Periodic Table of Swearing

[disumbrationist]

There is certainly no one in Atheism+ or Freethought Blogs who could get a response like he did, who lectures as well, and has the intellectual chops he does. ...

It needs everything, intellect, achievement, linguistic skill, but most of all, passion. I dont think one even needs to be an academic - who could forget the way Stephen Fry demolished the opposition in the Great Debate a few yrs back...made even Hitch look ordinary

Passion is not high on my list. Fanatics have passion, often more than anyone else. What I appreciate is passion reigned by intelligence and skepticism. Passion makes a good fellow passenger, but don't let it into the driver's seat or you might find yourself heading for a cliff.

[real horrorshow]

Yes, that is precisely what I was referring to. I just had to laugh at the entire hat portion of the comment thread. Funny (and not ha-ha funny) thing is, I've never said anything negative about PZ. Ever. So, I was kinda surprised at the post. But the comments didn't surprise me, at all. In fact, none of the comments on the couple/few posts that have tied me up to the post of perpetual flames have surprised me.

Since I posted karpad has been kicked all around the playground by his own gang. As he deserves.

[Lapsang Souchong]

Michael K Gray, am I correct that you were a regular poster over at the Dawkins site (or am I confusing your name with some other poster)? I'm just wondering what's happened to the the regular posting of news, comments, etc. The feed in my Google Reader doesn't show any new posts since August.

[Tigzy]

Here's Ophelia, 'doubling-down', as it were: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ote-to-al/

The quick note is just to say that I didn’t know it was a secret. I didn’t know I was letting a cat out of a bag. Part of the reason for that is that the ragey podcast with Reap Paden was already out there. Given the nature of the podcast it didn’t even occur to me that Al was keeping his departure a secret. Maybe it should have, but it didn’t. I didn’t intend to leave Al with a shitload of work on a night he’d planned to spend with his family.

Uh-huh. Gotcha, O withered Plum. You had no idea that Al might have preferred to announce his departure himself. I'd personally like to refer Nanny Fee to Empathy 101 on this, given that anyone whose brain surely isn't gradually being eaten by desperately hungry cannibal amoebas would know that this kind of personal info is best left to the person involved, and that they might just feel a little offended should some meddlesome ratbag with a mouth like dog's bottom announce such details on their behalf.

I'm still torn on what FfTBer I despise the most - the appalling shit-stirring, interfering, vapid, obscurantist dong-dong that is Ophelia, or the vindictive, nasty, stupid, bully-apologist bag of sick that is Zvan. Peezus isn't actually my least liked baboon, in that he can occasionally be interesting, and I do respect him for his work. Yes, he's an obscure professor at a fairly obscure university - but it's that kind of thankless donkey-work which keep the sciences - or any academic discipline - going. It's difficult work, not glamorous, but essential IMO. That said, PZ is still a massive arse.

In any case, I myself feel I've been injust in tarring the FfTB crowd with the same brush. Recent events have made it pretty clear to me that there are (or more pertinently, were) some good bloggers there. For those that remain, Aron Ra is usually excellent. And I reckon Mano might be worth checking out more closely. Hell, I don't even mind Natalie Reed that much, even if most of her stuff is tl;dr.

In any case, I'm gonna do my utmost to refrain from using 'FfTbers' in favour of 'FCers'. Most of us know who they are, anyway.

These is, at least, one thing about FTB that has proven illuminating to me: the network seriously disproves the notion of there being a God: Al left and Ophelia stays; Lennon got shot and Ringo didn't. Simples!

[Gumby]

Having PZ sign a copy of the "God Delusion" is like having Pauly Shore sign the autobiography of Sir Alec Guinness.

I just spit out coffee everywhere laughing over this :D

Glad I could help!

[mutleyeng]

didnt Al make that post the same day as the podcast? So if she thought he didnt know it was going to be his last post when he made it......
does anyone fall for this bullshit? really?

[welch]

Okay you overly prolific cunts, I've finally caught up. It's been an insane week offline, and I see, an equally insane week online.

But, the coolest news over the past week - my sister walked the other day, a whole fifty feet, without her walker, for the first time in about four years.

Dude, that's awesome!

My minion has a daughter who they weren't sure would ever walk. One day, she just got up and walked across the room. She, (the minion) was as happy as I think anyone could be. So yeah, that's huge.

[welch]

Here's Ophelia, 'doubling-down', as it were: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ote-to-al/

The quick note is just to say that I didn’t know it was a secret. I didn’t know I was letting a cat out of a bag. Part of the reason for that is that the ragey podcast with Reap Paden was already out there. Given the nature of the podcast it didn’t even occur to me that Al was keeping his departure a secret. Maybe it should have, but it didn’t. I didn’t intend to leave Al with a shitload of work on a night he’d planned to spend with his family.

Uh-huh. Gotcha, O withered Plum. You had no idea that Al might have preferred to announce his departure himself. I'd personally like to refer Nanny Fee to Empathy 101 on this, given that anyone whose brain surely isn't gradually being eaten by desperately hungry cannibal amoebas would know that this kind of personal info is best left to the person involved, and that they might just feel a little offended should some meddlesome ratbag with a mouth like dog's bottom announce such details on their behalf.

I'm still torn on what FfTBer I despise the most - the appalling shit-stirring, interfering, vapid, obscurantist dong-dong that is Ophelia, or the vindictive, nasty, stupid, bully-apologist bag of sick that is Zvan. Peezus isn't actually my least liked baboon, in that he can occasionally be interesting, and I do respect him for his work. Yes, he's an obscure professor at a fairly obscure university - but it's that kind of thankless donkey-work which keep the sciences - or any academic discipline - going. It's difficult work, not glamorous, but essential IMO. That said, PZ is still a massive arse.

In any case, I myself feel I've been injust in tarring the FfTB crowd with the same brush. Recent events have made it pretty clear to me that there are (or more pertinently, were) some good bloggers there. For those that remain, Aron Ra is usually excellent. And I reckon Mano might be worth checking out more closely. Hell, I don't even mind Natalie Reed that much, even if most of her stuff is tl;dr.

In any case, I'm gonna do my utmost to refrain from using 'FfTbers' in favour of 'FCers'. Most of us know who they are, anyway.

These is, at least, one thing about FTB that has proven illuminating to me: the network seriously disproves the notion of there being a God: Al left and Ophelia stays; Lennon got shot and Ringo didn't. Simples!

Ophelia is so far up her own ass, she's a klein bottle.

[Tony Parsehole]

I'm still torn on what FfTBer I despise the most - the appalling shit-stirring, interfering, vapid, obscurantist dong-dong that is Ophelia, or the vindictive, nasty, stupid, bully-apologist bag of sick that is Zvan. Peezus isn't actually my least liked baboon, in that he can occasionally be interesting, and I do respect him for his work. Yes, he's an obscure professor at a fairly obscure university - but it's that kind of thankless donkey-work which keep the sciences - or any academic discipline - going. It's difficult work, not glamorous, but essential IMO. That said, PZ is still a massive arse.

Zvan. Hands down. I have no problem with her being a spiteful bitch, it's the way she rationalises all the nasty shit her friends do, with the most hypocitical double-standards that make me hate the cunt.

[Steve Schuler]

Too funny,
You know how you lot were talking about how Ophelia would be having a hissy fit because she couldnt moderate replies to her comments on Als blog?
shes got it covered - she just replies with pingbacks to her blog now.

Yep, the Baboons hate it when they can't control the narrative.

What a silly bunt!

How True!

Yesterday when Ophelia did her smear-job on Al using the tragedy of a young girls suicide as the entry point to a post I actually had a few comments of mine that were published. I have my suspicions that she published them as a result of something I'd written on Al's blog, but who knows? At any rate I apparently regained my 'moderated into silence' status when I suggested that the reason she didn't continue the conversation on Al's blog was not that it had been overrun by her 'harrassers' as she claimed, but rather that it wasn't an environment she could control the dialog via silencing the opposition.

Ophelia's going at it again today with another go at Al, "Note to Al" I think is the title. Anyhow, I submitted a comment that as a self-confessed drama junkie that I am, that I would like to thank her for being the drama queen that she is. It didn't stay in moderation for very long and publication wasn't it's destiny.

Yeah, it's not fair or reasonable to paint all of the FtB bloggers with the same brush, FCers is much more target specific moniker for those deserving ridicule, I think.

[Rystefn]

Wow... high school photos are always so embarrassing... I can't believe I actually went out in public dressed like that.

Not one looks good in stripes.

No one who isn't a cat, anyway.

Yeah, that's right. I said it. Fuck you, zebras. Nobody likes you anyway.

I've used "Zebra" as a nym in years past, including at the INTJ Forum. They're ornery & can't be domesticated; I can relate.
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/zebra.html

[Zebras] are unpredictable and are known to attack people. To be domesticated, animals must meet certain criteria. ... Zebras' unpredictable nature and tendency to attack preclude them from being good candidates for domestication.

Yeah, I know it. They're ornery fuckers with a bad attitude. They still look like shit in stripes. Not that they give a fuck what you think, because looking like shit is exactly the plan.

[Scented Nectar]

Michael K Gray, am I correct that you were a regular poster over at the Dawkins site (or am I confusing your name with some other poster)? I'm just wondering what's happened to the the regular posting of news, comments, etc. The feed in my Google Reader doesn't show any new posts since August.

I haven't seen any for a while either, so I went to the site, and there's a new RSS feed url. I copied it into the 'Subscribe' in Reader, and it seems to have new stuff. Here's the url to use for subscribing:

Code: Select all

http://richarddawkins.net/faq/rss

[Tony Parsehole]

I had the weirdest feeling today. I read oolons blog and I felt sorry for the little fucker. After all the double-standard shit he pulled, all the arguing in bad faith and dishonest bitching about the Pit to the FTB crowd, I felt a twang of pity for him being banned by his idol. What the fuck is happening to me?

[sacha]

Yeah; the staff at Atheism+ sure did react like they expected me to cause aggression-related injuries.
(though I didn't use "Zebra" there)

FYI: It is my (imperfect) understanding that Ophelia Benson was once a zoological keeper. Pachyderm specialist, I think.

I thought she just cleaned the habitat, but here she claims she worked in a nursery.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-255261

[Rystefn]

Haha! Hrab talk reminded me I met him at the TX Freethought convention in 2009. I sent him a friend request along with a note 'Hey I spoke at TX Freethought we met there blah blah...' and he never friended me back. Now it says I need to send him another request (its not 'pending'), so he actually declined my request. LOL! He likes women with 'both brains and body', but not like, actual smart attractive women, LOL!!!

This is one of the reasons PUA approaches work, they go after the '9s and 10s'-- Men are often intimidated by a womans looks and intelligence, so a guy who actually has the guts to confidently approach an attractive woman and a guy who isnt intimidated by genuine intelligence are successful. Why? Cause the chick is shocked hes actually interested in her and attracted to his confidence. I cant tell you how many times my guy friends (thinking they were flattering me) would tattle on their guy friends commenting on how 'hot' I was while they were hiding in their locker room at the gym. I was always like 'Great. So they think Im 'hot'. And Im going to be sitting with Arnie watching Netflix on Saturday because they wont ask me out for coffee." I cant tell you how many times I dated someone who initially LOVED that I was an HIV researcher, and LOVED parading their 'HIV researcher girlfriend' in front of their friends. But when reality hit the fan (I spend a ton of time in the lab, I get frustrated at work and the partner has no helpful insight/advice, I am not easy to impress intellectually, they might have to make personal sacrifices to support me) suddenly an HIV researcher for a girlfriend was not so attractive.

One of the many reasons this fiasco has pissed me off is that Watson lynching the guy who asked her for coffee, Myers weird creepy 'advice' to guys wanting to date atheist women, it makes dating even *harder* for guys AND women.

</ramble>

Yeah, that sounds like it would suck balls. For what it's worth, if I wasn't a few thousand miles away, I'd totally ask out for coffee or whatever the local equivalent is.

[sacha]

I have a difficult time sorting through the original Slime Pit. I would like to post links to what was said regarding the infamous mention I got from Becci. It was towards the end of the final thread (Periodic Table of Swearing). I even asked franc to help, but he could not locate them with my keywords. Can one of you please help?

My Google-Fu skills turned up this: http://www.scentednectar.com/slimepit-a ... v-pg91.htm.

cheers, mate!

here:

ignore.jpg

(55.59 KiB) Downloaded 312 times

leaving it sized, so it can be read easily. The rest of the discussion is on the page Keating linked to.

cheers

[justinvacula]

Ophelia says:

Aratina – well I’m pretty sure the podcast full of violent misogynistic slurs aimed at me is not conditional. I’m pretty sure it’s on the calendar no matter what, so there would be no point in my shutting up even if I wanted to or intended to.

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

[Rystefn]

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

Clearly, they are working from some new and heretofore unknown definition of "violent." May be related to their definition of "men's rights activist," "misogyny," and "privilege."

[papillon]

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

"I say, young lady; if you do not refrain from talking over the men, I shall be forced to have you over my knee.
You little cunt" - Bertrand Russell.

?????

[welch]

Ophelia says:

Aratina – well I’m pretty sure the podcast full of violent misogynistic slurs aimed at me is not conditional. I’m pretty sure it’s on the calendar no matter what, so there would be no point in my shutting up even if I wanted to or intended to.

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

In their world? It usually starts with "I disagree with you on this..."

[jg64]

[quote="Michael K Gray
At the risk of seeming smug (by virtue of posting frequency) might I say that I can feel some empathy with you?
Perhaps not balanced empathy in parallel with your specific concerns, but empathy nonetheless.
1) Glad to hear that you are peeling yourself away from superstition.
As painful as having a band-aid ripped off a scar, but as vital that it should be removed after the healing process, lest it fester.
2) Many of we here have disabilities, but choose not to employ them as bait, nor lures for sympathy, unlike the A+Theistics.
As for your daughter: what can we do to help? Or: more specifically, is there anything that I can do to assist?
My own daughter is healthy, but I have acquired visual defects, and maybe able to proffer "lulz" to add spice to y0our existence?
Something that the negative drones at A+Theism lack is a sense of humour, that's for sure.[/quote]

Hi Michael,

Thanks for the welcome and empathy, Kind Sir. I don't actually see myself as having any problems, probably as I wasn't diagnosed until my mid thirties. Also thanks for the offer of assistance regarding my daughter. It is very much appreciated. She is managing very well on the 'puter, but hates the software we were using, Supernova. She prefers doing without, and just sitting close to the screen. Probs not good for, but actually easier for her to manage as she is very easily frustrated.

Feel free to offer away regarding the lulz's, they are always appreciated. Have you seen the comedian Jason Byrne doing his special eye joke? For some reason this made me feel better about my daughter's special eye, though it is very much more special than Jason's, jittering furiously as it does. I honestly don't know how she sees so well, all things considered.

First time at youtubing stuff, finger's crossed that it works. Have to dash now, time for Jazz to watch The X Factor. She's already picked her winner out, and there'll be hell to pay if she misses it.

[youtube]B0VtkCrbLd8[/youtube]

[jg64]

Bugger, quote fail.

At least the youtube worked. Thanks to Scented Nectar for posting a while back on how to!

[Mykeru]

The FTBers once attacked Gurdur's penchant for hat-wearing as well, and mocked him by saying something along the lines of "Does he really think that shitty hat makes him look like a snappy dresser?" These people have nothing. Nothing.

I own three Fedoras and a Panama (a real one, from Equador*), so obviously I'm some kind of uber-fascist! I imagine the Baboon chapeau shop to be stocked with this sort of thing:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8083 ... 42ca_q.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8330/8083 ... 8354_q.jpg

*That'll fox the 'boons

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8083 ... 163e_z.jpg

[mutleyeng]

Hello again new peeps.

Oh and new people (of all genders and none), please can we have more cat avatars?

sorted

[Mykeru]

Ophelia says:

Aratina – well I’m pretty sure the podcast full of violent misogynistic slurs aimed at me is not conditional. I’m pretty sure it’s on the calendar no matter what, so there would be no point in my shutting up even if I wanted to or intended to.

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

Sounds like Rebecca trying to spin a tale of her oppression while shitfaced as usual.

[Rystefn]

Oh, we talking about hats now? I've got a pretty sweet hat, by all accounts.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8192/8083 ... 5d9fdb.jpg

It's dark because it was in a bar, but you can see it alright, I think. You can also see my natural hair color, which isn't common these last several years.

[soldierwhy]

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

Why have you got a Gurkha Rifles beret mate? Collector?

[Trophy]

I actually like Ian (The Crommunist) and think that he is a pretty smart guy who means well, but is a bit too attached to 'Identity Political Theory' paradigms and confined within a pretty narrow base of personal experience for his own good, like I would know what would be better for 'his own good'. :-) I probably will comment on his blog in the future, see how it goes, and take it from there.

I really like Crommunist as well and he is smarter and much less reactionary than many of his colleagues and I like a lot of his posts. I've no idea what the hell is "identify Political Theory" though.

Anyhow, having lived in Hawaii as a white-boy for a couple of years I can attest to a couple of things: Yes, anti-white racism can be a significant problem (if you're white) in parts of America, and sometimes all it takes is a look to communicate utter racial contempt. "Stink-Eye" is the colloquial expression used in Hawaii for this form of non-verbal communication, which is a pretty potent hateful glare that requires no verbal conversation to be understood. So, in a sense I think that Ian is not entirely wrong about 'spidey sense', although I think that in the way he was using it allowed for folks to rationalize a rush to judgement when that might not be warranted.

Complex thing, this life that is...

First, anti-white racism does not surprise me, after all, we are all humans. Second, I'm not saying that the "spidey sense" is always wrong or it's often wrong. Heck, for all I know it could be often right. But the problem with this, as all well as all the other 'sixth senses' is that it is difficult to objectively verify it. This point, the separation of what you feel from what might or is actually true, as well as being aware that your senses can easily fool you, is one of the very basic points of scepticism. It is very easy to call others on their reliance on this mental heuristic, the difficult thing is to detect it in yourself and putting a leash on it. So basically, I'm not saying that everytime you feel someone is presenting a racist point of view, you are wrong. I'm saying that you could be easily fooled by your brain while at the same time feeling extremely sure that you are right.

[Scented Nectar]

Bugger, quote fail.

At least the youtube worked. Thanks to Scented Nectar for posting a while back on how to!

You're welcome. I figure if I'm going to post too many videos sometimes, I should show others how to do it too! :)

[real horrorshow]

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

The respirator you have there looks more costume than practical.

My favourite hat is my Akubra Federation Deluxe:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8053/8083 ... c19172.jpg
It comes with a pre WW2 style high open crown, so you can put your own 'bash' on it. Very comfy. Though they're a hell of a price these days!

If I want to offend Baboon types, I have my Afrika Korps cap:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8469/8083 ... 9a99_m.jpg

My Panama is showing it's age a bit, I may need to replace it by next spring.

[JackRayner]

No such thing happened. @ElevatorGate is, at worst, the kind of troll that shares absolutely every stupid thing that the skepchics and their ilk post onto twitter, blogs, or say in videos/podcasts. For example, he likes to retweet people that thank Sulky Amy after they buy her grade school arts & crafts projects. I know a lot of people aren't fond of him, but he's absolutely harmless....unless you're the kind of person that hates having your stupidity mocked.

To be honest, I follow @ElevatorGate on twatter for the occasional useful tidbit, but those tidbits are rare. I'm getting kind of sick of him and will likely unfollow his account. He's got the stink of obsession on him, plus my eyes start rolling every time I read his "valiant hero" nonsense.

:lol:

I can see how it can get grating at times, [all of the time?] but maybe I've just built a tolerance?

[oolon, slimy turd]

I had the weirdest feeling today. I read oolons blog and I felt sorry for the little fucker. After all the double-standard shit he pulled, all the arguing in bad faith and dishonest bitching about the Pit to the FTB crowd, I felt a twang of pity for him being banned by his idol. What the fuck is happening to me?

Hehe cheers Tony. But a bit of temporary anger at being misrepresented passes over pretty fast for me... What have I lost? The ability to brainfart all over Pharyngula, oh noes! Send me some slimy hugs if you want :violin:

Is that why the pitters are so butthurt about being banned? Many seem to have stories that get trotted out about how PZ or Skepchick were so mean to them... Is this the truth, you all looked up to Rebecca, PZ etc and they spurned you. I suppose hell hath no fury like a Pitter spurned eh?

[Mykeru]

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

Why have you got a Gurkha Rifles beret mate? Collector?

I do a lot of survival and primitive skills stuff now. Or, I would be were it not for my fractured heel. I have various Panawal and Chitlange I got in Nepal that I love. So much so that the last person who tried to baton (split wood by hitting the spine of the knife because that fraud Bear Grylls does it) with one was never allowed near it again.

Oh, just to define what I do is based on the idea that you could get lost, trapped by inclimate weather, injured while camping, hiking, climbing, mountain biking etc. A phenomena called Woods Shock which means how goddamn easy it is to get lost, how without visual reference it's impossible for a human to walk in a straight line, people never retrace their steps when they should fascinates me.

I'm also a total fucking gear hound.

This should not be confused with "survivalists" or "preppers" who are fat delusional fucks who think civilization will collapse from a number of paranoid reasons and fancy that they wouldn't be the first ones killed, eaten and their pockets gone through for loose change. Unfortunately, I see those people a lot. One meet I was sitting at the fire with a guy discussing whether he should have gold stashed should we go Mad Max. I asked him how he eats gold. Then the conversation moved to having things that would be of real value, like antibiotics or water treatment tablets to trade, just for sake of discussion.

Which just goes to show even nuts take constructive criticism better than Atheism Plus pod people.

[Mykeru]

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

The respirator you have there looks more costume than practical.
[/quote]

It's one of two Soviet Era gas masks I have, so you are probably right. I have no urge to test it in a cloud of ammonia chloride.

Oh, "costume". I see what you did there, you sly fucker.

[Reap]

It makes me wonder how he'd sound on Reap's podcast. Would he spend the whole time trying to get Reap to start shouting racist slurs?

Reap has extended an invitation to Oolon on his podcast. It would be nice and interesting to hear this.

Yes I have and the offer still stands. In fact I have always made it clear anyone I talk about or have a dispute with is welcome to come on my show and clear up any misconceptions or to tell me what they think of me directly. I have a certain amount of respect for anyone who will do that no matter what it is they have to say.

You would not want me.
I utterly despise philosophy.
I am not a humanist.
I have residual speech difficulties.
I don't commonly curse.
I don't have Skype.
I am Australian.
I don't enjoy juvenile banter (anymore).

You also underestimate yourself and me. I'll bet you a baby sandwinch we could have a good conversation. The very fact you are here and you can post the above tells me enough. And I can call out on my skype ask Phil. I squandered a whole $.13 on the call to him. Money is no object..... as long as it isn't more than $10.00

[mikelf]

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8083 ... 163e_z.jpg

You always seemed to be a bit odd to me. I guess my spidey sense was correct.

The Mets? Seriously?

[Rystefn]

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

Why have you got a Gurkha Rifles beret mate? Collector?

I do a lot of survival and primitive skills stuff now. Or, I would be were it not for my fractured heel. I have various Panawal and Chitlange I got in Nepal that I love. So much so that the last person who tried to baton (split wood by hitting the spine of the knife because that fraud Bear Grylls does it) with one was never allowed near it again.

Oh, just to define what I do is based on the idea that you could get lost, trapped by inclimate weather, injured while camping, hiking, climbing, mountain biking etc. A phenomena called Woods Shock which means how goddamn easy it is to get lost, how without visual reference it's impossible for a human to walk in a straight line, people never retrace their steps when they should fascinates me.

I'm also a total fucking gear hound.

This should not be confused with "survivalists" or "preppers" who are fat delusional fucks who think civilization will collapse from a number of paranoid reasons and fancy that they wouldn't be the first ones killed, eaten and their pockets gone through for loose change. Unfortunately, I see those people a lot. One meet I was sitting at the fire with a guy discussing whether he should have gold stashed should we go Mad Max. I asked him how he eats gold. Then the conversation moved to having things that would be of real value, like antibiotics or water treatment tablets to trade, just for sake of discussion.

Which just goes to show even nuts take constructive criticism better than Atheism Plus pod people.

Most of my useful semi-wild skills and knowledge are about coastal swamplands, and the rest are about the Gulf of Mexico. Drop me on an island in the gulf, and assuming it's not failing to rain for a long time, I may not even notice I'm supposed to stranded for a week or two. Then, for some dumbass reason, I moved to Seattle. If I get lost in the woods and mountains up here, I'm right fucked unless a friendly sasquatch happens along and rescues my sorry ass.

[JackRayner]

I got a chance to hear Richard Dawkins speak last tuesday, and during the talk something crystallized in my mind: there is probably no one in the atheist movement who could replace him. The talk was held in a smaller room, but the room was completely full: people standing, sitting on the aisles. His talk was called 'Darwin's 5 Bridges,' in which he listed the steps along the path of evolutionary biology as a series of bridges that some thinkers crossed while others didn't. It's a talk he has apparently given before elsewhere.

Never heard about that one. Sweet. Found it online;

[youtube]t1nuEbFvZ-8[/youtube]

[John Greg]

Oolon (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 300#p19911) says:

Is that why the pitters are so butthurt about being banned?

Ah, there you go again, you deceitful, mendacious piece of dog's dropping. No one here is in any way whatsoever "butthurt" about being banned from FfTB or Skepchick. The point of our focus on banning is and always has been the deplorable hypocrisy and dishonesty, and the palpable reflection of Orwellian social control that is present in the act of banning.

Banning creates false consensus, and paints a false picture of what people think. It is also little more than an exercise in power and a form of extremely juvenile discipline carried out by people who are simply not adult enough, or intellectually sound enough, to carry on a legitimate dialogue.

But you, in your typical fashion, want to minimize, dismiss, and misrepresent our position as "butthurt"?

Fuck off Oolon. You're just a fucking liar and a waste of space.

[Rystefn]

I'm banned from both Skepchick and Phawrongula (maybe a lot of FTB, I wouldn't know). Didn't bother me in the slightest, not remotely butthurt. Frankly, the way I got banned by PZ is a source of endless amusement to me. Becca... well, I can't blame her, I'd likely have banned me, too, really.

[rayshul]

A collection of comments...

Delurks.

Welcome to the 'pit. :) I do some stuff around online accessibility and have heard the JAWS screenreader is pretty good.

Hello there, my name is Gumby, from the Church of the Sisterhood of the Oppressed. Haven't you heard the Good News? May I come into your home and share this story, my sister in Peezus?

I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IN THE SLIGHTEST IF THIS STARTED HAPPENING.

Same here, in my case my dad's side is black and my mom's brown/olive skin. My brother looks like Tupac Shakur (skin color and all), he is jail now. I saw his arrest papers. He was identified as "white Hispanic". :lol:

I'm currently having great fun writing down SUB SAHARAN AFRICAN in the race category for my white, green-eyed, fair haired son. Not my fucking fault my husband's genes completely wiped out mine.

But, the coolest news over the past week - my sister walked the other day, a whole fifty feet, without her walker, for the first time in about four years.

Wheeee! Fantastic news!!!

I'm still torn on what FfTBer I despise the most - the appalling shit-stirring, interfering, vapid, obscurantist dong-dong that is Ophelia, or the vindictive, nasty, stupid, bully-apologist bag of sick that is Zvan. Peezus isn't actually my least liked baboon, in that he can occasionally be interesting, and I do respect him for his work. Yes, he's an obscure professor at a fairly obscure university - but it's that kind of thankless donkey-work which keep the sciences - or any academic discipline - going. It's difficult work, not glamorous, but essential IMO. That said, PZ is still a massive arse.

Zvan. Hands down. I have no problem with her being a spiteful bitch, it's the way she rationalises all the nasty shit her friends do, with the most hypocitical double-standards that make me hate the cunt.

Agreed. She's fucking horrible. I can't find anything nice or even anything to think that might mitigate her behavior.

[ReneeHendricks]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

[Rystefn]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

Actually, I wouldn't put it past her. The victim being hated on thing is a huge part of her persona. I could see this one going either way, really.

[Badger3k]

didnt Al make that post the same day as the podcast? So if she thought he didnt know it was going to be his last post when he made it......
does anyone fall for this bullshit? really?

Especially when Ophelia added the (paraphrasing here, someone quoted it earlier in the thread) "and he may not have known it would be his last" comment about Al. Somehow, that little snippy bit just reveals her petty and spiteful nature. If she knew he was leaving, then he surely would know what his last post was - why would it be a surprise, unless there were plans to kick him off?

[rayshul]

Oolon (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 300#p19911) says:

Is that why the pitters are so butthurt about being banned?

Ah, there you go again, you deceitful, mendacious piece of dog's dropping. No one here is in any way whatsoever "butthurt" about being banned from FfTB or Skepchick. The point of our focus on banning is and always has been the deplorable hypocrisy and dishonesty, and the palpable reflection of Orwellian social control that is present in the act of banning.

I think it's quite funny. It's all WHAT YOU THINK OTHERWISE... HAH!!! BANNEDDDD!!!! On a place called free thought blogs!!

It's so silly.

I've never been banned, nor have I posted on any of their blogs. I stay away from them and don't visit the blogs ever because I was blacklisted after being seen on the Slymepit, and I truly respect that if they think I'm a threat. I think it's the nice thing to do, to let people have their own little blogs and not feel hassled in their own "space". (I'm really not a threat, by the way - I live millions of miles away from all of them and would avoid them if I ever came near them...)

[Badger3k]

I'm banned from both Skepchick and Phawrongula (maybe a lot of FTB, I wouldn't know). Didn't bother me in the slightest, not remotely butthurt. Frankly, the way I got banned by PZ is a source of endless amusement to me. Becca... well, I can't blame her, I'd likely have banned me, too, really.

I just assumed that I've been preemptively banned. I have no desire to post at either place, so I never wasted time to check it out. Since I never want to comment there, why would I feel hurt, assuming I am banned?

[bhoytony]

After reading that rant about Al I'm beginning to suspect that it wasn't the so-called sock-puppetry on A+theism that turned the Boons against Fat Matt, but something else completely...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m44gv ... o1_500.jpg

[ReneeHendricks]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

Actually, I wouldn't put it past her. The victim being hated on thing is a huge part of her persona. I could see this one going either way, really.

It just doesn't smack of a Rebecca Watson kind of thing - to me at any rate. I could be very wrong but it just seems entirely too public and convenient, you know?

[Badger3k]

Oolon (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 300#p19911) says:

Is that why the pitters are so butthurt about being banned?

Ah, there you go again, you deceitful, mendacious piece of dog's dropping. No one here is in any way whatsoever "butthurt" about being banned from FfTB or Skepchick. The point of our focus on banning is and always has been the deplorable hypocrisy and dishonesty, and the palpable reflection of Orwellian social control that is present in the act of banning.

I think it's quite funny. It's all WHAT YOU THINK OTHERWISE... HAH!!! BANNEDDDD!!!! On a place called free thought blogs!!

It's so silly.

I've never been banned, nor have I posted on any of their blogs. I stay away from them and don't visit the blogs ever because I was blacklisted after being seen on the Slymepit, and I truly respect that if they think I'm a threat. I think it's the nice thing to do, to let people have their own little blogs and not feel hassled in their own "space". (I'm really not a threat, by the way - I live millions of miles away from all of them and would avoid them if I ever came near them...)

Millions of miles?

ALIEN !!!!!!

I just was billed $600 US for an anal probe, I don't need another one, so I trust you'll stay away? That's one thing I was butthurt over.... :D

[rayshul]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

Oh, this is fascinating.

SCREENCAPS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN, SAMANTHA.

[Badger3k]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

Actually, I wouldn't put it past her. The victim being hated on thing is a huge part of her persona. I could see this one going either way, really.

It just doesn't smack of a Rebecca Watson kind of thing - to me at any rate. I could be very wrong but it just seems entirely too public and convenient, you know?

It does seem a little convenient - especially after several people expressed that very idea. I think it's just the troll changing tactics.

[rayshul]

Millions of miles?

ALIEN !!!!!!

I just was billed $600 US for an anal probe, I don't need another one, so I trust you'll stay away? That's one thing I was butthurt over.... :D

Oh no, I live on earth, I've just got a really bad sense of direction.

[Rystefn]

I'm banned from both Skepchick and Phawrongula (maybe a lot of FTB, I wouldn't know). Didn't bother me in the slightest, not remotely butthurt. Frankly, the way I got banned by PZ is a source of endless amusement to me. Becca... well, I can't blame her, I'd likely have banned me, too, really.

I just assumed that I've been preemptively banned. I have no desire to post at either place, so I never wasted time to check it out. Since I never want to comment there, why would I feel hurt, assuming I am banned?

I was actually a pretty prolific commenter over at Skepchick, once upon a time. It didn't used to be like it is now (though, looking back, I can see now that it was headed that direction). I got banned at PZ's old place because he posted something very very stupid, and very, very close to my personal life, so I decided to go over and see if maybe I could shine a little light for someone. It was stupidly optimistic of me, but that's always been a part of my personality.

[Rystefn]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

Actually, I wouldn't put it past her. The victim being hated on thing is a huge part of her persona. I could see this one going either way, really.

It just doesn't smack of a Rebecca Watson kind of thing - to me at any rate. I could be very wrong but it just seems entirely too public and convenient, you know?

It does seem a little convenient - especially after several people expressed that very idea. I think it's just the troll changing tactics.

Like I said: neither way would really surprise me... and that says all I need to about my opinion of both of them, I think.

[aeryk]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

Actually, I wouldn't put it past her. The victim being hated on thing is a huge part of her persona. I could see this one going either way, really.

It just doesn't smack of a Rebecca Watson kind of thing - to me at any rate. I could be very wrong but it just seems entirely too public and convenient, you know?

It does seem a little convenient - especially after several people expressed that very idea. I think it's just the troll changing tactics.

Yeah it seems to me that whoever the troll is, they are reading the 'Pit and got the idea here. I wouldn't completely rule out Rebecca but I find it far more likely it's just a common garden variety troll.

[SteveW68]

I don't know if I should laugh or...I don't know. That SamanthaBoal character sending out nasty crap on Twitter to Rebecca Watson and Jennifer McCreight? She's now saying that Rebecca put her up to this. Please. Rebecca may be many things but completely fucking stupid ain't one: https://twitter.com/SamanthaBoal

Actually, I wouldn't put it past her. The victim being hated on thing is a huge part of her persona. I could see this one going either way, really.

It just doesn't smack of a Rebecca Watson kind of thing - to me at any rate. I could be very wrong but it just seems entirely too public and convenient, you know?

IMHO it smacks soooo much of a Watson kinda thing... you forget - she is a professional victim in constant need of drama to blog about.

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/91Hxq.jpg

My hat, obviously...

Oh, and by the way, I suppose I am now a leader once again. Remember when PZ laughed at that prospect? :)

[old post]

http://www.justinvacula.com/2012/07/in- ... myers.html

http://i.imgur.com/xWW6w.jpg

[Al Stefanelli]

After reading that rant about Al I'm beginning to suspect that it wasn't the so-called sock-puppetry on A+theism that turned the Boons against Fat Matt, but something else completely...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m44gv ... o1_500.jpg

Now THAT is funny, I don't care who you are :lol:

[soldierwhy]

I do a lot of survival and primitive skills stuff now. Or, I would be were it not for my fractured heel. I have various Panawal and Chitlange I got in Nepal that I love. So much so that the last person who tried to baton (split wood by hitting the spine of the knife because that fraud Bear Grylls does it) with one was never allowed near it again.

Bear Grylls, the man that can survive on his own urine in the Sahara desert with nothing but a piece of thread and a condom, oh, and an entire film crew, medical staff, runners and a 5 star hotel.

Oh, just to define what I do is based on the idea that you could get lost, trapped by inclimate weather, injured while camping, hiking, climbing, mountain biking etc. A phenomena called Woods Shock which means how goddamn easy it is to get lost, how without visual reference it's impossible for a human to walk in a straight line, people never retrace their steps when they should fascinates me.

I like bopping around the Munros in Scotland, I cry in despair every time some tourist fuckwit dances past me in shorts and sandals. I mean it's Scotland for fuck sake, it's rarely shorts and sandals weather at ground level!

I'm also a total fucking gear hound.

That tends to be a squaddie trait in UK, 'Oh shiney, I'll have that'. I'm based in rural England in a place that's flatter than a billiard table at the moment and opening my top drawer I find about 100 feet of para-cord and some Karabiners, a compass and a mini maglight.

This should not be confused with "survivalists" or "preppers" who are fat delusional fucks who think civilization will collapse from a number of paranoid reasons and fancy that they wouldn't be the first ones killed, eaten and their pockets gone through for loose change.

Known to the British Military community as Walts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty

Unfortunately, I see those people a lot. One meet I was sitting at the fire with a guy discussing whether he should have gold stashed should we go Mad Max. I asked him how he eats gold. Then the conversation moved to having things that would be of real value, like antibiotics or water treatment tablets to trade, just for sake of discussion.

I had a similar conversation with one gentleman, he seemed to believe that all he required was a big fucking gun and he could take whatever he wanted. Of course pointing out that someone with a big fucking gun AND provisions could prevent him doing just that went straight over his head.

Which just goes to show even nuts take constructive criticism better than Atheism Plus pod people.

I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

[John Greg]

Rystefn said:

I was actually a pretty prolific commenter over at Skepchick, once upon a time. It didn't used to be like it is now (though, looking back, I can see now that it was headed that direction).

Yes, that's precisely my experience too. At the time, I guess about three or four years ago, it was actually possible, to some degree, to carry on a legitimate dialogue with differing, even opposing, points of view. Though, as you say, in hindsight it is clear to see the change over time, especially as it manifested in the Skepchicks simply ignoring all of their own stated commenting rules and Watson's overly free hand with banning anyone who she disliked.