True, but how many reasonable people work in the school system? I'm sure they must exist, but I've never met one.[/quote]Rystefn wrote:[quote="AndrewV69"Reasonable people do not need "policys" or "guidelines".
True, but how many reasonable people work in the school system? I'm sure they must exist, but I've never met one.[/quote]Rystefn wrote:[quote="AndrewV69"Reasonable people do not need "policys" or "guidelines".
AndrewV69 wrote:Reasonable people do not need "policys" or "guidelines".Brain Box wrote:Allowing transgender students access to bathrooms is perfectly acceptable and the correct moral position, however butchering the English language to accommodate a fringe political movement is ridiculous.
I know I would come out of the closet, and as a lesbian trapped in a male body, demand my "rights" be respected to be freed from the opression of having to use the showers in front of a bunch of men.
Pay no attenttion to the hard on while I am showering with the females, just do not drop the soap. OK?
A third bathroom?Brain Box wrote:That is a pretty puritanical view to take :pray: What exactly do you propose for transgender students?
AndrewV69 wrote:Reasonable people do not need "policys" or "guidelines".Brain Box wrote:Allowing transgender students access to bathrooms is perfectly acceptable and the correct moral position, however butchering the English language to accommodate a fringe political movement is ridiculous.
I know I would come out of the closet, and as a lesbian trapped in a male body, demand my "rights" be respected to be freed from the opression of having to use the showers in front of a bunch of men.
Pay no attenttion to the hard on while I am showering with the females, just do not drop the soap. OK?
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:A third bathroom?Brain Box wrote:That is a pretty puritanical view to take :pray: What exactly do you propose for transgender students?
AndrewV69 wrote:Reasonable people do not need "policys" or "guidelines".Brain Box wrote:Allowing transgender students access to bathrooms is perfectly acceptable and the correct moral position, however butchering the English language to accommodate a fringe political movement is ridiculous.
I know I would come out of the closet, and as a lesbian trapped in a male body, demand my "rights" be respected to be freed from the opression of having to use the showers in front of a bunch of men.
Pay no attenttion to the hard on while I am showering with the females, just do not drop the soap. OK?
/joke
I'll certainly agree that he doesn't deserve any special treatment. And admittedly this of his on PZ’s recent post isn’t all that even handed, not to mention being highly questionable, and gives some evidence of playing both sides against the middle:Dick Strawkins wrote:I think we have given oolon a very fair shake. He has admitted on pharyngula that he's taking the piss here. His malicious lies have been pointed out on numerous occasions.Steersman wrote: Why don’t you tell Oolon what to do with a dead porcupine and then your passage to the “Dark Side†will be complete? I thought “we†were supposed to be above vituperative language and running people off without a fair shake and an honest discussion? ....
I don't agree with going all pharyngula on anyone but oolon doesnt deserve special treatment that protects his dishonest actions.
And I wasn’t particularly happy with his failure to note, as John Welch indicated on Justin Vacula’s blog about resigning, that Justin did in fact apologize for the “surly amy thingâ€. And which I corrected there but which Oolon has apparently yet to see or acknowledge. Something, in passing, that I think is very problematic: people make all sorts of ridiculous claims and then never correct or acknowledge their errors – Justin and Dillahunty being notable exceptions – which other people then continue to use: the problem of rumours and forestalling the consequences.Wonder if this is some sort of backlash from Vaculas ‘bullying’ from the SCA… The Rebecca ‘doc dropping’ seemed a rather poor quality rumour as well, easily dispelled. Maybe output will increase from the grumpity lumpas of the slimefactory but quality inevitably will drop.
He's posting anonymously, I'm afraid. He says that his yahoo account is fucked up or something, and he can't use it so he posts anonymously.Angry_Drunk wrote:Hey, what's up with Oolon's account. I want to set the vacuous little twit to "ignore" and the system ain't letting me.
Well you obviously didnt get your annual flu shot.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Well, that was a weird quote bug Dick and I just got.
The Hitchhicker's Guide to the Ignore:Lsuoma wrote:He's posting anonymously, I'm afraid. He says that his yahoo account is fucked up or something, and he can't use it so he posts anonymously.Angry_Drunk wrote:Hey, what's up with Oolon's account. I want to set the vacuous little twit to "ignore" and the system ain't letting me.
I'm not sure if you can make all anonymous posters foes (i.e. ignored) or not. The best way to ignore him is just to do that - most people don't think he's anything other than a waste of space, AFAICT, but people need to make their own decisions as to whether to ignore or not: I ignore, but that's a personal choice.
FWIW, I don't believe that's the case. I think he's figured out that posting anonymously means that he can escape being ignore so easily, and is being an arse about it because he can. Doesn't stop him being a douchenozzle, though.Lsuoma wrote: He's posting anonymously, I'm afraid. He says that his yahoo account is fucked up or something, and he can't use it so he posts anonymously.
That's true, I didn't. I never get the flu, or a cold. As I've stated before, I have Wolverine's imune system...ERV wrote:Well you obviously didnt get your annual flu shot.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Well, that was a weird quote bug Dick and I just got.
Lovely fellow that he is.Congrats on your war against that dangerous succubus, Justin Vacula.
You and your associates have successfully proven yourselves to be effective, and righteous social justice warriors and cultural vigilantes. The Right people, like us, need more Right people like you.
Soon you might advance to a more effective cultural correction activism and join legendary heroes like the Hitler youth and Mussolini's Blackshirts.
Bravo!
Keep up the good work Jason. You are a hero of the fight against hypocrisy, social terrorism, and the war against women and our desperately dangerous rape-infested culture.
Oolon, you silly person, just because one person corrected you (or whoever) and mentioned it's 2 month's old rather than some kind of backlash against the recent bullying of Vacula, as was suggested over there.Not having an unhealthy obsession with what each ‘side’ said and when is apparently a mortal sin in slime-world. Nectar must be gutted it took 2 months for PZ to notice it, they usually have a sub-second response to any perceived FtB infringement.
Your definition of interesting is obviously vastly different from mine. Oolon is playing a game that was perfected long before http was a gleam in Sir Tim Berners-Lee's eye:Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: I do not ignore Oolon, as he has interesting things to say from time to time. I'd be willing to engage him more if he showed a bit more honesty, though.
FUUUUUUUCK. Well, I fixed the title at least. The URL will stay misspelt. If nothing else, it's a honeypot. "your arguments are invalid because you misspelled dissension"Steersman wrote:Good article with some horsepower behind it.welch wrote:Here, for the language police fuckwits like Oolon and the rest of his pwecious circle-jerk:
http://dissentionisnothate.wordpress.co ... ge-police/
That is what real misogyny and sexism looks like. all polite and civil, probably driving a nice car, in a good suit, takes you to all the nice places.
Too bad you were born cloven instead of crested.
But, to quibble as otherwise Paula Kirby will disown me as a fellow grammar-Nazi, I think you mean “dissension†....
Sort of sums up the entire "debate" really.welch wrote: FUUUUUUUCK. Well, I fixed the title at least. The URL will stay misspelt. If nothing else, it's a honeypot. "your arguments are invalid because you misspelled dissension"
"your arguments are invalid because you're a stupid tit"
True, but how many reasonable people work in the school system? I'm sure they must exist, but I've never met one.[/quote]Rystefn wrote:[quote="AndrewV69"Reasonable people do not need "policys" or "guidelines".
I prefer to think of the NumbskullsLMU wrote:Regarding genderless pronouns I prefer "they" over made up words. If "they" usually being plural bothers you, then I find it helps to think of people as hives of intelligent ants piloting humanoid robots. Helps rationalize why people seem sane one day and crazy the next too!
I dunno why people complain about Youtube comments so much, when you can find gems of grotesque beauty such as this:Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Embedding seems to not show on my CPU. Here's the direct link, just in case:
I bet her twat smells like crab. I dunno why she just looks the type to have a crabby biff.
I was totally lying about the faggot thing then, just not on purpose - I admitted as much in my apology! So forgetting about that...Tony Parsehole wrote:Oolon truly IS the gift that keeps on giving. He makes the case that cunt and twat are misogynistic terms because some women, somewhere believe it is, and we as a forum are misogynistic for using those words/allowing their use, despite being informed about the mystical secret that some words can have multiple meanings.
He then expects us all to give him the benefit of the doubt over his "mistake" of saying we are fine with the word "faggot" in reference to JoshTheSpokesArse.
Not happening. Stop being a sneaky shit stirrer for two minutes and you might gain a level of trust but until then you are a dishonest bellend.
My apologies if my attempt at humor was misunderstood. I personally have no problem with them using whatever washroom they choose.Brain Box wrote:That is a pretty puritanical view to take :pray: What exactly do you propose for transgender students?
Some places in the GTA (greater Toronto Area) had a third washroom where fathers (among others) could take their little girl's to the washroom/ change their nappies in relative comfort.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: A third bathroom?
/joke
Rebecca Watson: 207bhoytony wrote:Don't know if everyone has seen this from Justi, but it's a beauty...
Now now now oolon, remember what I told you about the issues that result from an invalid premise?oolon** wrote: If I had to theorise I'd say it is because you are acknowledging that a lot of gay people and a lot of black people will not know your intent when using the words 'faggot' and 'nigger' to describe a black man or a gay man. You don't want to be seen to be homophobic or racist so you avoid the terms - for their benefit and others who may also make that leap. The *fact* that a lot of women will see you as sexist/misogynistic if you use similar slurs when applied to women is not a concern of yours. Or is it just because the women in question are 'Rebecunt Twatson' etc and you hate them?
Is being labelled a sexist/misogynist less of a problem than being labelled a racist or homophobe?
Oolon wrote:...wibble wibble whebo who whoo wah blim blim faggot Josh weebo weebo nigger crommunist bleh bleh wherp words are not magic the intent is not magic blah blargh whu-whu-whu goopdong...
You've asked this question already and ignored the answers you were given.oolon** wrote:I was totally lying about the faggot thing then, just not on purpose - I admitted as much in my apology! So forgetting about that...Tony Parsehole wrote:Oolon truly IS the gift that keeps on giving. He makes the case that cunt and twat are misogynistic terms because some women, somewhere believe it is, and we as a forum are misogynistic for using those words/allowing their use, despite being informed about the mystical secret that some words can have multiple meanings.
He then expects us all to give him the benefit of the doubt over his "mistake" of saying we are fine with the word "faggot" in reference to JoshTheSpokesArse.
Not happening. Stop being a sneaky shit stirrer for two minutes and you might gain a level of trust but until then you are a dishonest bellend.
I did not say cunt *is* a misogynistic term, I said some people (Mainly women) will take it as such and find it degrading and demeaning. I did not say you *are* misogynistic by using it, I said some will take it as read that you are when you use those words. Interestingly someone else here made the point that 'nigger' will fade into irrelevance eventually and not be insulting... Yes that is my point! The words are not magic, the intent is not magic... So what is? Why do *some* slimepitters *not* say 'faggot Josh' or 'nigger Crommunist' but will say 'cunt Rebecca'?
If I had to theorise I'd say it is because you are acknowledging that a lot of gay people and a lot of black people will not know your intent when using the words 'faggot' and 'nigger' to describe a black man or a gay man. You don't want to be seen to be homophobic or racist so you avoid the terms - for their benefit and others who may also make that leap. The *fact* that a lot of women will see you as sexist/misogynistic if you use similar slurs when applied to women is not a concern of yours. Or is it just because the women in question are 'Rebecunt Twatson' etc and you hate them?
Is being labelled a sexist/misogynist less of a problem than being labelled a racist or homophobe?
So far other than assume I'm disingenuous and trying to prove you all racist-misogynist-kitten-eaters I've not seen a lot in way of explanation. Ask yourself what would I gain by proving you lot are homophobes? Racists? Misogynists? FtB-Skepchick hyperbole says this already! I'm probably assumed to be a gullible idiot for thinking you may have other reasons for using these words than inveterate bigotry... NO trolling required.
I hear that every time someone says the word cunt a woman's vagina falls out and runs away.
Give me a hand, what exactly stops you using the terms 'faggot' and 'nigger' to disparage gay and black people in FtBs? What will happen if you use them? How will you be diminished, if at all? They are only words and you want to express your disgust with them as people...AndrewV69 wrote:Now now now oolon, remember what I told you about the issues that result from an invalid premise?oolon** wrote: If I had to theorise I'd say it is because you are acknowledging that a lot of gay people and a lot of black people will not know your intent when using the words 'faggot' and 'nigger' to describe a black man or a gay man. You don't want to be seen to be homophobic or racist so you avoid the terms - for their benefit and others who may also make that leap. The *fact* that a lot of women will see you as sexist/misogynistic if you use similar slurs when applied to women is not a concern of yours. Or is it just because the women in question are 'Rebecunt Twatson' etc and you hate them?
Is being labelled a sexist/misogynist less of a problem than being labelled a racist or homophobe?
A little more introspection might help you here oolon.
No, next step is a petition to have him removed as president of the Austin Atheists due to his disgraceful harrassment of A+ team and their safe spaces. :lol:John D wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHBwaa1_n0o
Matt Dillacunty is now demanding that the A+ moderators apologize to him! He swears and everything. Next volley is tossed by A+ and they will call Matt a misogynist!
I gave you a sincere and serious response back on page 157. Here's the link in case you missed it,oolon** wrote:So far other than assume I'm disingenuous and trying to prove you all racist-misogynist-kitten-eaters I've not seen a lot in way of explanation. Ask yourself what would I gain by proving you lot are homophobes? Racists? Misogynists? FtB-Skepchick hyperbole says this already! I'm probably assumed to be a gullible idiot for thinking you may have other reasons for using these words than inveterate bigotry... NO trolling required.
So you don't have any problem with calling a black person "nigger"?oolon** wrote:Give me a hand, what exactly stops you using the terms 'faggot' and 'nigger' to disparage gay and black people in FtBs? What will happen if you use them? How will you be diminished, if at all? They are only words and you want to express your disgust with them as people...AndrewV69 wrote:Now now now oolon, remember what I told you about the issues that result from an invalid premise?oolon** wrote: If I had to theorise I'd say it is because you are acknowledging that a lot of gay people and a lot of black people will not know your intent when using the words 'faggot' and 'nigger' to describe a black man or a gay man. You don't want to be seen to be homophobic or racist so you avoid the terms - for their benefit and others who may also make that leap. The *fact* that a lot of women will see you as sexist/misogynistic if you use similar slurs when applied to women is not a concern of yours. Or is it just because the women in question are 'Rebecunt Twatson' etc and you hate them?
Is being labelled a sexist/misogynist less of a problem than being labelled a racist or homophobe?
A little more introspection might help you here oolon.
I don't think "lying" is the correct term. False memory, maybe? Anyway, no grudges from me.oolon** wrote:
I was totally lying about the faggot thing then, just not on purpose - I admitted as much in my apology! So forgetting about that...
I will argue that the offended might well be the source of the offense, in giving more power to words than they hold. But I and others here have argued this point before, and agreed on this. If you let words have power over you, it's your own fault, not that of those who utter the words. As to "what is magic"? Nothing, if you're a sceptic...I did not say cunt *is* a misogynistic term, I said some people (Mainly women) will take it as such and find it degrading and demeaning. I did not say you *are* misogynistic by using it, I said some will take it as read that you are when you use those words. Interestingly someone else here made the point that 'nigger' will fade into irrelevance eventually and not be insulting... Yes that is my point! The words are not magic, the intent is not magic... So what is? Why do *some* slimepitters *not* say 'faggot Josh' or 'nigger Crommunist' but will say 'cunt Rebecca'?
Can't help you much there, we don't use these words on a daily basis where I live, and I don't use them at all (except "cunt" in its French variants. That, I use a lot, and so does everybody else).If I had to theorise I'd say it is because you are acknowledging that a lot of gay people and a lot of black people will not know your intent when using the words 'faggot' and 'nigger' to describe a black man or a gay man. You don't want to be seen to be homophobic or racist so you avoid the terms - for their benefit and others who may also make that leap. The *fact* that a lot of women will see you as sexist/misogynistic if you use similar slurs when applied to women is not a concern of yours. Or is it just because the women in question are 'Rebecunt Twatson' etc and you hate them?
s being labelled a sexist/misogynist less of a problem than being labelled a racist or homophobe?
The reason for using these words is cultural. Some do, some don't. Some do it with natural ease, some go out of their way to insult. But who cares, really? If I were to say x woman is a bitch, or a cunt, or a twat, it would be directed at x, not all women. For exemple: Sarah Palin is a cunt!So far other than assume I'm disingenuous and trying to prove you all racist-misogynist-kitten-eaters I've not seen a lot in way of explanation. Ask yourself what would I gain by proving you lot are homophobes? Racists? Misogynists? FtB-Skepchick hyperbole says this already! I'm probably assumed to be a gullible idiot for thinking you may have other reasons for using these words than inveterate bigotry... NO trolling required.
Merriam-Webster gives 'dissention' as a recognized variant of 'dissension', so I wouldn't worry too much.welch wrote: FUUUUUUUCK. Well, I fixed the title at least. The URL will stay misspelt. If nothing else, it's a honeypot. "your arguments are invalid because you misspelled dissension""
I saw that one, too. A real prize-winner! "Biff" was a new one for me, being an American.Tigzy wrote: I dunno why people complain about Youtube comments so much, when you can find gems of grotesque beauty such as this:
I bet her twat smells like crab. I dunno why she just looks the type to have a crabby biff.
Dick, you really don't have to try and make me spit my tea all over my laptop... You reckon 'twat' is ok because Rebecca uses it! Is this the same Rebecca who is wrong about everything? The anti-sceptic? The worst feminist in the world? But you follow her alone for guidance on what words are ok by you... I really hope you were parodying yourself here :pray:Dick Strawkins wrote: The term "twat", however, is used by Rebecca Watson live on the SGU, so it cannot be placed in the same category as "cunt".
I therefore don't have a problem with using that term when it is appropriate.
For example, "oolon, you lying twat!"
Nothing stops me for using the terms oolon. Your question should be why do you want me to?oolon** wrote: Give me a hand, what exactly stops you using the terms 'faggot' and 'nigger' to disparage gay and black people in FtBs? What will happen if you use them? How will you be diminished, if at all? They are only words and you want to express your disgust with them as people...
Beat me to the post - I was wondering the same thing. Oolon seems to believe we have some sort of special obligation here to use those terms.AndrewV69 wrote:Nothing stops me for using the terms oolon. Your question should be why do you want me to?oolon** wrote: Give me a hand, what exactly stops you using the terms 'faggot' and 'nigger' to disparage gay and black people in FtBs? What will happen if you use them? How will you be diminished, if at all? They are only words and you want to express your disgust with them as people...
I'm fairly new here, but I believe I'm gonna state the obvious about this: Because it's terrible to imply that our disgust for someone has anything to do with their sexuality or race. I imagine most people here are progressives, people's sexuality or skincolor is irrelevant to us. I mean, we understand that prejudice still exists in society at large, but we certainly don't condone it.oolon** wrote:Give me a hand, what exactly stops you using the terms 'faggot' and 'nigger' to disparage gay and black people in FtBs? What will happen if you use them? How will you be diminished, if at all? They are only words and you want to express your disgust with them as people...
He seems desperate to screengrab some evidence of slymepit evil, to bring back to his FTB masters.Tigzy wrote:Beat me to the post - I was wondering the same thing. Oolon seems to believe we have some sort of special obligation here to use those terms.AndrewV69 wrote:Nothing stops me for using the terms oolon. Your question should be why do you want me to?oolon** wrote: Give me a hand, what exactly stops you using the terms 'faggot' and 'nigger' to disparage gay and black people in FtBs? What will happen if you use them? How will you be diminished, if at all? They are only words and you want to express your disgust with them as people...
nagger?Dick Strawkins wrote:He seems desperate to screengrab some evidence of slymepit evil, to bring back to his FTB masters.Tigzy wrote:Beat me to the post - I was wondering the same thing. Oolon seems to believe we have some sort of special obligation here to use those terms.AndrewV69 wrote:Nothing stops me for using the terms oolon. Your question should be why do you want me to?oolon** wrote: Give me a hand, what exactly stops you using the terms 'faggot' and 'nigger' to disparage gay and black people in FtBs? What will happen if you use them? How will you be diminished, if at all? They are only words and you want to express your disgust with them as people...
I predict his next attempt will be along the lines of asking:
"OK, genuine question, what word rhymes with 'rigger', but begins with the letter "n"?" :D
Saint N, First of all - saw you pointing me to this reply - I missed it so not trying to ignore you or Steersman who made some good points as well.Saint N. wrote: Let me give you two sentences:
1.) "I choose not to use certain words because I don't feel comfortable saying them."
2.) "You are not allowed to say certain words because I don't feel comfortable hearing them."
Can you spot the difference between these two statements? Because if you can't I don't see us having much of a fruitful conversation. Somebody setting themselves as the arbiter of their own diction (drawing the limits and boundaries to what they personally see as appropriate and inappropriate), is quite difference than somebody stipulating to another person a set list of acceptable and unacceptable words on the basis that if this list is not followed by the person one wishes to impose it on, this person is by definition of an indecent character.
Do you, like, read all comments adressed to you, or are you just being selective in your answers?oolon** wrote:Saint N, First of all - saw you pointing me to this reply - I missed it so not trying to ignore you or Steersman who made some good points as well.Saint N. wrote: Let me give you two sentences:
1.) "I choose not to use certain words because I don't feel comfortable saying them."
2.) "You are not allowed to say certain words because I don't feel comfortable hearing them."
Can you spot the difference between these two statements? Because if you can't I don't see us having much of a fruitful conversation. Somebody setting themselves as the arbiter of their own diction (drawing the limits and boundaries to what they personally see as appropriate and inappropriate), is quite difference than somebody stipulating to another person a set list of acceptable and unacceptable words on the basis that if this list is not followed by the person one wishes to impose it on, this person is by definition of an indecent character.
You don't address why 1) is an option at all, why self select or censor? Where does the lack of comfort come from and why is it applied to some words over others? Just because an argument has been made that in a particular area the slur is not a slur? Is the internet not a world-wide medium or do you somehow only care if your 'tribe' are offended or find offence in your words? What percentage does it take for it to be accepted or not? Think confirmation bias might slip in for slimepitters seeking how accepted a particular word is? cf. Dick needing only one data point, Rebecca Watson, to confirm to him that 'twat' is ok. By that not-logic all words are ok as someone somewhere will find them inoffensive!
Rest of your comment brings in context, I am not saying it is irrelevant but I'm hoping we can assume that the person hearing the slurs we are discussing finds them extremely offensive in the context used. I think we can both agree that context is important but I don't think it is relevant when regarding these words as I want implicit assumption that the context is a *bad* one. Hence "..that n*gger Crommunist.." or "..that f*ggot Josh.." (Censoring to not be accused of Google bombing) are used as my 'context'...
I just thought he was retarded or something.Badger3k wrote:WTF is with the "hir" reference? Are they too scared to use real terms anymore?
What a nasty piece of work she is.Guest wrote:New Amy Davis Roth post. In sfiting through lies, she seems to engage in many herself while not moving forward and then hops on sw bandwagon after they author press release on justin - SN is mentioned too
http://skepchick.org/2012/10/sifting-th ... g-forward/
