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Thanks. Maybe some justification for arguing that the author of the Substack article that Matt linked to was blowing at least some smoke out of his arse.

However, maybe some justification also for some of their points, this one in particular:
Flaw #3: Poor Survey Response and Self Selection

The study was based on an invitation sent to 13,800 school districts. The number of school districts responding to the survey and complying with its requirements was only 61, which corresponds to an abysmal 0.0044 response and inclusion rate! Low survey response rates are very susceptible to self-selection bias - those responding to the survey do not represent the larger population and may be biased.
https://purescience.substack.com/p/nih- ... school?s=r

Even the Pediatrics article graph [Figure 2, page 23] for the correlation between primary and secondary cases for "universal masking" doesn't look particularly impressive - correlation coefficient of, maybe, 0.5? Even more suspect given the "low survey response" rate.

But I think that highlights something that John D suggested - very noisy signal, a great many confounding factors that mask whatever signal might be present. Which is why I argue for looking at the physics of masking, and at the epidemiological models that might be based on them; quite a decent article here on the former from, of all places, Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswith ... 9824755f3c

Clearly a substantial degree of leakage through and out the top of most masks. No doubt that the masks would "work" to limit the dispersion of virons which, in a controlled environment based on known numbers of people infected, would probably give a strong correlation between secondary infections versus masks or no masks. But at what cost? It's the cost-benefit ratio that has, or should have, some bearing on policies and mandates.

However, many people don't seem to have a clue how that is relevant, probably because they don't have much of a clue how models in general work, particularly those related to epidemiology. Bit of a murky and convoluted topic but an essential part seems to be the basic replication rate:
The most important uses of R0 are determining if an emerging infectious disease can spread in a population and determining what proportion of the population should be immunized through vaccination to eradicate a disease. In commonly used infection models, when R0>1 the infection will be able to start spreading in a population, but not if R0<1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

If masks substantially reduce that R0 number, and below 1, then that would be a policy with a low cost-benefit ratio. However, if the R0 remains well about 1 then the cost-benefit ratio would be substantially higher and, probably, not worth implementing mask policies.

Devils in the details that far too many refuse to face much less grapple with.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
John D wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
John D wrote: Oh… and as I drift off to sleep tonight I will think of ftp and steers and their beautiful lips on my ass. Good night all…
Haha. Everyone knows John D drifts off to sleep with a vibrator stuck up his needy asshole fantasizing about his daughter masturbating. Haha.
Sweet kisses to you... my little bitch.
No thanks ass worshipper. I never kiss weirdos that smell and taste their shit every time they take a dump.
You really need to talk to a shrink about your ass obsession.
My ass is important to me. I am glad you take an intertest in my rectum. I know you love it when I share the details of my life...

I had a fissure once. HOLY FUCK! It was so painful.... almost as bad as my kidney stone. What happened is that I rode on a bunch of roller coasters at Cedar Point. This is a very popular amusement park.... some of the best coasters in the world. So... somehow... riding a bunch of coasters fuck with my guts. The next morning I had an absolutely explosive shit. BAM!

What happened is that this massive shit tore a split in my ass hole. It is called an anal fissure. It is basically on open wound that is split right down to the muscle. Every time you shit the fucking thing splits open... you bleed... and then you have stabbing pain for about a hour. Ultimately, I was just weeks away from surgery when it started to heal. The trick is that you have to shit as little as possible... you need to avoid any kind of pushing... and you need to clean with water (toilet paper is the enemy!). I healed my fissure with patience, and water.

I have a special relationship with my asshole. I would not push anything into it. I fear that would open up my fissure again.... But... your sweet lips can kiss it. My sweet little sensitive ass hole.

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John D wrote: Oh… and as I drift off to sleep tonight I will think of ftp and steers and their beautiful lips on my ass. Good night all…
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Methinks you're suffering from this:

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This might help - probably more so than what is apparently your "heart's desire":

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Which probably doesn't say a lot - or much that is flattering - about your heart, figuratively or literally speaking.

In any case, while you're probably not listening - shit in your ears from having your head up your arse probably precluding much of that - others here might be interested in the bottom line - so to speak - on several questions you yourself raised. Or tried to evade as the case may be:
The Summary:

Ivermectin doesn’t reduce mortality in COVID a significant amount (let’s say d > 0.3) in the absence of comorbid parasites: 85-90% confidence

Parasitic worms are a significant confounder in some ivermectin studies, such that they made them get a positive result even when honest and methodologically sound: 50% confidence
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/i ... wanted?s=r

Though I was somewhat amused to see that one of better studies that the author, Scott Alexander, discussed seems to have had their thumbs on the scales by giving doxycline - a known anti-inflammatory antibiotic with some anti-viral effects - to the "treatment group" that they apparently didn't give to the "control group". In addition, the ivermectin dosage - 12 mg twice a day for 5 days - is substantially higher than the recommended dosages for deworming (12 mg once a year):
The treatment group received a single dose of ivermectin 12 mg and doxycycline 100 mg, twice daily for 5 days, in addition to standard of care.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.117 ... 5211013550

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

Rather a stretch to say that ivermectin "works" - at least as much in the way of an actual cure for covid; hardly better than a placebo.

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I had an anal fissure once, I still remember the way the doctor pronounced the word, not unlike Herman Munster George Gwynne mught have pronounced it in that cousin Vinny movie. My guess, as a certified internet proctologist, it was not so much the giant shit alone, as coupled with the riding of all those rides, asscheeks straddled akimbo across strange seats 1 East 1 Westspread your ass cheeks apart stretching the skin thin all day long, leaving thin vulnerable, did you ever watch when the pizza videos when the guy can actually see through the crust to the stretch so thin?

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Steers... you big dummy. I do not have... and did not have hemorrhoids. This is a totally different thing. Youall really need to get in touch with your rectum. You do not know what you are talking about. The poop-chute is a special thing. Until you have had a fissure you really have no idea how much you need to care for your anus. Kisses!

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That’s Fred Gwynne

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Yes thank you Fred Gwynne, enunciating 'fizzure' in a slow deliberate manner. I was a younger man back then so all things healed faster than they do nowadays but it was indeed months of a tiny but exquisitely annoying little feature also addressable with proper pooping posture, (the three p's) , cleanliness godliness and cursing as herein represented in the periodic table of swearing.

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Za-zen wrote: vaya con dios pYtters

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Good luck.

Rather doubt that Ukraine and the US are entirely blameless in that war - and in related issues, but seems clear that Putin & Russia are substantially worse by virtually any measure. Of maybe some related interest or value:

https://www.thebulwark.com/putins-bogus ... to-excuse/

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John D wrote: I have a special relationship with my asshole. I would not push anything into it. I fear that would open up my fissure again.... But... your sweet lips can kiss it. My sweet little sensitive ass hole.
Sounds like you'd love one of these...

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Note the column top of screen waiting for Ivan to scout 🧐 💥 😢

Note also the Russian crewman ejected and skidding to the left …


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Never gets old.


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The ravings of a mentally ill individual or an attempt at a parody site by someone with very poor writing skills? I honestly cannot tell which. It's as if someone extracted all of the memes and buzzwords used by the loopy right all the way through to the political centre and fed them into an article generator.

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Angriest Nurse In The World Just Read Pfizer Documents On Shockingly Harmful Documented Effects...
According to Dr. John Campbell-- the "9 pages" of "Adverse Events of Special Interest" is NOT a list of documented cases of the Pfizer Vax causing all-those syndromes & medical conditions.

Rather it is a list of things Doctors & Medical Professionals were supposed-to Pay Special Attention and Look-Out for.

So the angriest nurse is mistaken.

HOWEVER... Campbell also noted that: Not a single doctor he spoke-to... about that 9 page list... interpreted it correctly. EVERY doctor who saw it... thought it was a list of known side-effects representing actual cases.

(The actual list... of actual side-effects... known-to-Pfizer... is ample, and provided in the same document.)

AND... Campbell pointed-out that it was impossible for doctors to Pay Special Attention and Look-Out for all-those conditions... because Pfizer did not release the list until this-month/ when forced-to do-so by a court order.

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Brive1987 wrote: Never gets old.

Great post... thanks.

One of the last remaining in-tact Stukas is in the Chicago Museum of Science and Technology. I saw it with my German exchange student. When I told her what it was she had no idea. No concept of what this machine of death was doing in early WWII. She had no idea of what a dive-bomber was. No idea of the number of Europeans slaughtered by the thing. I don't think there are any left flying today... I could be wrong.

Like other WWII stuff that had some wood in the construction, some of the wars remains dissolved quickly. There where something like 30,000 LCVPs... the boat my dad piloted. As far as I can tell the only ones left have been practically built from scratch as replicas.

and I ponder.... We live in a different world now. Something like 30,000 Japanese died on Iwo Jima alone. I hear about the dozen people killed in Ukraine in one day. Is human life more valued now? A dozen vs. 30,000. I am not sure what to think about this.

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fuzzy wrote:
A parade of relatively fit healthy women in underwear. What am I missing? Most guys are like... um... yeah... I wish my wife was still that active and fit. I don't like blue hair however. I would have to cut that off in our first session. But... otherwise... let the spanking continue!

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Yeah, and they have a great U-Boat there too.

Stukas: http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/536a ... uka-part-1

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/histor ... imate.html

BTW, I love the name of the Stuka's siren - the Jericho Trumpet.

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John D wrote:
fuzzy wrote:
A parade of relatively fit healthy women in underwear. What am I missing? Most guys are like... um... yeah... I wish my wife was still that active and fit. I don't like blue hair however. I would have to cut that off in our first session. But... otherwise... let the spanking continue!
Only because of Twatson, I'm sure...

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John D wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Never gets old.

ht://youtu.be/nWxY7_iH
Great post... thanks.

One of the last remaining in-tact Stukas is in the Chicago Museum of Science and Technology. I saw it with my German exchange student. When I told her what it was she had no idea. No concept of what this machine of death was doing in early WWII. She had no idea of what a dive-bomber was. No idea of the number of Europeans slaughtered by the thing. I don't think there are any left flying today... I could be wrong.

Like other WWII stuff that had some wood in the construction, some of the wars remains dissolved quickly. There where something like 30,000 LCVPs... the boat my dad piloted. As far as I can tell the only ones left have been practically built from scratch as replicas.

and I ponder.... We live in a different world now. Something like 30,000 Japanese died on Iwo Jima alone. I hear about the dozen people killed in Ukraine in one day. Is human life more valued now? A dozen vs. 30,000. I am not sure what to think about this.
Some one still relevant to today said “ a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic”. 30k Japs? Meh. Saw the movie. Not impressed.

I’m pretty sure the Airfix generation of the 1970s were the last to actively engage with the specifics of WWII. Outside Netflix filler docos.

I mean who can differentiate between the First and Second Battle of Champagne 1914-1915 vs 1915-1916? French suffered 240K and 145K casualties respectively. Now it’s boring preamble to Verdun and the Somme.

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Lsuoma wrote: Only because of Twatson, I'm sure...
Only if they make sure the carpet matches the drapes.

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Yeah... Definitely a generational thing. I had a ton of plastic models of WWII stuff. Wish I still had it... haha. When I "grew up" in the 1970s I threw it all away... haha... idiot! I had a beautiful 1/32 scale P51. A late war escort version. What a great model. I had a little 1/300 scale Stuka. That was a fun model to fly around the house...... brrrrrrrawwwwwwwwww..... boom.

I am a history fan and an engineer... so I have odd interests compared to most. That Stuka in Chicago blew my mind.... haha.... and my family is like "What the fuck is wrong with dad???"

Funny story. I good friend of mine was a really good modeler. He had a 1/32 scale ME-109. God... it was perfect. His dad was also a modeler so in 1976 or so... he was the only kid I knew that had access to an airbrush. Fucking thing was perfect. Camo paint job... perfect decals. So. Because he wanted all the gaps to be correct he glued the propeller to the fuselage. This eliminated the usual unsightly gap. Well... we were used to 1/32 models... and... well hell... you could always spin the prop. The kits were all made that way. So... my friend Bill sees my friend Dave's perfect ME-109 model... finally finished.... and yeah. Bill snaps his finger on the prop to spin it. The god-damned model flew in the air and crashed on the floor. On man. Pieces of kit all over the place. Oh god.... poor Dave.

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Ummmm.... there are entire porn channels devoted to that body type. There are tons of guys that would be happy with her looks. I think that woman are just posing against each other in a kind of bitch-on-bitch looks war to see who can get the most clicks. Let the spanking continue!

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Brive1987 wrote: I’m pretty sure the Airfix generation of the 1970s were the last to actively engage with the specifics of WWII.
Call of Duty players, maybe.

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Service Dog wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: I’m pretty sure the Airfix generation of the 1970s were the last to actively engage with the specifics of WWII.
Call of Duty players, maybe.
Thought of them. But it’s more Doom with Mk2 grenades and Thompson’s.

The original Squad Leader board game however was an education. 😅

John, you can still buy “classic” Airfix such as the 1:72 88 with tractor, Bismarck, PoW, Lancaster etc. Even the age-less 1:72 German infantry pack 😜

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Brive porn:



Interesting as it has some throwbacks to the kirb era.

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Brive1987 wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: I’m pretty sure the Airfix generation of the 1970s were the last to actively engage with the specifics of WWII.
Call of Duty players, maybe.
Thought of them. But it’s more Doom with Mk2 grenades and Thompson’s.

The original Squad Leader board game however was an education. 😅

John, you can still buy “classic” Airfix such as the 1:72 88 with tractor, Bismarck, PoW, Lancaster etc. Even the age-less 1:72 German infantry pack 😜
I made this 1:32 scale LCVP kit for my dad two years ago, just before he died. This is not my model, but my result was similar. I still make plastic kits once in a while. I thought it would be cool to give my dad this model. I mounted it in a display case and added a brass label. We had it on display at his funeral. Now I have it on a shelf with all his war medals. I can't imagine what it must have been like to pilot a wood boat full of marines onto an enemy beach under fire. Fuck me.


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My dad usually served as the coxswain. He was a good pilot and engineer, but he was a lousy shot. The other guys on his boat (Schmitty and Jack) did the shooting.

Jack was an older guy (my dad was just 18). So Jack was a bit wiser in the ways of the world. The LCVP was supposed to run straight to the beach, but Jack would always direct my dad to follow a larger boat as far as possible to shield them from fire. My dad always said that Jack saved his life. My mom hated Jack... he borrowed $3000 from my dad in 1946... and never paid it back. Haha. My dad was the cheapest guy I ever met... but he didn't mind giving Jack that $3000. $3000 to the guy that saved your life... you bet.


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I love these old training films.... and I imagine the darkened room on the ship where my old dead dad used to watch them.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
The ravings of a mentally ill individual or an attempt at a parody site by someone with very poor writing skills? I honestly cannot tell which. It's as if someone extracted all of the memes and buzzwords used by the loopy right all the way through to the political centre and fed them into an article generator.
I'm not sure myself, hard to tell these days but I'm leaning to parody. The format is the news aggregator model where someone skims the internet and sticks a catchy headline to a goofy story, gets clicks, and hopefully profits.
The video with the nurse warning that vaccines are contagious and have caused blood clots the size of fists and menstrual clots the size of grapefruits was an extreme example of some of the misinformation out there.

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free thoughtpolice wrote: ...was an extreme example of some of the misinformation out there.
You tipped your hand there, creep.

You're all-too-happy to pretend... that an obviously-nutso website... is a run-of-the-mill example of your opponents' typical misinformation.


When Tucker Carlson questioned the rush-to-war with Russia-- you posted David Corn (co-conspirator in the Russia Russia Russia framing of Trump) writing nonsense in Mother Jones-- about Tucker Carlson being... what?

( I mean fuck-- technically-- David Corn accused Tucker of being Putin's David Corn. )

Smells like the same-old shit, to me.

If ER doctors report success with Ivermectin... CNN calls it "horse dewormer".

If Dr. Malone questions the safety of mRNA injections... creeps like you say his listeners fear "5G" or "magnets" or "nanobots".

Ask the wrong questions about that fishy mail-in election... and the response is "You believe in QAnon!"

Question the covid police state, bank account seizures, donor doxing, militarized police stomping truckers: ... "Anti-Vaxxer!"


I'll ask the same question-- you've been asked before: Where Did You Find This Link?

is it being passed-around among in your circles of Mother Jones subscribers? Or among cunts who watch The View?

Because this link-- is the perfect false flag factory-- for shitlips like you:

Shitlip#1: 'Hey, did you hear Hunter Biden fucked his dead brother's 14-year old daughter?'

Shitlip#2: "Whoa... hold on there... only FLAT-EARTHER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS believe that. See... this link says The Earth Is Flat & also the information on Hunter Biden's laptop is real. Which proves that neither are true."


Peter Bright was a reporter-- who used this smear-technique. He constantly scoffed-at "Pizzagate"... while calling himself DrPizza on Twitter & using a pizza emoji in his signature. And then...

https://media.patriots.win/post/Cjr1xb1vFHJS.jpeg

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Keating wrote: Brive porn:



Interesting as it has some throwbacks to the kirb era.
Always refreshing.

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Today’s Russian BBQ


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The United States must have the most mickey mouse "justice" system in the world. I was reminded of the Mercedes Carrera case and looked it up. She and her husband have been held without trial for over three years. I thought the USA was supposed to be the dog's bollocks, what with all your Constitutional Amendments and shit.
RANCHO CUCAMONGA, Calif. — The pretrial hearing in the Mercedes Carrera criminal case concerning multiple child sexual abuse charges against Carrera and her husband, which was scheduled for today at the Rancho Cucamonga courthouse in San Bernardino County, California, has been postponed once again, this time until March 25.

Carrera and her husband, Jason Whitney, were arrested after a police raid of their Rancho Cucamonga home on Feb. 1, 2019.

They have now been in county jail without trial for three years, first without bail and later, after they had liquidated their assets and had no source of income due to their incarceration, with bail set at $2 million for each.

A pretrial hearing to determine the jury selection process, and the date of the beginning of the actual trial, has already been postponed numerous times, most recently yesterday.

The new date of March 25, like several previous postponements, appeared in a document filed online.

The earliest date for the actual trial to begin has been set for late May.

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zou3gou3 wrote: RANCHO CUCAMONGA, Calif. — The pretrial hearing in the Mercedes Carrera criminal case concerning multiple...
Where did you find this news?

You did not name a news source or provide a link... so I searched for that text.

Did you see the article while perusing SexxxNews?


Or perhaps you were frequenting ANAL.Fighterz.com?


Or perhaps Porn Dot Indian Escorts In Malaysia Dot Com ? (thots with dots!)


:lol:

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I was not familiar with this case. So I read this link:
https://meaww.com/mercedes-carrera-porn ... stponed-12

From the comments section-- it appears the case has avid critics on both sides. Some are sure she's a degenerate drug addict child molester. Others are sure she's being unfairly persecuted by corrupt religious moral crusaders.

Some say the govt is dragging feet, due to a weak case against her. Some say her defense attorneys have been delaying proceedings, to stall because she's guilty.

Some talk about the loaded firearms, 2 lbs. of meth, & the porn video studio-- in the home with the child. Some say the firearms charges were dropped, the drug charges were dropped... and the 'porn video studio' might have been her bedroom-- with tacky decor & a webcam.

Either version seems plausible to me.

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zou3gou3 wrote: The United States must have the most mickey mouse "justice" system in the world. I was reminded of the Mercedes Carrera case and looked it up. She and her husband have been held without trial for over three years. I thought the USA was supposed to be the dog's bollocks, what with all your Constitutional Amendments and shit.
RANCHO CUCAMONGA, Calif. — The pretrial hearing in the Mercedes Carrera criminal case concerning multiple child sexual abuse charges against Carrera and her husband, which was scheduled for today at the Rancho Cucamonga courthouse in San Bernardino County, California, has been postponed once again, this time until March 25.

Carrera and her husband, Jason Whitney, were arrested after a police raid of their Rancho Cucamonga home on Feb. 1, 2019.

They have now been in county jail without trial for three years, first without bail and later, after they had liquidated their assets and had no source of income due to their incarceration, with bail set at $2 million for each.

A pretrial hearing to determine the jury selection process, and the date of the beginning of the actual trial, has already been postponed numerous times, most recently yesterday.

The new date of March 25, like several previous postponements, appeared in a document filed online.

The earliest date for the actual trial to begin has been set for late May.
Nope. The US is arguably a failed state. But if not, getting there very soon.

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Lsuoma wrote: Nope. The US is arguably a failed state. But if not, getting there very soon.
Define 'failed state.'


And yeah, our Constitution is so shitty, we've been failing with it for 234 years.

The authoritarian Left hates the Constitution. We'll fail if they succeed in undermining it under cover of repeated, manufactured emergencies.

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If the trial was delayed at 1. defense request 2. prosecution request 3. covid...

is this really an example of the problems in our system of justice?

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I would say that some characteristics of a failed state are:
1. government authorities acting illegally and without oversight. See police actions such as stealing cash money from people, working in concert with car pounds to tow cars unnecessarily and impeding owners from claiming them, planting drugs, lying in court, etc., etc. Not going to give links, but these are so easily findable.
2. Treating different classes of citizens differently wrt to taxation.
3. Favoring fictional entities over individuals.
4. Not preventing companies from destroying people's health in any number of ways (pollution, drug pushing, etc.)
5. Ignoring white collar crimes, or imposing derisory fines that are simply seen as the cost of doing business by the perps.

That's just a start. I'm assuming you are able to use search engines and can find a variety of definitions for failed state, and the US is moving towards many of them.

Here's a search that you can use: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=usa+failed+st ... 5-1&ia=web

FWIW, I know that you and I have very different opinions and viewpoints on a lot of stuff, so I'm not going to get into drilling down and examining details. It's a common tactic to ask people who disagree with you to do lots of work trying to refute your position by demanding input on all sorts of things.

I've seen the way you argue, often in bad faith, and as someone who is 62 next Friday, I'm not going to waste my time.

Feel free to crow that you've defeated me with your argument. I don't give a shit.

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Biden's diversity nominee seems to have gone easy on child pornographers:


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Lsuoma wrote: It's a common tactic to ask people who disagree with you to do lots of work trying to refute your position by demanding input on all sorts of things.
Unlike Damian was wont, If I ask an interlocutor to define a term they're using, it's not sophistry, but rather because I suspect their understanding of the term differs from the orthodox definition.

Out of the links you suggested -- most of which were editorials from hard left wing sources -- I found these two definitions:
There are two characteristics of a failed state. The first is that the government cannot project authority over the people and the territory. The second is that it is unable to protect its boundaries.

A failed state can’t implement public policies, infrastructure is not effectively built, and civil liberties and human rights are unprotected. There is no physical security for a failed state’s residents, and there is no stable political or economic systems in place.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... led-states


wiki wrote:A failed state is a political body that has disintegrated to a point where basic conditions and responsibilities of a sovereign government no longer function properly… A state can also fail if the government loses its legitimacy even if it is performing its functions properly… The Fund for Peace characterizes a failed state as having the following characteristics:
• Loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force
• Erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions
• Inability to provide public services
• Inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community

Had you argued that the Biden administration was dragging the US toward failed state status for the first time in its history, I'd have agreed. Most Democrat-run large cities, Seattle most notably, already meet the criteria.

Your personal definition seems to be: any state where police power is sometimes abused, and doesn't have a flat tax. Which would have every Western nation, aside from those non-existent anarchist-libertarian utopias, fit the bill. You're free to advocate those ideals (and I'd actually agree with you on some of the abuses), but it's imprecise, if not hyperbolic, to go Humpty Dumpty on the term "failed state."

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Lsuoma wrote: I would say that some characteristics of a failed state are:
1. government authorities acting illegally and without oversight. See police actions such as stealing cash money from people, working in concert with car pounds to tow cars unnecessarily and impeding owners from claiming them, planting drugs, lying in court, etc., etc. Not going to give links, but these are so easily findable.
2. Treating different classes of citizens differently wrt to taxation.
3. Favoring fictional entities over individuals.
4. Not preventing companies from destroying people's health in any number of ways (pollution, drug pushing, etc.)
5. Ignoring white collar crimes, or imposing derisory fines that are simply seen as the cost of doing business by the perps.

That's just a start. I'm assuming you are able to use search engines and can find a variety of definitions for failed state, and the US is moving towards many of them.

Here's a search that you can use: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=usa+failed+st ... 5-1&ia=web

FWIW, I know that you and I have very different opinions and viewpoints on a lot of stuff, so I'm not going to get into drilling down and examining details. It's a common tactic to ask people who disagree with you to do lots of work trying to refute your position by demanding input on all sorts of things.

I've seen the way you argue, often in bad faith, and as someone who is 62 next Friday, I'm not going to waste my time.

Feel free to crow that you've defeated me with your argument. I don't give a shit.
👍🙂 As someone who will be 74 in a couple of months - Gawd willing and the creek don't rise - I have to say that I "love that post" 😉

Lincoln said something to the effect that America is largely the last best hope of humanity; great deal of justification for that argument - some profoundly admirable and quite useful principles undergird the enterprise.

Rather sad, if not profoundly depressing, that so many seem to have lost sight of them, are so busy repudiating and abrogating them, so busy turning America into that "failed state" that you and Chomsky have talked of.

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For a failed state, there sure are plenty of people desperate to go live there!

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Just going to drop this here.


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Conan the Barbarian makes a heartfelt plea to the Russian people.
Unlike Tucker Carlson's Putin friendly just asking questions bits this will not likely air on Russian TV news.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:28 am
I would say that some characteristics of a failed state are:
1. government authorities acting illegally and without oversight. See police actions such as stealing cash money from people, working in concert with car pounds to tow cars unnecessarily and impeding owners from claiming them, planting drugs, lying in court, etc., etc. Not going to give links, but these are so easily findable.
2. Treating different classes of citizens differently wrt to taxation.
3. Favoring fictional entities over individuals.
4. Not preventing companies from destroying people's health in any number of ways (pollution, drug pushing, etc.)
5. Ignoring white collar crimes, or imposing derisory fines that are simply seen as the cost of doing business by the perps.

That's just a start. I'm assuming you are able to use search engines and can find a variety of definitions for failed state, and the US is moving towards many of them.

Here's a search that you can use: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=usa+failed+st ... 5-1&ia=web

FWIW, I know that you and I have very different opinions and viewpoints on a lot of stuff, so I'm not going to get into drilling down and examining details. It's a common tactic to ask people who disagree with you to do lots of work trying to refute your position by demanding input on all sorts of things.

I've seen the way you argue, often in bad faith, and as someone who is 62 next Friday, I'm not going to waste my time.

Feel free to crow that you've defeated me with your argument. I don't give a shit.
Still a long way from the worst offender when it comes to protecting citizens and while some of the problems you mention are egregious they are made up for by some of the more observed constitutional protections. When people think of a failed state they think more of a state with 500% inflation, an inability to protect people from crime at all and a breakdown of services. Without wishing to be partisan the Democrats are moving the country toward a failed state with failure to protect society from crime, rampant inflation and abuse of power and the justice system for political gain. Can't say if it'll all go back to normal or if enough damage has been done already. Americans seem to be taking the supremacy of the dollar for granted but there are definite signs that Eurasia and parts of the Middle East wish to move away from the dollar and if that happens the US is going to find itself in serious shit with the way it's been creating money. Tucker Carlson is absolutely right in asking if people understand the possible implications of the sanctions regime for America.

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Bhurzum wrote: For a failed state, there sure are plenty of people desperate to go live there!
🙂 Indeed.

Paraphrasing Churchill, America is the worst country to live in - excepting all the others ... 😉

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/267224 ... pt-for-all

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Bhurzum wrote: Just going to drop this here.

Love me some British understatement ... 😉

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Service Dog wrote: If the trial was delayed at 1. defense request 2. prosecution request 3. covid...

is this really an example of the problems in our system of justice?
Yes.
Either they are guilty or they are not. Surely it can't take three years for the state to come up with enough evidence to convict. They could have been released with ankle monitors to stop them absconding until the trial. If found innocent, who is going to compensate them for the years spent locked up?
They will have to be found guilty now, so that the three years can be taken into account.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:44 am
Biden's diversity nominee seems to have gone easy on child pornographers:

Can we take Hawley's word about her sentencing record?

Some of Jackson's points are at least arguable. As distasteful as pedophilia is, is it morally supportable to arrest and sentence someone so harshly for mere possession of images? It strikes me as taking shortcuts borne of frustration on the part of law enforcement. Who cares if someone wanks themselves silly over kiddie pics? Whether or not they are morally corrupt surely depends on whether they'd ever do anything to a child. We don't take such shortcuts when it comes to identified propensities for any other serious crimes, so why this one?

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:46 am
Conan the Barbarian makes a heartfelt plea to the Russian people.
Unlike Tucker Carlson's Putin friendly just asking questions bits this will not likely air on Russian TV news.
You mean Tucker Carlson's questions everyone should ask but don't because of the hysterical accusations of treason? Treason is now the go to accusation for asking people to consider what is in the national interest. Perhaps the Russians should be consulted for their opinion first before broadcasting anything. Among the things the Russian people won't see is Arnie's heartfelt plea.

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Bhurzum wrote: For a failed state, there sure are plenty of people desperate to go live there!
I didn't say it was the worst by any means. It's a mixed bag.

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There was a partial fix-up after McCarthy and after Nixon, but I'm not certain anything like that could happen now. I wouldn't be surprised (but I'm not predicting, yet) rioting and urban destruction that is going to make Watts seem tame.

Re Matt's point on Seattle, he's spot on (fuck that hurts! :-) ). I've lived in the SEA metro area for 20 years, and have seen it decay. Before coof my commute took me along the Blade, if I wanted the shortest route. There was open defecation, drug dealing, drug using, sex, violence there pretty much every day. There was a death by shooting a couple of weeks back and the police didn't even turn up for the 911 call. The McD's there was nicknamed McStabby's.

Now it's spreading N and S along 3rd. Downtown Seattle has failed. Other parts (Laurelhurst, Madison Park, Madison Valley) are VERY chi-chi.

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/br ... ug-market/

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zou3gou3 wrote:
Service Dog wrote: If the trial was delayed at 1. defense request 2. prosecution request 3. covid...

is this really an example of the problems in our system of justice?
Yes.
Either they are guilty or they are not. Surely it can't take three years for the state to come up with enough evidence to convict. They could have been released with ankle monitors to stop them absconding until the trial. If found innocent, who is going to compensate them for the years spent locked up?
They will have to be found guilty now, so that the three years can be taken into account.
Hard to know the truth in the Carrera case. There are a number of things working against her if she goes to trial. She is a porn actress and she had meth in the house. I don't know why the guns are a problem but it is California.... they hate boom-sticks.

I wouldn't be surprised if her ex-husband is lying about the whole thing... but I wouldn't be shocked if she is guilty. Quite a mess.

It sounds like the prosecutor could be intentionally delaying because it is not a good case. Of all the government jobs, prosecutors could be the most corrupt. There have been many cases here in Michigan where prosecutors go after people who are clearly innocent just to get their name in the news.

Old Story - My wife was an assistant manager at a day care in the 1990s. One day the cops showed up. They were investigating a claim by one of the kid's fathers. He claimed that his wife was taking their daughter to this day care where they were molesting her. It was a bid by him to get custody. They interviewed all the employees. Fortunately, their standard procedure was to always have two workers in the rooms at all times. The cops left without any other visits. Still... really scary shit. Just getting accused of such a thing can ruin you. That was one day that I had respect for the police.

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Lsuoma wrote: There was open defecation, drug dealing, drug using, sex, violence there pretty much every day.
This makes me wonder why you once said: "the fact that you report "interesting" and "streety" stuff very frequently makes you very suspect as a reporter.... I suspect you are a great tailor of the whole cloth."

So many places are shitholes now.

Lately, I've been wondering whether my low-rent bohemian neighborhood-- was an obstacle for big-money development.

So they intentionally made it worse here... so they can swoop-in & "save" it.

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Bhurzum wrote: Just going to drop this here.

The guy on the left seems uncomfortable.

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Service Dog wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: There was open defecation, drug dealing, drug using, sex, violence there pretty much every day.
This makes me wonder why you once said: "the fact that you report "interesting" and "streety" stuff very frequently makes you very suspect as a reporter.... I suspect you are a great tailor of the whole cloth."

So many places are shitholes now.

Lately, I've been wondering whether my low-rent bohemian neighborhood-- was an obstacle for big-money development.

So they intentionally made it worse here... so they can swoop-in & "save" it.
The suburbs are the bomb. My city of Troy Michigan was just voted the best city in Michigan in one recent analysis.

So....

1) Crime is low. The only shootings here are from gang members that have traveled the 5 to 15 miles up the highway from Detroit. They sometimes shoot the crap out of each other in the parking lot of a hotel or shop. There is some property crime because we have a bunch of malls and shops. No one in a suspicious looking car is ignored in the neighborhoods. We are ALL WATCHING and many of us are armed. Except for shoplifting, Troy is the last place you want to go to do your particular crime. We also have a highly paid professional police force.

2) Location. I can get downtown in 15 minutes on a good day. I can see whatever show or sporting event I want in very little time. I can then turn around and get home for bedtime.

3) Food - Troy has about 100 places to eat. Little mom and pop places and big fancy stuff. You name it.

4) The cost of entry - You need to DRIVE. Troy is the model of a 1960s suburb. Beautiful nearly rural neighborhoods with big lots and trees and wildlife. Drive a mile and you get to the services... shops, car dealers, food, etc. It is all based on driving.

5) Diversity - The Troy Rec Center is full of brown, black, yellow, and white people. If you can afford the cost of entry you are in the club. The promise of a life well lived on a middle class salary. My neighbors are engineers and doctors and teachers of all colors.

6) Flat - It does take me 30 minutes to drive to the big lake. This is not ideal, but the rest of the plusses make up for this in my view.

7) Accused of being boring - My oldest daughter told me that one survey had Troy as the most boring city in Michigan. Well... if great schools, great services, safety, and convenience are boring... well... I accept.

It is funny as I start to get old. I just want to be with "my people". People who value security. People who want to be able to walk their dog at night. People who have worked hard... slaved away... to get to a good spot in America. People who maintain their yard and house. People who want to educate their kids and try to launch them into a successful copy of your own values (this is the hardest part... haha)

I honestly don't know why anyone would want to live in a big city right now. The world is at your fingertips with the internet and computer connections. What is the appeal to living in Seattle or New York? I don't understand.

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free thoughtpolice wrote: Conan the Barbarian makes a heartfelt plea to the Russian people.


Does it bother you-- that the video pretends that Russian Soldiers are the intended-audience?

But, actually, the audience of attn: is just a bunch of Hillary Clinton Bobbleheads, like you.


Here's another attn: video, also featuring Arnold Schwartzengger, also pretending to address someone-other than the real audience.

And this video also about NAZI's and NEO-NAZI's !

Arnold had a veeeeeeery different opinion about Nazi Flags... a few short years ago...

Watch the one ftp posted. Then watch this:



Plenty-there for Putin to broadcast on Russian TV !

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