Brive1987 wrote: ↑
A Trump in a shit hole country is chaos. A Trump in America is manageable creative disruption. Regardless of whether you support his actions or not. That’s because there is historical capacity to draw on. In any case, Trump is disruption addressing nascent dysfunction.
Trump is increasing polarization and instability in the US. The US might be strong enough not to be affected too much in the long run, but he's not creating anything, just disrupting established rules and institutions. A supporter of order and structure should definitely see him as a threat, even if not an existential threat. Just because your ship is steady you shouldn't go around poking holes in the hull.
A strong family can support a member who goes tangential. A strong community can weather a literal storm. A strong society can support non economically productive creative elements. But as studies show, diversity is not our strength. Rather, in excess it sucks social capital from the system.
The US have been and are very diverse, and the most diverse areas are some of the most successful areas, too (California, New York, etc.). Deliberately disruptive, divisive and authoritarian elements can surely have negative effects, but that requires more than just "diversity". Disparity and double standards (of many different kinds) are much more disruptive.
A strong element of social conservatism provides the fuel for parallel social-liberal endeavour. Collectives are (of course) stronger than their parts and they provide individuals with their safety net. Doesn’t mean we have to go to extremes of course. So don’t erect that straw man. Though we should probably note the pendulum has swung to an unacceptable individualist level for continued strength.
Institutions running on precisely defined and robust principles provide the backbone of society. It's when the institutions are attacked and start acting in a way that is too blatantly biased and/or corrupt that trust and civic participation diminish and with them also order and stability. Political and ideological polarization and corruption get people to be either fanatics unable to come to reasonable compromises or disaffected by politics, leading to the collapse of the center and increasing political violence and Manichean thinking. When less "normies" vote, it's easier for fringes of extremists to take over some political parties.
Lack of meaningful reforms is also a huge issue in terms of stability and order. If a structure has become highly dysfunctional and affects people in a negative and especially disproportionate way trust in political institutions in general tends to fall, since they've seen as inefficient or even worse just a tool of a specific social group.
As a wise man once said. You sleep under the blanket of the freedom that cultural-collectives provide, but you question the manner in which they have been provided. It would be better if you just said "thanks", and carried on.
I think you missed the point of "A Few Good Men". The general had given orders that had contributed to the death of one of his soldiers just because the soldier was unfit for service, then tried to cover up his screw up by lying and obfuscating evidence. So much for stable order. Using the system to promote your own agenda and cover up your failures isn't supporting order, it's screwing with order and trust for your ends.
It was in the courtroom where the order of the rule of law was re-established, and those guilty of some crimes were punished. An eloquent speech doesn't change that.