Periodic Table of Swearing

[masakari2012]

I can't wait until Matt sees that blog! Lousy Canuck is totally patronizing Matt, trying to soften Matt up to admit he was wrong. He's even making military analogies, hoping to play on Matt's prior military experience.

[blockquote]Please, PLEASE, don’t dig in this time.[/blockquote]

And once again, we have that "don't dig" line. lol. It's even better seeing them use it on their own allies, especially popular ones.

And why would we not welcome Skep tickle with open arms? At least Skep tickle can see through the dogma of A+/FTB. In the event that Matt reads this..... remember, Skep tickle did bring up reasonable objections without being offensive, and was met with "snarky" comments, then banned.

[masakari2012]

Aw fuck, it's embarrassing to get caught with failed html :oops:

[bhoytony]

a) he's a troll and will be ignored by most (I wrote a guide about that anonymous ignore thing, didn't I?) or b) he's actualy interested in having a discussion and will engage honestly.

Well, if he wanted to honestly engage in discussion he would re-register with a name that people would be able to ignore instead of the conveniently un-ignorable identity which he continues to use. He just keeps asking the same when-did-you-stop-beating your-wife shite and ignoring all the responses that he finds uncomfortable. If he honestly just wants answers to his questions why should it matter where he gets them?
I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that we are having this conversation about him has given him an erection which he is throttling in front of his keyboard.

[aweraw]

This was not a procedural bug, as both Aplussers and dillahunty want to paint it. It is confirmation of the assertion that dillahunty set out test.

Precisely... and as soon as he realized the outcome wasn't going to be the one he was aiming for, he immediately halted the experiment by revealing himself. I expect someone from the axis of half-truths at some point in the near future to claim that the "results" of Dillhunty's "experiment" are inconclusive, just to spin it away from what they surely was the inevitable outcome if it were carried through to completion. I reckon Matt must know he got all the information he needed to draw a conclusion, but then tried to offer a chance for them to give him the result he was chasing by dropping the pretense of anonymity.

... and JT's open letter - jesus, what a pretentious douchenozzle. “advanced students”? More like sufferers of advanced neurosis.

[Tony Parsehole]

I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that we are having this conversation about him has given him an erection which he is throttling in front of his keyboard.

:lol: :lol:

[Michael K Gray]

Have a look at how Oolon has many of you dancing like robotic marionettes to his purposeful pressing of your individual "buttons".
(Using outright crude lies and transparently feigned ignorance, of course).

He must have a grin like Franc's, making you robotically and predicatably dance to the Slimy-Scamster Oolon's Hamlyn pipes, (much as when Franc is making Benson et alia dance to carefully crafted trigger-word-mines!)

Oolon is making you dance the same self-hanging gallows rictus jig, the trap-door barn-dance, with an absolute minimum of effort.
+1 to Oolon.
-several bajillion to you.

What neither tOolong (the Pinocchio puppeteer), nor PZ Barnum (Oblong's circus midway sideshow paymaster) desires is:
for you to cut their puppet-strings, (by which they dangle you from the gibbet), and become "a real boy". They dread it. It would rob them of their "power" such as it is.

Think about it.

Think about it very hard.
(Listen to the female who uses the 'nym "Sacha". She is 101% correct on this matter.)

[Dick Strawkins]

This was not a procedural bug, as both Aplussers and dillahunty want to paint it. It is confirmation of the assertion that dillahunty set out test.

Precisely... and as soon as he realized the outcome wasn't going to be the one he was aiming for, he immediately halted the experiment by revealing himself. I expect someone from the axis of half-truths at some point in the near future to claim that the "results" of Dillhunty's "experiment" are inconclusive, just to spin it away from what they surely was the inevitable outcome if it were carried through to completion. I reckon Matt must know he got all the information he needed to draw a conclusion, but then tried to offer a chance for them to give him the result he was chasing by dropping the pretense of anonymity.

... and JT's open letter - jesus, what a pretentious douchenozzle. “advanced students”? More like sufferers of advanced neurosis.

Funnily enough JT also makes an appearance on that two year old thread on Ladens place - the thread where Greg tells Becca to get off the rag and kiss his ass and Steph joins in with Laden rather than criticize his misogyny.
Needless to say JT doesn't spot anything objectionable in Ladens post or comments.

Hey JT, we know you read here.
We've seen your cringeworthy ass-kissing of Laden in the midst of his disgusting misogynistic insulting of commenters.

Go fuck yourself.

[mordacious1]

It appears that OB is basking in the glory that she believes she's the barmaid and so she doesn't mention Dawkins, but Spokesgay and others jump on him:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... +Wheels%29

[Michael K Gray]

And once again, we have that "don't dig" line.

I thought Matt D was in the US Navy?
"Digging in" would have disastrous consequences!
Unless that level of ironic subtlety has suddenly become a part of the Louse's armament.
(To employ a military metaphor)

[Za-zen]

Oolon is the jewish gayfish of the slymepit, without him around southpark would be meaningless

[bhoytony]

It appears that OB is basking in the glory that she believes she's the barmaid and so she doesn't mention Dawkins, but Spokesgay and others jump on him:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... +Wheels%29

I was just going to comment on her hubris myself.

often given voice by the never seen character of the friendly but no-nonsense barmaid.

Rumored to be none other than your humble servant. I couldn’t possibly comment.

Wow, she really has some opinion of herself.
Funny, I've never pictured the barmaid as looking like a slightly more butch Albert Steptoe.

[Michael K Gray]

It appears that OB is basking in the glory that she believes she's the barmaid and so she doesn't mention Dawkins, but Spokesgay and others jump on him:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... +Wheels%29

Yeah yeah.
See my previous post re her incipient Alzheimer's.

Nurse! That mean Doctor drew me as a barmaid! The cheek!
See? It's right here on my PFargle-screen.
What's that dreary? Oh, yes. I used to be a barmaid! Best in the county. (Where is my photo album?)
No! I DID NOT CALL YOU "Dreary"!!!
I called you... erm I think I want to go to the shit-house.
Too late.

[Butters]

It appears that OB is basking in the glory that she believes she's the barmaid and so she doesn't mention Dawkins, but Spokesgay and others jump on him:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... +Wheels%29

For a group that complains ENDLESSLY about derails, they do seem to be talking more about Dawkins and his horrible decision to not see the world the same way they do, rather than Dawkin's foreword or the book itself.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Have a look at how Oolon has many of you dancing like robotic marionettes to his purposeful pressing of your individual "buttons".
(Using outright crude lies and transparently feigned ignorance, of course).

He must have a grin like Franc's, making you robotically and predicatably dance to the Slimy-Scamster Oolon's Hamlyn pipes, (much as when Franc is making Benson et alia dance to carefully crafted trigger-word-mines!)

Oolon is making you dance the same self-hanging gallows rictus jig, the trap-door barn-dance, with an absolute minimum of effort.
+1 to Oolon.
-several bajillion to you.

What neither tOolong (the Pinocchio puppeteer), nor PZ Barnum (Oblong's circus midway sideshow paymaster) desires is:
for you to cut their puppet-strings, (by which they dangle you from the gibbet), and become "a real boy". They dread it. It would rob them of their "power" such as it is.

Think about it.

Think about it very hard.
(Listen to the female who uses the 'nym "Sacha". She is 101% correct on this matter.)

Taking this a bit too seriously, aren't we, Mr Gray? I'll take your -bajillion though, I seem to need it these days.

Now, to be serious, Oolon is not making me dance to his fiddle. I'm engaging in a conversation with him. Yes, granted, one that is becoming increasingly boring and repetitive, but as you know my good nature, I have hope yet.

Ok, I'm a bit dumb.

[decius]

b) he's actualy interested in having a discussion and will engage honestly.

You must be kidding. The evidence for his dishonest approach is overwhelming.

I agree that a discussion may benefit some onlookers, but will bore to death many others. Engaging a committed troll on the long run will likely do more damage than good, IMO. For one thing, having to type the same basic points over and over again is a major distraction and a waste of focus and energy by many intelligent posters.

[Za-zen]

[youtube]JJcmCME_jG8[/youtube]

[Dick Strawkins]

It appears that OB is basking in the glory that she believes she's the barmaid and so she doesn't mention Dawkins, but Spokesgay and others jump on him:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... +Wheels%29

I was just going to comment on her hubris myself.

often given voice by the never seen character of the friendly but no-nonsense barmaid.

Rumored to be none other than your humble servant. I couldn’t possibly comment.

Wow, she really has some opinion of herself.
Funny, I've never pictured the barmaid as looking like a slightly more butch Albert Steptoe.

The rumor that the barmaid is based on Ophelia Benson is not recent.
I certainly heard it at least two years ago.
Of course it seems wierd now - especially after her swallowing the blue pill and going all cult-like with her new BFF in FTB/Skepchicks - but a few years back she was one of the best known female atheists and was actually doing a lot of decent online stuff against the excesses of fundamentalistic religion (before she, Steff and Jen founded their own!)

[decius]

The rumor that the barmaid is based on Ophelia Benson is not recent.
I certainly heard it at least two years ago.

If I remember correctly, it was spread by her also in that occasion. A persistent delusion, if you ask me.

[rayshul]

PDWG – Privilege Denying White Girl. Pronunced “pudwag”. That’s intentional.

This is someone who is quite willing to parade her moral clarity by declaring she fully acknowledges her white privilege but emphatically denies to a moral certainty that anything like female privilege exists. She is the exact analog to Privileging Denying Dude that denies the existence of male privilege. And she is a girl rather than a woman, whatever her age, because this eternal girlhood is both a function of toxic femininity in which in our society there is no functional difference between women and gitrsl, no passage from one estate to another, and also because this attitude can exist only in a thoroughly callow, sheltered and naive worldview.

Use it. Spread it.

That one more or lessly describes the entire skepchick contingent. Except it also comes with a side order of "wahhh people want to have so much sex with me but wahhhh so jealous wahhh." And I bolded that bit about girls because fuck, they are girls. I don't care if they're all middle aged.

I feel like the chill girl thing - that girls act in a certain way so boys like them - is kind of the wrong way round. Or the accusations are leveled at the wrong parties. The gender feminists are obsessed with boys, how boys interact with them, what rules boys should have for approaching them, and a fuck load of other hilarious headgames which are all like, YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. WHAT I DID NOT TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW. OH YOU DONT GET IT. And then the whole running away to talk about what the boy did wrong and how the perfect boy does things THIS way not THAT way and gosh boys are always so into them...

Ughhhh.

[Michael K Gray]

Oolon is not making me dance to his fiddle. I'm engaging in a conversation with him.

Then, by his terms, you ARE dancing to his fiddle.
His bona fides are as dry as a dead dingo's donger. As shrivelled as a Nun's Nasty. As non-existent as a Politician's integrity.
You are being played as expertly by tOolong as you play your ivories during a live concert.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

b) he's actualy interested in having a discussion and will engage honestly.

You must be kidding. The evidence for his dishonest approach is overwhelming.

I agree that a discussion may benefit some onlookers, but will bore to death many others. Engaging a committed troll on the long run will likely do more damage than good, IMO. For one thing, having to type the same basic points over and over again is a major distraction and a waste of focus and energy by many intelligent posters.

And again I'll have to disagree (what's wrong with me today?). What fucking "damage" could it do? No more than Mabus and his rants at worst. I've said before that I would really like to have one or more FTBers post here in earnest. We have one (well, not exactly in earnest, but that's all we have for now), let's try and engage.

Of course, disclaimer for FTB onlookers: this comment is my opinion, and mine alone.

[bhoytony]

The rumor that the barmaid is based on Ophelia Benson is not recent.
I certainly heard it at least two years ago.
Of course it seems wierd now - especially after her swallowing the blue pill and going all cult-like with her new BFF in FTB/Skepchicks - but a few years back she was one of the best known female atheists and was actually doing a lot of decent online stuff against the excesses of fundamentalistic religion (before she, Steff and Jen founded their own!)

I've seen her stuff for years and I've never been particularly impressed. One thing I do remember from a few years ago during the Great RD.Net forum wars was her snotty, superior posts on Dawkins site seeming to think she had the authority to order people how to behave. To be honest I'm not sure how she ever got to be so prominent, what exactly does she do? She's completely pissed off her co-writer and I don't see any more books coming out.

[Michael K Gray]

JJcmCME_jG8
like life is what you eat

No wonder I'm such a cunt.

[decius]

And again I'll have to disagree (what's wrong with me today?). What fucking "damage" could it do? No more than Mabus and his rants at worst. I've said before that I would really like to have one or more FTBers post here in earnest. We have one (well, not exactly in earnest, but that's all we have for now), let's try and engage.

Of course, disclaimer for FTB onlookers: this comment is my opinion, and mine alone.

Your disagreement is most welcome.

The damage would be along the lines of what I briefly outlined earlier - onlookers' boredom, waste of time and resources, distraction from more fruitful baboon watch, pages and pages of pseudo-conversation without any hope of it progressing further.
In other words, being played by a troll.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Oolon is not making me dance to his fiddle. I'm engaging in a conversation with him.

Then, by his terms, you ARE dancing to his fiddle.
His bona fides are as dry as a dead dingo's donger. As shrivelled as a Nun's Nasty. As non-existent as a Politician's integrity.
You are being played as expertly by tOolong as you play your ivories during a live concert.

Do I really have to care about what I am by his terms? I don't give a flying fuck about his terms. And I will engage here whoever I feel like.

Damn, really sorry, I'm pissy again today (fucking mood swingsm!)

[bhoytony]

Damn, really sorry, I'm pissy again today (fucking mood swingsm!)

Phil, get off the rag and kiss my ass

[Dick Strawkins]

The rumor that the barmaid is based on Ophelia Benson is not recent.
I certainly heard it at least two years ago.
Of course it seems wierd now - especially after her swallowing the blue pill and going all cult-like with her new BFF in FTB/Skepchicks - but a few years back she was one of the best known female atheists and was actually doing a lot of decent online stuff against the excesses of fundamentalistic religion (before she, Steff and Jen founded their own!)

I've seen her stuff for years and I've never been particularly impressed. One thing I do remember from a few years ago during the Great RD.Net forum wars was her snotty, superior posts on Dawkins site seeming to think she had the authority to order people how to behave. To be honest I'm not sure how she ever got to be so prominent, what exactly does she do? She's completely pissed off her co-writer and I don't see any more books coming out.

She's always had this thing about 'gendered' language but that didn't particularly affect a lot of her stuff about religion - at least not until the last year when she got completely obsessed about it.
And yes, she has pissed off Jeremy Stangroom, her previous co-author - AND Julian Baggini, her previous co-author.
In fact she seems to have had a falling out with everyone she's ever written with - she used to be an editor of Philosophy Today and now can't even post on their comment section as they've banned her!

It's hard to believe now but her prominence in the atheist movement came about due to her strong stances against censorship and identity politics!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

And again I'll have to disagree (what's wrong with me today?). What fucking "damage" could it do? No more than Mabus and his rants at worst. I've said before that I would really like to have one or more FTBers post here in earnest. We have one (well, not exactly in earnest, but that's all we have for now), let's try and engage.

Of course, disclaimer for FTB onlookers: this comment is my opinion, and mine alone.

Your disagreement is most welcome.

The damage would be along the lines of what I briefly outlined earlier - onlookers' boredom, waste of time and resources, distraction from more fruitful baboon watch, pages and pages of pseudo-conversation without any hope of it progressing further.
In other words, being played by a troll.

Or onlookers could just skip any post by/in respont to Oolon. It's very easy to do, I sometimes do it myself. For example, I was not interested in a few sideshow conversations going on here between regulars. I just skipped them.

Oolon can do no damage by just being a tedious troll. This is quite a contemporary talk, as Matt was accused of doing great damage to the A+ community. Sorry, I'm not playing that game.

Ok, I probably need to get some fresh air, I'm more annoyed than usual. Might be the weather.

[oolon**]

First you'd have to explain to me why 1) would not be an option, especially in a unmoderated forum, given that in my original reply to you I say, "the first [statement] is a personal choice whose restricts bar on no one else but the person who has self-selected to uphold it." There is no actual requirement on here for you or anyone else to use/not use any epithets whatsoever. But you can't externalize your personal discomfort onto others without expecting to get objections from people who have a different take (it's not rational to demand for others to just take offense on your behalf if they are not offended). As to why some people feel more comfortable with one epithet over another, different people have different reasons, and I refuse to generalize on something that has no one answer. I can only speak for myself, as I did when I told you,

Why do you assume I'm offended by the use of words on here? I'm mainly talking about the offence of others... For myself I saw the homophobic comment I mentioned (Faggy Josh) and it was the first time I had a real reaction to a phrase on here. Not that rational a reaction - a disgust reaction. Then having read some articles including the one Steersman linked to about how sexist and misogynistic language is more accepted than homophobic or racist language I had to ask myself why am I offended/disgusted by f*ggot or n*gger used in the context to diminish a gay or black person and not so much by c*nt, tw*t, bitch etc. when used to diminish a woman?

Having seen the lack of racist and to a lesser degree homophobic language used to diminish your opponents here while misogynistic language is fine I wonder the same of the pitters.

I have no right to be offended by f*ggot or n*gger when used in the context that makes them *bad*, they don't apply to me. I will be disgusted by the mentality as using gay slurs is homophobic and many here, like me, are disgusted by homophobia (It is not a rational-sceptical mentality). same for racism and racist slurs, same for misogyny and misogynistic slurs... Well maybe just went one too far to include everyone on here.

I don't actually censor by diction on account of not wanting to offend people. If there are words (whether casual niceties or profanities) I don't use it's more because they're not part of my everyday vocabulary rather than that I see them as 'bad'. (by not being part of my everyday vocabulary I mean that I would have to make a conscious effort to remind myself to use them just to make a point of using them, which would be a silly exercise IMO). But I don't police other people's word choice, nor do I jump to conclusion about their character based on the words they use.

So you are talking to your neighbour out front, they say '... that fucking n*gger down the road let his dog shit on my grass, what a c*nt..". You blithely ignore the word-choice? What a wonderfully picture perfect rational-sceptical world you live in. Maybe you need to perform psychometric tests and poll the neighbourhood before deciding that person is a racist. Me, I'm just a non-rational-sceptic judgemental arsehole like all the FtB'ers, obviously.

You know a group will be offended by the language used to describe them because it is especially used to diminish and demean them and you carry on using it then you have every expectation to be considered a racist, homophobe or misogynist.

Unlike at FtB, there is still no rule here forbidding any of these words either explicitly or implicitly, evident by the fact that we've said them now several times with no repercussions whatsoever.

they have a whole list of verboten words that if used by a person, in any situation, defines them as irredeemable immoral scumbags. Pointing out the humor when they fail to live up to the standard they demand of everyone else is not a bias, when our only standard is that censorship (y'know, the kind that's imposed on others) is antithetical to freethought.

Bullshit... The straw is poking a country mile out of your description of FtBs here. Count how many N-words and how much PG and John D get to demonstrate 'free thought' on this thread.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/ ... ew-nigger/
... But of course they were banned and had their posts edited to make them look stupid? Or they are deemed irredeemable immoral scumbags .. Quite how you gauge irredeemable I don't know. Someone saying 'you are an immoral scumbag' apparently implies they will remain this way for eternity. I'd bet you even the most brass-necked Pharyngulite will concede there is a chance 'franc hoggle' even could be 'redeemed', it may be considered extremely unlikely but anyone that is less than a 7 on the Dawkins atheist scale accepts possibility is almost endless.

tl;dr Oolon your conflation of personal word choice and imposed censorship (by which if you fail to censor along the lines of the approved narrative you're dismissed as an immoral and indecent person by definition) is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

Hopefully I've clarified that I am not considering anyone immoral and indecent to their core by using certain slurs at all. I am saying that using slurs in a certain context then yes you will have every expectation to be considered a bigot and I think most here will agree with two out of the three below.
1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

[rayshul]

Precisely... and as soon as he realized the outcome wasn't going to be the one he was aiming for, he immediately halted the experiment by revealing himself. I expect someone from the axis of half-truths at some point in the near future to claim that the "results" of Dillhunty's "experiment" are inconclusive, just to spin it away from what they surely was the inevitable outcome if it were carried through to completion. I reckon Matt must know he got all the information he needed to draw a conclusion, but then tried to offer a chance for them to give him the result he was chasing by dropping the pretense of anonymity.

I suspect many people are going to try and repeat the "experiment" with better controls, now.

And prepare themselves with screenshotting tools.

[Michael K Gray]

The rumor that the barmaid is based on Ophelia Benson is not recent.
I certainly heard it at least two years ago.
Of course it seems wierd now - especially after her swallowing the blue pill and going all cult-like with her new BFF in FTB/Skepchicks - but a few years back she was one of the best known female atheists and was actually doing a lot of decent online stuff against the excesses of fundamentalistic religion (before she, Steff and Jen founded their own!)

I've seen her stuff for years and I've never been particularly impressed. One thing I do remember from a few years ago during the Great RD.Net forum wars was her snotty, superior posts on Dawkins site seeming to think she had the authority to order people how to behave. To be honest I'm not sure how she ever got to be so prominent, what exactly does she do? She's completely pissed off her co-writer and I don't see any more books coming out.

OB managed to 'convincingly' ape professional philosophers who, for some bizarre reason, accrue caché (amongst non-scientists) by mere dint of possessing their PhDs.
That is the reason.
OB has never gained prominence amongst the scientifically literate; in fact: the reverse!
Those who chronically fawned over her vapid outpourings are of the "post-modern" class, vis:- those who have been educated far beyond their ability to reason.
Benson falls into this pigeon-hole. Yes, I know that OB has not been educated beyond 4th grade. My point stands.
As much as I despise the pointless adventure that is "philosophy", it at least requires a modicum of understanding of basic logic to pursue meaningfully.
Yet, repeatedly, Benson has demonstrated that she lacks the basic intellectual mechanics by which to even understand boolean logic.
Without that, philosophy is utterly meaningless, even if taken as a mere hobby.

It is akin to stamp-collecting, but without knowing what a "stamp" is.

[rayshul]

It's hard to believe now but her prominence in the atheist movement came about due to her strong stances against censorship and identity politics!

It's close to impossible to believe.

Exactly when was her turn around? Was there a critical point? I know Johann documented some moments in Dillahunty's turnaround (though can't remember the link) and there's a lot about his relationship with a radfem which probably explains why he's A+happy.

[Michael K Gray]

And I will engage here whoever I feel like.
Damn, really sorry, I'm pissy again today (fucking mood swingsm!)

That's "whoMever¹", Mr. Gordian'sknot!
(Lucky I am at Phil's antipodes!)
____________________
¹ Or "Whomsoever" in the plural.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Utter bulshit.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

And I will engage here whoever I feel like.
Damn, really sorry, I'm pissy again today (fucking mood swingsm!)

That's "whoMever¹", Mr. Gordian'sknot!
(Lucky I am at Phil's antipodes!)
____________________
¹ Or "Whomsoever" in the plural.

I've got a bag of "punch in the face" for you. Royal mail ok?

Thanks for the correction. I'll keep it in mind.

[real horrorshow]

I’m so glad Greta Christina has poured herself into the movement

"Poured herself in." Doesn't that have wonderful connotations of an attack by something gelatinous?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8321/8059 ... ed113d.jpg

No no no. Matt, you walked into the Large Moron Collider, where particles of stupid and lazy are crashed into each other at relativistic speeds, creating new and exotic galaxies of fallacies and sanctimonious whining.

I propose the general adoption of this well crafted and descriptive epithet.

[Michael K Gray]

Utter bulshit.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... ostume.jpg

[decius]

Or onlookers could just skip any post by/in respont to Oolon. It's very easy to do, I sometimes do it myself. For example, I was not interested in a few sideshow conversations going on here between regulars. I just skipped them.

Oolon can do no damage by just being a tedious troll. This is quite a contemporary talk, as Matt was accused of doing great damage to the A+ community. Sorry, I'm not playing that game.

Ok, I probably need to get some fresh air, I'm more annoyed than usual. Might be the weather.

I wasn't suggesting to censor him, mind you. However, trolls are a pest and there exist copious literature detailing the damage their tactics can do to internet communities. Treating them just like any other poster isn't really the smartest of options. Ignoring them is easier said than done and even that approach seems largely ineffective and sometimes detrimental. A dedicated thread seems the most effective way to deal with them (I can provide reference, if needed). If that bothers you that much, I would like to understand exactly why.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Utter bulshit.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... ostume.jpg

Ok, I guess I'm starting to see what you mean.

My bad.

Decius: already changing my mind, WRT Oolon's ;lates post. I will probably just give up on him. He's a bore.

[masakari2012]

BTW, ERV only wants us to serve Mountain Dew or Crab Juice, so hide the beers before she shows up.

[Tony Parsehole]

Wow, she really has some opinion of herself.
Funny, I've never pictured the barmaid as looking like a slightly more butch Albert Steptoe.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Add another vote for Oolon's own thread. Call it *The Merry-Go-Round*

[real horrorshow]

Utter bulshit.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... ostume.jpg

What's this? Michael Jackson's comeback tour?

[oolon**]

Now, to be serious, Oolon is not making me dance to his fiddle. I'm engaging in a conversation with him. Yes, granted, one that is becoming increasingly boring and repetitive, but as you know my good nature, I have hope yet.

Ok, I'm a bit dumb.

Phil, not ignoring you as I find this board a bit difficult to navigate - hard to find where I was previously and the number of people making comments on my points make it difficult to reply (Is that called a dogpile? Seems quite similar to when I disagree on FtBs).

I think it may be repetitive and boring as you still seem to think I am trying to paint you all as racist-misogynist-homphobic-kitten-eaters-from-hell... I'll repeat - what could I possibly hope to gain if I 'proved' this? I go back to FtBs to gloat with my 'mates' on Thunderdome, who will say 'duh oolon you gullible fool we already know they are all racist-misogynist-homphobic-kitten-eaters-from-hell!' At least some will express a similar sentiment... I can haz FtB's cookies? Nope.

Hopefully I addressed what points of yours that don't fit into misrepresentation - mainly by others commenting on my comments - in my reply to Saint N.

[oolon**]

1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Utter bulshit.

Hehe is this not feeding the troll? I'd like to know why it is not reasonable given at least for the first two making any statement like that by a public figure (In the UK) would result in serious censure and resignations etc. Actually in the UK the third would result in accusations of sexism regardless of the insistence here that 'no one' in the UK thinks of c*nt as sexist!

A citation for Dick and the Uk'ers who say 'no one' in the UK sees the word this way
http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/200 ... oo_for_who

[Scented Nectar]

That one more or lessly describes the entire skepchick contingent. Except it also comes with a side order of "wahhh people want to have so much sex with me but wahhhh so jealous wahhh." And I bolded that bit about girls because fuck, they are girls. I don't care if they're all middle aged.

I feel like the chill girl thing - that girls act in a certain way so boys like them - is kind of the wrong way round. Or the accusations are leveled at the wrong parties. The gender feminists are obsessed with boys, how boys interact with them, what rules boys should have for approaching them, and a fuck load of other hilarious headgames which are all like, YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. WHAT I DID NOT TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW. OH YOU DONT GET IT. And then the whole running away to talk about what the boy did wrong and how the perfect boy does things THIS way not THAT way and gosh boys are always so into them...

Ughhhh.

If the parts where they do the "YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. WHAT I DID NOT TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW. OH YOU DONT GET IT", are so illogical, that if it were at all possible, they could take Randi's million for mindreading. :)

[Michael K Gray]

Or "Whomsoever" in the plural.

I've got a bag of "punch in the face" for you. Royal mail ok?

No! I want my punch in the face to be in real life!
In front of the press!
Datelyne: Adelaide, Wednestuesday, Oct 32, 3013:
World-Famous lead Stylophone-player Fillet Godiabanana from the Retro-Punk-Jazz-Fusion/Light-Metal (Al, Na, Mg) Welsh Band PhairyLlandru, was filmed snotting a no-nobody of no-fixed address, Adelaide in a totally provoked assault!
Our reporter, who attended the subsequent trial, claimed that the magistrate said that she has not seen such a-more deserved beating in her many years on the bench.
And then went on to add that she has presided over multiple S&M Brothel cases in the last few years.
And enjoyed the evidence.
Caught adjourned!

[Michael K Gray]

BTW, ERV only wants us to serve Mountain Dew or Crab Juice, so hide the beers before she shows up.

I propose to hide them in my gizzards.
Alimentary, my very dear Watson.

[Johann the Cabbie]

BTW, ERV only wants us to serve Mountain Dew or Crab Juice, so hide the beers before she shows up.

I'll have the Mountain Dew, thanks. Mixed with tequila, which in my hometown is called a redneck margarita.

[Scented Nectar]

That one more or lessly describes the entire skepchick contingent. Except it also comes with a side order of "wahhh people want to have so much sex with me but wahhhh so jealous wahhh." And I bolded that bit about girls because fuck, they are girls. I don't care if they're all middle aged.

I feel like the chill girl thing - that girls act in a certain way so boys like them - is kind of the wrong way round. Or the accusations are leveled at the wrong parties. The gender feminists are obsessed with boys, how boys interact with them, what rules boys should have for approaching them, and a fuck load of other hilarious headgames which are all like, YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. WHAT I DID NOT TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW. OH YOU DONT GET IT. And then the whole running away to talk about what the boy did wrong and how the perfect boy does things THIS way not THAT way and gosh boys are always so into them...

Ughhhh.

If the parts where they do the "YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. WHAT I DID NOT TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW. OH YOU DONT GET IT", are so illogical, that if it were at all possible, they could take Randi's million for mindreading. :)

Um, my morning grammar sucks. Drop that first "If". :P

[Spence]

Oolon is certainly most dishonest about how s/he goes about arguing. Whilst I am reluctant to agree with a separate thread, I would note that I pwned oolon in a debate on Thunderf00t's blog by pinning them down to one subject. Because thunderf00t's blog was threaded, replies were always associated with the original comment and oolon, being a troll, had to reply to that comment and not ignore or cherry pick responses. By pinning him/her down to one topic which s/he was unable to defend (because he lacks sufficient critical thinking ability to do so), s/he eventually cried off and refused to debate me, rather than retract the statement that s/he was unable to support.

Which, against such a blatant troll, is a pretty epic win IMNSHO :dance:

We need to be careful though. I think oolon should be allowed to have a voice here, troll or otherwise, and some dissenting voices, even fully retarded ones, are better than none.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Utter bulshit.

Hehe is this not feeding the troll? I'd like to know why it is not reasonable given at least for the first two making any statement like that by a public figure (In the UK) would result in serious censure and resignations etc. Actually in the UK the third would result in accusations of sexism regardless of the insistence here that 'no one' in the UK thinks of c*nt as sexist!

A citation for Dick and the Uk'ers who say 'no one' in the UK sees the word this way
http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/200 ... oo_for_who

(Sorry MKG and other anti-Oolons, I'd like to respond)

The thing is, from my own point of view, I'm not going to call a white person, whether they be male or female, gay or cis or trans, a nigger. I won't call a woman a faggot. I won't call a Scottish fisherman a rightful Dolly (whatever that is, I just made it up).

But I will call Bruce, the 6.5" white, cis-gendered, very heterosexual disco bouncer a cunt if he acts as such (being a fucking ass).

My view, and the end of this particular discussion for me. Bande de cons!

[Michael K Gray]

BTW, ERV only wants us to serve Mountain Dew or Crab Juice, so hide the beers before she shows up.

I'll have the Mountain Dew, thanks. Mixed with tequila, which in my hometown is called a redneck margarita.

...From which, I guess your hometown to be Reykjavik?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Or "Whomsoever" in the plural.

I've got a bag of "punch in the face" for you. Royal mail ok?

No! I want my punch in the face to be in real life!
In front of the press!
Datelyne: Adelaide, Wednestuesday, Oct 32, 3013:
World-Famous lead Stylophone-player Fillet Godiabanana from the Retro-Punk-Jazz-Fusion/Light-Metal (Al, Na, Mg) Welsh Band PhairyLlandru, was filmed snotting a no-nobody of no-fixed address, Adelaide in a totally provoked assault!
Our reporter, who attended the subsequent trial, claimed that the magistrate said that she has not seen such a-more deserved beating in her many years on the bench.
And then went on to add that she has presided over multiple S&M Brothel cases in the last few years.
And enjoyed the evidence.
Caught adjourned!

Ok, I just lost it! I've got a very visual imagination, and it played like a perfect sitcom. I have tears of laughter at the corner of my eyes.

[real horrorshow]

Some new words coined at http://www.genderratic.com/p/2098/gener ... issiverse/

I followed a link from there to here and found:

Genderitis – My definition of genderitis is the tendency to see and try to analyze everything solely in terms of gender. It’s a mistake.

Damseling – At bottom damseling is a claim to on someone else to protection as a right, as an entitlement. Insisting on a woman’s victimhood in every situation, or her greater victimhood in her situation vis-à-vis someone else’s victimhood, is going to be crucial.

Which is, of course, what White Knights do.

I was also struck by this:

There really was a time when younger women tried to imitate the sophistication and worldiness of older women. There really was a time when grown women were ashamed to cry except maybe when a kid had died. Or at the opera. That was allowed. There really was a time when women didn’t chatter and giggle in public like high school girls. There really was a time when young American [women]* didn’t chirp when they talked. And somehow all that got cut out of femininity in our culture, the female gender role evolved away from adulthood.

(*my guess, the proof-reading leaves a little to be desired on that site.)
It's an interesting article. Worth a look.

[Johann the Cabbie]

...From which, I guess your hometown to be Reykjavik?

Surely you jest. I'm from a small town in central Maine.

[Gumby]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012 ... in-vacula/

Seems pretty good to me - if Justin had apologised for the mistakes he admitted he made JT would stand up for him. Even apologising for *some* if he has justification for the others... Not quite the bow-and-scrape John Welch thinks is needed.

Bullshit, tainted one. No amount of apologies would have worked. They launched a witch hunt, and they do not stop until the witch is drowned.

BTW, perineum, what do you think of Surly Amy's doc-dropping? Will you resort to the standard Baboon rationalisation (ie Baboons reserve the right to doc drop if they feel like), or actually admit Amy was wrong to do it?

Oolon's so full of shit he sharts when he burps. "If he'd only apologize." Justin said the thing with amy's address was stupid and he shouldn't have done it. But that's not enough. Because if you see what the fuckwits at FTB put Justin Griffith through, no ONLY did he have to apologize for supporting Abbie's right to have an opinion, even if he didn't agree with it, he had to reject all the overtures he'd made towards actually talking with us, and start actively shitting on us. Then, and ONLY then had he "done enough to make up for his mistake"

So Oolon saying "if he'd just apologize" is bollocks on a fucking stick. That crowd doesn't want an apology in the "admission of error and stating one will not repeat said error" sense that sane people mean. What they mean is a groveling amount of bowing and scraping and you must, MUST join in the hatred of the others.

And what groveling and shitting Justin Griffith did was still insufficient for the FTB pea-brained ignocenti. PZ, as far as I know, has kept his promise to never again acknowledge his existence. And he gets no visits or comments from any of the baboon regulars that I could see, where they often stopped by prior to Justingriffithwhateverthegatenameisgate. All that groveling, retreating backtracking and backstabbing in order to lick his masters' hands, and all it got him was a total shunning and a contemptuous, dismissive "We shall allow you to continue to exist here".

JG would have been far better off sticking to his principles and taking his lumps. If he had, and been booted off FTB, would his military atheist cause be any the worse off than it is today? I seriously doubt it. He could be doing just as well on his regular site. Maybe better off - there is no longer any "glamor" or other benefit to being attached to FTB. FTB is tainted now, and there is no honor in being associated with it. Justin can't be making any money off the site, if the number of comments he gets is any indication. I really wonder why he stays and allows himself to continue to play the part of beaten puppy. Pretty pathetic.

[Michael K Gray]

(Sorry MKG and other anti-Oolons, I'd like to respond)

You seem to mistake my position.
I am not "anti-Oolon".
I am anti-folk-being-sucked-in-to-his-transparent-game, as you seem to be.
Were I Oolon, I'd be jumping with joy that that you had been taking the fetid bait for so long, despite other fish warning you about the trol-nets.
Positively beaming.
In fact, I may becoming "pro" Oolon, for his lazy skill as a fisherman for the naïve soles [sic] who always are attracted to his coarse rhetorical rete¹ are somewhat startling, despite their crudity, catch the same fishes time & time again.
Much akin to the "curious squid", of Pratchett folklore.
_____________________
¹ Latin for net

[decius]

Take notice, everyone.

Phil, not ignoring you as I find this board a bit difficult to navigate - hard to find where I was previously and the number of people making comments on my points make it difficult to reply (Is that called a dogpile? Seems quite similar to when I disagree on FtBs).

More disingenuous self-exculpatory tripe similar to "I forgot my password" or "I'm unable to set up a second account".

The format of these boards lends itself to easy consultation and makes it very hard to miss the point and what each individual poster has said at any given time.

From experience, I started here by taking a 'contrarian' position that sent me on a collision course with several of the more eloquent and verbose (in the good sense of the word) denizens of the Pit. I had no difficulty whatsoever to follow, acknowledge and debate most if not all of their points and they all used the same courtesy to me. Although there was quite the barrage of posts coming my way, the difference was in the mutual commitment to progressing the conversation, rather than dishonestly stalling it.
Many others have managed to do the same, only poor poor Baboolon can't.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

(Sorry MKG and other anti-Oolons, I'd like to respond)

You seem to mistake my position.
I am not "anti-Oolon".
I am anti-folk-being-sucked-in-to-his-transparent-game, as you seem to be.
Were I Oolon, I'd be jumping with joy that that you had been taking the fetid bait for so long, despite other fish warning you about the trol-nets.
Positively beaming.
In fact, I may becoming "pro" Oolon, for his lazy skill as a fisherman for the naïve soles [sic] who always are attracted to his coarse rhetorical rete¹ are somewhat startling, despite their crudity, catch the same fishes time & time again.
Much akin to the "curious squid", of Pratchett folklore.
_____________________
¹ Latin for net

Gotta love you for the Jingo reference.

But if I can help him jump with joy, what's the hurt? I've made the world a little better...

<--- no smiley, out of respect

[Gumby]

By the way, I looove Dillahunty's latest video. He describes his 'experiment' to demonstrate the sanity of the A+theism forums, but says that his experiment never went to completion.
Ha!
No no no. Matt, you walked into the Large Moron Collider, where particles of stupid and lazy are crashed into each other at relativistic speeds, creating new and exotic galaxies of fallacies and sanctimonious whining.
You grabbed the largest handle you could find.
"Don't worry," you said. "The bullshit flux is just a tad too high. I'll just make this tiny adjustment too show how robust the machine is."
A small black hole, built from compressed persecution complex, formed that day, swallowing you and your internet fame whole.
The experiment was a incredible success.

:lol: Nice! :clap:

I watched the whole thing and I'm hoping that Dillahunty sticks to his guns about demanding that the A+Theists apologize to him, and that the inmates running the asylum over at the forums stick to their as well.

I'm saddened that he still won't admit that his little experiment proves him wrong, but there's still hope for a greater shit storm!

He does admit, in the latest clip, that they would have done nothing if he hadn't revealed his true (and oh so important) identity.
He just can't bring himself to admit out loud that the detractors have been proven 100% correct.

Because, of course, if he did, he'd be agreeing with the dreaded evil slimepitters. They can never force themselves to do that, no matter how right the pit is about something. They are frightened of the irrational and completely false bogeyman caricature they have made of us.