windy wrote:Jan Steen wrote:Exactly. There is no need to replace religion with anything. It's like eradicating a virus. What does Peezus propose to replace the polio virus with? He betrays his real intentions here by not writing 'religion' but 'religious ideology'. Fuck you, Myers. You are damaging the atheist/skeptic movement by wanting to turn it into an ideology instead of a sanititation campaign.
Isn't that (the bolded) more or less what PZ used to argue... what a difference a couple of years makes.
12/2009: In PZ's rebuttal to religion claiming atheism is doomed:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009 ... oooooomed/; he wrote
- …among people for whom wishful thinking is tantamount to a mathematical proof, I suppose just wanting atheism to go away is sufficient to mean it must be going away.
- Atheism has never claimed to hold the moral high ground; that’s religion’s schtick.
- Other tropes in this amazingly dumb article include the imminent demise of atheism. I think Darwinism and atheism must be in a race to be first to collapse, contradicted only by the fact that both seem to be growing stronger day by day.
9/2012: PZ Myers' talk "Soul of a New Atheism" in Denver: "
Atheism is the radical notion that we should live our lives by the principle of reason and evidence – that is, by science." That slide is on screen from 15:08-17:22 in this video [youtube]0OYAFPlh2dc[/youtube]
during which time he is talking about scientists loving science and finding wonder in the natural world, then moves on to finding purpose, then next slide is titled "Secular Causes".
At his September 3rd 2012 post "I'm back" at FtB, he writes in wonder about how enthusiastically all the "Causes" he suggested, from science education to same-sex marriage to feminism, were endorsed - vocally - by the audience at the end of his talk. Sounds like this encouraged him that he/A+ was onto something.
1/2013, PZ's comment at #42 in his thread after having actually watched Tf00t's video:
…atheist movement ... will dribble away and become increasingly irrelevant [if we ... accept the Thunderf00t position], serving no one but an increasingly negligible fraction of white male interests. If we stand up for equality, we have a shot at replacing religious ideology in this country with something better.
In that same thread, "Esteleth, Ultra-PC Feminist Harpy Out To Destroy Secularism" writes about radical feminism (in a post much quoted and agreed-with subsequently in the thread), including several of PZ's sycophants frankly agreeing that (given Esteleth's description) they are rad fems; part of her post says:
Radical feminism posits that the patriarchal system is not a coating on society, it is in and of society, and thus, society needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up.
So, the goal for atheism, in their view, is to "replac[e] religious ideology" "in this country" (US) and/or in "society" more widely by dismantling society and rebuilding it from the ground up so (as Esteleth writes) "we can move forward, not as men and women struggling against each other, but together as a species."
Oh, yeah.
That's going to go over well outside their little circle. :roll: