Jam is for scones and cakes Sir. :x

Dude, the stuff is like crack. We lost American Number One to PB&J, so have a care.

https://imgur.com/YNaQ6xR.jpg

[SM1957]

If the number of white farmers in South Africa halves in two decades, and the number of Palestinians in Gaza almost doubles in two decades. where is the genocide happening?

[Ape+lust]

Even worse, he could be twerking. And no, that's not an invitation for you to shoop anything...

What, and undo her ladylike poise?

(That screaming midget she married probably already has her doing it. The little freak is smitten with his hulking galoot)

https://imgur.com/1lcAsGQ.jpg

[free thoughtpolice]

If the number of white farmers in South Africa halves in two decades, and the number of Palestinians in Gaza almost doubles in two decades. where is the genocide happening?

According to the UN definition, Canada.

[shoutinghorse]

I thought Elvis died shitting out half a dozen burgers.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

The black population have a solution open to them for their problems. Nobody is forcing them to continue voting for a bunch of crooks. The plight of SARS, the revenue service, illustrates ANC rule. SARS has continued until very recently to function relatively well under ANC rule because they didn't fuck too much with it. Now it is broken because the head honcho, Moyane, decided it needed restructuring. They brought in a consultancy which presented 4 models, each making minor adjustments, which were then ignored in favour of a plan which deep-sixed compliance monitoring and left decisions regarding major accounts in the hands of Moyane's henchman, Makwakwa. The Gupta's, who effectively ran SA under ZUMA, were illegally granted big tax rebates. Makwaka is known to have been shoving large amounts of cash into ATMs and has living expenses of at least 3 times his salary. Makwaka and SARS staff refuse to povide answers to investigators looking into the debacle. Moyane has tried to tell Ramaphosa to get the fuck out of SARS business. We periodically hear about a new dawn which is going to sweep away corruption in government.Never happens.

My sister ran a kids' charity program for several years in SA, under the auspices of its Film Ministry. When her US org finally packed it in due to increasing logistical chaos, they uncovered that the grant for the program was double what they'd been budgeted. The other half disappeared into the pockets of the corrupt bureaucrats.

Indeed, the 'blank state humanity' assumption is bullshit and bound to cause misery when relied on. The colonial & white minority regimes of Africa may have been unjust. But they were efficient, and abrupt elision of them left a vacuum into which the tyro, the avaricious, the vendetta-carrying, and the unscrupulous quickly filled.

And if anyone thinks I'm just picking on darkies, the current mafia-state in Russia is another example of this maxim.

[John D]

The story stays interesting.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Okay, I've already posted the shitty punk song, Elvis Is Dead, and Elvis' original version of Whole Lotta Rosie (covered admirably by AC/DC). But I don't have the spoons to do so again, despite them both being again germane to the discussion at hand. So please enact the labor and search for them, and you will rejoice. Amen.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Okay, so Americans invented peanut butter in the same way that Marconi invented the radio

Who invented macaroni, then?

[John D]

And a good rant here I think... and styx is at least wearing a shirt today.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

It seems SA is a dangerous place for everybody if the crime rates are true. I'm not disbelieving you, but where are you getting your data? Most sources seem to indicate that farm attacks are decreasing.

Here is the official news from National Public Radio... you know... the radio broadcast that is subsidized by the Federal Government in the US. I listened to the program they call "1A" which is their news discussion program that is focused on "free speech."

1) Start the broadcast by reading a tweet that states "Haha... those poor White South African Farmers!"

2) Repatriation of land in South Africa is in their constitution and the whites have been putting it off. The whites agreed to giving up their land already.

3) SA has only forced a few people off their land so it doesn't matter.

4) All the whites stole all the land from the blacks in the past and need to return it.

5) SA will handle this super well because Zimbabwe messed it up and SA doesn't want to mess up so SA will not mess up.

6) The Trump tweet is only about Dog-Whistling to the alt-right.

7) The number of murders of farmers is going down so the story of violence against whites is false.

8) Trump has destroyed our "good relationship" with the South African Government.

9) The ANC is doing great because they are trying to appease the competing political party who really will take all the land from the whites. Yea Mandella!

Please take note. I am not exaggerating this. The entire panel blamed this story on the alt-right whipping people up and telling lies about the land and about the violence.

I will repeat what I wrote yesterday. South Africa is fucked. Very sad.

NPR has become National Trans Radio instead, with a blatant agenda and a callous disregard for the institution they're turning into the left-wing Fox News. I only listen now when I'm driving tired and want to angry myself awake.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

I thought Elvis died shitting out half a dozen burgers.

What a legacy. Years as an idol, and then remembered as a drugged-up fatty dying on the shitter. There's a moral there, somewhere.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Okay, so Americans invented peanut butter in the same way that Marconi invented the radio

Who invented macaroni, then?

Marconi's macaroni wasn't as good as Mussolini's tortellini.

[Guest_b8931fdb]

And a good rant here I think... and styx is at least wearing a shirt today.

00:24 censorship filter land expropriation is
00:27 nothing more than stealing and is in
00:29 fact an offshoot of communist rhetoric
00:32 in the most literal sense it's stealing
00:34 what's happening in South Africa right
00:36 now is that a government that leans
00:38 heavily to the left is stealing people's
00:41 land based on the color of their skin in
00:44 order to be to right wrongs do justice
00:48 for things that happened a very very
00:50 long time ago involving nobody alive
00:52 today that's what's happening

Involving nobody alive today? This video would be quite a bit better if Styx acknowledged the very recent situation in South Africa.

[Guest_b8931fdb]

I think Straughan is wrong about that.

Contrast Peterson, Jaye and Elam. Peterson has gotten people talking and shifted windows. Elam is reviled and has made the term MRA reviled. Elam is nowhere to be seen and set "the cause" of mens rights back by decades. Literally, if not for Elam, Cassie Jaye would not have had her film shutdown in many places for defending MRAs.

I know that Peterson had some comments to make about MRA's that he has since withdrawn and/or apologised for. But I still think there is an incompatibility in their world views.

Peterson says that it is important for men to perform their traditional roles - ie to form families and be a provider for women and children.

The MRA's position is that while modern society sucks for men - the traditional role for them was no bed of roses either.

Whether for not the token concessions offered by Peterson are enough is any ones guess. (I haven't been following any MRA forum closely enough to tell).

> The MRA's position is that while modern society sucks for men - the traditional role for them was no bed of roses either.

As not an MRA (largely because of Paul Elam) and mostly just a guy once interested but on the sidelines, I'd say they do say that, and I think Karen expresses it well with "men are disposable", but I don't believe that's a major tenet of the "classic MRA" movement, but is more of the main issues of the MGTOW red pillers.

https://ncfm.org/know-the-issues/mens-rights-issues/

The National Coalation For Men, the men's rights group that's been around since 1977 says:

NCFM formed in 1977 to address men’s issues. Since that time, a men’s rights movement has been steadily growing globally to address men’s rights that have been seriously neglected in laws and public policies worldwide. Men have been systematically discriminated against in parenting rights, child custody, criminal entencing, military conscription, education, domestic and sexual violence laws that neglect male victims and support false accusations, reproductive rights, genital integrity laws, international forced labor laws, public benefits and more, while men and boys face societal misandry and male bashing. Men make 80-99% of homeless adults, job deaths and injuries, incercarated persons, combat deaths, dropouts and suicide deaths (“attempted” suicide rates are unreliable because it is unlikely men report failed suicides as often as women do). Men also die younger than women and have higher mortality rates for 13 of the 15 leading causes of death. But instead of hearing about these disparities we relentlessly hear about gender disparities at the top of society (government officials, CEOs), which exist mainly due to expectation gaps (women still seek men who can be primary breadwinners) and because women have more options than men to be the primary parent, an option most women choose. The so-called “pay gap” is only a snapshot of average yearly full-time salaries, which does not account for overtime (90% male), commute distances, work flexibility, and numerous life choices, which, according to a recent study by the U.S. Department of Labor, are more likely the causes of the pay gap than discrimination. The fact that men make the majority of elected officials and business owners does not mean men’s issues are adequately addressed. That is what Warren Farrell aptly calls “the myth of male power.” (See “The Myth of Male Power; Why Men Are The Disposable Sex” by Warren Farrell, Ph.D.)

and then lists

fathers issues
men's health
criminal sentencing
forced labor
domestic violence
male rape victims
false accusations of rape
military conscription
the "pay gap"
circumcision
reproductive rights
the "housework" myth

There's nothing in there that either conflicts with Peterson, the two issues are mostly skew, and the emphasis on fathers issues and other issues like the "pay gap", reproductive rights and the housework myth show lots of room for common ground.

My guess is you could put Warren Farrell and Jordan Peterson in a room together to talk about men's issues and they'd get along just fine. And googling, there's a youtube of them doing this.

[Brive1987]

:lol: :lol:

[John D]

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[Brive1987]

And a good rant here I think... and styx is at least wearing a shirt today.
h.ttps://.www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxL1qUUlLY0

00:24 censorship filter land expropriation is
00:27 nothing more than stealing and is in
00:29 fact an offshoot of communist rhetoric
00:32 in the most literal sense it's stealing
00:34 what's happening in South Africa right
00:36 now is that a government that leans
00:38 heavily to the left is stealing people's
00:41 land based on the color of their skin in
00:44 order to be to right wrongs do justice
00:48 for things that happened a very very
00:50 long time ago involving nobody alive
00:52 today that's what's happening

Involving nobody alive today? This video would be quite a bit better if Styx acknowledged the very recent situation in South Africa.

Disagree. This particular point was clearly addressing the Govt pitch that expropriation redresses 18th and 19th century original sin.

:bjarte:

[Lsuoma]

Who's that?

Also, Sarah Sanders has the shittiest job in the whole world right now. Bwahahahahahahaha!

[John D]

Who's that?

Also, Sarah Sanders has the shittiest job in the whole world right now. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Sam Harris

[KiwiInOz]

Wu has always been an easy comical shoop, but the grimacing is just an embarassment of riches.

It used to be a mild tic, something she'd do a couple of times an hour. But lately it's taken on a Tourettes-like urgency. At a recent event she attended, you can watch it erupt every half minute. Maybe it's time to see a doc.

And it might be happening because she has seen one. Worsening tics of orofacial muscles in adulthood might be Huntington's, but these days it would be vastly more common for it to be a medication side-effect. Major tranquillisers (butyrophenones, phenothiazines and atypicals), adrenergic stimulants (methylphenidate, dexamphetamine, cocaine) and even lowly SSRIs can all do it. I'd put my money on methylphenidate plus sertraline in the linked video.

That, and resting raptor face.

[Hunt]

I thought Elvis died shitting out half a dozen burgers.

What a legacy. Years as an idol, and then remembered as a drugged-up fatty dying on the shitter. There's a moral there, somewhere.

Never meet with Richard Nixon.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... lvybv3dakg

[DaveDodo007]

The #MeToo bandwagon gets around to former Scottish National Party leader, and now Russia Today shill host, Alex Salmond.

There was always something fishy about him. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. :lol:

What's even better, is it means he is involved in a legal battle with his beloved SNP, led by Nicola Sturgeon. The whole saga is rather fishy.

ME And you have always known the retarded mongs were always projecting, nearly all lefty/liberals like fucking kids the peado scum sucking maggots. Thought even here we are no allowed to point out the lefty/liberal peado ways. OK ban me for pointing out that all (yes all) lefty/liberals love to abuse and fuck children. THE SICK fucks and fuck them.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

I find myself agreeing with that view on occasion and I have to remind myself of something Karen Straughan said. Paul elam is often accused of being an extremist who gives the MRM a bad reputation. Straughan points out that Elam brings issues into the public sphere and moves the window of acceptable discussion. If not for Elam, people like Cassie Jaye would be the "extremists".

I think Straughan is wrong about that.

Contrast Peterson, Jaye and Elam. Peterson has gotten people talking and shifted windows. Elam is reviled and has made the term MRA reviled. Elam is nowhere to be seen and set "the cause" of mens rights back by decades. Literally, if not for Elam, Cassie Jaye would not have had her film shutdown in many places for defending MRAs.

If not for Elam, Cassie Jaye may never have heard of the MRM. Feminism has had such a hold over the public gender discussion that that the mere idea of an MRM has always aroused instant ridicule. That is until the likes of Elam came along and riled people up enough to take on the MRM. Some of those people have come face to face with their prejudices and brainwashing and had a bit of an epiphany. Feminists were quite happy when the MRM made no waves and could be safely ignored. Gynocentrism is so ingrained that it takes shock tactics to wake people up,

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

I think Straughan is wrong about that.

Contrast Peterson, Jaye and Elam. Peterson has gotten people talking and shifted windows. Elam is reviled and has made the term MRA reviled. Elam is nowhere to be seen and set "the cause" of mens rights back by decades. Literally, if not for Elam, Cassie Jaye would not have had her film shutdown in many places for defending MRAs.

I know that Peterson had some comments to make about MRA's that he has since withdrawn and/or apologised for. But I still think there is an incompatibility in their world views.

Peterson says that it is important for men to perform their traditional roles - ie to form families and be a provider for women and children.

The MRA's position is that while modern society sucks for men - the traditional role for them was no bed of roses either.

Whether for not the token concessions offered by Peterson are enough is any ones guess. (I haven't been following any MRA forum closely enough to tell).

Elam's take on the notpology is interesting whether you believe it or not. He basically said that Peterson was conflicted in his apology. He observes that Peterson apologised, then immediately qualified his apology in such a way that he looked as if he was acting out of his programming and was a little lost. He casts Peterson as the overachieving son playing a role and conforming to expectations.

[Guest_b8931fdb]

I find myself agreeing with that view on occasion and I have to remind myself of something Karen Straughan said. Paul elam is often accused of being an extremist who gives the MRM a bad reputation. Straughan points out that Elam brings issues into the public sphere and moves the window of acceptable discussion. If not for Elam, people like Cassie Jaye would be the "extremists".

I think Straughan is wrong about that.

Contrast Peterson, Jaye and Elam. Peterson has gotten people talking and shifted windows. Elam is reviled and has made the term MRA reviled. Elam is nowhere to be seen and set "the cause" of mens rights back by decades. Literally, if not for Elam, Cassie Jaye would not have had her film shutdown in many places for defending MRAs.

If not for Elam, Cassie Jaye may never have heard of the MRM. Feminism has had such a hold over the public gender discussion that that the mere idea of an MRM has always aroused instant ridicule. That is until the likes of Elam came along and riled people up enough to take on the MRM. Some of those people have come face to face with their prejudices and brainwashing and had a bit of an epiphany. Feminists were quite happy when the MRM made no waves and could be safely ignored. Gynocentrism is so ingrained that it takes shock tactics to wake people up,

Before Elam there was

Warren Farrell
NCFM
Glenn Sacks, Fathers & Families
Karen DeCrow
Cathy Young
Wendy McElroy
Fathers for Life
New York Times

One of those guys in particular, Glenn Sacks was getting quite a bit of traction, he had a lot of successful campaigns, and was getting interviewed on primetime tv, the morning shows, national radio and in print. And of course Cathy Young was being published in Salon and elsewhere at the time, and Wendy McElroy was being published well too.

Paul Elam came in as a cartoon villain and blew it all up with his incredibly violent rants (*) and made MRA the evil word and group that deserves deplatforming and is widely mocked today. (*) He later claimed all of these were satire and parodies and indeed some obviously were, but many like Register-Her, were not and were clearly bad ideas then and now. A complete and total jackass.