I think that's Bex superimposed on that clerk of courts broad from Kentucky who wouldn't give out marriage licenses to gays.Scented Nectar wrote: ↑ Hi, you guys! Came back to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and all that stuff. Even to you, Lsuoma, you fascist piece of tit, you. :D
And, to say sorry to hear about what you and your dad have gone through, Franc. Sounds like quite a bad trip. I got an email notice to your blogpost, since I subscribed to new posts years ago.
And, I'm also posting because I absolutely have to ask Ape+lust, is this picture of good old Rebecca for real, or a photoshop?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!! Holy fuck if that's how she's got herself looking these days.Oh, and who is "moneybags"? Has she found some rich guy to abuse, use, and parasitize? I am sooo behind on all the gossip of that whole collection of idiotic atheism+ers.Ape+lust wrote: ↑ A lumpy potato might get its Preciousss-s-s-s tonight and start reverting to form :twatson:
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Moneybags should ask himself:
Was she wearing makeup every day 2 months ago? Was she combing her hair every day 6 months ago? Was he getting 3 hummers a day a month ago?
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Happy New Year!
Reminder: This boob has a newworldwide embarrassment book due this year.
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Nailed it :clap:TheMudbrooker wrote: ↑I think that's Bex superimposed on that clerk of courts broad from Kentucky who wouldn't give out marriage licenses to gays.
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Hey, Scented! It's good to see you again. As you've seen, Franc is also back. So is Rayshul. And we've had occasional visits from BarnOwl, Pitchguest, Strawkins, and Comhcinc. There's been a sort of reunion vibe at the Pit lately :DScented Nectar wrote: ↑Oh, and who is "moneybags"? Has she found some rich guy to abuse, use, and parasitize? I am sooo behind on all the gossip of that whole collection of idiotic atheism+ers.
You guessed right about Rebecca, she's bagged a new live-in squeeze. He's a real catch, an Apple coder who makes enough dough to fund out-of-town / out-of-state holidays every other month. And when they're home, she enjoys getting sloshed in fancy digs, like $100-a-plate caviar brunches. Her life's been shiny and hi-def since he moved in.
You can check him out on her Instagram page.
Rebecca's been putting some not so subtle pressure on him to marry her. So, the shoop above is a warning of what'll probably happen if he puts a ring on her finger.
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Appropos of nothing...but in case anyone wanted to know
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This movie was made nearly 50 years too early, what with the current fad of MTF transitioning. The trans community wouldn't know what to do. On one hand he is able to change into a her that totally passes and wouldn't get misgendered, but unfortunately xe becomes really evil which is typical of how the bigoted cis community unfairly portrays the long suffering trans folks.
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Or if you want to get all racialist, the following has a lot to say about race relations in our time (assuming the time is the bicentennial).free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ This movie was made nearly 50 years too early, what with the current fad of MTF transitioning. The trans community wouldn't know what to do. On one hand he is able to change into a her that totally passes and wouldn't get misgendered, but unfortunately xe becomes really evil which is typical of how the bigoted cis community unfairly portrays the long suffering trans folks.
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Oh, ok. I bet that really is how she'd look if she had her hair that way, though!TheMudbrooker wrote: ↑I think that's Bex superimposed on that clerk of courts broad from Kentucky who wouldn't give out marriage licenses to gays.
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Oh dear! That poor boy looks like he shits tofu. At least she won't have to worry about having to put out too often in this single-client prostitution drain of him, since he looks a bit devoid of any hormones, raging or otherwise. Mind you, I suspect she'd kill the boner of all but blind men who are close to alcohol poisoning anyways.Ape+lust wrote: ↑Hey, Scented! It's good to see you again. As you've seen, Franc is also back. So is Rayshul. And we've had occasional visits from BarnOwl, Pitchguest, Strawkins, and Comhcinc. There's been a sort of reunion vibe at the Pit lately :DScented Nectar wrote: ↑Oh, and who is "moneybags"? Has she found some rich guy to abuse, use, and parasitize? I am sooo behind on all the gossip of that whole collection of idiotic atheism+ers.
You guessed right about Rebecca, she's bagged a new live-in squeeze. He's a real catch, an Apple coder who makes enough dough to fund out-of-town / out-of-state holidays every other month. And when they're home, she enjoys getting sloshed in fancy digs, like $100-a-plate caviar brunches. Her life's been shiny and hi-def since he moved in.
You can check him out on her Instagram page.
Rebecca's been putting some not so subtle pressure on him to marry her. So, the shoop above is a warning of what'll probably happen if he puts a ring on her finger.
Poor soy boy, though. She's going to take him to the cleaners and then some. Then, a few years after she divorce-rapes him, she'll probably have blown any money she got. At least that part will be funny.
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Happy New Year, Pit fuckers.
Here's to another year of ARNIE and the GANG bollocking the hell out of the Baboons and SJW retards.
Oh, and PZ...since I know you're reading.....go down to the local farmyard, and go and clean the fucking cattle-yard with your fucking tongue, lick your lips, then finish off by entering your local zoo, and suck off a horny orangutan!
Here's to another year of ARNIE and the GANG bollocking the hell out of the Baboons and SJW retards.
Oh, and PZ...since I know you're reading.....go down to the local farmyard, and go and clean the fucking cattle-yard with your fucking tongue, lick your lips, then finish off by entering your local zoo, and suck off a horny orangutan!
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That Peter Jackson WW1 documentary was awesome. Also lots of tears.
Thanks, FT.
Thanks, FT.
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Glad you liked it - I thought it was completely stunning. I'd love to see it on iMax sometime...Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: ↑ That Peter Jackson WW1 documentary was awesome. Also lots of tears.
Thanks, FT.
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Nice to see you, Scented!
The Apple coder that BeccyBooze relies upon for her endgame is probably part of the mess that all Apple software has become. I've bought Apple computer products since the beginning, and after buying 100+ computers, printers, cameras, Newtons et al, I'm just as pissed off as anyone else. Mostly because they no longer pay any attention at all to their own human interface guidelines. Want hidden commands? Just scroll everywhere over a screen whilst holding down the right keys and hope to find something that used to be the default. This is life for Macintosh users now. I get that they make more money from the iPhone, but I fail to see why the Macintosh platform has to become some inferior subset of iOS. Well, profit is king, and I also understand that US companies have obligations to shareholders to maximise profit that result in peculiar consequences. I don't have to enjoy the ride there as well, though. And talking of profit-driven companies (as if there were any other kind!), I see that a MasterCard executive has inspired a viewer to tweet this:
Yes! Let's have a company "stop countries doing their own thing". Wouldn't we all just love having MasterCard overrule our parliaments? I know, I'd have to look twice at Justin Trudeau and MasterCard, but in the end I'd still want to make my own mistakes, rather than live with those of MasterCard.
I guess that, eventually, profits will win. Even if the SJWs want this, that or the other, profit will override them. So when the SJWs influence MasterCard, PayPal, Patreon etc into silencing people like Carl Benjamin, there will be an eventual correction towards maximum profit. So sad their livelihoods had to be extinguished while such forces played out: it will be alright in the end. None of us can deny or even begin to argue with the market (if sufficiently arrogant, we can try again with Marxism. Good luck there.)
We give monetary rewards to that we want to see thrive. Simple. But how does that work in the modern online world? We can't hand over cash directly, so we pay with credit cards or an online payment system such as PayPal. Yet if credit cards and PayPal try to stop you voting with your cash if they don't like your vote, what then? We seem to have painted ourselves into a corner where it is currently difficult to vote for our preferences; one where a cash vote can only be paid through a merchant who wants to approve or disapprove (and hence, disallow) our preferences. Even if I were completely on board with all the "Trust & Safety Committees" in the world, I could see an issue there, never mind my absolute distrust of anything arrived at "by Committee"!
I've closed my Patreon account, and cut up a MasterCard. I've donated directly to people I want to support, but done so via PayPal as there isn't another way. I'll vote with my few saved dollars if the Rubin/Peterson support system works out. What else can I, or anyone rational, do?
The Apple coder that BeccyBooze relies upon for her endgame is probably part of the mess that all Apple software has become. I've bought Apple computer products since the beginning, and after buying 100+ computers, printers, cameras, Newtons et al, I'm just as pissed off as anyone else. Mostly because they no longer pay any attention at all to their own human interface guidelines. Want hidden commands? Just scroll everywhere over a screen whilst holding down the right keys and hope to find something that used to be the default. This is life for Macintosh users now. I get that they make more money from the iPhone, but I fail to see why the Macintosh platform has to become some inferior subset of iOS. Well, profit is king, and I also understand that US companies have obligations to shareholders to maximise profit that result in peculiar consequences. I don't have to enjoy the ride there as well, though. And talking of profit-driven companies (as if there were any other kind!), I see that a MasterCard executive has inspired a viewer to tweet this:
Yes! Let's have a company "stop countries doing their own thing". Wouldn't we all just love having MasterCard overrule our parliaments? I know, I'd have to look twice at Justin Trudeau and MasterCard, but in the end I'd still want to make my own mistakes, rather than live with those of MasterCard.
I guess that, eventually, profits will win. Even if the SJWs want this, that or the other, profit will override them. So when the SJWs influence MasterCard, PayPal, Patreon etc into silencing people like Carl Benjamin, there will be an eventual correction towards maximum profit. So sad their livelihoods had to be extinguished while such forces played out: it will be alright in the end. None of us can deny or even begin to argue with the market (if sufficiently arrogant, we can try again with Marxism. Good luck there.)
We give monetary rewards to that we want to see thrive. Simple. But how does that work in the modern online world? We can't hand over cash directly, so we pay with credit cards or an online payment system such as PayPal. Yet if credit cards and PayPal try to stop you voting with your cash if they don't like your vote, what then? We seem to have painted ourselves into a corner where it is currently difficult to vote for our preferences; one where a cash vote can only be paid through a merchant who wants to approve or disapprove (and hence, disallow) our preferences. Even if I were completely on board with all the "Trust & Safety Committees" in the world, I could see an issue there, never mind my absolute distrust of anything arrived at "by Committee"!
I've closed my Patreon account, and cut up a MasterCard. I've donated directly to people I want to support, but done so via PayPal as there isn't another way. I'll vote with my few saved dollars if the Rubin/Peterson support system works out. What else can I, or anyone rational, do?
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They've been dumbing down computers to have less functions and making them more and more user unfriendly at the same time. I used an android for a bit and wasn't impressed. I keep saying that I'm going to switch to Linux one of these days. Maybe my next computer. Windows announced last year that they plan to bring in operating system level censorship in an article somewhere. I can't find it anymore, but like, holy fuck! That means your own computer might not let you write a private document or email with politically "incorrect" content. Recorded videos might go through word recognition code. Files could simply change or disappear. Maybe shadow-disappear - you think you sent that email... Switching to linux for most things needing such content might be needed. I don't know if Microsoft has started doing it or not yet, but it's extra intrusive and oppressive of peoples' rights.screwtape wrote: ↑ Nice to see you, Scented!
The Apple coder that BeccyBooze relies upon for her endgame is probably part of the mess that all Apple software has become. I've bought Apple computer products since the beginning, and after buying 100+ computers, printers, cameras, Newtons et al, I'm just as pissed off as anyone else. Mostly because they no longer pay any attention at all to their own human interface guidelines. Want hidden commands? Just scroll everywhere over a screen whilst holding down the right keys and hope to find something that used to be the default. This is life for Macintosh users now. I get that they make more money from the iPhone, but I fail to see why the Macintosh platform has to become some inferior subset of iOS. Well, profit is king, and I also understand that US companies have obligations to shareholders to maximise profit that result in peculiar consequences. I don't have to enjoy the ride there as well, though. And talking of profit-driven companies (as if there were any other kind!), I see that a MasterCard executive has inspired a viewer to tweet this:
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Yes! Let's have a company "stop countries doing their own thing". Wouldn't we all just love having MasterCard overrule our parliaments? I know, I'd have to look twice at Justin Trudeau and MasterCard, but in the end I'd still want to make my own mistakes, rather than live with those of MasterCard.
I guess that, eventually, profits will win. Even if the SJWs want this, that or the other, profit will override them. So when the SJWs influence MasterCard, PayPal, Patreon etc into silencing people like Carl Benjamin, there will be an eventual correction towards maximum profit. So sad their livelihoods had to be extinguished while such forces played out: it will be alright in the end. None of us can deny or even begin to argue with the market (if sufficiently arrogant, we can try again with Marxism. Good luck there.)
We give monetary rewards to that we want to see thrive. Simple. But how does that work in the modern online world? We can't hand over cash directly, so we pay with credit cards or an online payment system such as PayPal. Yet if credit cards and PayPal try to stop you voting with your cash if they don't like your vote, what then? We seem to have painted ourselves into a corner where it is currently difficult to vote for our preferences; one where a cash vote can only be paid through a merchant who wants to approve or disapprove (and hence, disallow) our preferences. Even if I were completely on board with all the "Trust & Safety Committees" in the world, I could see an issue there, never mind my absolute distrust of anything arrived at "by Committee"!
I've closed my Patreon account, and cut up a MasterCard. I've donated directly to people I want to support, but done so via PayPal as there isn't another way. I'll vote with my few saved dollars if the Rubin/Peterson support system works out. What else can I, or anyone rational, do?
And the financial world needs a revolution. It needs to be taken away from the hire-your-cousin, politically motivated, monopolistic cunts who are disproportionately running the banks and the fed, etc. I'm being careful with my words here, but, let's just say I've HUGELY woken up on a certain particular 'question' and certain disproportions.
I won't get into it here, because Mr. Bikini Boobies might get mad at me and start editing my words here again, but if you want to know what my favourite topic of 2018 was, feel free to visit my disqus. http://disqus.com/by/scentednectar/
The trouble with the Rubin/Peterson alternative to Patreon, is that Peterson is not really against censorship. He fought to keep Faith Goldy out of a free speech debate. And she isn't even on the extreme end of people who might be considered nationalists.
Want to hear something funny? Speaking of nationalism, I got banned from the Canadian Nationalist Party for what they claim was being anti-semitic in a post! I was so careful, and I completely followed the laws regarding Cdn "hate" laws, but one morning suddenly banned. Some so-called nationalist groups are just controlled opp, I think.
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And straight into the 'mental health' pigeon hole you go, we'll have none of that Jihad nonsense here sonny Jim.
Nothing to see folks. (until next time)
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Nothing to see folks. (until next time)
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Sure not impressed myself with what passes for "user interfaces" these days - and the "documentation" that goes along with it. There used to be - "back in the day" when I was doing such - a method in the madness, a hierarchy of commands that made intuitive leaps more likely to pay dividends. Nowadays - for some products at least - it kind of looks like the wild west; kind of wonder whether that's "dividends" from po-mo - most illogical Captain.screwtape wrote: ↑ Nice to see you, Scented!
The Apple coder that BeccyBooze relies upon for her endgame is probably part of the mess that all Apple software has become. I've bought Apple computer products since the beginning, and after buying 100+ computers, printers, cameras, Newtons et al, I'm just as pissed off as anyone else. Mostly because they no longer pay any attention at all to their own human interface guidelines. Want hidden commands? Just scroll everywhere over a screen whilst holding down the right keys and hope to find something that used to be the default. This is life for Macintosh users now. I get that they make more money from the iPhone, but I fail to see why the Macintosh platform has to become some inferior subset of iOS. Well, profit is king, and I also understand that US companies have obligations to shareholders to maximise profit that result in peculiar consequences. I don't have to enjoy the ride there as well, though. And talking of profit-driven companies (as if there were any other kind!), I see that a MasterCard executive has inspired a viewer to tweet this:
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Yes! Let's have a company "stop countries doing their own thing". Wouldn't we all just love having MasterCard overrule our parliaments? I know, I'd have to look twice at Justin Trudeau and MasterCard, but in the end I'd still want to make my own mistakes, rather than live with those of MasterCard.
But not sure of the context of your PNG - don't think the principle of "stopping countries from doing their own thing" is entirely without merit. Fer instance, ran across a PDF from the EU's Joint Research Center- Analytical measurement: measurement uncertainty and statistics - the other day that gave an interesting preamble:
The paper in question was clearly focused on providing and promulgating scientific research standards across the EU - a worthy objective. But problems arise when the "standards" promoted are antithetical to or incompatible with more credible principles and values of member countries - a case in point being A Flawed European Ruling on Free Speech. Too bad the EU insists on ignoring that difference as the whole donny-brook over #Brexit might have been forestalled otherwise.The mission of the JRC is to provide customer-driven scientific and technical support for the conception, development, implementation and monitoring of EU policies. As a service of the European Commission, the JRC functions as a reference centre of science and technology for the Union. Close to the policymaking process, it serves the common interest of the Member States, while being independent of special interests, whether private or national.
Good for you for having fired a shot across the bows of Patreon & MasterCard. Though I might suggest also writing snarky letters to their Boards of Directors to let them know that you're "not amused" - I find it hard to believe that the bean counters are willing to let their "Trust & Safety Committees" ride roughshod over their bottom lines.screwtape wrote: ↑I guess that, eventually, profits will win. Even if the SJWs want this, that or the other, profit will override them. So when the SJWs influence MasterCard, PayPal, Patreon etc into silencing people like Carl Benjamin, there will be an eventual correction towards maximum profit. So sad their livelihoods had to be extinguished while such forces played out: it will be alright in the end. None of us can deny or even begin to argue with the market (if sufficiently arrogant, we can try again with Marxism. Good luck there.)
We give monetary rewards to that we want to see thrive. Simple. But how does that work in the modern online world? We can't hand over cash directly, so we pay with credit cards or an online payment system such as PayPal. Yet if credit cards and PayPal try to stop you voting with your cash if they don't like your vote, what then? We seem to have painted ourselves into a corner where it is currently difficult to vote for our preferences; one where a cash vote can only be paid through a merchant who wants to approve or disapprove (and hence, disallow) our preferences. Even if I were completely on board with all the "Trust & Safety Committees" in the world, I could see an issue there, never mind my absolute distrust of anything arrived at "by Committee"!
I've closed my Patreon account, and cut up a MasterCard. I've donated directly to people I want to support, but done so via PayPal as there isn't another way. I'll vote with my few saved dollars if the Rubin/Peterson support system works out. What else can I, or anyone rational, do?
But seems there's an increasing level of pushback on many different fronts - Dorsey & Zuckerberg winding up in the hot seats at various Senate hearings for example. And Titania McGrath getting reinstated by Twitter may have been another example. I've also been banned a couple of times by Twitter - though the last one might be the coup de grace - but I wrote to their Board and suggested others do likewise:
Been thinking of suggesting to the people in that thread - Julian Vigo & Dr. Lawford-Smith who both seem "heavy-hitters" - that they should create an open letter to Twitter's Board of Directors; Twitter sure does need to have an Ombudsman and/or to rein-in their "Trust & Safety Committees", "Star Chambers", the lot. Although others here are welcome to broach the issue with them as it's a bit "problematic" for me to do so at the moment.
But in addition, others are rattling some cages: Google employees sign letter against censored search engine for China; Chris Rock outrage exposes Twitter’s worst quality; Ford government's free speech policy for schools a good first step; and Meghan Murphy and the silencing of women (The unholy alliance of trans activists and social-media censors is a threat to women’s freedom).
Maybe not yet the beginning of the end and all that, but generally the times, they are a-changin'; think it would be wise for us all to add our voices to the chorus in whatever way we can manage.
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Apple's iCloud has been censoring certain words for years, and there is a fun game going on among the few Apple fans left as to what words can be used. No indication whatsoever is given that you used a forbidden word, or didn't receive an e-mail containing one. It makes life interesting, and entertaining in a way; the vast numbers of iPhone owners who have mac.com, me.com or icloud.com accounts have no idea about the e-mail filtering going on.Scented Nectar wrote: ↑ They've been dumbing down computers to have less functions and making them more and more user unfriendly at the same time. I used an android for a bit and wasn't impressed. I keep saying that I'm going to switch to Linux one of these days. Maybe my next computer. Windows announced last year that they plan to bring in operating system level censorship in an article somewhere. I can't find it anymore, but like, holy fuck! That means your own computer might not let you write a private document or email with politically "incorrect" content. Recorded videos might go through word recognition code. Files could simply change or disappear. Maybe shadow-disappear - you think you sent that email... Switching to linux for most things needing such content might be needed.
I've played with Linux for many years, going back to LinuxPPC (Yay! Command line e-mail and Usenet!), then Yellow Dog Linux and lately all sorts of intel based flavours (Mint being the best tasting). I'd be prepared to struggle with apps for my main uses (mostly image manipulation, photography and suchlike) but I can't always get them to see my wi-fi and printers, never mind having to support the neanderthals that I drag along behind me.
Come on, Jim, saying you don't see what's wrong with "stopping countries from doing their own thing" isn't going to win you one friend anywhere outside the Kremlin. Countries can, and ought, to do their own things according to the stupid majority wishes of the residents (qv. Brexit). Such is life and you know it. We might know better (or think that we do), but we cannot say so with any expectation of obedience. Read, learn and inwardly digest. You're smarter than that, but I may be decades too late in showing you that you can't take that position publicly, since you seem to enjoy controversy. And if that's your thing, just ignore me.
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Rubin and Peterson take a step towards dumping Patreon:
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Happy New Year Pitters!
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I'm wondering now if this is pretty much this story:Keating wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:12 pmSo I watched My Fair Lady recently and then this article appeared:
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This is a half finished thought about the endles Kirb/Brive wars. It occurs to me that the same problem described in this article about the prescriptive versus descriptive approaches to teaching English are analogous to the wider culture. We need some descriptive freedom for new ideas, but without a prescriptive base, the entire structure collapses and everyone loses.
Culture is the same. Too much “you do you” collapses the nation, but none is a tyranny.
In order to reach the Heavens, you need one language, one culture, in order to work together. The closer you get to Heaven, however, the more likely you are to break up as the language and culture breaks up. That's exactly what we're seeing now in the West. There is no longer a unifying culture, and without that, we're balkanising.Genesis 11 wrote:Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
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LoL. Me, Trump, & Putin - The Three Amigos ;-)screwtape wrote: ↑ <snip>
Come on, Jim, saying you don't see what's wrong with "stopping countries from doing their own thing" isn't going to win you one friend anywhere outside the Kremlin. Countries can, and ought, to do their own things according to the stupid majority wishes of the residents (qv. Brexit). Such is life and you know it. We might know better (or think that we do), but we cannot say so with any expectation of obedience. Read, learn and inwardly digest. You're smarter than that, but I may be decades too late in showing you that you can't take that position publicly, since you seem to enjoy controversy. And if that's your thing, just ignore me.
Except I don't think you read much of my comment, or gave much thought to what you read. I very carefully qualified that, to wit:
"Stopping countries from doing their own thing" clearly has some merit when we're talking about research standards - and railway gauges - but not so much when that entails preventing people from (maybe somewhat erroneously or unfairly) calling Muhammed (Piss Be Upon Him) a pedophile - as the article I linked to discussed in some detail.The paper in question was clearly focused on providing and promulgating scientific research standards across the EU - a worthy objective [i.e., stopping countries from having their own conflicting standards]. But problems arise when the "standards" promoted are antithetical to or incompatible with more credible principles and values of member countries - a case in point being A Flawed European Ruling on Free Speech. Too bad the EU insists on ignoring that difference as the whole donny-brook over #Brexit might have been forestalled otherwise.
Tourjours le contexte ... Which is, I think, part and parcel of the problems we're facing these days - too many seem to think that some principles - free speech or freedom of religion for examples - are absolutes (libel; piss on the Quran), or that if they're not applicable universally then they're applicable nowhere. Which is why I - and many others - have argued that there are some very sound reasons for #Brexit. Something you obviously disagree with since you apparently recognize the benefits of the EU while refusing to address the imposition of values - anti-blasphemy laws, and "importing the third world" for examples - that are egregiously problematic to say the least.
As for "enjoying controversy - :) , I think it's less a case of that than of recognizing that such controversies are where the rubber meets the road. And that sticking our heads in the sand frequently appears little more than suicidal, and that it behooves us all to "play up and play the game" - as my previous links and commentary sought to illustrate and argue.
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Indeed. Although I'd argue that one language is far more important than one culture, and that the latter, in fact, can be a straitjacket - the proverbial "monoculture" with its attendant problems. However, on the other side of the coin, a too "diverse" set of cultures that try to encompass antithetical principles and values isn't going to be terribly successful either. As I recently argued in a previous comment on the same Quillette article:Keating wrote: ↑I'm wondering now if this is pretty much this story:Keating wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:12 pmSo I watched My Fair Lady recently and then this article appeared:
https://quillette.com/2018/12/26/refigh ... sage-wars/
This is a half finished thought about the endles Kirb/Brive wars. It occurs to me that the same problem described in this article about the prescriptive versus descriptive approaches to teaching English are analogous to the wider culture. We need some descriptive freedom for new ideas, but without a prescriptive base, the entire structure collapses and everyone loses.
Culture is the same. Too much “you do you” collapses the nation, but none is a tyranny.
In order to reach the Heavens, you need one language, one culture, in order to work together. The closer you get to Heaven, however, the more likely you are to break up as the language and culture breaks up. That's exactly what we're seeing now in the West. There is no longer a unifying culture, and without that, we're balkanising.Genesis 11 wrote:Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
And theocracies are of course the ultimate in rigidity since they tend to preclude any changes whatsoever since the presumed authors of the entailed laws - Gawd Him/Her/Itself - has "caught the last train for the coast", so to speak. As Huxley put it:Steersman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:41 amAs others have argued in different ways, it seems that any society that has a too rigid set of laws - theocracies or other more secular totalitarian states - really only create straitjackets for its members. Which is really, ultimately, a form of suicide as it tends to preclude being able to adapt to changing circumstances.
"Delenda est", indeed. But unfortunately that is as true of the Bible as it is of the Quran, although that is maybe a useful bit of common ground even if Islam is far more stuck in the sixth century than is Christianity.
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With all the sand you keep in your clam, you should have produced a few pearls by now. But no, still the same old whining.
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When was there ever one over-arching harmonious western culture?Keating wrote: ↑ n order to reach the Heavens, you need one language, one culture, in order to work together. The closer you get to Heaven, however, the more likely you are to break up as the language and culture breaks up. That's exactly what we're seeing now in the West. There is no longer a unifying culture, and without that, we're balkanising.
I watched a video recently where the guy said that Old Norse & Anglo Saxon were close enough that someone in England would be able to understand a Viking raider saying that he was going to burn their place of residence - indicating a shared culture (at least to some extent). So that even if there was an overarching 'Western Culture' in the centuries before WWII - it was a history of warring states - where people got on like a house on fire.
Literally.
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How did “one language, one culture” turn into “one over-arching harmonious western culture” ??MarcusAu wrote: ↑When was there ever one over-arching harmonious western culture?Keating wrote: ↑ n order to reach the Heavens, you need one language, one culture, in order to work together. The closer you get to Heaven, however, the more likely you are to break up as the language and culture breaks up. That's exactly what we're seeing now in the West. There is no longer a unifying culture, and without that, we're balkanising.
I watched a video recently where the guy said that Old Norse & Anglo Saxon were close enough that someone in England would be able to understand a Viking raider saying that he was going to burn their place of residence - indicating a shared culture (at least to some extent). So that even if there was an overarching 'Western Culture' in the centuries before WWII - it was a history of warring states - where people got on like a house on fire.
Literally.
Yet without your introduced word, the Viking screed and martial generalisation has little merit ....
Even if we become straw resistant, your exposition doesn’t explain western art, law, social structures, science etc
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Well, when working towards one goal - for example in the building of the metaphorical tower - I was assuming that a degree of harmony would be necessary. As a contrast to 'balkinisation' which has a less than harmonious connotation.Brive1987 wrote: ↑ How did “one language, one culture” turn into “one over-arching harmonious western culture” ??
Yet without your introduced word, the Viking screed and martial generalisation has little merit ....
Even if we become straw resistant, your exposition doesn’t explain western art, law, social structures, science etc
The original post managed to skip from biblical times to the current day - taking the formation of Western culture for granted. So I followed suit. I would agree that I have not managed to explain or provide a history of WC - such an endeavor would take decades and from better qualified people than me. A cartoon or bumper sticker does not do it justice - it's a life's work.
One thing of interest though - is that conflict is a driving factor for innovation and change in all the factors you mention.
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You must be doing something right to get banned by Breitbart and the CNP. :lol: :lol: :lol:Scented Nectar wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:57 pmThey've been dumbing down computers to have less functions and making them more and more user unfriendly at the same time. I used an android for a bit and wasn't impressed. I keep saying that I'm going to switch to Linux one of these days. Maybe my next computer. Windows announced last year that they plan to bring in operating system level censorship in an article somewhere. I can't find it anymore, but like, holy fuck! That means your own computer might not let you write a private document or email with politically "incorrect" content. Recorded videos might go through word recognition code. Files could simply change or disappear. Maybe shadow-disappear - you think you sent that email... Switching to linux for most things needing such content might be needed. I don't know if Microsoft has started doing it or not yet, but it's extra intrusive and oppressive of peoples' rights.screwtape wrote: ↑ Nice to see you, Scented!
The Apple coder that BeccyBooze relies upon for her endgame is probably part of the mess that all Apple software has become. I've bought Apple computer products since the beginning, and after buying 100+ computers, printers, cameras, Newtons et al, I'm just as pissed off as anyone else. Mostly because they no longer pay any attention at all to their own human interface guidelines. Want hidden commands? Just scroll everywhere over a screen whilst holding down the right keys and hope to find something that used to be the default. This is life for Macintosh users now. I get that they make more money from the iPhone, but I fail to see why the Macintosh platform has to become some inferior subset of iOS. Well, profit is king, and I also understand that US companies have obligations to shareholders to maximise profit that result in peculiar consequences. I don't have to enjoy the ride there as well, though. And talking of profit-driven companies (as if there were any other kind!), I see that a MasterCard executive has inspired a viewer to tweet this:
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Yes! Let's have a company "stop countries doing their own thing". Wouldn't we all just love having MasterCard overrule our parliaments? I know, I'd have to look twice at Justin Trudeau and MasterCard, but in the end I'd still want to make my own mistakes, rather than live with those of MasterCard.
I guess that, eventually, profits will win. Even if the SJWs want this, that or the other, profit will override them. So when the SJWs influence MasterCard, PayPal, Patreon etc into silencing people like Carl Benjamin, there will be an eventual correction towards maximum profit. So sad their livelihoods had to be extinguished while such forces played out: it will be alright in the end. None of us can deny or even begin to argue with the market (if sufficiently arrogant, we can try again with Marxism. Good luck there.)
We give monetary rewards to that we want to see thrive. Simple. But how does that work in the modern online world? We can't hand over cash directly, so we pay with credit cards or an online payment system such as PayPal. Yet if credit cards and PayPal try to stop you voting with your cash if they don't like your vote, what then? We seem to have painted ourselves into a corner where it is currently difficult to vote for our preferences; one where a cash vote can only be paid through a merchant who wants to approve or disapprove (and hence, disallow) our preferences. Even if I were completely on board with all the "Trust & Safety Committees" in the world, I could see an issue there, never mind my absolute distrust of anything arrived at "by Committee"!
I've closed my Patreon account, and cut up a MasterCard. I've donated directly to people I want to support, but done so via PayPal as there isn't another way. I'll vote with my few saved dollars if the Rubin/Peterson support system works out. What else can I, or anyone rational, do?
And the financial world needs a revolution. It needs to be taken away from the hire-your-cousin, politically motivated, monopolistic cunts who are disproportionately running the banks and the fed, etc. I'm being careful with my words here, but, let's just say I've HUGELY woken up on a certain particular 'question' and certain disproportions.
I won't get into it here, because Mr. Bikini Boobies might get mad at me and start editing my words here again, but if you want to know what my favourite topic of 2018 was, feel free to visit my disqus. http://disqus.com/by/scentednectar/
The trouble with the Rubin/Peterson alternative to Patreon, is that Peterson is not really against censorship. He fought to keep Faith Goldy out of a free speech debate. And she isn't even on the extreme end of people who might be considered nationalists.
Want to hear something funny? Speaking of nationalism, I got banned from the Canadian Nationalist Party for what they claim was being anti-semitic in a post! I was so careful, and I completely followed the laws regarding Cdn "hate" laws, but one morning suddenly banned. Some so-called nationalist groups are just controlled opp, I think.
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This morning my wife and I are worked towards a post-Christmas budget. Harmony is not a key ingredient so far.MarcusAu wrote: ↑Well, when working towards one goal - for example in the building of the metaphorical tower - I was assuming that a degree of harmony would be necessary. As a contrast to 'balkinisation' which has a less than harmonious connotation.Brive1987 wrote: ↑ How did “one language, one culture” turn into “one over-arching harmonious western culture” ??
Yet without your introduced word, the Viking screed and martial generalisation has little merit ....
Even if we become straw resistant, your exposition doesn’t explain western art, law, social structures, science etc
The original post managed to skip from biblical times to the current day - taking the formation of Western culture for granted. So I followed suit. I would agree that I have not managed to explain or provide a history of WC - such an endeavor would take decades and from better qualified people than me. A cartoon or bumper sticker does not do it justice - it's a life's work.
One thing of interest though - is that conflict is a driving factor for innovation and change in all the factors you mention.
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Happy new year!
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Sorry to those who’ve had a less than ideal start
I start this year single and in australia on holiday!
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It was called Christendom. It then become the British and later American Empires. The later is now in decline.MarcusAu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:29 pmWhen was there ever one over-arching harmonious western culture?Keating wrote: ↑ n order to reach the Heavens, you need one language, one culture, in order to work together. The closer you get to Heaven, however, the more likely you are to break up as the language and culture breaks up. That's exactly what we're seeing now in the West. There is no longer a unifying culture, and without that, we're balkanising.
I watched a video recently where the guy said that Old Norse & Anglo Saxon were close enough that someone in England would be able to understand a Viking raider saying that he was going to burn their place of residence - indicating a shared culture (at least to some extent). So that even if there was an overarching 'Western Culture' in the centuries before WWII - it was a history of warring states - where people got on like a house on fire.
Literally.
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Speaking of end time.
Below is a QED.
For twenty bucks our wonderful War Memorial will sell you an entire album.
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Below is a QED.
For twenty bucks our wonderful War Memorial will sell you an entire album.
https://www.awm.gov.au/shop/item/0602567958901
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Is christendom the same thing as the Holy Roman Empire? Or does it include the Eastern Orthodox nations too?
I take it that the switch to the British Empire happened around the time of Henry VIII. At which time England's rivals such as France and Spain and other non-anglophone countries would no longer included (nor would any country being predominantly catholic rather than anglican). Which sounds a bit restrictive.
The second switch to an American Empire (or Hegemony if 'Empire' does not suit) would have happened after the WWII. (At least by my way of thinking).
Decline? So the theory is that contra Stephen Pinker's 'The Better Angels of Our Nature' - things are getting worse. I don't necessarily disagree - or agree.
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You're bullshitting me, right?shoutinghorse wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:14 pmAnd straight into the 'mental health' pigeon hole you go, we'll have none of that Jihad nonsense here sonny Jim.
Nothing to see folks. (until next time)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/b ... t-13801682
However it's really important to stress we are retaining an open mind in relation to the motivation for this attack.
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Maybe. These things are inherently hard to define. The important point is that there was a shared narrative. You could be sure that everyone had some understanding of the Bible. I don't think the narrative has to necessarily be Biblical, but there's not even a television show or movie you could point to today that a significant percentage of the population communally watched. The series final of M*A*S*H, for an example of what I'm thinking of. The last show that came close to that was maybe the Seinfeld finale.
This really depends on how you choose to define "getting worse". Have murders gone down? Sure. Can we extract more oil from the ground than we could 30 years ago? Yep. More children are born out of wedlock, and we have the technology now for a truly Orwellian Big Brother. Is the trade off worth it? I don't know. Maybe the iPhone is worth being forced to say that a man in a dress is a woman. My point is more that we don't really address the cultural loses because they are so hard to define.Decline? So the theory is that contra Stephen Pinker's 'The Better Angels of Our Nature' - things are getting worse. I don't necessarily disagree - or agree.
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I'm still wondering who shot J.R.Keating wrote: ↑ I don't think the narrative has to necessarily be Biblical, but there's not even a television show or movie you could point to today that a significant percentage of the population communally watched. The series final of M*A*S*H, for an example of what I'm thinking of. The last show that came close to that was maybe the Seinfeld finale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_shot_J.R.%3F
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Probably the moonwalk would count too...
...but there is no evidence for it.
...but there is no evidence for it.
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Pre-Industrial revolution people were living in smaller isolated communities. Their shared narrative (which was really just a subset of their shared cultural practices and life experiences) would have come from various sources - undoubtedly the local pastor played a part - but there were most likely other influences too. (Check out any video on pagan revivalism if you feel like being lectured to ad nauseam on this point).Keating wrote: ↑
Maybe. These things are inherently hard to define. The important point is that there was a shared narrative. You could be sure that everyone had some understanding of the Bible. I don't think the narrative has to necessarily be Biblical, but there's not even a television show or movie you could point to today that a significant percentage of the population communally watched. The series final of M*A*S*H, for an example of what I'm thinking of. The last show that came close to that was maybe the Seinfeld finale.
I mention this because by the time of the M*A*S*H final - modern life was well on it's way to being what it has become today. (Well, arguably - but what isn't?).
If only we had the wisdom of Ludd - and the foresight to reject modernity and all it's travails back in say, the 1970s...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmzk3PNe3E
Although of course that is an example rampant individualism rather a community with a collective narrative.
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I only wish I was, still not released his name (up to present) Yet just a week or so ago Gatwick airport was shut for two days because of a drone, our Keystone Kops arrested an innocent couple and their names and faces were splashed all over the papers whilst this fucker goes straight into the mental health system and his identity is seemingly protected.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: ↑You're bullshitting me, right?shoutinghorse wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:14 pmAnd straight into the 'mental health' pigeon hole you go, we'll have none of that Jihad nonsense here sonny Jim.
Nothing to see folks. (until next time)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/b ... t-13801682
However it's really important to stress we are retaining an open mind in relation to the motivation for this attack.
Our judicial system, once the envy of the world, is a fucking joke.
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I've been doing some dating and you'd be surprised how many men are secretly conservative and just leave the mention off their profiles. ^_^ Just in case.
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I know I am a bad person ... but the devil made me do it as someone used to say.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:35 amYou're bullshitting me, right?shoutinghorse wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:14 pmAnd straight into the 'mental health' pigeon hole you go, we'll have none of that Jihad nonsense here sonny Jim.
Nothing to see folks. (until next time)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/b ... t-13801682
However it's really important to stress we are retaining an open mind in relation to the motivation for this attack.
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Linux it is, then! I'll keep a crap Windows computer for the few things I won't be able to do on Linux. Time for me to start learning the system.screwtape wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:21 pmApple's iCloud has been censoring certain words for years, and there is a fun game going on among the few Apple fans left as to what words can be used. No indication whatsoever is given that you used a forbidden word, or didn't receive an e-mail containing one. It makes life interesting, and entertaining in a way; the vast numbers of iPhone owners who have mac.com, me.com or icloud.com accounts have no idea about the e-mail filtering going on.Scented Nectar wrote: ↑ They've been dumbing down computers to have less functions and making them more and more user unfriendly at the same time. I used an android for a bit and wasn't impressed. I keep saying that I'm going to switch to Linux one of these days. Maybe my next computer. Windows announced last year that they plan to bring in operating system level censorship in an article somewhere. I can't find it anymore, but like, holy fuck! That means your own computer might not let you write a private document or email with politically "incorrect" content. Recorded videos might go through word recognition code. Files could simply change or disappear. Maybe shadow-disappear - you think you sent that email... Switching to linux for most things needing such content might be needed.
I've played with Linux for many years, going back to LinuxPPC (Yay! Command line e-mail and Usenet!), then Yellow Dog Linux and lately all sorts of intel based flavours (Mint being the best tasting). I'd be prepared to struggle with apps for my main uses (mostly image manipulation, photography and suchlike) but I can't always get them to see my wi-fi and printers, never mind having to support the neanderthals that I drag along behind me.
Do you know whether their Windows emulator programs would be free of the Windows controlled censorship, or does it pull in too much of the actual Windows in its emulation? There are still a number of Windows-only programs that I'm very attached to.
And time to go back to handwritten letters popped under peoples' doors, instead of trusting electronic middlemen anymore for even more things than I was already doing that for. And of course, offline computers and removable harddrives are even important now. Nasty censorious cunts.
Thanks for the tip about Mint. I don't know anything about the different versions yet. It's time I started though. Been meaning to do this for a while.
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I was kind of expecting the Breitbart one, but the CNP one took me by complete surprise. Cracked me up though! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I wonder if the antisemitism thing was just an excuse. I had already been talking about Israel and JQ issues for a while. But, then I started questioning other stuff, like what kind of "monarchy" does Travis have in mind? He just answered something about making sure illegals don't vote. So, I pressed, since a monarchy can mean anything from a figurehead monarchy in mostly name only but with fair and decent laws, or it could mean full blown North Korea. The fucker kept evading my questions. It's outside of their official list of 21 policies, but they're calling it a policy. Check out this statement from the top of https://www.nationalist.ca/ ...
... but WHAT decisions will no longer be democratic, but dictated to the population instead? He just wouldn't say.Monarchal Policy
We must consolidate national decisions under the vested interests of an authority above the democratic system
Oh well, they're a bunch of losers, anyways. Totally lost when it comes to actually putting together an actual working party.
I figure they're controlled opp gatekeepers anyways. Also, they have a couple donors with surnames that I would totally accept as being 3rd or 4th cousins of mine. Another guy, whose surname is also sometimes "of the tribe", and whose first name usually is, wrote an gushing pro-Israel "let's be like them" type of article on one of their associated blogs. I was like, what the fuck? They're supporting a group of immigrants who took over someone else's country, forced them out of their homes and land, and turned most of their own country into a no-go zone for them. https://www.redensign.ca/2018/08/03/som ... om-israel/ I mean, they just bent right over for Bibi and the radical zionist dick. Or, they're being so scared of optics "oooh, my optics! my aching optics..." that I wouldn't want anything to do with them anyways.
So, fuck them. And fuck Breitbart, those lying pieces of controlled opp zio-shit. You wouldn't believe the lies and propaganda in their Israeli coverage. Or, maybe you would, by the sounds of it. :)
I'm not supporting any more political parties. Independents only from now on. Parties always have party lines and package deals that include loyalty to foreign countries who behave badly.
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Single! Well, Happy New Year and may you get lucky with lots of good men during 2019. Or just one. I'm not really sure how many you're looking for. :shock: :lol:
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Lol, in case that's for me...
I know that that is just your way of being affectionate, and I wuvs you too!
:greetings-wavegreen: :handgestures-thumbup: :occasion-clown: :romance-adore: :romance-grouphug: :romance-caress: :romance-kisscheek: :romance-threesome: :romance-heartsmiley: :text-+1: :text-bravo:
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I mentioned this before - but Bill Burr has my back this time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FscElikegPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FscElikegPM
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When I was online dating, I'd see a photo of an attractive woman and say to myself: ahh, she's too good-looking -- gotta be a christian / conservative. And most times, her profile would read, '... looking for a clean-living man with traditional values. Jesus is an important part of my life and should be in yours, too.' That, and lots of misspellings.
Of course, I live in the Red Wastelands.
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Glad you spotted the kind thoughts behind the vitriol ;-)Scented Nectar wrote: ↑Lol, in case that's for me...
I know that that is just your way of being affectionate, and I wuvs you too!
:greetings-wavegreen: :handgestures-thumbup: :occasion-clown: :romance-adore: :romance-grouphug: :romance-caress: :romance-kisscheek: :romance-threesome: :romance-heartsmiley: :text-+1: :text-bravo:
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Glad to see their (sic) still concentrating on hiring the best at the BBC.
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As it happens I know a lot about Apple's email infrastructure, and I'm not sure "censor" is the right word for their approach - their intent is to block spam, not to prevent private conversations about whatever. Here's a link to an ex-iCloud engineer's description of what they actually do that I believe to be fairly accurate:screwtape wrote: ↑
Apple's iCloud has been censoring certain words for years, and there is a fun game going on among the few Apple fans left as to what words can be used. No indication whatsoever is given that you used a forbidden word, or didn't receive an e-mail containing one. It makes life interesting, and entertaining in a way; the vast numbers of iPhone owners who have mac.com, me.com or icloud.com accounts have no idea about the e-mail filtering going on.
https://www.reddit.com/user/iCloudThrowaway
I'll also note that it's a well known fact that Apple uses Proofpoint as one (but not the only) component of their filtering solution.
Spam filtering is a very difficult problem, and like it or not there are going to be false positives no matter what approach is used. To the extent there's a flaw in Apple's approach, it's that their approach is essentially binary in nature. I suspect this is because they find that too many of their users don't grok the concept of a "spam folder".
The thing that keeps me on the Mac is that the UI, complete shit that it may be, is still a significant improvement over the best Linux has to offer. I regularly try the new Linux UIs that pop up from time to time, and have yet to be impressed.screwtape wrote: ↑
I've played with Linux for many years, going back to LinuxPPC (Yay! Command line e-mail and Usenet!), then Yellow Dog Linux and lately all sorts of intel based flavours (Mint being the best tasting). I'd be prepared to struggle with apps for my main uses (mostly image manipulation, photography and suchlike) but I can't always get them to see my wi-fi and printers, never mind having to support the neanderthals that I drag along behind me.