Periodic Table of Swearing

[CommanderTuvok]

Amusing spat between Damion Reinhardt ‏@D4M10N and Stefunny ‏@szvan on Twitter.

Black Svan is claiming that the skepchick audience DID NOT applaud the censorship of the ERV blog. Funny that, because if you watch (difficult I know) that video, it certainly appears to be the case that they did. While wanting to take credit for banning and censoring the Slime threads, Svan certainly doth protest too much that she is against censorship, etc.

Fucking liar.

[James Onen]

Interesting... and somehow relevant, I think.

The respectable media’s war against “trolling” continually mixes together prejudicial spite with political thinking, as if there is no difference between them. So feminist bloggers who rail against misogynistic trolling wring their hands over everything from threats of rape, which are very serious and potentially illegal, to ridicule of feminism, which is just a form of political criticism – often not very sophisticated criticism, but so what? One news report on the problem of misogynistic trolling lumped together commenters who make “threats of rape” with commenters who are “strongly and personally antagonistic towards feminism”. That is outrageous. Feminism is a political ideology and thus must be open to criticism, even stinging, hurtful criticism. To compare ridicule of feminism with the threat to rape a female writer is a kind of censorious moral blackmail, where the aim is clearly to demonise critics of feminism by associating them with foul blokes who get off on writing emails about rape.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brend ... ensorious/

[Dilurk]

Interesting... and somehow relevant, I think.

The respectable media’s war against “trolling” continually mixes together prejudicial spite with political thinking, as if there is no difference between them. So feminist bloggers who rail against misogynistic trolling wring their hands over everything from threats of rape, which are very serious and potentially illegal, to ridicule of feminism, which is just a form of political criticism – often not very sophisticated criticism, but so what? One news report on the problem of misogynistic trolling lumped together commenters who make “threats of rape” with commenters who are “strongly and personally antagonistic towards feminism”. That is outrageous. Feminism is a political ideology and thus must be open to criticism, even stinging, hurtful criticism. To compare ridicule of feminism with the threat to rape a female writer is a kind of censorious moral blackmail, where the aim is clearly to demonise critics of feminism by associating them with foul blokes who get off on writing emails about rape.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brend ... ensorious/

Excellent find. Exactly what RW did to Stef.

Lsuoma please can these threads be moved to the proper blog you have set up? Please. I am getting annoyed with the way when I forget to log in that logging in takes me right back to the beginning of the blog index and not the place I was trying to reply to. It would also be nice to see SN back.

Anyone else annoyed or is it just me? ;-)

[ERV]

Amusing spat between Damion Reinhardt ‏@D4M10N and Stefunny ‏@szvan on Twitter.

Black Svan is claiming that the skepchick audience DID NOT applaud the censorship of the ERV blog. Funny that, because if you watch (difficult I know) that video, it certainly appears to be the case that they did. While wanting to take credit for banning and censoring the Slime threads, Svan certainly doth protest too much that she is against censorship, etc.

Fucking liar.

Damion kicks ass.

He went to the USAFA, law school, something super crazy mathy now, I think. He and his also super-cool wife are some of the smartest people I know here in OK. And not the 'so smart theyre weird', but 'so smart its genuinely fun to have conversations with them'.

Damion is a huge reason OKC Atheists are who they are today-- basically-- EXACTLY what people like FTBullies say they want: lots of women/brown people/gay people/red headed people, not just as members, but in leadership positions. Every meetup is extremely safe. We actually had a Very Real safety/sexual issue, and the pres addressed it professionally and not via blog post/Youtube.

When Damion suggested to Greta Christina that she stop and think before she posted BS like her 'OMFG UPSKIRT CAMERA GUY WARBLEGARBLE!' post in a ridiculously professional manner, Svan jumped up to call Damion a 'concern troll'. Thats it. Thats how she addressed very real criticism. (along with a pile of other BS from Christinas commentors)

Seriously, not one cells worth of sincerity in Svans body, and again, Damion rocks.

[James Onen]

That article from the Telegraph about liberals and trolls made be think... There are many commenters in the Slime Pit who are the epitome of civility - people like Notung, Ardent and Armchair Skeptic come to mind. They advance calm, reasoned, critiques of FTB irrationality and mob culture. In my last post at the original Periodic Table of Swearing I referred to such people as the 'diplomats'. But then whenever ERV or the Slime Pit is mentioned by the FTB gang its always in relation to our alleged collective threat to "kick women in the cunt" - as if that encapsulates our collective position. That's why I also find what Notung said in his recent blog post interesting...

It seems clear to me that PZ allows commenters who make the ‘other side’ look bad, and bans those who argue calmly and reasonably. This creates the illusion that one side is calm and rational (his side) and the other side is ranting and raving, and I say that is dishonest of him to do so.

http://notungblog.wordpress.com/2012/07 ... last-post/

[Dilurk]

That article from the Telegraph about liberals and trolls made be think... There are many commenters in the Slime Pit who are the epitome of civility - people like Notung, Ardent and Armchair Skeptic come to mind. They advance calm, reasoned, critiques of FTB irrationality and mob culture. In my last post at the original Periodic Table of Swearing I referred to such people as the 'diplomats'. But then whenever ERV or the Slime Pit is mentioned by the FTB gang its always in relation to our alleged collective threat to "kick women in the cunt" - as if that encapsulates our collective position. That's why I also find what Notung said in his recent blog post interesting...

It seems clear to me that PZ allows commenters who make the ‘other side’ look bad, and bans those who argue calmly and reasonably. This creates the illusion that one side is calm and rational (his side) and the other side is ranting and raving, and I say that is dishonest of him to do so.

http://notungblog.wordpress.com/2012/07 ... last-post/

Of course! Which is why I prefer the term Twitson. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/twit) It's much more polite, it's not a gendered insult after all.

I was cured of the bad werdz are bad disease years ago when HHGttG was first out. Something about porn and snails. They are just words, nothing magical about them, except how you put them together.

[Scented Nectar]

Hi there. I'm following all the posts by RSS, which lets me read everything here without the forum format. Sorry about my allergy to posting to forums, but I'll try and pop in sometimes anyways. What can I say, it makes me a bit mental and gone back in time (I was into forums as my internet main activity until about 2 1/2 years ago). Anyways, it's not personal or anything. It's one of those "it's me babe not you" kinds of thing. :)

[Dilurk]

Hi there. I'm following all the posts by RSS, which lets me read everything here without the forum format. Sorry about my allergy to posting to forums, but I'll try and pop in sometimes anyways. What can I say, it makes me a bit mental and gone back in time (I was into forums as my internet main activity until about 2 1/2 years ago). Anyways, it's not personal or anything. It's one of those "it's me babe not you" kinds of thing. :)

Good. I don't like forums either at all at all. Lsuoma did make a real blog thingy but no one is using it yet. I know Lsuoma was in the middle of a move but when that is over with, it would be grand to see all these posts moved over. Keeping the forums for those who want to use it for what it is good at.

So how about a "Bad form Rebecca" button? Would that fit? The horde keeps trying to say it was all about EG, which it wasn't.

[franc]

Hi there. I'm following all the posts by RSS, which lets me read everything here without the forum format.

Burp. Hate to break it to you, but Ophelia doesn't like you -

**Corrected. I’d tried to find where I said anything about parallel logic and failed, but ever-attentive “Scented Nectar” rushed to point out exactly where I said it. She’s a scholar in the subject.

Bonus graphic to entice you back - http://i.imgur.com/XElxn.jpg

[James Onen]

LIVE BLOGGING FROM THE DEL MAR LOUNGE:

The Del Mar Lounge is packed with TAM-goers enjoying skeptical conviviality and friendship. The crowd is mostly male, but there are plenty if women there too. I have not noticed any difference in social norms for thing like hugging from previous TAMs. I am beginning to think that the FtB/Skepchick Axis has failed (at least so far) in their scheme/conspiracy to destroy the Jref/TAM and replace them with a more compliant group like CFI. That is a happy revelation.

http://www.skepticalabyss.com/?p=82

[JAB]

So, hugging at TAM... am I to understand that if someone has a "hug me" label on their shirt then you have a legal right to hug the person? No form in triplicate needed? No notary involved? Good to know.

What about if someone has a "kick me" sign on their back?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Well, all we need now would be a dose of JCW, a nice drop of MKG, and a reasonable amount of Justicar. The old team would be back on track in a whiff!

SN: Hi there! This thread doesn't actually work as a standard forum thread. It's very close, almost similar, to what you could get on Abbie's threads (no edits, no moderation, even if Lsuoma wants us to believe otherwise, crafty bastard). I always keep the Periodic window open, and update from time to time to see anything new. Sometimes, I even post!!!111one!!!eleven!!!

Did I make all this about me again? Fuck!

[Parge]

Burp. Hate to break it to you, but Ophelia doesn't like you -

**Corrected...

It feels like Christmas, doesn't it?

[Dilurk]

http://ohthehumanityofitall.blogspot.ca ... art-1.html biased article on #FTBullies I note Notung has responded.

[Caede]

Alright, I'm certain that I'm going to regret posting this, but I'm pretty much outside of all of this, being a total nobody who just consumes all these blogs, feeds and other miscellanea.

I got interested in reading ScienceBlogs back around the time it first started. I'm not sure how I found my way there, but it was probably an incident where I was arguing global warming with friends and found myself on Tim Lambert's blog. From there, I realized there was an interesting network of other folks and found this whole concept of 'science blogging' and 'skeptic blogging' that I didn't know existed. Soon after, the combined feed got added into my RSS reader and I was reading everything from shoe-picks from Isis to Orac's railing against woo. I started consuming most of the blogs there, taking the science and ignoring most of the rest. Comment threads? What comments?

I have always enjoyed Abbie's science posts. I still really enjoy Abbie's science posts, although she needs a proofreader.
I have always enjoyed PZ's science posts. I still enjoy PZ's science posts, and I also enjoy his takedowns of creationists and wacky hijinks.
I have always enjoyed listening to SGU. I've never heard Rebecca say anything on SGU that bothered me, and I consider her a worthwhile part of their panel each week.
I have always enjoyed social commentary and other skeptic-related postings from a large number of blogs, spread across ScienceBlogs, freethoughtblogs and everywhere else in the ether.
I have always enjoyed the forays into humor and non-science, although I cared not a whit for whatever dick-sword-fights were occurring. (I will say Abbie probably has a bigger dicksword, but that's neither here nor there.)

From my perspective, the 'slyme pit' folks and the 'pharanguylites' both seem to agree on about, oh, 85% of topics. Taken individually, you all seem to be very cogent, rational people; but put you in a comment thread, and shit gets flung in every direction; you form teams, blast back and forth with bizarre ad hominems and just express a general lust for arguing. Arguing for the sake of arguing, long after the argument is over. WE MUST BE RIGHT, WE CAN GIVE NO GROUND. That fighting is what has exposed this weird, slimy underbelly of the skeptic movement: people who love to argue just for the sake of arguing. Sit any two of you down (well, except maybe Hoggle) in a room together, and I bet you get along swimmingly and agree on all sorts of shit. You'd probably even hug. It could even be a boob hug, with no one feeling molested.

What's sad about this is that I look at people 'new' to FTB and see a real horrible thing happening; for example, let's look at Cristina Rad: I'd never heard of her before, because I never really followed YouTube folks. Similary, I'd never heard of Thunderf00t. I immediately found I didn't care for Thunderf00t (a whole other tangent: I didn't like Thunderf00t's content, but I believe he was drummed off FtB in a way that did not reflect well on FtB management and he got a raw deal there), but Cristina is pretty amusing and I've enjoyed watching through some of her videos and reviews. Recently, she posted some videos from CONvergence/Skepchickcon, and she gets lambasted and 'disliked' to oblivion on her YouTube feed... simply for the crime of sitting within 5 feet of someone else from FTB or Skepchick.

What makes this even more amazing is that we now have two sides of people trying to 'out-bully' each other: you have the slimepit and supporters (more specifically, the Anti-RW faction) claiming that FtB is bullying everyone and everything, and you have the FtB claiming that the Slimepit and supporters are bullying everyone and everything. You're a bully! No, you're a misogynist! It's becoming about who has the loudest megaphone and is willing to yell into it until they are hoarse, and it's really friggin' retarded. I daresay, it's like being kicked in the cunt over and over, and I don't even have one.

It seems like every few days there's a rehash of the timeline of how we got 'here', and each side has their own bizarre spin on events -- ignoring the things that may be distasteful from 'their' side and seizing on things they find distasteful from the other. Everyone winds up looking like little children running around and pinching each other, then tattling when they see the same behavior. I have images in my head of a toddler PZ, a toddler John Greg, a toddler Rebecca Watson, a toddler Paula Kirby, a creepy grown Hoggle, a toddler Abbie... all running around, smearing jam in each other's hair and then crying to their mommies. No one is clean, everyone is a mess.

There are good messages here, but there is a lot of bad messaging and a lot of intentional corruption of the messaging. This isn't being skeptical, it's being children and not realizing when you aren't arguing for the right reasons.

...alright, having thoroughly embarrassed myself and failed to make a point, I feel better now. Carry on.

[Dilurk]

Alright, I'm certain that I'm going to regret posting this, but I'm pretty much outside of all of this, being a total nobody who just consumes all these blogs, feeds and other miscellanea.

I got interested in reading ScienceBlogs back around the time it first started. I'm not sure how I found my way there, but it was probably an incident where I was arguing global warming with friends and found myself on Tim Lambert's blog. From there, I realized there was an interesting network of other folks and found this whole concept of 'science blogging' and 'skeptic blogging' that I didn't know existed. Soon after, the combined feed got added into my RSS reader and I was reading everything from shoe-picks from Isis to Orac's railing against woo. I started consuming most of the blogs there, taking the science and ignoring most of the rest. Comment threads? What comments?

Same here actually, I've only just delurked myself. Ditto for the most part on the comment threads, they are a cesspool at PZ's so I never read them.
It was only when certain people started calling up bosses and complaining that I began to get annoyed. I have been harassed and stalked, I know what that is like. There is no excuse for it. Despite the occasional nasty to the North American ear word, ;-) I have never seem the slimepitters pile on and bully someone for making a comment, unlike the other guys. That to me is what adults do, respect each others ideas even if they disagree. I don't see that in many places, so I'd rather have the occasional bad word and respect then the nice pink fluffy kitten wording elsewhere with no respect. That's my take on it.

I have always enjoyed Abbie's science posts. I still really enjoy Abbie's science posts, although she needs a proofreader.
I have always enjoyed PZ's science posts. I still enjoy PZ's science posts, and I also enjoy his takedowns of creationists and wacky hijinks.
I have always enjoyed listening to SGU. I've never heard Rebecca say anything on SGU that bothered me, and I consider her a worthwhile part of their panel each week.

Yes, Abbie's science is top notch, but I find myself reading PZ less and less because there is less and less science. I am tired of the drama, the name calling, the bullying.

I have always enjoyed social commentary and other skeptic-related postings from a large number of blogs, spread across ScienceBlogs, freethoughtblogs and everywhere else in the ether.
I have always enjoyed the forays into humor and non-science, although I cared not a whit for whatever dick-sword-fights were occurring. (I will say Abbie probably has a bigger dicksword, but that's neither here nor there.)

Well, you have just inadvertently pointed out the hypocrisy, 'Dick' is slang for penis. So it is ok to use rude crude words to refer to power as long as they are male words, females aren't powerful so it is disgusting to use rude crude female words to refer to power. How misogynist. Considering that in one state legislature a female senator(?) (I'm not USAnian) was tossed out because she had the nerve to say the word VAGINA, the nerve of her. Obviously polite words for female genitalia aren't powerful either.

From my perspective, the 'slyme pit' folks and the 'pharanguylites' both seem to agree on about, oh, 85% of topics. Taken individually, you all seem to be very cogent, rational people; but put you in a comment thread, and shit gets flung in every direction; you form teams, blast back and forth with bizarre ad hominems and just express a general lust for arguing. Arguing for the sake of arguing, long after the argument is over. WE MUST BE RIGHT, WE CAN GIVE NO GROUND. That fighting is what has exposed this weird, slimy underbelly of the skeptic movement: people who love to argue just for the sake of arguing. Sit any two of you down (well, except maybe Hoggle) in a room together, and I bet you get along swimmingly and agree on all sorts of shit. You'd probably even hug. It could even be a boob hug, with no one feeling molested.

And that is a tragedy. I have said it before, I think the lot of them need to go out drinking somewhere and have a beer. Textual communication is difficult, we miss all the tone. I note that a number of people have had beer together and gotten along, then suddenly in text they are raging at each other. Obviously we cannot all be Jean Kazez.

What's sad about this is that I look at people 'new' to FTB and see a real horrible thing happening; for example, let's look at Cristina Rad: I'd never heard of her before, because I never really followed YouTube folks. Similary, I'd never heard of Thunderf00t. I immediately found I didn't care for Thunderf00t (a whole other tangent: I didn't like Thunderf00t's content, but I believe he was drummed off FtB in a way that did not reflect well on FtB management and he got a raw deal there), but Cristina is pretty amusing and I've enjoyed watching through some of her videos and reviews. Recently, she posted some videos from CONvergence/Skepchickcon, and she gets lambasted and 'disliked' to oblivion on her YouTube feed... simply for the crime of sitting within 5 feet of someone else from FTB or Skepchick.

What makes this even more amazing is that we now have two sides of people trying to 'out-bully' each other: you have the slimepit and supporters (more specifically, the Anti-RW faction) claiming that FtB is bullying everyone and everything, and you have the FtB claiming that the Slimepit and supporters are bullying everyone and everything. You're a bully! No, you're a misogynist! It's becoming about who has the loudest megaphone and is willing to yell into it until they are hoarse, and it's really friggin' retarded. I daresay, it's like being kicked in the cunt over and over, and I don't even have one.

I think there was a lot of pent up anger due to the ban hammering, the mansplaining (Why does PZ get to tell me what I should feel?) the hypocrisy. Personally I wish y'all would grow up and accept atheists are not going to agree on 100% of everything, just get on with the real battle. I hope that can happen sometime, but I am not holding my breath.

The funny thing is, if I stated that on PZs blog, I'd be shouted down for talking with those slimepitters. I don't expect to be piled on here at all. I will be disagreed with sure, but respected. You tell me which is worse.

It seems like every few days there's a rehash of the timeline of how we got 'here', and each side has their own bizarre spin on events -- ignoring the things that may be distasteful from 'their' side and seizing on things they find distasteful from the other. Everyone winds up looking like little children running around and pinching each other, then tattling when they see the same behavior. I have images in my head of a toddler PZ, a toddler John Greg, a toddler Rebecca Watson, a toddler Paula Kirby, a creepy grown Hoggle, a toddler Abbie... all running around, smearing jam in each other's hair and then crying to their mommies. No one is clean, everyone is a mess.

There are good messages here, but there is a lot of bad messaging and a lot of intentional corruption of the messaging. This isn't being skeptical, it's being children and not realizing when you aren't arguing for the right reasons.

...alright, having thoroughly embarrassed myself and failed to make a point, I feel better now. Carry on.

Hey, I've referred to them as children I should know, I am now a grandma.

You did not embarrass yourself at all, and you made a good point. I am not piling on you, I don't think anyone else here will either.

[AndrewV69]

For those who would appreciate some background, here is to my mind a pretty good outline as to how the ball started rolling:

http://freethoughtkampala.wordpress.com ... vatorgate/

[Dilurk]

For those who would appreciate some background, here is to my mind a pretty good outline as to how the ball started rolling:

http://freethoughtkampala.wordpress.com ... vatorgate/

This is pretty good, fairly neutral as far as I can tell. I'd give it a thumbs up as well.

[Parge]

Hi Caede. You bring up some good points and have a pretty good view of the situation as an outsider. But of course, as I'm responding, I have a few quibbles.

Arguing for the sake of arguing, long after the argument is over. WE MUST BE RIGHT, WE CAN GIVE NO GROUND. That fighting is what has exposed this weird, slimy underbelly of the skeptic movement: people who love to argue just for the sake of arguing.

Now arguing is a fine pastime. It has a long and honorable history. When two rational people engage in a debate, anything could happen: one or the other could change their position, both could respectfully disagree, or both could abandon their position as indefensible. It's good for democracy. It advances good ideas. It keeps people engaged and thinking. I think what keeps people chugging along on this forum is the fact that good, healthy argument is impossible on some of the key "Free Thought" blogs. Dissent is not often welcome there, and it usually gets shouted down, edited, deleted, or banned. That doesn't happen here. That's the way we like it.

Sit any two of you down (well, except maybe Hoggle) in a room together, and I bet you get along swimmingly and agree on all sorts of shit. You'd probably even hug. It could even be a boob hug, with no one feeling molested.

Very likely, although I don't think you'd find any takers if Laden was offering hugs. I really don't understand why everyone keeps piling on Franc. Sure, he pushes buttons. I think he aims to be just as offensive as his targets are. It's subjective, I know, but I don't really see the offensiveness imbalance. You'd think those little hand grenades - the bad werds, the funny pictures - were his only contribution to this ongoing discussion. Go and read that commentary on TamTamPamela he linked to earlier and see if he resembles the monster you've made him up to be in your brain.

... and she gets lambasted and 'disliked' to oblivion on her YouTube feed... simply for the crime of sitting within 5 feet of someone else from FTB or Skepchick.

Youtube comments are a breeding ground for trolls and the eternally adolescent. Anyone who takes them seriously is a noob fag. ;)

You're a bully! No, you're a misogynist! It's becoming about who has the loudest megaphone and is willing to yell into it until they are hoarse, and it's really friggin' retarded.

Your ableist priviledge is showing. I kid. That whole #FTBullies thing is a great example of the hypocrisy many of us are trying to shine a light on. A few people, some not even affiliated with the slimepit, tweeted criticisms of FTB with that hash tag. Shortly thereafter, FTB supporters ganged up and Pharyngulated/Freeped the tag with bad jokes to drown out dissent. And that misogynist label is flung around far to liberally. I think of it as a vile slander, but I'm biassed. If you can actually find misogynists on this forum, let us know.

I daresay, it's like being kicked in the cunt over and over, and I don't even have one.

Now you've done it. Just as a fun little exercise, of the 4 posts by Hoggle on this page (so far), how many of those include one of the 4 CK references on the page?

It seems like every few days there's a rehash of the timeline of how we got 'here', and each side has their own bizarre spin on events -- ignoring the things that may be distasteful from 'their' side and seizing on things they find distasteful from the other.

One of the big sticking points, at least on this side, is the idea of historic revisionism. The timeline needs to be rehashed because in some cases it turns into a game of chinese whispers and facts drop out, lose their context, or get spun for political gain. If you had been following closely, you'd find that most of us have no qualms in coming clean when we have been in error. If you look at all of the facts, warts and all, you'll come to a more honest conclusion.

a creepy grown Hoggle

Again with the Hoggle! I hope he appreciates his role as a lightning-rod/whipping-boy because he certainly doesn't deserve it.

All that said, we do appreciate new voices, whether we entirely agree with them or not. Come out of the woodwork more often. You might enjoy yourself!

[John Greg]

Phil G, in regards to your post (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... =400#p1356), no, we are not going to see any sort of a reasonable amount of Justicar ever again.

If you visit his blog (http://integralmath.blogspot.ca/), and I do not recommend that you do, you will see that Justi has completely flipped his lid, and is now obbsessed with pulling an FfTB on me, in particular (with outrageous and dishonest misrepresentation), and Slyme People in general, including dismissing and betraying all of his former friends at ERV, except Abbie, of course.

To all intents and purposes, in so far as approach, honesty, and rationality, though not content, goes Justicar is now, unquestionably, a full-blown Baboon.

And that, as they say, is that.

[Saint N.]

Not to derail any serious conversation going on, but I just noticed there were over 100 registered members on this forum. I know numbers don't mean anything when it comes to substance, however considering that this place is only a little over a week old and we've practically had little to no endorsement from people in the skeptics/atheist community who are technically on our side against the FTBullies, I think Lsuoma and everyone else here deserves a pat on the back (in a professional, non-harassing, non-threatening, "safe-space" approved kinda way, of course ;) )

[Git]

I think Lsuoma and everyone else here deserves a pat on the back (in a professional, non-harassing, non-threatening, "safe-space" approved kinda way, of course ;) )

Fuck that, everyone here is getting proper hearty bear-hug-style pats-on-the-backs! The sort that would make an Aussie proud.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Phil G, in regards to your post (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... =400#p1356), no, we are not going to see any sort of a reasonable amount of Justicar ever again.

If you visit his blog (http://integralmath.blogspot.ca/), and I do not recommend that you do, you will see that Justi has completely flipped his lid, and is now obbsessed with pulling an FfTB on me, in particular (with outrageous and dishonest misrepresentation), and Slyme People in general, including dismissing and betraying all of his former friends at ERV, except Abbie, of course.

To all intents and purposes, in so far as approach, honesty, and rationality, though not content, goes Justicar is now, unquestionably, a full-blown Baboon.

And that, as they say, is that.

That's his choice, then. He's a free agent and probably knows what's best for him. It sucks that he's pilling up on some commenters (Franc and yourself, for exemple) out of a personal vendetta, but there's nothing to be done about it . Fucking shame, though, because his rational posts were undeniably grandiose in their deconstruction of the FC5 (6) fallacies. I'm not ashamed to say I will miss his inputs, and I still consider him some kind of friend I would not hesitate a second to invite him for beer. Just as I do consider Slimepitters in general...

[Saint N.]

Fuck that, everyone here is getting proper hearty bear-hug-style pats-on-the-backs! The sort that would make an Aussie proud.

Fine, as long as there is no coffee involved. That shit's deadly, I hear.

I don't know if it's been linked to already here (I don't see it), but Russell has a neat post on the "no-hugging" policy: http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=5102

The discussion in the comments is worth checking out.

[Scented Nectar]

Uh oh, it seems that using Reader to view posts, and gathering up my replies in Textpad so that I can do it all in one reply, I forgot that I would have to remember which thread or threads the following replies should be in. Argh, like I didn't dislike forums enough. :cry:

Dilurk, I'll add "Bad Form Rebecca" to the list. Not sure when exactly I'm going to make a new batch though. However, meanwhile, if you click customize on any of the buttons, you can remove the graphic and do a text button using Zazzles choices of fonts and sizes etc, with any text you like.

Franc, I've also been suspecting that Ofearya doesn't like me. She notes that I've corrected her showing where she did indeed use 'parallel logic', yet she doesn't seem at all happy that I've helped her be more accurate. Do I have body odour or something? Y she no grateful????

Phil, you didn't make it all about you. You explained an easy way to follow the thread. :)

[Caede]

I have never seem the slimepitters pile on and bully someone for making a comment, unlike the other guys. That to me is what adults do, respect each others ideas even if they disagree. I don't see that in many places, so I'd rather have the occasional bad word and respect then the nice pink fluffy kitten wording elsewhere with no respect. That's my take on it.

...

I think there was a lot of pent up anger due to the ban hammering, the mansplaining (Why does PZ get to tell me what I should feel?) the hypocrisy. Personally I wish y'all would grow up and accept atheists are not going to agree on 100% of everything, just get on with the real battle. I hope that can happen sometime, but I am not holding my breath.

The funny thing is, if I stated that on PZs blog, I'd be shouted down for talking with those slimepitters. I don't expect to be piled on here at all. I will be disagreed with sure, but respected. You tell me which is worse.

There's a reason I posted here instead of on a FtB... and honestly, I lean more towards supporting their underlying views than some of the views I've seen expressed outside or here, but I really don't believe that FtB could be considered an open forum for discussion. I do appreciate this 'slyme pit' for that reason, even with it's strong anti-FtB bias (well... since it's the basis for it's founding).

Very likely, although I don't think you'd find any takers if Laden was offering hugs. I really don't understand why everyone keeps piling on Franc. Sure, he pushes buttons. I think he aims to be just as offensive as his targets are. It's subjective, I know, but I don't really see the offensiveness imbalance. You'd think those little hand grenades - the bad werds, the funny pictures - were his only contribution to this ongoing discussion. Go and read that commentary on TamTamPamela he linked to earlier and see if he resembles the monster you've made him up to be in your brain.

To be fair, I have read through his blog and he's not a monster. Maybe. I truly don't think he's just an offensive oaf, but his near-creepy obsession with gang-banging the dead-horse of "FTB Baboons" is a bit off-putting. Obviously he's not the only one with a vendetta to act out, but it's very on-display. Plus, it's easy to toss in 'but not Hoggle' in places. Plus, it makes me think of this:
http://i.imgur.com/DZm46.jpg

As a tangent, I do want to touch on something, since you mentioned Greg Laden (and I don't feel like responding to anything else because I'm lazy): Laden is an interesting case. I've read his blogs for quite a while and I generally enjoy reading it. That said, he was utterly wrong in his email and subsequent responses to Justin Griffith. That email he sent really DOES qualify as bullying -- and I don't mean the pseudo-physical threat he made at the end, which is just hot air. While I wouldn't expect anyone to stop being his friend over it, I was disappointed in a few people for trying to make excuses for and stick up for him. I'll continue reading Laden's blogs for Linux tidbits or what-not, but he has some legitimate anger issues that need to be addressed.

[CommanderTuvok]

I doubt Justicar will be back.

I had my suspicions about him over the months - he seemed to have a couple of outbreaks of Baboonitis. The last attack sent him overboard.

[CommanderTuvok]

Scented Nectar.

Good to see you (however briefly). Even if you don't want to post here often, do drop by to alert us to any comment pieces you've written, or, even better, videos of PZ and Twitson singing! :D

[sacha]

a nice sound bite from that blog post:

"Women should be respected (provided that they have earned it, as with men and all people)..."

Sexism and Atheism, the Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers conundrum:

This is yet another non-issue, Ms. Watson. You and Myers have taken something that is small, and incredibly easy to deal with and inflated it with importance, just as you did with the elevator issue. I am not writing this to insult you. I am writing this because I hope that some part of you legitimately understands that what is happening here is pointless, and having the atheist community focus on this is a waste of time.

https://lucien0maverick.wordpress.com/2 ... conundrum/

[bhoytony]

Fuck that, everyone here is getting proper hearty bear-hug-style pats-on-the-backs! The sort that would make an Aussie proud.

We've been through this already. Don't come fucking near me.

[John Greg]

Caede, in http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... =500#p1371, said:

There's a reason I posted here instead of on a FtB... and honestly, I lean more towards supporting their underlying views than some of the views I've seen expressed outside or here, but I really don't believe that FtB could be considered an open forum for discussion.

I think this, in important ways, highlights what, at least in my understanding, the whole Slimepit idea is all about: You do not have to agree with us, even slightly, so long as when you post your disagreement you don't just descend into the drivel and dribble of yelling at anyone with whom you disagree, and explaining why they are WRONG, and why they are therefore SEXIST, MRA, etc., etc., and also so long as you at least put some effort into explaining why you disagree -- not because We're all wrong, but points and arguments that actually explain why you disagree.

The FfTB and Skepchick ghettoes completely misunderstand this fundamental yet basic premise of skeptcism and intellectual discussion and debate.

Phil G, I too will miss some of his better arguments and discussion, but his deep and irrational hostility, dishonesty, and hurtful personal insults, well, as I say: full blown FfTB.

[sacha]

The visual that my mind created upon reading this line was hilarious. I pictured dwarf porn.
I presume I am the one filming...

I have images in my head of a toddler PZ, a toddler John Greg, a toddler Rebecca Watson, a toddler Paula Kirby, a creepy grown Hoggle, a toddler Abbie... all running around, smearing jam in each other's hair and then crying to their mommies. No one is clean, everyone is a mess.

[LMU]

I agree with Caede and John Greg: the main reason I comment here instead of FTB is because the Slyme Pit is *civil*. It becomes much harder to tell what is actually correct when people are throwing their emotions all over everything, so much so that if their arguments are right, then it is only by coincidence. There are some exceptions, but they aren't anywhere near to threatening to rape people with porcupines in every thread.

I think it is amusing that FTB seems to paint all slimepitters with the same brush: Slimepitters are like that because they just want to sin! Also; they eat babies!

Random atheist thought: I'm sure this isn't original but it did just occur to me: can you use Rule 34 to disprove the existence of god? If it exists there is porn of it, therefore if there is no porn of it, it does not exist. Is there any porn of an all-omni being?

[sacha]

Make sure you pussies get all the hugs you need, before I arrive... What a bunch of chicks.

If you want to complement and show your appreciation to a friend, the only way to go is sarcasm. Take the piss. If they misunderstand, (they are most likely Merkin) they did not deserve the praise in the first place.

fucking mushy displays of affection are nauseating.

I think Lsuoma and everyone else here deserves a pat on the back (in a professional, non-harassing, non-threatening, "safe-space" approved kinda way, of course ;) )

Fuck that, everyone here is getting proper hearty bear-hug-style pats-on-the-backs! The sort that would make an Aussie proud.

[bhoytony]

Make sure you pussies get all the hugs you need, before I arrive... What a bunch of chicks.

If you want to complement and show your appreciation to a friend, the only way to go is sarcasm. Take the piss. If they misunderstand, (they are most likely Merkin) they did not deserve the praise in the first place.

fucking mushy displays of affection are nauseating.

Oh yeah, a kindred spirit.

[sacha]

Hi Nectar. It's a pleasure to see you.

If we are planning to try out the blog that Lsuoma so graciously took the time to create, perhaps we should do that soon, as there are only six pages of this thread to move at this point.

Does anyone oppose the idea of giving it a go?

[sacha]

How is your new house shaping up, Lsuoma?

[lost control]

Regarding OB deleting a comment that asks about her allowing Laden to continue to comment on her blog, it seems as though they honestly believe no one will catch their hypocrisy and double standards.
It's well beyond Dunning-Kruger.
How can OB believe that by deleting a comment, it will be gone forever, after we have exhaustively documented, and taken screen shots of everything before it is deleted?

Screen shots are so old-school, why not use http://webcitation.org/? *re-lurk*

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Sorry, but I like the format of the Periodic thread, as it works exactly like a blog, with the added bonus of not having to log in or register to post. I don't see the interest of moving this thread to a blog form.

of course, if anyone disagrees, I will be glad to addapt to any format it takes.

[Dilurk]

I have never seem the slimepitters pile on and bully someone for making a comment, unlike the other guys. That to me is what adults do, respect each others ideas even if they disagree. I don't see that in many places, so I'd rather have the occasional bad word and respect then the nice pink fluffy kitten wording elsewhere with no respect. That's my take on it.

...

I think there was a lot of pent up anger due to the ban hammering, the mansplaining (Why does PZ get to tell me what I should feel?) the hypocrisy. Personally I wish y'all would grow up and accept atheists are not going to agree on 100% of everything, just get on with the real battle. I hope that can happen sometime, but I am not holding my breath.

The funny thing is, if I stated that on PZs blog, I'd be shouted down for talking with those slimepitters. I don't expect to be piled on here at all. I will be disagreed with sure, but respected. You tell me which is worse.

There's a reason I posted here instead of on a FtB... and honestly, I lean more towards supporting their underlying views than some of the views I've seen expressed outside or here, but I really don't believe that FtB could be considered an open forum for discussion. I do appreciate this 'slyme pit' for that reason, even with it's strong anti-FtB bias (well... since it's the basis for it's founding).

eh? How do you know? ;-) That's the thing here. Everyone here is a free thinker, I don't think the same as hoggle or SN or anyone else on here. Sometimes some of us might even agree with something said on FtB. Imagine that. That's the beauty with not being piled upon and bullied. Maybe there is something you have not considered, or I have not considered that's what civil discussion is all about between adults.

Very likely, although I don't think you'd find any takers if Laden was offering hugs. I really don't understand why everyone keeps piling on Franc. Sure, he pushes buttons. I think he aims to be just as offensive as his targets are. It's subjective, I know, but I don't really see the offensiveness imbalance. You'd think those little hand grenades - the bad werds, the funny pictures - were his only contribution to this ongoing discussion. Go and read that commentary on TamTamPamela he linked to earlier and see if he resembles the monster you've made him up to be in your brain.

To be fair, I have read through his blog and he's not a monster. Maybe. I truly don't think he's just an offensive oaf, but his near-creepy obsession with gang-banging the dead-horse of "FTB Baboons" is a bit off-putting. Obviously he's not the only one with a vendetta to act out, but it's very on-display. Plus, it's easy to toss in 'but not Hoggle' in places. Plus, it makes me think of this:
http://i.imgur.com/DZm46.jpg

I have sometimes wondered myself if the hoggle was being too obsessive about the "FTB Baboons" as well, but he is a passionate person. I appreciate he took the time to stand up to the bullies, point out they were not at all Freethinkers and make sure their revisionism of history was documented. He's been doing very little now that the word is out. meh He can defend himself.

As a tangent, I do want to touch on something, since you mentioned Greg Laden (and I don't feel like responding to anything else because I'm lazy): Laden is an interesting case. I've read his blogs for quite a while and I generally enjoy reading it. That said, he was utterly wrong in his email and subsequent responses to Justin Griffith. That email he sent really DOES qualify as bullying -- and I don't mean the pseudo-physical threat he made at the end, which is just hot air. While I wouldn't expect anyone to stop being his friend over it, I was disappointed in a few people for trying to make excuses for and stick up for him. I'll continue reading Laden's blogs for Linux tidbits or what-not, but he has some legitimate anger issues that need to be addressed.

Please note that I for one see bullying of any sort to be bad, I don't accept it is o.k. to bully anyone just because they are a FtB blogger. Of course I am talking about Cristina here. I cannot speak for others on here, but I rather suspect others here feel the same way. What I do not find acceptable is FfTB folks bullying others and not noticing they are bullies themselves. That is hypocrisy.

[Lsuoma]

How is your new house shaping up, Lsuoma?

Apartment, but thanks for asking. No unpacking done as yet.

WFYBI, though? I may have to move back to Redmond next month. Job is screwing me around big-time...

[Lsuoma]

Sorry, but I like the format of the Periodic thread, as it works exactly like a blog, with the added bonus of not having to log in or register to post. I don't see the interest of moving this thread to a blog form.

of course, if anyone disagrees, I will be glad to addapt to any format it takes.

I'm with Phil on this one. I much prefer this - the options for quoting, formatting, etc., are way more flexible and manageable...

[Munkhaus]

The only bummer is that this style thread doesn't fit nicely into my ipod screen as the erv ones. I have to scroll back and forth. Why didn't anyone think of me?

I'm too busy with banking at the moment to post much. Problem?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Lol @ Munkhaus!

Shameless self promotion, I did all ,the choirs on this upcoming album by Kerion:

http://soundcloud.com/kerion_official/e ... ht-extract

Female lead singer, for you misogynists...

[Gumby]

Sorry, but I like the format of the Periodic thread, as it works exactly like a blog, with the added bonus of not having to log in or register to post. I don't see the interest of moving this thread to a blog form.

of course, if anyone disagrees, I will be glad to addapt to any format it takes.

Agreed.

That is all.

[John Greg]

I'd laugh at Munkhaus, but I am too busy at the moment trying to decide if I am too busy to laugh at Munkhaus.

[Gumby]

Lol @ Munkhaus!

Shameless self promotion, I did all ,the choirs on this upcoming album by Kerion:

http://soundcloud.com/kerion_official/e ... ht-extract

Female lead singer, for you misogynists...

I looked up the band on Wikipedia after listening to the clip (I really like symphonic metal btw, nice work). Unfortunately, the only reference to Kerion was this:

Kerion is the result of the host's response to a fungal ringworm infection of the hair follicles of the scalp and beard accompanied by secondary bacterial infection(s). It usually presents itself as raised, spongy lesions. This honeycomb is severely painful inflammatory reaction with deep suppurative lesion on the scalp. The follicle may be seen discharging pus. there may be sinus formation and rarely mycetoma like grains are produced.It is usually caused by Zoophilic dermatophytes like T. verrucosum and T. mentagrophytes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerion

:lol:

[John Greg]

Important note:

There is a new Elevatorgate Timeline at http://ohthehumanityofitall.blogspot.ca ... art-1.html.

I have not yet examined it for accuracy or bias, after all I am at work at the moment. But if anyone else wants to dig in and have a go....

[lost control]

Well, I'll be mostly lurking anyway, but we've got a proper preview here, quoting is way easier... and maybe there's even a multiquote plugin around for phpBB?
And I guess, there's probably some plugin available to improve support for mobile devices, too. (That would make me happy, too, as I could look the Pit up during my train rides to/from the office.)

But, let's hope Lsuoma doesn't have to move around too much, and maybe if he can get around to it, the odd plugin might be installed to please us even more.

[Dilurk]

Important note:

There is a new Elevatorgate Timeline at http://ohthehumanityofitall.blogspot.ca ... art-1.html.

I have not yet examined it for accuracy or bias, after all I am at work at the moment. But if anyone else wants to dig in and have a go....

I saw that and mentioned it earlier on here, but there are more comments now. ugh. The comment from Adam is new.

[John Greg]

Aw, fuck it. That new timeline is biased as hell. It might as well have been written by an FfTB host.

I don't unerstand the kind of mentality that can say "Although I shall try to be an unbiased as possible in preparing this chronicle, I find myself sympathetic towards Rebecca Watson and her fellow skeptics in this matter" thereby admitting right from the start that they are biased, and then almost immediately this writer starts using insults, dismissive tone, ad hominems, and a wide range of saying, in effect, don't bother listening to anyone on the anti_watson side: they have nothing to say.

And of Course JasonShitforBrains is gobbling it up: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... -timeline/ .

God, some days these people just make me puke. Uneducated, deceitful, intellectually vacuous waste of air.

[justinvacula]

I'll just leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/bujd6.jpg

[Munkhaus]

@John Greg
It's utterly biased. It's the usual propaganda that someone has swallowed hook line and stinker.
It amazes me that the person believes that they are being largely objective! Ah, the mammalian brain.

[CommanderTuvok]

I like this forum - especially the PTOS thread.

It functions to all intents and purposes like the old ERV thread, but you can (if you are registered) check all the posts that have been posted since you last checked.

Soon enough, this will be the thread that the Baboons start to fear again, and perhaps want to shut down!

Keep calling their bullshit and hypocrisy out.

[Dilurk]

Aw, fuck it. That new timeline is biased as hell. It might as well have been written by an FfTB host.

I don't unerstand the kind of mentality that can say "Although I shall try to be an unbiased as possible in preparing this chronicle, I find myself sympathetic towards Rebecca Watson and her fellow skeptics in this matter" thereby admitting right from the start that they are biased, and then almost immediately this writer starts using insults, dismissive tone, ad hominems, and a wide range of saying, in effect, don't bother listening to anyone on the anti_watson side: they have nothing to say.

And of Course JasonShitforBrains is gobbling it up: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... -timeline/ .

God, some days these people just make me puke. Uneducated, deceitful, intellectually vacuous waste of air.

That was my conclusion as well. Very biased, the comments are very nasty. Almost as though they wanted to demonize another group.

[Parge]

The only bummer is that this style thread doesn't fit nicely into my ipod screen as the erv ones. I have to scroll back and forth. Why didn't anyone think of me?

I'm too busy with banking at the moment to post much. Problem?

You know, at the time I posted this, I was thinking, I wonder how this forum will look on Munkhauses's ipod. And then I shuddered, and said, "Banking will have to wait! Something is not available on the mobile Internet!!!!" Change will only occur if can find the time to be perturbed (or to get your jimmies rustled or whatever the kids are calling it today).

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 374225.jpg

Lsuoma, a second request!

[CommanderTuvok]

@John Greg
It's utterly biased. It's the usual propaganda that someone has swallowed hook line and stinker.
It amazes me that the person believes that they are being largely objective! Ah, the mammalian brain.

It is mass cognitive dissonance suffered by all the Baboons and their followers. They actually believe the FfTB narrative is "winning" as one commentator put it, and the rest of us are "on the wrong side of history". :lol: Perhaps they don't quite see the size of the backlash against them in recent weeks. Further, I'd love to get some opinion from those at TAM2012 about what they think. I reckon the opinion will be very negative towards the FC5 POV, and most of them will be very happy that Twitson, the Baboon King, and Opheliar are staying art home to sulk and circle jerk.

[CommanderTuvok]

Here's a picture of bully Greg Laden about to launch another attack...

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/b/b ... g-7659.jpg

[Lsuoma]

But, let's hope Lsuoma doesn't have to move around too much, and maybe if he can get around to it, the odd plugin might be installed to please us even more.

Here's some homework for someone, then. See if you can find a MOD that makes phpBB3 mobile-friendly - I'll take a look at implementing it over the weekend.

I know someone did suggest it early on, and there may have been a link there: I'll try and check this evening, but if anyone can come up with it in the meantime, knock yourself out...

[Lsuoma]

But, let's hope Lsuoma doesn't have to move around too much, and maybe if he can get around to it, the odd plugin might be installed to please us even more.

Here's some homework for someone, then. See if you can find a MOD that makes phpBB3 mobile-friendly - I'll take a look at implementing it over the weekend.

I know someone did suggest it early on, and there may have been a link there: I'll try and check this evening, but if anyone can come up with it in the meantime, knock yourself out...

Got it: it was Parge. Will look later.

BTW, a useful post at Brayhorse's place...