Periodic Table of Swearing

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Jan Steen » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:01 pm  •  [Post 21776]

Allow me to borrow your parrot.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Scented Nectar » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:08 pm  •  [Post 21777]

franc wrote:Granita
Granita. Flower of my adolescence, torment of my nights. Will I ever see you again? Granita. Granita. Gran-i-ta. Three syllables, the second and third forming a diminutive, as if contradicting the first. Granita, may I remember you until your image has become a shadow and your abode the grave.

Oh dear, much too romantic/mushy/dependent and just plain talking too much for this old woman. Heheh, next...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Scented Nectar » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:09 pm  •  [Post 21778]

sacha wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:stop sexualificobjectializationing me

hahaha!

Sob! Sometimes I think that no one takes this horrible thought crime seriously.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:22 pm  •  [Post 21779]

Holy shit snacks, Scoobie! My comment went through: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-135639

And here I thought she had me banned :D I stand corrected!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Jan Steen » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:49 pm  •  [Post 21780]

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What is the opposite of hyperskeptical? Hypergullible? Anyone wants to sell a bridge to this person? I haven't been that naive since I was a toddler.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/10/24/wheeee-boom-here-we-go-again/comment-page-1/#comment-478530

This one believes in fairy tales too:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Struth » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:13 pm  •  [Post 21781]

Dick Strawkins wrote:It's interesting to test assertions against the available evidence.

From RW's Slate article:



Becky calls Dawkins "Richard”. Does he use her first name?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:27 pm  •  [Post 21782]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Holy shit snacks, Scoobie! My comment went through: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-135639

And here I thought she had me banned :D I stand corrected!


I think Zvan's plunged to new depths (sewer level depths, you might say) of stupidity with that article. Despite bearing in mind that she's previously tried to equate change with damage, and refers to a certain threat of violence as an 'ambiguous colloquialism', I still remain surprised at the utter idiocy of this article.

Still, in letting two posts through which call her on it, I'm hoping that she's doing so with a view to admitting that she's made a mistake. It's a slender hope, I admit - it's likely she let them pass moderation (presuming the post from explody was in moderation) because she's got just the right half-baked sophistry brewing to 'counter' these points.

Zvan is just a fuckin spare udder. I don't know what that means exactly, but sometimes invective just comes out of it's own accord when one of FCs gets my goat.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby sacha » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:41 pm  •  [Post 21783]

Outwest wrote:
*snip*

But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism



believing in sexism is irrational. love this
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:54 pm  •  [Post 21784]

Fuckin stupid fuckin Benson is being stupid again: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-320111

Ophelia Benson says:
October 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm

@ 93 – no, you’re wrong. Disproportionate obsessive hatred of a woman can be misogyny, or be a marker of misogyny.

I’ve put you in moderation; your comments don’t appear unless I approve them. Yes there’s a particular reason.


Hatred - disproportionate and obsessive or otherwise - of Islam can be a marker of racism.

You've been criticising Islam a lot recently, haven't you Prune.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Al Stefanelli » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:56 pm  •  [Post 21785]

Michael K Gray wrote:Dictionary - An evil rape manual written by the Elders of the Patriarchy. All of its entries are wrong, except where we agree with them, but we won't tell you what they are because they change like a whore's knickers, depending on what lie we are trying push at any time.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Outwest » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:03 pm  •  [Post 21786]

sacha wrote:
Outwest wrote:
*snip*

But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism



believing in sexism is irrational. love this


First of all, may we agree that being an atheist does not necessarily mean that a person is rational in any or all aspects of their life. Hopefully, those that come to the realization that there are no gods, well, they've become skeptics first, then over time, they will come to understand that many of the things they once thought were true, are not.

That being said, are there sexists atheists? Probably. Are there racist atheists? I have no doubt there are. But in both of these cited, from my interactions personally and online, I believe this to be a very small percentage of the atheist community. And for people like Jen and Rebecca, and, (ugghh!) Ophelia and Stephie-poo( thanks Renee) to (i first wrote imply, but that is wrong) say that sexism is a major issue in the skeptical/atheist community is an affront to the vast majority of us that battle all of the social inequities on a daily basis.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Michael K Gray » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:09 pm  •  [Post 21787]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Outwest wrote:Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?[/b]
... they live in the United States...

...And this is what is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. Stupid ass UScentric ignorant fuck!

As this cretinous, thoughtless, telling, astonishingly fucking ignorant, enraging Septic Tank-centric bullshit get on my tits as well, I refer you to two entries in the Angels' Glossary:

Amerocentrism
- You mean there are places other than the mighty USA??
I must learn to read one day. But not now. I just got another AWESOME Tweet from someone who is slightly famous! Swoon!

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- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:10 pm  •  [Post 21788]

In other news, and since the subject of the thing-that-used-to-be-called-PMS-but-is-now-a-myth:

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/2 ... ens-votes/
Post removed: Study looks at voting and hormones

A post previously published in this space regarding a study about how hormones may influence voting choices has been removed.

After further review it was determined that some elements of the story did not meet the editorial standards of CNN.

We thank you for your comments and feedback.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:10 pm  •  [Post 21789]

Tigzy wrote:Fuckin stupid fuckin Benson is being stupid again: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-320111

Ophelia Benson says:
October 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm

@ 93 – no, you’re wrong. Disproportionate obsessive hatred of a woman can be misogyny, or be a marker of misogyny.

I’ve put you in moderation; your comments don’t appear unless I approve them. Yes there’s a particular reason.


Hatred - disproportionate and obsessive or otherwise - of Islam can be a marker of racism.

You've been criticising Islam a lot recently, haven't you Prune.


Underline mine. I'd be very curious to know how one would come to such a conclusion. (note: you said "can", not "is", so I might just be nitpicking.)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:13 pm  •  [Post 21790]

LMAO here. Ok, so Mandy Caruso's "ordeal" is out there for all to see. As well as the costume she wore. While there isn't a body length picture to peruse, the comic book character she portrayed gives you enough of an idea (super heroine Black Cat, for those not in the know). So, on Facebook in the Anti-Atheism+ area, a bit of a discussion has gone on about her *very public and oh-so-face-putting" tirade on how she was sexually harassed.

Now, I read the article before it was placed withing this FB area. I chalked it up to a woman who wants to be a famous fashion designer working an angle to get her name out there. And she succeeded fairly well. One Sergio Dominguez decided to go on and on comparing it to "Muslim rape" (I shit you not). So, I put out there a costume I wore about 2-3 years ago:

Image - his response???

He said that it was appropriate for a porn convention. Honestly. Now, let's take a look...

Image - comic con
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I've been to one or two porn cons (I used to work for an adult toy store and was interested) and they wear about the same and often a bit more.

Sorry. Had to share the hypocrisy and do a bit of public head shaking :D
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:14 pm  •  [Post 21791]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Fuckin stupid fuckin Benson is being stupid again: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-320111

Ophelia Benson says:
October 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm

@ 93 – no, you’re wrong. Disproportionate obsessive hatred of a woman can be misogyny, or be a marker of misogyny.

I’ve put you in moderation; your comments don’t appear unless I approve them. Yes there’s a particular reason.


Hatred - disproportionate and obsessive or otherwise - of Islam can be a marker of racism.

You've been criticising Islam a lot recently, haven't you Prune.


Underline mine. I'd be very curious to know how one would come to such a conclusion. (note: you said "can", not "is", so I might just be nitpicking.)


As far as I know OB is the authority on the subject so you should ask her.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:24 pm  •  [Post 21792]

Michael K Gray wrote:World, the
- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)

Looking to piss off the Canucks, eh?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:30 pm  •  [Post 21793]

BTW, I put that out there as I assume that will be the next FfTB topic to pop up.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Michael K Gray » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:31 pm  •  [Post 21794]

Outwest wrote:First of all, may we agree that being an atheist does not necessarily mean that a person is rational in any or all aspects of their life.

Exactly correct.
Outwest wrote:Hopefully<sic>, those that come to the realization that there are no gods, well, they've become skeptics first, then over time, they will come to understand that many of the things they once thought were true, are not.

Arrggg!!! Exactly INCORRECT!
More damn parochial assumptions! (You wouldn't be a US resident, I take it?)
Most folk on the planet, are lifelong atheists, by definition.
They never have to "come to the realization that there are no gods" because they were never infected by that criminal meme in the first place.
And for the "they've become skeptics first", well: NO.
Just NO. Look at the Chinese, as an example.
More nominal life-long atheists than in 2000x USAs. Yet they are rarely skeptical, given the profound and endemic socialised superstition that pervades every aspect of life.

You lot need constant reminders that there are billions of atheists in China and India who do not conform to your parochial generalisations one iota.

(Now you know Phil's & my Kryptonite: Blather as though the USA==The Whole World)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Couch » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:34 pm  •  [Post 21795]

I was speaking to a mainstream print journo friend yesterday (works for rupert) and she told me it hadn't escaped their attention that any opinion pieces touching on sexual poilitics will get heaps of traffic. She knew about 'yesterday's piece' in Slate, but was unaware of the backstory and hadn't heard of the author.

Anyway, as if on cue, there is this piece today in the main broadsheet daily in this part of the world:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... 28837.html

I LOVE this comment 11-eight!:
As a man with a small penis. How dare you use my physical appearance as the butt of your insult.

Just like the NSW government who used having a small penis in a derogatory way as an acceptable insult for people who are speeding.

You are no better than the misogynist man you have ever encountered.

To use your own eloquent words... F___ you

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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... z2AMJk65pq

This part:
Just like the NSW government who used having a small penis in a derogatory way as an acceptable insult for people who are speeding.

is a reference to this:
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/rai ... le-finger/
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Michael K Gray » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:35 pm  •  [Post 21796]

Lsuoma wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:World, the
- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)

Looking to piss off the Canucks, eh?

Oops!
Ta. Now changed to "Continental USA..."
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:40 pm  •  [Post 21797]

Couch wrote:I was speaking to a mainstream print journo friend yesterday (works for rupert) and she told me it hadn't escaped their attention that any opinion pieces touching on sexual poilitics will get heaps of traffic. She knew about 'yesterday's piece' in Slate, but was unaware of the backstory and hadn't heard of the author.

Anyway, as if on cue, there is this piece today in the main broadsheet daily in this part of the world:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... 28837.html


That article was awesome all by itself. Just sayin' :D As a woman who isn't a size 4 (and never will be unless I get cancer or develop some eating disorder), that bit made me laugh my ass off! Yes, I fluctuate from a size 10 to a size 12. I'm 5'6", medium build, have hips that were just fucking built to have children and a rather large chest thanks to years of swimming and a broad back. I *love* women who aren't toothpicks and who love the way they are. The caveat is if you get to an *unhealthy* weight then I'm not so on board. Anyway, thanks for sharing!!!!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:42 pm  •  [Post 21798]

That QED conference is shaping up nicely.

Oh, and Ophelia, it would be fantastic if you were not invited.

On that Slate thread, some wankstain claimed Rebecca has made Dawkins persona non grata. That got me scratching my head.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby mikelf » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:42 pm  •  [Post 21799]

Outwest wrote:
Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?
I think, for some people, atheism is the one minority identity they have. They’re not gay, they’re not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher. Being an “atheist” is the one thing that they take on as their cause, and they think it’s the most important because it’s the only one that affects them. It puts their priorities out of order a little bit. Once you’ve figured out God doesn’t exist, that’s great! But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism.


The bolding in the middle of the answer is mine. So, if all you are is an atheist, your priorities are out of order? Note also how we're all apparently white, midlle-class or above. Is this woman that dimwitted?


Bless her little ole heart, but she isn't a deep thinker, is she? She starts out well enough, but goes off the rails when she says that when people take on godlessness as their cause, it puts their priorities out of order. It may puts people's priorities out of order relative to hers, but she incorrectly assumes that everyone must conform their priority to what she thinks is important.

But, the poor dear just can't stop there. After she incorrectly assumes a Jen-centric solar system, she makes the leap from "people don't share my priorities" to "people who don't share my priorities oppose them."
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby papillon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:46 pm  •  [Post 21800]

Jan Steen wrote:I'm skeptical about this claim. Is Amy Roth really that stupid? Did she actually move because her home address, which anyone could have found easily with Google, was posted on a forum


Maybe you're thinking of Stephunny Svan being moved from her house?

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:50 pm  •  [Post 21801]

WoolyBumblebee wrote:*Runs in, throws video on thread, runs out*



Ophi and Stefunny should see it quicker if I post it here ;P LOL!

ENJOY! :dance:


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:52 pm  •  [Post 21802]



Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:54 pm  •  [Post 21803]

For the sake of objectivity I'll be the devil's advocate here. I think hers is a case of bad 'mind-keyboard interfacing':
Stephanie Zvan wrote:An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways. When a pregnancy follows a rape, it is an extension of the betrayal and the trauma of the rape itself. Any individual victim may decide for their own reasons that they want to carry that pregnancy to term, but none of them should ever be pressured to do so, much less forced. (emphases mine)

Looking at her train of thought to me it seems she was talking about forced continuation of pregnancy from rape, even though that's not exactly what she wrote.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby DownThunder » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:58 pm  •  [Post 21804]

welch wrote:Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.


Fecophelia Benson?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:59 pm  •  [Post 21805]

papillon wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hmm. Mykeru is compared to Bill O'Reilly and Howard Stern. Bit of an odd stretch there:
"Rage style". Hey, I'm not the one pissed off by a joke,sugar vinegar fried egg-tits.

Just tinkered with that for ya.


Fixed it better
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby justinvacula » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:04 pm  •  [Post 21806]

welch wrote:


Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.


Vacuous shitbag troll here reporting for duty!

Perhaps soon Opehlia will just start telling 'aristocrat jokes' on her blog...or maybe fellow pitters will :p
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Outwest » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:12 pm  •  [Post 21807]

Michael K Gray wrote:
Outwest wrote:First of all, may we agree that being an atheist does not necessarily mean that a person is rational in any or all aspects of their life.

Exactly correct.
Outwest wrote:Hopefully<sic>, those that come to the realization that there are no gods, well, they've become skeptics first, then over time, they will come to understand that many of the things they once thought were true, are not.

Arrggg!!! Exactly INCORRECT!
More damn parochial assumptions! (You wouldn't be a US resident, I take it?)
Most folk on the planet, are lifelong atheists, by definition.
They never have to "come to the realization that there are no gods" because they were never infected by that criminal meme in the first place.
And for the "they've become skeptics first", well: NO.
Just NO. Look at the Chinese, as an example.
More nominal life-long atheists than in 2000x USAs. Yet they are rarely skeptical, given the profound and endemic socialised superstition that pervades every aspect of life.

You lot need constant reminders that there are billions of atheists in China and India who do not conform to your parochial generalisations one iota.

(Now you know Phil's & my Kryptonite: Blather as though the USA==The Whole World)


Really? So what I've said is totally inappropriate ? What you are stating

is entirely inconsistent with fucking reality.
Get a grip, would you?

The Chinese? Now you have to know to whom you are addressing. I spent 3 months China on business. The Chinese are some what religious. But its a minority. I've also spent time in India.although the people of India are very religious, there are many there that do not buy I to their traditions. Stating there are " billions" in both those countries that are atheist is entirely incorrect.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby justinvacula » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:13 pm  •  [Post 21808]

For somelike like Ophelia with a background in philosophy (correct me if I am wrong), I am disapppointed to see Ophelia not understand distinctions between 'entrenched prejudice' and 'hatred.' It is really nothing new, though, as they conflate so many terms and assign motives to people on the internet with no good reason to do so (watson is especially a frequent offender).

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -misogyny/

Responses and criticism are 'stalking' and 'cyberstalking.' Disagreement is 'sexism' and 'misogyny.' Expressing skepticism is translated to 'invalidating experience,' 'gaslighting,' and 'insisting women are liars.' Trolling is 'abuse.' 'I hope you x' is a 'threat.' Over-the-top emails sent to Ophelia concerning TAM are 'threats.' Disagreement is 'not caring about women.' Asking for clarification is 'jaqing off' and 'trolling.'
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Michael K Gray wrote:
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- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)

Looking to piss off the Canucks, eh?

Oops!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:17 pm  •  [Post 21810]

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welch wrote:Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.


Fecophelia Benson?


Fecophilia? Fecophagia?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby justinvacula » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:18 pm  •  [Post 21811]

Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:19 pm  •  [Post 21812]

Guest wrote:For the sake of objectivity I'll be the devil's advocate here. I think hers is a case of bad 'mind-keyboard interfacing':
Stephanie Zvan wrote:An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways. When a pregnancy follows a rape, it is an extension of the betrayal and the trauma of the rape itself. Any individual victim may decide for their own reasons that they want to carry that pregnancy to term, but none of them should ever be pressured to do so, much less forced. (emphases mine)

Looking at her train of thought to me it seems she was talking about forced continuation of pregnancy from rape, even though that's not exactly what she wrote.


It isn't. Especially since before that she states:

Stephanie Zvan wrote:Yes, an unwanted pregnancy has many commonalities with rape.


Which isn't the same train of thought.
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Postby Lsuoma » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:21 pm  •  [Post 21813]

justinvacula wrote:Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.

Wouldn't work anyway, assuming that my assumption that you sport a todger is correct. Bzzzzt! No allowed!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:23 pm  •  [Post 21814]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Ok, I can't stand it. I was just going to leave this alone because I have the feeling that not many will agree with me. But Asshat-Szvan's latest bit has a line in it (actually, twice but stated differently) that is bothering the shit out of me:

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways.


No. No, it's not. It is not a violent sexual assault upon your body and mental well-being. It's simply unwanted. To me, it's like night and day. Or perhaps I'm just letting my extreme distaste of Szvan color my perception. Either way, that line just bothers the shit out of me.


No, I agree, it's trivializing rape. Unwanted pregnancies are a lot of things, but "like rape" is not on that list, ( unless of course, it is caused BY rape. In that kind of case, and only that kind of case, I could agree)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:28 pm  •  [Post 21815]

justinvacula wrote:Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.


It is a lovely thought though, isn't it?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:44 pm  •  [Post 21816]

justinvacula wrote:Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.


Not just Slate now, but Jezebel too.

I bet in a year's time there will be still be articles lamenting the time someone was once asked for coffee by someone they didn't fancy.

In other unrelated news, for anyone interested, I just blote a wrog post: http://skepticink.com/notung/2012/10/26/what-is-freedom-of-expression-iv-coverage/

Soon I'll write about Chris Stedman's excerpt I think. I'm going to be accommodationist about accommodationists.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:45 pm  •  [Post 21817]

justinvacula wrote:Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.

If only that could ever work. :lol: But feminism is what sells. What you would have to instead would be try to argue that they are actually anti-Women in disguise (in truthfulness at least it seems they don't really care about women's rights unless it fits their personal agenda).

ReneeHendricks wrote:It isn't. Especially since before that she states:
Stephanie Zvan wrote:Yes, an unwanted pregnancy has many commonalities with rape.


Which isn't the same train of thought.

Conceded. That phrase is hard to defend.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:53 pm  •  [Post 21818]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:53 pm  •  [Post 21819]

Lsuoma wrote:
DownThunder wrote:
welch wrote:Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.


Fecophelia Benson?


Fecophilia? Fecophagia?


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:05 pm  •  [Post 21821]

[quote="Notung"]
In other unrelated news, for anyone interested, I just blote a wrog post: http://skepticink.com/notung/2012/10/26/what-is-freedom-of-expression-iv-coverage/

LOL I didn't realize that was you and posted it out again :D Fantastic bit!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:13 pm  •  [Post 21822]

Ok...that wasn't the same person. Sigh. I'm done linking. Clearly I'm having issues tonight.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Notung » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:17 pm  •  [Post 21823]

Hehe! They were both written by some strange person named 'Skeptic Ink'.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:26 pm  •  [Post 21824]

WRT the "face blindness" excuse for not recognizing Elevator Guy - I think it's important to reiterate that Watson claimed to have transient prosopagnosia. Several types of prosopagnosia (developmental, associative, etc.) have been described, but "transient" is not one of them. I suppose it's formally possible that alcohol intoxication could selectively affect the fusiform gyrus, yet leave the ability to remember the elevator conversation completely intact.

But I doubt it.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:34 pm  •  [Post 21825]

Guest wrote:For the sake of objectivity I'll be the devil's advocate here. I think hers is a case of bad 'mind-keyboard interfacing':
Stephanie Zvan wrote:An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways. When a pregnancy follows a rape, it is an extension of the betrayal and the trauma of the rape itself. Any individual victim may decide for their own reasons that they want to carry that pregnancy to term, but none of them should ever be pressured to do so, much less forced. (emphases mine)

Looking at her train of thought to me it seems she was talking about forced continuation of pregnancy from rape, even though that's not exactly what she wrote.


My bold. It's nothing like what she wrote. And certainly not what she meant. Examine her history and you will see clearly: she believes that an unwanted pregnancy arising from not-non-consensual sex, is very much like rape. No matter that the woman was a willing participant in the shenanigans that led to the awful, unbearable horror of growing a tiny person in her tummy; all sex is rape when you're crazy as a cunt, like Stephany.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:35 pm  •  [Post 21826]

God, I just thought some more about what Stephany said, and it really made me angry. What a vicious cunt she is. Bleurgh.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:38 pm  •  [Post 21827]

Notung wrote:Hehe! They were both written by some strange person named 'Skeptic Ink'.


Argh! I was thrown off by different article names. Really...after a certain time at night, I just need to step away from the linking.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:49 pm  •  [Post 21828]

BarnOwl wrote:WRT the "face blindness" excuse for not recognizing Elevator Guy - I think it's important to reiterate that Watson claimed to have transient prosopagnosia. Several types of prosopagnosia (developmental, associative, etc.) have been described, but "transient" is not one of them. I suppose it's formally possible that alcohol intoxication could selectively affect the fusiform gyrus, yet leave the ability to remember the elevator conversation completely intact.

But I doubt it.

I think it's probably a lesser-known version, Convenient Prosopagnosia. Or possibly Prosopagnosia by Proxy.

Or perhaps she didn't remember the face 'cause he was actually taking her up the council...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:20 pm  •  [Post 21829]

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Guest wrote:For the sake of objectivity I'll be the devil's advocate here. I think hers is a case of bad 'mind-keyboard interfacing':
Stephanie Zvan wrote:An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways. When a pregnancy follows a rape, it is an extension of the betrayal and the trauma of the rape itself. Any individual victim may decide for their own reasons that they want to carry that pregnancy to term, but none of them should ever be pressured to do so, much less forced. (emphases mine)

Looking at her train of thought to me it seems she was talking about forced continuation of pregnancy from rape, even though that's not exactly what she wrote.


My bold. It's nothing like what she wrote. And certainly not what she meant. Examine her history and you will see clearly: she believes that an unwanted pregnancy arising from not-non-consensual sex, is very much like rape. No matter that the woman was a willing participant in the shenanigans that led to the awful, unbearable horror of growing a tiny person in her tummy; all sex is rape when you're crazy as a cunt, like Stephany.


If I understand this correctly .... trying to parse out this postulated sex (or turkey baster) leading to preggers-is-a-form-of-rape and thus presumeably when she willingly participitated in the sex (or turkey basting), leading to this form of rape she was indulging in some sort of self-abuse and/or raping herself?

Oh never mind this is too convoluted for me to follow at this point in time.. ... look someone send the woman a vibrator OK?

There. Problem solved. All she has to worry about now is growing hair on her palm (or is that a myth also? Or is it something only men get from masturbation? Or do women have to worry about this at all?)

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:23 pm  •  [Post 21830]

Becky Whatnot is on a Skeptic's roadtrip with the respected documentariatist Jon Ronson. I fear she is gaining traction in the mainstream. She obviously sees it the same way, as she is really hitting the "science" thing hard in her recent public pronouncements.

Her latest post, which I think is an attempt at a hilarious parody of Newsweek's article on near-death experiences, is a good example.

It begins, almost (2nd sentence):
I’ve long been interested in science and critical thinking.

Which pushes me to ask "so why did you do a marketing degree instead of a hard science one?".

The last paragraph has the sentence:
I’ve spent years as a skeptic and a believer in science

Which pushes me to ask "so why can you never provide evidence for the accusations you spew?".

Anyway, it's not funny, but it does show that she is preparing to inveigle her way into some nice paying jobs in the media. A page search for "scie*" gives 8 hits. Be warned, she is overstating her credentials to credulous media people, and she is doing it very well. Expect to see her continue to rise, and to see a lot more of her, including on your tellyvis screens. You heard it here...first?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:25 pm  •  [Post 21831]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:03 pm  •  [Post 21832]

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Anyway, it's not funny, but it does show that she is preparing to inveigle her way into some nice paying jobs in the media. A page search for "scie*" gives 8 hits. Be warned, she is overstating her credentials to credulous media people, and she is doing it very well. Expect to see her continue to rise, and to see a lot more of her, including on your tellyvis screens. You heard it here...first?

Sweet! Lots of paying gigs for the regulars here to prove what a lying, duplicitous, incompetent, self-centered, vacuous cunt she is.

Oh, wait, she'll be a cash cow for credulous MSM producers, right? Well, forget it then.

We can still laugh at her...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:20 pm  •  [Post 21834]

Jan Steen wrote:
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:21 pm  •  [Post 21835]

welch wrote:


Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.

I think she does her thinking with her lower half. With her between that and her cunt-kick fetish, you have to wonder.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:25 pm  •  [Post 21836]

welch wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Ok, I can't stand it. I was just going to leave this alone because I have the feeling that not many will agree with me. But Asshat-Szvan's latest bit has a line in it (actually, twice but stated differently) that is bothering the shit out of me:

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways.


No. No, it's not. It is not a violent sexual assault upon your body and mental well-being. It's simply unwanted. To me, it's like night and day. Or perhaps I'm just letting my extreme distaste of Szvan color my perception. Either way, that line just bothers the shit out of me.


No, I agree, it's trivializing rape. Unwanted pregnancies are a lot of things, but "like rape" is not on that list, ( unless of course, it is caused BY rape. In that kind of case, and only that kind of case, I could agree)


I repeated her quote to my partner, and she was as WTF as I was. This is after all the shit stirred by the repubs here - the latest by that murdoch prick - that rape is part of "god's plan"...blargh! They do share the same "trivializing rape" bit, just from opposite ends.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:26 pm  •  [Post 21837]

Have you ever noticed most of the posters over at Skepchick are men. White men, as well. The horror!!!

Does this mean Rebecca Watson is a racist? Oh, wait a second, I've just suffered a bout of Baboonitis.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:28 pm  •  [Post 21838]

Indeed. Opheliar doth protest a lot about cunts and shit.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:31 pm  •  [Post 21839]

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Anyway, it's not funny, but it does show that she is preparing to inveigle her way into some nice paying jobs in the media. A page search for "scie*" gives 8 hits. Be warned, she is overstating her credentials to credulous media people, and she is doing it very well. Expect to see her continue to rise, and to see a lot more of her, including on your tellyvis screens. You heard it here...first?


As if we don't have enough loonies on the tube already. Maybe they can put her and Deepak on the same show - we can get BS from both ends of the spectrum. Although there is a possible good angle to that - she might end up leaving the podcasting business and become one of the vacuous talking heads that are ignored by saner people. Or else she'll get on some national stage, get hammered by real skeptics, and end up a blubbering mess. However, I can see her getting her own reality show. After all, if Jersey Shore and Honey Boo-Boo can make it, skepticisms Paris Hilton can't do worse.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby rayshul » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:37 pm  •  [Post 21840]

Outwest wrote:
Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?
I think, for some people, atheism is the one minority identity they have. They’re not gay, they’re not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher. Being an “atheist” is the one thing that they take on as their cause, and they think it’s the most important because it’s the only one that affects them. It puts their priorities out of order a little bit. Once you’ve figured out God doesn’t exist, that’s great! But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism.


The bolding in the middle of the answer is mine. So, if all you are is an atheist, your priorities are out of order? Note also how we're all apparently white, midlle-class or above. Is this woman that dimwitted?


Fair play to the woman, her belief in "sexism" is irrational.
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