Periodic Table of Swearing

[Scented Nectar]

As a woman who is getting long in the tooth (turning 50 next month), what you say alarms me. I no longer feel safe at conferences. Uncontrolled grannyphiles everywhere. Stop looking at my grey hair, damn you raving lunatics!!!!! I need to go blog or vlog now, and tell guys not to do that, to stop sexualificobjectializationing me. Now for a pretend flounce cuz I'm. just. that. upset.

*sniff, and peek to see I've gotten any sympathy yet*

I am going to point out the obvious. You are far more likely to get objectified and sexualized by the likes of me than the walking prune or Watson.

I will expand this a bit further. If I drop a pen in front of the three of you and while picking it up I get goosed, depending on who did it, it is either flirting or sexual harassment and criminal assault.

Same act by different people has different outcomes.

*shrug* Hypocrisy I know, but life can be so unfair.

What if it's an awkward case of the Orient Express where we ALL did the deed?

Just kidding. I need to be pretty sure that it won't be minded before I do any goosing or anything else'ing of anyone. I will sneak a look at your ass though, I mean, I'm only human. I'll stop there, or we'll have to go to the sex thread.

I am willing to bet that if Twatson had been groped by Dawkins, Elevatorgate would never have happened. Instead, she made up a story about being still being sexually attractive, and her hero mocked her.

Well, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. etc. etc. and the rest is history.

Imagine even further, if poor Dawkins got a "yes" from Watson. Talk about next day regret. I think he'd have it!

[Outwest]

Ok, I can't stand it. I was just going to leave this alone because I have the feeling that not many will agree with me. But Asshat-Szvan's latest bit has a line in it (actually, twice but stated differently) that is bothering the shit out of me:

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways.

No. No, it's not. It is not a violent sexual assault upon your body and mental well-being. It's simply unwanted. To me, it's like night and day. Or perhaps I'm just letting my extreme distaste of Szvan color my perception. Either way, that line just bothers the shit out of me.

Okay, I'm confused (not out of the ordinary for me ) But how is an unwanted pregnancy in any way like rape? Is this another redefinition that the FfTB'ers do all the time? This is just plain stupid. She should be embarrassed for making such an idiotic statement.

[Scented Nectar]

Ok, I can't stand it. I was just going to leave this alone because I have the feeling that not many will agree with me. But Asshat-Szvan's latest bit has a line in it (actually, twice but stated differently) that is bothering the shit out of me:

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways.

No. No, it's not. It is not a violent sexual assault upon your body and mental well-being. It's simply unwanted. To me, it's like night and day. Or perhaps I'm just letting my extreme distaste of Szvan color my perception. Either way, that line just bothers the shit out of me.

They end up away taking the attention away from REAL rapes, by acting as though all kinds of non-rapes are rapes or at least all rapey. They want rape cred for everything, since that's the most effective emotional appeal: anything to do with rape gets them sympathy and care.

[JackRayner]

Ok, I can't stand it. I was just going to leave this alone because I have the feeling that not many will agree with me. But Asshat-Szvan's latest bit has a line in it (actually, twice but stated differently) that is bothering the shit out of me:

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways.

No. No, it's not. It is not a violent sexual assault upon your body and mental well-being. It's simply unwanted. To me, it's like night and day. Or perhaps I'm just letting my extreme distaste of Szvan color my perception. Either way, that line just bothers the shit out of me.

Okay, I'm confused (not out of the ordinary for me ) But how is an unwanted pregnancy in any way like rape? Is this another redefinition that the FfTB'ers do all the time? This is just plain stupid. She should be embarrassed for making such an idiotic statement.

Because each is unwanted? But if that doesn't work, shouting Patriarchy® works too!


[I wonder what she would say to someone stating that having to pay child support for unwanted progeny is similar to rape in a lot of ways. ]

[Rystefn]

[I wonder what she would say to someone stating that having to pay child support for unwanted progeny is similar to rape in a lot of ways. ]

Considering how they respond to someone saying that there's no argument in favor of legal abortions that can't be used against child support, I can only imagine the hysteria that would follow comparing it to rape. How dare you compare something that happens to men to something that happens to women! It's not about you!

But yeah, the fucking rape-flation some people like to indulge in makes me want to beat my head against the wall. Anything bad that happens to a woman (a woman on our side, I mean) is basically rape... but don't you dare use a rape metaphor when you're talking about sports or video games, because those are things that men do to have fun (like rape) and only women can possibly understand what rape is... or something.

[sacha]

Sex or companionship? How could anyone listen to someone like RW for 12 hours and want anything other than the release of death?

Perhaps the military should use her for torture.

clockwork.jpg

where is Real Horrorshow?

[Dilurk]

I must say, noelplum99 is one of my favourite commentators on all of this. He has a kind of 'from the outside looking in' feel to his expressions and opinions and it's quite refreshing. It's like picking an intelligent person in a British street and saying 'what do you think of all this?'. I say British because I get the feeling that a lot of this 'privilege', SJW, etc. stuff comes from other continents. I've literally never come across it in real life over here.

As an european outsider who has been following this ongoing petty (but often hilarious and entertaining) drama for some time, I have always felt that this Elevatorgate kerfuffle might be "only in America" kind of thing. I don't know why but maybe it spawned from the same mentality that made Janet Jackson's Nipplegate such a calamity.

I think I can speak for the other Canadians here when I say I was quite amused at Nipplegate as well. It's just a breast nothing more than you'd see when a mother breast feeds. You USAians are silly.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I must say, noelplum99 is one of my favourite commentators on all of this. He has a kind of 'from the outside looking in' feel to his expressions and opinions and it's quite refreshing. It's like picking an intelligent person in a British street and saying 'what do you think of all this?'. I say British because I get the feeling that a lot of this 'privilege', SJW, etc. stuff comes from other continents. I've literally never come across it in real life over here.

As an european outsider who has been following this ongoing petty (but often hilarious and entertaining) drama for some time, I have always felt that this Elevatorgate kerfuffle might be "only in America" kind of thing. I don't know why but maybe it spawned from the same mentality that made Janet Jackson's Nipplegate such a calamity.

I think I can speak for the other Canadians here when I say I was quite amused at Nipplegate as well. It's just a breast nothing more than you'd see when a mother breast feeds. You USAians are silly.

Don't even get me started on the French Riviera beaches...

[franc]

DNA unravelling into raw amino acids? Is this some new form of DNA I haven't heard of before?

Oh look. Tristan posts flame bait. Forgets to be logged in as "guest".

[franc]

Yay!!! - See "THIS^^!!, So MUCH!!" childish AOLer pantywetting tree-house mindless groupthink. That the commenter was not able to come up with the previous load of vacuous tripe is nothing to be proud of, in the brain-box department.[/i]

Nice. A graphic for this entry -

[MichaelJ]

Just popped in to alert y'all to a post today by Ed Brayton- http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/ ... -thinking/ (apologies if this is already discussed up thread).

Here's a snippet;

I would submit that we do much the same thing when evaluating ideas, claims and arguments. If we hear those ideas expressed by someone we have already determined that we agree with, we are much more likely to agree with them without actually thinking about it. Conversely, if we hear those ideas expressed by someone we disagree with, we are much more likely to reject them out of hand, without giving them any due consideration. This is why what I often call the argumentum ad labelum is so common — it’s a means of dismissing a claim or argument rather than engaging it.

He then goes on to say

...being relatively more rational than someone who is highly irrational does not mean that we are avoiding the kinds of easy, tribalistic thinking noted above that undermine our ability to think critically, especially on issues that we are passionate about. None of us can avoid them entirely, I imagine, but as rationalists and skeptics we should try our best to cultivate habits of thinking that help us avoid them as much as possible. And when someone points them out to us, we should react reasonably rather than defensively.

So Ed is lamenting (other) people rejecting the arguments of others simply because of who the arguer is. Coming as it does from a FTB, can anyone here spot the hypocrisy?

I tend to view this as a positive. Perhaps he is realising just how counterproductive the argumentum ad labelum engaged in by FTB and A+ commenters, not to mention a few Slyme Pitters now and again, is when it comes to trying to have a rational discussion. Of course he can't come right out and say "check your prejudices and listen, not everyone who disagrees is a misogynist", or the rabid beast that is the FTB comment-collective will turn on him and things could get ugly. If people listen, it could be a step forward. And a few of those are certainly needed.

Of course, I'm applying my own filters to it. He could simply be talking in general and still believe that anyone who posts here is a cunt-kicking breast-chewing misogynist.

Except when defending FTB against people who have left, he has been pretty silent on the whole argument. I'd say that this is more a dig at the A+ers.

[windy]

Ophelia Benson writes"But after a few years of blogging, podcasting, and speaking at skeptics’ conferences, I began to get emails from strangers who detailed their sexual fantasies about me. I was occasionally grabbed and groped without consent at events"

???????? this shocks me. i thought the problem was misogyny and sexism, when its obvious that the sceptic community has a problem with a bunch of raving lunatics running around degrading themselfs by hitting on old dried up spinsters. this need to be adressed. these poor people needs psychological help if they are so batshit crazy that they are having sexual fantasys about Ophelia Benson.

Bad form ray, that's her quoting Watson! Now you got the resident grannies and spinsters all excited for nothing.

[Scented Nectar]

Ophelia Benson writes"But after a few years of blogging, podcasting, and speaking at skeptics’ conferences, I began to get emails from strangers who detailed their sexual fantasies about me. I was occasionally grabbed and groped without consent at events"

???????? this shocks me. i thought the problem was misogyny and sexism, when its obvious that the sceptic community has a problem with a bunch of raving lunatics running around degrading themselfs by hitting on old dried up spinsters. this need to be adressed. these poor people needs psychological help if they are so batshit crazy that they are having sexual fantasys about Ophelia Benson.

Bad form ray, that's her quoting Watson! Now you got the resident grannies and spinsters all excited for nothing.

Damn! So they're not after granny-aged types like me after all, but instead, the middle-aged crazies with pink or blue hair and who hallucinate elevator people.

[Skeeve]

I had to post this before catching up on today's posts.


TRIGGER WARNING: VERY LARGE MCCREIGHT FACE
http://www.vice.com/read/atheism-sexismatheism-00003000-v19n10

Atheism - Sexism = Atheism +

Being an atheist is a hassle, but being a lady atheist can be the pits. Not only do you have to deal with Christians saying you’re going to hell all the time, your beliefs will undoubtedly put you in close proximity with “enlightened” male unbelievers who will unabashedly hit on you and maybe even make rape jokes because, well, there’s no God to punish them. Atheist blogger Jennifer McCreight became well versed in godless misogyny when in 2010 she devised a stunt called “Boobquake” via her blog that called on women to dress immodestly for a designated day (April 26) in response to Iranian cleric Hojatoleslam Kazem Seddiqi’s claim that things like female cleavage and bare legs cause earthquakes. Of course, Boobquake went viral. The unfortunate by-product was that Jennifer’s instant internet fame resulted in a deluge of hateful, misogynistic emails from fellow nonbelievers.

This is followed by four questions answered by JenJen.

[franc]

???????? this shocks me. i thought the problem was misogyny and sexism, when its obvious that the sceptic community has a problem with a bunch of raving lunatics running around degrading themselfs by hitting on old dried up spinsters. this need to be adressed. these poor people needs psychological help if they are so batshit crazy that they are having sexual fantasys about Ophelia Benson.

As a woman who is getting long in the tooth (turning 50 next month), what you say alarms me. I no longer feel safe at conferences. Uncontrolled grannyphiles everywhere. Stop looking at my grey hair, damn you raving lunatics!!!!! I need to go blog or vlog now, and tell guys not to do that, to stop sexualificobjectializationing me. Now for a pretend flounce cuz I'm. just. that. upset.

*sniff, and peek to see I've gotten any sympathy yet*

Granita

Granita. Flower of my adolescence, torment of my nights. Will I ever see you again? Granita. Granita. Gran-i-ta. Three syllables, the second and third forming a diminutive, as if contradicting the first. Granita, may I remember you until your image has become a shadow and your abode the grave.

Only really funny to groupies of Nabokov's masterwork.

[ReneeHendricks]

Sex or companionship? How could anyone listen to someone like RW for 12 hours and want anything other than the release of death?

Perhaps the military should use her for torture.

clockwork.jpg

where is Real Horrorshow?

Oh. You.are.my.hero. My most favorite movie of all time...and you show a graphic from it...I need to watch it again!!!!

[Outwest]

I had to post this before catching up on today's posts.


TRIGGER WARNING: VERY LARGE MCCREIGHT FACE
http://www.vice.com/read/atheism-sexismatheism-00003000-v19n10

Atheism - Sexism = Atheism +

Being an atheist is a hassle, but being a lady atheist can be the pits. Not only do you have to deal with Christians saying you’re going to hell all the time, your beliefs will undoubtedly put you in close proximity with “enlightened” male unbelievers who will unabashedly hit on you and maybe even make rape jokes because, well, there’s no God to punish them. Atheist blogger Jennifer McCreight became well versed in godless misogyny when in 2010 she devised a stunt called “Boobquake” via her blog that called on women to dress immodestly for a designated day (April 26) in response to Iranian cleric Hojatoleslam Kazem Seddiqi’s claim that things like female cleavage and bare legs cause earthquakes. Of course, Boobquake went viral. The unfortunate by-product was that Jennifer’s instant internet fame resulted in a deluge of hateful, misogynistic emails from fellow nonbelievers.

This is followed by four questions answered by JenJen.

It's the last question that is really eye-catching:

Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?
I think, for some people, atheism is the one minority identity they have. They’re not gay, they’re not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher. Being an “atheist” is the one thing that they take on as their cause, and they think it’s the most important because it’s the only one that affects them. It puts their priorities out of order a little bit. Once you’ve figured out God doesn’t exist, that’s great! But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism.

The bolding in the middle of the answer is mine. So, if all you are is an atheist, your priorities are out of order? Note also how we're all apparently white, midlle-class or above. Is this woman that dimwitted?

[Lsuoma]

Yay!!! - See "THIS^^!!, So MUCH!!" childish AOLer pantywetting tree-house mindless groupthink. That the commenter was not able to come up with the previous load of vacuous tripe is nothing to be proud of, in the brain-box department.[/i]

Nice. A graphic for this entry -

I posted a copy in the Images and Archives thread. Shame to lose this, yes this, a thousand times this.

[Gumby]

In her Slate article Rebecca Watson writes:

Meanwhile, other skeptical women are being bullied out of the spotlight and even out of their homes. My fellow writer on Skepchick, Amy Davis Roth, moved after her home address was posted on a forum dedicated to hating feminist skeptics.

I'm skeptical about this claim. Is Amy Roth really that stupid? Did she actually move because her home address, which anyone could have found easily with Google, was posted on a forum? If so, why? Did she make surlyramics of the prophet Mohammed?

This dubious example of a woman bullied out of her home is then turned into "skeptical women are being bullied out (...) of their homes." That looks like an application of propaganda 101: how to turn an unverifiable anecdote into a definite case with multiple instances. Call me hyperskepchickal.

It's a big fat lie on Watson's part. I don't believe for one minute that Amy moved. They're just getting mileage out of this claim to demonize critics. What better propaganda than painting a picture of poor Amy, running in terror for her very life? It's got all the makings of a Lifetime Network "Woman in Danger" movie. Soon, we'll be hearing about safe houses, an Underground Railroad to protect the valiant heroine Amy Roth from an army of misogynists desperate to locate her.

*spit*

And the best part for them is, if anyone asks them for evidence that Amy moved, they can call that person a stalker who is trying to find out Amy's supposed new address. A hyper-skeptical stalker, of course.

*spit again*

[Lsuoma]

Perhaps we should invite this guy to the Pit:

A New York City policeman has been arrested for an alleged plot to kidnap women, rape and torture them and then cook and eat their body parts.

I'm sure the FC(n) would think he'd fit right in just fine...

[Guest]

Shouldn't Vice be doing important world-changing things like playing paintball with Hamas or something? The stuff that really matters?

From the interview:

I think, for some people, atheism is the one minority identity they have. They’re not gay, they’re not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher. Being an “atheist” is the one thing that they take on as their cause, and they think it’s the most important because it’s the only one that affects them. It puts their priorities out of order a little bit. Once you’ve figured out God doesn’t exist, that’s great! But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism.

Funny, I always thought those were the reasons a person became an Internet "Social Justice" Warrior - because "[it's] the one minority identity they have. They're not gay, they're not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher."

I thought if anything was clear from Atheism Plus's failure it was that those are the atheists hitching themselves to Fauxcial Justice "causes." Whereas the people opposing this bullshit tend to be from other countries, people with minority identities, and people from lower-class backgrounds, etc. McCreight's not particularly observant, it would seem.

[sacha]

stop sexualificobjectializationing me

hahaha!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

*snip*

It's the last question that is really eye-catching:

Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?
I think, for some people, atheism is the one minority identity they have. They’re not gay, they’re not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher. Being an “atheist” is the one thing that they take on as their cause, and they think it’s the most important because it’s the only one that affects them. It puts their priorities out of order a little bit. Once you’ve figured out God doesn’t exist, that’s great! But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism.

The bolding in the middle of the answer is mine. So, if all you are is an atheist, your priorities are out of order? Note also how we're all apparently white, midlle-class or above. Is this woman that dimwitted?

Underlining mine. And this is what is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. Stupid ass UScentric ignorant fuck!

[Outwest]

*snip*

It's the last question that is really eye-catching:

Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?
I think, for some people, atheism is the one minority identity they have. They’re not gay, they’re not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher. Being an “atheist” is the one thing that they take on as their cause, and they think it’s the most important because it’s the only one that affects them. It puts their priorities out of order a little bit. Once you’ve figured out God doesn’t exist, that’s great! But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism.

The bolding in the middle of the answer is mine. So, if all you are is an atheist, your priorities are out of order? Note also how we're all apparently white, midlle-class or above. Is this woman that dimwitted?

Underlining mine. And this is what is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. Stupid ass UScentric ignorant fuck!

For some reason, I overlooked that. Nice catch. And your comment is spot on!

[AndrewV69]

In other news, from AVFM, some of AndyBob's comments have been turned into an article:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for ... ner-vol-1/

on Lesbians and sexual politics

Lesbians barged into gay men’s spaces in droves jabbing their stubby fingers at everyone. Predictably, they proceeded to boss everyone around, making the gay rights movement about them. Note that homosexuality was a criminal offence for MEN ONLY. Lesbianism was never against the law. They had jackshit to whinge about, but they made gay rights about them anyway, and used it as a propaganda vehicle to support feminism.

Notice that GLTT became LGTT? How’s that for petty entitlement? Gay men should have fought back, but, to our everlasting shame, we didn’t. The only gay men who remained in GLTT were slimy political types seeking personal aggrandizement, zeta poodle carriers and moronic party boys who don’t give a shit about anything except the pattern on the umbrella in their drinks. Of course, the MSM focus entirely on this noisy, spangled disco version of real gay men like me: men who know exactly how greedy, relentless and downright shady those lezziefems are and don’t trust them one iota.

(In case you have not figured it out AndyBob is gay, and I recall he is also pissed off 'bout the women who invade gay bars and misbehave. Apparently a lot of women fail to recognize that gay men are still men, and not only that, they identify as men first and being gay is secondary to that).

On Sasha Wiley aka Creepy Bittergirl

Like all self-dramatizing narcissists, this woman’s life is an extended performance which has been painstakingly crafted so that she resembles a radical feminist. Ms. Wiley is a poseur – or, as we say in Australia, a wanker.

Even her epic plainness is manufactured. Look closely. That mousy hair has been very subtly tinted. The secretarial glasses may suggest Women’s Studies major, but I know Prada when I see it. Check out the lacy bra-strap. Can you say sex-positive slutwalker?

I wonder how long she’s been rehearsing the “I feel like I’ve been wronged” speech. How it must have peeved her that her ‘concrete burn’ didn’t show up on camera any more than her swollen knee or ankle.

Her slam poetry was puerile and derivative – watered-down Plath. It was exactly the kind of tediously pedestrian trash that feminists with daddy issues have been spewing ad nauseum the moment Sylvia decided to get back at poor Ted. What a load of old shit.

I despise this creature for what she did to Mr JTO. That took a disturbing amount of arrogance and contempt. No-one deserves to be immortalized as Creepy Bittergrrl more than Ms. Wiley. Outstanding work.

When will Sylvia Plath finally materialize and tell indulgent no-talents like Ms. Wiley to stop ripping off her poetry? The Vancouver art scene deserves better.

There is more, he talks about Rape Hysteria and Hypergamy, but I suggest you go over there to read the whole thing.

[Jan Steen]

Allow me to borrow your parrot.

[Scented Nectar]

Granita

Granita. Flower of my adolescence, torment of my nights. Will I ever see you again? Granita. Granita. Gran-i-ta. Three syllables, the second and third forming a diminutive, as if contradicting the first. Granita, may I remember you until your image has become a shadow and your abode the grave.

Oh dear, much too romantic/mushy/dependent and just plain talking too much for this old woman. Heheh, next...

[Scented Nectar]

stop sexualificobjectializationing me

hahaha!

Sob! Sometimes I think that no one takes this horrible thought crime seriously.

[ReneeHendricks]

Holy shit snacks, Scoobie! My comment went through: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-135639

And here I thought she had me banned I stand corrected!

[Jan Steen]

What is the opposite of hyperskeptical? Hypergullible? Anyone wants to sell a bridge to this person? I haven't been that naive since I was a toddler.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/10/24/wheeee-boom-here-we-go-again/comment-page-1/#comment-478530

This one believes in fairy tales too:



http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/10/24/wheeee-boom-here-we-go-again/comment-page-1/#comment-478544

Free thinking: you're doing it wrong.

[Struth]

It's interesting to test assertions against the available evidence.

From RW's Slate article:

Becky calls Dawkins "Richard”. Does he use her first name?

[Tigzy]

Holy shit snacks, Scoobie! My comment went through: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-135639

And here I thought she had me banned I stand corrected!

I think Zvan's plunged to new depths (sewer level depths, you might say) of stupidity with that article. Despite bearing in mind that she's previously tried to equate change with damage, and refers to a certain threat of violence as an 'ambiguous colloquialism', I still remain surprised at the utter idiocy of this article.

Still, in letting two posts through which call her on it, I'm hoping that she's doing so with a view to admitting that she's made a mistake. It's a slender hope, I admit - it's likely she let them pass moderation (presuming the post from explody was in moderation) because she's got just the right half-baked sophistry brewing to 'counter' these points.

Zvan is just a fuckin spare udder. I don't know what that means exactly, but sometimes invective just comes out of it's own accord when one of FCs gets my goat.

[sacha]

*snip*

But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism

believing in sexism is irrational. love this

[Tigzy]

Fuckin stupid fuckin Benson is being stupid again: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-320111

Ophelia Benson says:
October 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm

@ 93 – no, you’re wrong. Disproportionate obsessive hatred of a woman can be misogyny, or be a marker of misogyny.

I’ve put you in moderation; your comments don’t appear unless I approve them. Yes there’s a particular reason.

Hatred - disproportionate and obsessive or otherwise - of Islam can be a marker of racism.

You've been criticising Islam a lot recently, haven't you Prune.

[Al Stefanelli]

Dictionary - An evil rape manual written by the Elders of the Patriarchy. All of its entries are wrong, except where we agree with them, but we won't tell you what they are because they change like a whore's knickers, depending on what lie we are trying push at any time.

Best one there.

[Outwest]

*snip*

But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism

believing in sexism is irrational. love this

First of all, may we agree that being an atheist does not necessarily mean that a person is rational in any or all aspects of their life. Hopefully, those that come to the realization that there are no gods, well, they've become skeptics first, then over time, they will come to understand that many of the things they once thought were true, are not.

That being said, are there sexists atheists? Probably. Are there racist atheists? I have no doubt there are. But in both of these cited, from my interactions personally and online, I believe this to be a very small percentage of the atheist community. And for people like Jen and Rebecca, and, (ugghh!) Ophelia and Stephie-poo( thanks Renee) to (i first wrote imply, but that is wrong) say that sexism is a major issue in the skeptical/atheist community is an affront to the vast majority of us that battle all of the social inequities on a daily basis.

Rant over.

[Michael K Gray]

Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?[/b]
... they live in the United States...

...And this is what is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. Stupid ass UScentric ignorant fuck!

As this cretinous, thoughtless, telling, astonishingly fucking ignorant, enraging Septic Tank-centric bullshit get on my tits as well, I refer you to two entries in the Angels' Glossary:

Amerocentrism
- You mean there are places other than the mighty USA??
I must learn to read one day. But not now. I just got another AWESOME Tweet from someone who is slightly famous! Swoon!

World, the
- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)

[AndrewV69]

In other news, and since the subject of the thing-that-used-to-be-called-PMS-but-is-now-a-myth:

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/2 ... ens-votes/

Post removed: Study looks at voting and hormones

A post previously published in this space regarding a study about how hormones may influence voting choices has been removed.

After further review it was determined that some elements of the story did not meet the editorial standards of CNN.

We thank you for your comments and feedback.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Fuckin stupid fuckin Benson is being stupid again: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-320111

Ophelia Benson says:
October 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm

@ 93 – no, you’re wrong. Disproportionate obsessive hatred of a woman can be misogyny, or be a marker of misogyny.

I’ve put you in moderation; your comments don’t appear unless I approve them. Yes there’s a particular reason.

Hatred - disproportionate and obsessive or otherwise - of Islam can be a marker of racism.

You've been criticising Islam a lot recently, haven't you Prune.

Underline mine. I'd be very curious to know how one would come to such a conclusion. (note: you said "can", not "is", so I might just be nitpicking.)

[ReneeHendricks]

LMAO here. Ok, so Mandy Caruso's "ordeal" is out there for all to see. As well as the costume she wore. While there isn't a body length picture to peruse, the comic book character she portrayed gives you enough of an idea (super heroine Black Cat, for those not in the know). So, on Facebook in the Anti-Atheism+ area, a bit of a discussion has gone on about her *very public and oh-so-face-putting" tirade on how she was sexually harassed.

Now, I read the article before it was placed withing this FB area. I chalked it up to a woman who wants to be a famous fashion designer working an angle to get her name out there. And she succeeded fairly well. One Sergio Dominguez decided to go on and on comparing it to "Muslim rape" (I shit you not). So, I put out there a costume I wore about 2-3 years ago:

- his response???

He said that it was appropriate for a porn convention. Honestly. Now, let's take a look...

- comic con
- comic con
- comic con

I've been to one or two porn cons (I used to work for an adult toy store and was interested) and they wear about the same and often a bit more.

Sorry. Had to share the hypocrisy and do a bit of public head shaking

[AndrewV69]

Fuckin stupid fuckin Benson is being stupid again: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-320111

Ophelia Benson says:
October 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm

@ 93 – no, you’re wrong. Disproportionate obsessive hatred of a woman can be misogyny, or be a marker of misogyny.

I’ve put you in moderation; your comments don’t appear unless I approve them. Yes there’s a particular reason.

Hatred - disproportionate and obsessive or otherwise - of Islam can be a marker of racism.

You've been criticising Islam a lot recently, haven't you Prune.

Underline mine. I'd be very curious to know how one would come to such a conclusion. (note: you said "can", not "is", so I might just be nitpicking.)

As far as I know OB is the authority on the subject so you should ask her.

/snark

[Lsuoma]

World, the
- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)

Looking to piss off the Canucks, eh?

[ReneeHendricks]

BTW, I put that out there as I assume that will be the next FfTB topic to pop up.

[Michael K Gray]

First of all, may we agree that being an atheist does not necessarily mean that a person is rational in any or all aspects of their life.

Exactly correct.

Hopefully<sic>, those that come to the realization that there are no gods, well, they've become skeptics first, then over time, they will come to understand that many of the things they once thought were true, are not.

Arrggg!!! Exactly INCORRECT!
More damn parochial assumptions! (You wouldn't be a US resident, I take it?)
Most folk on the planet, are lifelong atheists, by definition.
They never have to "come to the realization that there are no gods" because they were never infected by that criminal meme in the first place.
And for the "they've become skeptics first", well: NO.
Just NO. Look at the Chinese, as an example.
More nominal life-long atheists than in 2000x USAs. Yet they are rarely skeptical, given the profound and endemic socialised superstition that pervades every aspect of life.

You lot need constant reminders that there are billions of atheists in China and India who do not conform to your parochial generalisations one iota.

(Now you know Phil's & my Kryptonite: Blather as though the USA==The Whole World)

[Couch]

I was speaking to a mainstream print journo friend yesterday (works for rupert) and she told me it hadn't escaped their attention that any opinion pieces touching on sexual poilitics will get heaps of traffic. She knew about 'yesterday's piece' in Slate, but was unaware of the backstory and hadn't heard of the author.

Anyway, as if on cue, there is this piece today in the main broadsheet daily in this part of the world:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... 28837.html

I LOVE this comment 11-eight!:

As a man with a small penis. How dare you use my physical appearance as the butt of your insult.

Just like the NSW government who used having a small penis in a derogatory way as an acceptable insult for people who are speeding.

You are no better than the misogynist man you have ever encountered.

To use your own eloquent words... F___ you

CommenterSP
LocationDate and timeOctober 26, 2012, 10:36AM
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... z2AMJk65pq

This part:

Just like the NSW government who used having a small penis in a derogatory way as an acceptable insult for people who are speeding.

is a reference to this:
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/rai ... le-finger/

[Michael K Gray]

World, the
- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)

Looking to piss off the Canucks, eh?

Oops!
Ta. Now changed to "Continental USA..."

[ReneeHendricks]

I was speaking to a mainstream print journo friend yesterday (works for rupert) and she told me it hadn't escaped their attention that any opinion pieces touching on sexual poilitics will get heaps of traffic. She knew about 'yesterday's piece' in Slate, but was unaware of the backstory and hadn't heard of the author.

Anyway, as if on cue, there is this piece today in the main broadsheet daily in this part of the world:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... 28837.html

That article was awesome all by itself. Just sayin' As a woman who isn't a size 4 (and never will be unless I get cancer or develop some eating disorder), that bit made me laugh my ass off! Yes, I fluctuate from a size 10 to a size 12. I'm 5'6", medium build, have hips that were just fucking built to have children and a rather large chest thanks to years of swimming and a broad back. I *love* women who aren't toothpicks and who love the way they are. The caveat is if you get to an *unhealthy* weight then I'm not so on board. Anyway, thanks for sharing!!!!

[CommanderTuvok]

That QED conference is shaping up nicely.

Oh, and Ophelia, it would be fantastic if you were not invited.

On that Slate thread, some wankstain claimed Rebecca has made Dawkins persona non grata. That got me scratching my head.

[mikelf]

Is it fair to say that, on the whole, atheists aren’t that crazy about feminism?
I think, for some people, atheism is the one minority identity they have. They’re not gay, they’re not black, they live in the United States, and a lot of them are middle-class or higher. Being an “atheist” is the one thing that they take on as their cause, and they think it’s the most important because it’s the only one that affects them. It puts their priorities out of order a little bit. Once you’ve figured out God doesn’t exist, that’s great! But there are other irrational things you might believe in, like sexism.

The bolding in the middle of the answer is mine. So, if all you are is an atheist, your priorities are out of order? Note also how we're all apparently white, midlle-class or above. Is this woman that dimwitted?

Bless her little ole heart, but she isn't a deep thinker, is she? She starts out well enough, but goes off the rails when she says that when people take on godlessness as their cause, it puts their priorities out of order. It may puts people's priorities out of order relative to hers, but she incorrectly assumes that everyone must conform their priority to what she thinks is important.

But, the poor dear just can't stop there. After she incorrectly assumes a Jen-centric solar system, she makes the leap from "people don't share my priorities" to "people who don't share my priorities oppose them."

[papillon]

I'm skeptical about this claim. Is Amy Roth really that stupid? Did she actually move because her home address, which anyone could have found easily with Google, was posted on a forum

Maybe you're thinking of Stephunny Svan being moved from her house?

[welch]

*Runs in, throws video on thread, runs out*



Ophi and Stefunny should see it quicker if I post it here ;P LOL!

ENJOY!

W00t. And of course they look for things to whine about. It's more attention for them, and they'd rather blow a dead hobo than be ignored.

[welch]

:lol: Priceless work here from Mr Plum:



http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-319113

Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.

[Guest]

For the sake of objectivity I'll be the devil's advocate here. I think hers is a case of bad 'mind-keyboard interfacing':

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways. When a pregnancy follows a rape, it is an extension of the betrayal and the trauma of the rape itself. Any individual victim may decide for their own reasons that they want to carry that pregnancy to term, but none of them should ever be pressured to do so, much less forced. (emphases mine)

Looking at her train of thought to me it seems she was talking about forced continuation of pregnancy from rape, even though that's not exactly what she wrote.

[DownThunder]

Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.

Fecophelia Benson?

[welch]

Hmm. Mykeru is compared to Bill O'Reilly and Howard Stern. Bit of an odd stretch there:
"Rage style". Hey, I'm not the one pissed off by a joke,sugar vinegar fried egg-tits.

Just tinkered with that for ya.

Fixed it better

[justinvacula]

:lol: Priceless work here from Mr Plum:



http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/rebeccas-article-at-slate/#comment-319113

Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.

Vacuous shitbag troll here reporting for duty!

Perhaps soon Opehlia will just start telling 'aristocrat jokes' on her blog...or maybe fellow pitters will :p

[Outwest]

First of all, may we agree that being an atheist does not necessarily mean that a person is rational in any or all aspects of their life.

Exactly correct.

Hopefully<sic>, those that come to the realization that there are no gods, well, they've become skeptics first, then over time, they will come to understand that many of the things they once thought were true, are not.

Arrggg!!! Exactly INCORRECT!
More damn parochial assumptions! (You wouldn't be a US resident, I take it?)
Most folk on the planet, are lifelong atheists, by definition.
They never have to "come to the realization that there are no gods" because they were never infected by that criminal meme in the first place.
And for the "they've become skeptics first", well: NO.
Just NO. Look at the Chinese, as an example.
More nominal life-long atheists than in 2000x USAs. Yet they are rarely skeptical, given the profound and endemic socialised superstition that pervades every aspect of life.

You lot need constant reminders that there are billions of atheists in China and India who do not conform to your parochial generalisations one iota.

(Now you know Phil's & my Kryptonite: Blather as though the USA==The Whole World)

Really? So what I've said is totally inappropriate ? What you are stating

is entirely inconsistent with fucking reality.
Get a grip, would you?

The Chinese? Now you have to know to whom you are addressing. I spent 3 months China on business. The Chinese are some what religious. But its a minority. I've also spent time in India.although the people of India are very religious, there are many there that do not buy I to their traditions. Stating there are " billions" in both those countries that are atheist is entirely incorrect.

Before you comment, please make sure you do your research.

[justinvacula]

For somelike like Ophelia with a background in philosophy (correct me if I am wrong), I am disapppointed to see Ophelia not understand distinctions between 'entrenched prejudice' and 'hatred.' It is really nothing new, though, as they conflate so many terms and assign motives to people on the internet with no good reason to do so (watson is especially a frequent offender).

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -misogyny/

Responses and criticism are 'stalking' and 'cyberstalking.' Disagreement is 'sexism' and 'misogyny.' Expressing skepticism is translated to 'invalidating experience,' 'gaslighting,' and 'insisting women are liars.' Trolling is 'abuse.' 'I hope you x' is a 'threat.' Over-the-top emails sent to Ophelia concerning TAM are 'threats.' Disagreement is 'not caring about women.' Asking for clarification is 'jaqing off' and 'trolling.'

[Lsuoma]

World, the
- Continental North America, (obviously excluding Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. But including Israel and the State of Ceepolk's Mum's basement)

Looking to piss off the Canucks, eh?

Oops!
Ta. Now changed to "Continental USA..."

NP. Glad to be able to help

[Lsuoma]

Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.

Fecophelia Benson?

Fecophilia? Fecophagia?

[justinvacula]

Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.

[ReneeHendricks]

For the sake of objectivity I'll be the devil's advocate here. I think hers is a case of bad 'mind-keyboard interfacing':

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways. When a pregnancy follows a rape, it is an extension of the betrayal and the trauma of the rape itself. Any individual victim may decide for their own reasons that they want to carry that pregnancy to term, but none of them should ever be pressured to do so, much less forced. (emphases mine)

Looking at her train of thought to me it seems she was talking about forced continuation of pregnancy from rape, even though that's not exactly what she wrote.

It isn't. Especially since before that she states:

Yes, an unwanted pregnancy has many commonalities with rape.

Which isn't the same train of thought.

[Lsuoma]

Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.

Wouldn't work anyway, assuming that my assumption that you sport a todger is correct. Bzzzzt! No allowed!

[welch]

Ok, I can't stand it. I was just going to leave this alone because I have the feeling that not many will agree with me. But Asshat-Szvan's latest bit has a line in it (actually, twice but stated differently) that is bothering the shit out of me:

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways.

No. No, it's not. It is not a violent sexual assault upon your body and mental well-being. It's simply unwanted. To me, it's like night and day. Or perhaps I'm just letting my extreme distaste of Szvan color my perception. Either way, that line just bothers the shit out of me.

No, I agree, it's trivializing rape. Unwanted pregnancies are a lot of things, but "like rape" is not on that list, ( unless of course, it is caused BY rape. In that kind of case, and only that kind of case, I could agree)

[ReneeHendricks]

Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.

It is a lovely thought though, isn't it?

[Notung]

Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.

Not just Slate now, but Jezebel too.

I bet in a year's time there will be still be articles lamenting the time someone was once asked for coffee by someone they didn't fancy.

In other unrelated news, for anyone interested, I just blote a wrog post: http://skepticink.com/notung/2012/10/26/what-is-freedom-of-expression-iv-coverage/

Soon I'll write about Chris Stedman's excerpt I think. I'm going to be accommodationist about accommodationists.

[Guest]

Maybe I should take the 'gameplan' from Watson and company and start claiming that they are misandists and Watson is an "anti-man leader." I can then write an article for Slate about misandry in the skeptical community and hijack my speeches and panel appearances talking about how women have engaged in a campaign of hate against me and others as they have 'declared war.' Nah...I won't stoop to their level.

If only that could ever work. But feminism is what sells. What you would have to instead would be try to argue that they are actually anti-Women in disguise (in truthfulness at least it seems they don't really care about women's rights unless it fits their personal agenda).

It isn't. Especially since before that she states:

Yes, an unwanted pregnancy has many commonalities with rape.

Which isn't the same train of thought.

Conceded. That phrase is hard to defend.

[AndrewV69]

Before you comment, please make sure you do your research.

Thems fighting words!!!!

[BarnOwl]

Again with the shit thing. That's all Ophelia calls anyone. I'm a vicious piece of shit, Justicar is some other kind of shit.

Umbridge has a serious feces obsession going.

Fecophelia Benson?

Fecophilia? Fecophagia?

Ugghhhh ... Old Brigadier Pudding!

[ReneeHendricks]

GREAT response to RW's recent Slate "article": http://skepticink.com/skepticallyleft/2012/10/25/why-create-new-drama-when-you-can-simply-move-your-performance-to-a-different-venue/

[ReneeHendricks]

[quote="Notung"]
In other unrelated news, for anyone interested, I just blote a wrog post: http://skepticink.com/notung/2012/10/26/what-is-freedom-of-expression-iv-coverage/

LOL I didn't realize that was you and posted it out again Fantastic bit!

[ReneeHendricks]

Ok...that wasn't the same person. Sigh. I'm done linking. Clearly I'm having issues tonight.

[Notung]

Hehe! They were both written by some strange person named 'Skeptic Ink'.

[BarnOwl]

WRT the "face blindness" excuse for not recognizing Elevator Guy - I think it's important to reiterate that Watson claimed to have transient prosopagnosia. Several types of prosopagnosia (developmental, associative, etc.) have been described, but "transient" is not one of them. I suppose it's formally possible that alcohol intoxication could selectively affect the fusiform gyrus, yet leave the ability to remember the elevator conversation completely intact.

But I doubt it.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

For the sake of objectivity I'll be the devil's advocate here. I think hers is a case of bad 'mind-keyboard interfacing':

An unwanted pregnancy is not rape, but it is like a rape in many ways. When a pregnancy follows a rape, it is an extension of the betrayal and the trauma of the rape itself. Any individual victim may decide for their own reasons that they want to carry that pregnancy to term, but none of them should ever be pressured to do so, much less forced. (emphases mine)

Looking at her train of thought to me it seems she was talking about forced continuation of pregnancy from rape, even though that's not exactly what she wrote.

My bold. It's nothing like what she wrote. And certainly not what she meant. Examine her history and you will see clearly: she believes that an unwanted pregnancy arising from not-non-consensual sex, is very much like rape. No matter that the woman was a willing participant in the shenanigans that led to the awful, unbearable horror of growing a tiny person in her tummy; all sex is rape when you're crazy as a cunt, like Stephany.