Don't forget about donating to privileged western white women's charity appeals. The horror, real world considerations might see them cancel their day spa and femerotica subscriptions otherwise.Za-zen wrote:In sally's world, it's totes good to defraud the social justice system (the tax system) whilst sitting on her ass lecturing others as to their social justice responsibilities to her and other select victims.
Welcome to the Aplusser mind.
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Especially if they appear to be consumed with rape fantasies?papillon wrote:...but excitable bitches are where it's at.Mykeru wrote: Jesus Christ, can we stop talking about Ophelia Benson for a minute?
(you do realize that this is probably the root of her very real problem.)
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Yep. Except for one or two of the new people, we are all sockpuppets. And once Franc gets to the new people and disappears them, they'll be socks too. Woolie ones, they're warm!
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I think they just screwed up the modifiers - it isn't "terrified into silence", it is "terrified by silence". If they didn't have anybody talking about them, even remotely, then they would collapse into piles of tears and bitterness.Git wrote:Justin, you terrify them into silence by disagreeing with them.justinvacula wrote: Terrify into silence? How is that even done? How do I have these magic powers?
Now you know.
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Crazy Cunt Lady and cohorts (via cesspit of lies) -
Siege mentality is a shared feeling of victimization and defensiveness. It is a state of mind whereby one believes that one is being constantly attacked, oppressed, or isolated and makes one frightened of surrounding people. This can cause a state of being overly fearful leading to a defensive attitude.
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NO. I'M FRANC!!!
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*wave*Scented Nectar wrote: I'm all distracted with most of my gene results being in at 23andme. All the health stuff is in, but the ancestry stuff might take up to another week. Although it seems that enough has been looked so far that they can tell me I'm 2.5% Neanderthal, if anyone's interested. That gives me the giggles for some reason.
Are any of the traits expressed such as the "long toe" (which I have)?
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franc wrote:Crazy Cunt Lady and cohorts (via cesspit of lies) -
Siege mentality is a shared feeling of victimization and defensiveness. It is a state of mind whereby one believes that one is being constantly attacked, oppressed, or isolated and makes one frightened of surrounding people. This can cause a state of being overly fearful leading to a defensive attitude.
Cesspit of lies seems to be hitting the mark quite well today.For instance, dictatorships have been known to encourage this point of view among their own people, since it justifies the continuance of those in power. [2]
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Yea, I heard the same thing...it's legendary. You might wanna start washing a bit more often too, or notMykeru wrote:You seem to be under the impression that you're not complicit as well. How did you get that idea?oolon, slimy turd wrote:Well d0x'ing is not an issue is it? I read your post on that gun nut you were trying to goad into a fight where you say you have posted a satellite image of the location of your house on the site. I didn't bother looking it up or where you live as it was clear you were not 'franc', which was the aim of the 'd0x' ... I like your victim impression though, you've been sucking at the blood of FtBs for so long now so cannot resist the dark side ;-)Mykeru wrote:Oh, we are way beyond doxing now.oolon, slimy turd wrote:.. Blast-off!Tony Parsehole wrote:Slimy Turd post detailing why Oolon wasn't trying to find out Mykeru's personal details AT ALL and how we have all got the wrong end of the stick in 5....4....3...2...
Don't want to worry Mykeru and Sacha... It started as a discussion as who 'franc' is and who here is a sockpuppet of his. I contended sacha is an independent entity from 'franc' but I got the distinct impression Aratina did not. I also noted on here there had been some discussion about sacha and 'franc' being one and the same --- but I thought that was just jocularly posed. I then got the impression that Ophelia thought Mykeru was also a sock! However as you showed she reckons she knows who he is, and actually 5 secs on his website makes it pretty obvious he has been around far too long to be a 'franc' sock... Unless he is as he says, Kaiser Soze.
Anyway comes down to some sad gossiping about the pitters and conspiracy theories - I'm also mortified that 'franc' will find this hilarious and get off on it increasing his status as the Pit Pimpernel. I'll defend myself as coming at it from the angle that these are not and were not 'franc' socks and they were giving him way too much credit! Although I notice a post by Towelie was bumped as being a 'franc' sock as well so pretty soon the whole pit will be written off as orchestrated by one lone Hoggler.
As Ophelia Benson made a statement which has been screen captured, that I represent a threat of harm to Rebecca Watson, claiming that if we ever met I would shoot her, and then was dumb enough to tweet it, I have the Seattle Police Department on speed dial.
Nope, this isn't about doxing anymore, Renfield.
Either
1. Ophelia or someone at FTB knows you or
2. Your email address, IP and other PII are in the FTB/A+ Forum Twitter data.
You're the first one they'd throw to the lawyers.
Plus no one likes you, either here or there, and everyone who ever told you they love you lied, including your hand, which jerks off hobos while you're asleep.
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Hey, cousin caveman! :) I don't think any of my Neanderthal shows physically. I don't have the long toe, and I think my skull bone shape is normal. My score is only a little over the average which is 2.3%. Still though.AndrewV69 wrote:*wave*Scented Nectar wrote: I'm all distracted with most of my gene results being in at 23andme. All the health stuff is in, but the ancestry stuff might take up to another week. Although it seems that enough has been looked so far that they can tell me I'm 2.5% Neanderthal, if anyone's interested. That gives me the giggles for some reason.
Are any of the traits expressed such as the "long toe" (which I have)?
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Sock puppet, Mykeru. SOCK puppet!
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(I've never used the word cunt so much since Ophelia banned everyone from using it. How does that work? Magnets?)
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Oooh...KiwiInOz wrote:Sock puppet, Mykeru. SOCK puppet!
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You just can't tell by looking, you know.
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I took a gander at it and I'm fairly certain the green guy said "shoto-porn", which would be anime/manga characters.Scented Nectar wrote:
Here's most of what they say about it in the video:Then he goes on about the urban dictionary ratings and other stuff."Atheism Plus raid ... The first report of today was sent to us by Dildo Faggins, and it is about raid on atheism webpage, atheism plus. Apparently their forums were at one point flooded with images of gore, shutterporn(shuttercorn? I can't make it out), I admit I had to google this one to want to know what it is, and with just generally pornagraphic material. This of course, led to some level of butthurt, and only selected people could post on their forum. Atheism plus was also attacked in form of Urban Dictionary definitionj, where atheism plus was defined almost as feminazi site. From our research, it seems that the attack wasn't led by a theist, but by another atheist, who are disagreeing with the owner of the site. The site owner apparently criticized atheists for being white males. I'm green male. Is that any better?"
I love this place!
*gets more popcorn*
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Yea, that seems reasonably analogous, although it’s not really gendered which seems to make things so much worse in the FTB/Skepchick lexicon – at least that was the argument that the Man Boobz regulars were peddling to me as to why “asshole†was acceptable but the gendered insults were not. But it also seems to be considered – at least over there – as “ableist†and such terms have likewise been anathematized.rayshul wrote:Well I'm going to keep using idiot, so I guess that shows where I stand on these matters. That's the closest I could think of to cunt.Steersman wrote: Although I don’t see that a case could be made for “fucking†– the word only seems to add emphasis, I would say that “idiot†is probably analogous. Particularly since PZ and Carrier, among others, have argued, although not particularly well or very credibly, that it qualifies as an insult towards an entire group, similar to their position on gendered insults.
But I really have to wonder about the increasing level of insults – and the related “piling-onâ€. If there isn’t an emotional response then it’s a waste of both time and effort, and if there is such a response then presumably they’re used in lieu of rational arguments and criticisms – neither stance being particularly credible. Maybe there’s some justification – sort of like the nuclear option – when rational debate has broken down, but I think it tends to be decidedly counterproductive – a pyrhric “victory†if it can be called that ….
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Hey Reap and Mykeru
Just found the time to listen to the podcast - great stuff, thanks.
Rebecca Watson, Baboons, naked.
Just found the time to listen to the podcast - great stuff, thanks.
Rebecca Watson, Baboons, naked.
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Fixed it for Ophie, she'll like that.justinvacula wrote:That’s just how it is. We were irresponsible enough to decide to be women, so there it is. We can write, or we can avoid constant harassment; we can’t do both. As Stewart said yesterday (and Stephanie quoted him): The real message is “being a woman does not entitle you to protection from the extra hostility you get for being awomancunt.â€
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Apart from wondering where you took your voice lessons to get it to “vibrate with rageâ€, it seems to me that it is rather much of a stretch to your apparent conclusion that Ophelia is saying or implying that you “made a threat against Rebecca Watsonâ€. Considering those tweets of hers:Mykeru wrote:Is that all the comments Ophelia and the FTB have made about me. Let's check. I don't want to miss anything.
1. Implying in some way I made a threat against Rebecca Watson. What threat? That claim is legally actionable. ....
I would say that all she is saying is a hypothetical: “If R were in front of him [then] bam†– no different from franc’s infamous “if I were a woman then I’d kick you in the cuntâ€. Don’t go off the deep end in imputing more than is manifest in the statements – that’s FTB/Skepchick modus operandi if not paranoia ….Ophelia Benson wrote:Whoever he is, he’s scary. His voice vibrates with rage throughout. He sounds an inch away from going postal.
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Yes. If R were in front of him – bam.
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Where is the bullying from FTB/A+ a commenter of mine wonders :o
Poor us, "stalking" FTB/A+ people by reading the information they make available!
Where is the bullying from FTB/A+ a commenter of mine wonders :o
Poor us, "stalking" FTB/A+ people by reading the information they make available!
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I went away and came back to "going postal" is "abusing mail privilege." Oh, how I've missed this place.Al Stefanelli wrote:Holy fucking shit... I go away for a day and miss all the fun.
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"being a woman does not entitle you to protection from thereal horrorshow wrote:Fixed it for Ophie, she'll like that.justinvacula wrote:That’s just how it is. We were irresponsible enough to decide to be women, so there it is. We can write, or we can avoid constant harassment; we can’t do both. As Stewart said yesterday (and Stephanie quoted him): The real message is “being a woman does not entitle you to protection from the extra hostility you get for being awomancunt.â€
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Wow. Just wow.
So, apparently if Amy reveals private information to someone privately it is OK. Maybe? But what about the twitter account @HomerVacula which hinted at the address and name presumably provided in the counter-DMCA?
Wow. Just wow.
So, apparently if Amy reveals private information to someone privately it is OK. Maybe? But what about the twitter account @HomerVacula which hinted at the address and name presumably provided in the counter-DMCA?
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Bullshit. Franc, no matter how hard he wishes, will never be a woman. His statement, therefore, that if he were a woman he'd kick Ophelia in hers is an expression of no real world significance; it cannot come to pass. I could say "if I were an alien with power to do so, I would come to Earth and pull PZ Meyers's stupid beard out, one hair at a time". It is a fantasy threat.Steersman wrote:Apart from wondering where you took your voice lessons to get it to “vibrate with rageâ€, it seems to me that it is rather much of a stretch to your apparent conclusion that Ophelia is saying or implying that you “made a threat against Rebecca Watsonâ€. Considering those tweets of hers:Mykeru wrote:Is that all the comments Ophelia and the FTB have made about me. Let's check. I don't want to miss anything.
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I would say that all she is saying is a hypothetical: “If R were in front of him [then] bam†– no different from franc’s infamous “if I were a woman then I’d kick you in the cuntâ€. Don’t go off the deep end in imputing more than is manifest in the statements – that’s FTB/Skepchick modus operandi if not paranoia ….Ophelia Benson wrote:Whoever he is, he’s scary. His voice vibrates with rage throughout. He sounds an inch away from going postal.
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Yes. If R were in front of him – bam.
What Ophelia hinted rather crudely at is that Mykeru would hit/shoot Becky Whatnot were he to find himself in front of her. That is an entirely possible situation and response, and is therefore an actionable libel/slander (whichever. whatever.).
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Isn't the term 'go postal' all nasty and discriminatory and stuff? OK, once in a while someone at the local sorting office will express his frustrations with a 9mm, but is that any reason for the hard-working letter carriers of the US to be smeared by the use of this derogatory and shaming term? Opheliar may claim that it's an 'ambiguous colloquialism' or something but 'intent isn't magic'. (Hey, I'm getting the hang of this terminology, the way it lets you be right all the time!)ReneeHendricks wrote:He sounds an inch away from going postal??? Does Ophelia Benson spend a lot of time around people who "go postal"? Is she a fucking expert? Oddly enough it's the ones who sound rational and completely in control and not scary at all that go the fuck off. Should I be worried that Ophie the Octogenarian will suddenly go off and start firing off rounds? Please. That woman needs to up her fucking meds, I swear.
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Mykeru wrote:
(I've never used the word cunt so much since Ophelia banned everyone from using it. How does that work? Magnets?)
Me too, oddly enough. Hell, my roommate doesn't pay attention to these things and she's started using it more than I have. And I normally only use it in writing. Weird.
Fucking cunts, how do they work? (Insane Fainting Couch Posse)
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That was apparently someone else, who just happened to get the information privately. Thus, Surly is free and clear of all guilt, since there was no way she made the information public. It was this other character. Now, they may have gotten the information from Surly, but since it was given privately, there is no problem for her. See?justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/n4vxk.jpg
Wow. Just wow.
So, apparently if Amy reveals private information to someone privately it is OK. Maybe? But what about the twitter account @HomerVacula which hinted at the address and name presumably provided in the counter-DMCA?
(crap - my head hurts just trying to fathom the "logic")
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Now, I see your user pic. Sure look like an alien to me. Or is it just that you don't have the power to come to earth, just use your interociter to contact this message board?ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: I could say "if I were an alien with power to do so, I would come to Earth and pull PZ Meyers's stupid beard out, one hair at a time". It is a fantasy threat.
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Wow, just wow. However I am hoping it is a poe. Upon searching her fb likes, she lists an anti-mgm page, so I think that her crazy feminist post is a parody.AndrewV69 wrote:I am just going to leaave this here:
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If it is true that Benson is getting "hundreds of hits every day" from the Slyme Pit, shouldn't she really be sending us a thank you note (with maybe a fruit basket or something) for all the blog hits she's getting from us. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, Ophelia, and btw you're welcome :lol:justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BI9E8.jpg
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It works like abstinence only sex education. I have looked at this - prior to this hysteria, there were zero uses on my blog. Now it's unavoidable if you are discussing the baboons. Same with rape jokes. There has similarly been a corresponding rise in the incidence and the number of people that make them/laugh at them - of both genders. Casual reading in fact leaves me with the impression that girls are more guilty than boys for the latter.Badger3k wrote:Mykeru wrote:"THIS JUST IN: OPHELIA BENSON STILL A CUNT"
(I've never used the word cunt so much since Ophelia banned everyone from using it. How does that work? Magnets?)
Me too, oddly enough. Hell, my roommate doesn't pay attention to these things and she's started using it more than I have. And I normally only use it in writing. Weird.
Fucking cunts, how do they work? (Insane Fainting Couch Posse)
Mission accomplished Becky, Ophie et al.
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If it is Dick can DMCA her.justinvacula wrote:Perhaps this will soon be on Ophelia's blog?Dick Strawkins wrote:Mykerus, for Peezus sake, be careful with Ophelia.
When she's out for revenge there's no telling what she might do.
She'll go medieval on your ass! :shock:
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Who is the brave soul prepared to wade through the shit at Butterlies and Squeals, then?
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No, I am Spar... franc!Rystefn wrote:I'm not going to lie... I'm a franc sockpuppet.
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It is quite staggering to see the Baboons complaining that we respond to their tweets, blog posts, etc.
These are the people who tear apart every single Richard Dawkins tweet to decide if he is being racist, sexist, or snarky, or summat. These are the people who befriend people on Facebook with the sole intention of taking screenshots of comments they don't "approve" of.
Fucking wankstain hypocrites.
These are the people who tear apart every single Richard Dawkins tweet to decide if he is being racist, sexist, or snarky, or summat. These are the people who befriend people on Facebook with the sole intention of taking screenshots of comments they don't "approve" of.
Fucking wankstain hypocrites.
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I’ll concede there’s some difference in the degree of probability of the precursors – being a woman, being in the presence of “Râ€. But the latter case still looks to be hypothetical, suppositional or contingent, something that is emphasized by the subjunctive form of the verb “beâ€, i.e., “wereâ€. And according to Wikipedia:ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Bullshit. Franc, no matter how hard he wishes, will never be a woman. His statement, therefore, that if he were a woman he'd kick Ophelia in hers is an expression of no real world significance; it cannot come to pass. I could say "if I were an alien with power to do so, I would come to Earth and pull PZ Meyers's stupid beard out, one hair at a time". It is a fantasy threat.Steersman wrote:....
I would say that all she is saying is a hypothetical: “If R were in front of him [then] bam†– no different from franc’s infamous “if I were a woman then I’d kick you in the cuntâ€. Don’t go off the deep end in imputing more than is manifest in the statements – that’s FTB/Skepchick modus operandi if not paranoia ….
What Ophelia hinted rather crudely at is that Mykeru would hit/shoot Becky Whatnot were he to find himself in front of her. That is an entirely possible situation and response, and is therefore an actionable libel/slander (whichever. whatever.).
Looks to me to be rather a long distance from an assertion that an actual threat took place. But then again, I’m not a lawyer – how about you?In grammar, the subjunctive mood (abbreviated sjv or sbjv) is a verb mood typically used in subordinate clauses to express various states of unreality such as wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or action that has not yet occurred.
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Not to mention rummaging around private messages on 'tardbook looking for shit, as with Penn Jillette. Or fishing gynopodiatry out of a 5000 comment ERV thread. Truffle pigs I keep calling them. It's a precise analogy.CommanderTuvok wrote:It is quite staggering to see the Baboons complaining that we respond to their tweets, blog posts, etc.
These are the people who tear apart every single Richard Dawkins tweet to decide if he is being racist, sexist, or snarky, or summat. These are the people who befriend people on Facebook with the sole intention of taking screenshots of comments they don't "approve" of.
Fucking wankstain hypocrites.
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You’ve read all of her posts and analyzed them in depth and have tons of citations that prove that she is wrong in every last statement she’s made? Do tell ….Tkmlac wrote:"being a woman does not entitle you to protection from thereal horrorshow wrote:Fixed it for Ophie, she'll like that.justinvacula wrote:That’s just how it is. We were irresponsible enough to decide to be women, so there it is. We can write, or we can avoid constant harassment; we can’t do both. As Stewart said yesterday (and Stephanie quoted him): The real message is “being a woman does not entitle you to protection from the extra hostility you get for being awomancunt.â€extra hostilitycriticism you get for beinga womanwrong all the fucking time.
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Steersman wrote:You’ve read all of her posts and analyzed them in depth and have tons of citations that prove that she is wrong in every last statement she’s made? Do tell ….Tkmlac wrote:"being a woman does not entitle you to protection from thereal horrorshow wrote:Fixed it for Ophie, she'll like that.justinvacula wrote:That’s just how it is. We were irresponsible enough to decide to be women, so there it is. We can write, or we can avoid constant harassment; we can’t do both. As Stewart said yesterday (and Stephanie quoted him): The real message is “being a woman does not entitle you to protection from the extra hostility you get for being awomancunt.â€extra hostilitycriticism you get for beinga womanwrong all the fucking time.
It's hyperbowl, Steers me old china. Hyperbowl.
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Hyperbole is defined as exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. When the exaggeration becomes the norm it loses its impact. And because there’s no base-line to define what constitutes exaggeration it tends to suggest that the author is serious in their claims.KiwiInOz wrote:It's hyperbowl, Steers me old china. Hyperbowl.Steersman wrote:You’ve read all of her posts and analyzed them in depth and have tons of citations that prove that she is wrong in every last statement she’s made? Do tell ….Tkmlac wrote:"being a woman does not entitle you to protection from thereal horrorshow wrote:Fixed it for Ophie, she'll like that.justinvacula wrote:That’s just how it is. We were irresponsible enough to decide to be women, so there it is. We can write, or we can avoid constant harassment; we can’t do both. As Stewart said yesterday (and Stephanie quoted him): The real message is “being a woman does not entitle you to protection from the extra hostility you get for being awomancunt.â€extra hostilitycriticism you get for beinga womanwrong all the fucking time.
One might argue that looks sort of like piling-on: one shot may be valid criticism; the same one from many people, particularly where there isn’t much credible justification for the shots in the first place, starts to look like bullying ….
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This is literally how I talk in the real world.Steersman wrote:But I really have to wonder about the increasing level of insults – and the related “piling-onâ€. If there isn’t an emotional response then it’s a waste of both time and effort, and if there is such a response then presumably they’re used in lieu of rational arguments and criticisms – neither stance being particularly credible. Maybe there’s some justification – sort of like the nuclear option – when rational debate has broken down, but I think it tends to be decidedly counterproductive – a pyrhric “victory†if it can be called that ….
RESPEKT MAH CULTURE.
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That might be true if you knew that tkmlac was prone to exaggeration, particularly about Ophelia et al. But, given that s/h/it has only made 7 posts to date on the SlymePit, I don't think that you have enough data to determine whether the author is serious in their claims.Steersman wrote: Hyperbole is defined as exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. When the exaggeration becomes the norm it loses its impact. And because there’s no base-line to define what constitutes exaggeration it tends to suggest that the author is serious in their claims.
One might argue that looks sort of like piling-on: one shot may be valid criticism; the same one from many people, particularly where there isn’t much credible justification for the shots in the first place, starts to look like bullying ….
Like me, they might just be pulling the one with bells on it.
(Of course tkmlac was piling on with the cool kids of the Pyt. He wants to get in with the chill girls)
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I've seriously never been to their blogs in the past year except by accident, I don't follow any of them on twitter or anything like that, I don't read their articles and the only person I've googled as far as I recall is an image of Ophelia (to find out if she was a college teenager, as I first assumed).
I'm going to go out on a limb and suspect I'm not the only person who never visits the blogs but likes the discussions of crazy fucking social justice shit that go on here.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suspect I'm not the only person who never visits the blogs but likes the discussions of crazy fucking social justice shit that go on here.
WBB: Rebecca Watson and The Rape Threat
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Really enjoyed that article by the way Justin - http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2012 ... -part-two/
People expect the world to become a safe space for them all the time. Ugh. The smartest thing you can learn in life I've found is to know when to engage and when to step back and - if necessary - use a proxy to mediate. I have a list of people at work who I cannot work with - they are fine at their jobs but we have an overwhelming personality clash which means I am unwilling to interact with them in any way. You just work around these issues and don't force them, otherwise you wind up with a lot of mess.
People expect the world to become a safe space for them all the time. Ugh. The smartest thing you can learn in life I've found is to know when to engage and when to step back and - if necessary - use a proxy to mediate. I have a list of people at work who I cannot work with - they are fine at their jobs but we have an overwhelming personality clash which means I am unwilling to interact with them in any way. You just work around these issues and don't force them, otherwise you wind up with a lot of mess.
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I'm franc & so's my wifeCommanderTuvok wrote:NO. I'M FRANC!!!
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Someone clearly overestimates the effect of circumcision.AndrewV69 wrote:I am just going to leaave this here:
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Urk.Jan Steen wrote:At Skepticon, PZ Myers is billed back to back with Rebecca Watson.
The beast with two backs?
(Or did you mean "consecutively"?)
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I probably should have elaborated more – it was less a question of tkmlac’s comment itself and more a question of a last straw; less a question of the exaggeration in their post and more a question of the exaggeration in all or many of the previous related ones. Their post just happened to be provide the biggest and most recent target of opportunity.KiwiInOz wrote:That might be true if you knew that tkmlac was prone to exaggeration, particularly about Ophelia et al. But, given that s/h/it has only made 7 posts to date on the SlymePit, I don't think that you have enough data to determine whether the author is serious in their claims.Steersman wrote: Hyperbole is defined as exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. When the exaggeration becomes the norm it loses its impact. And because there’s no base-line to define what constitutes exaggeration it tends to suggest that the author is serious in their claims.
One might argue that looks sort of like piling-on: one shot may be valid criticism; the same one from many people, particularly where there isn’t much credible justification for the shots in the first place, starts to look like bullying ….
Somewhat related to that I happened to run across a post by Stef McGraw while following some of the ElevatorGate threads. She’s talking about Bill Maher’s “mock-umentaryâ€, Religulous:
Mutatis mutandis ….Stef McGraw wrote:While I won’t go too far into the details of the movie, I would just like to share one thought I kept having while watching: Bill Maher, in the words of Phil Plait, needs to be less of a dick.
It’s one thing to criticize or poke fun at religion, but it’s another to seemingly nit-pick unrelated characteristics of religious people and use them in making your case. One instance where Maher creates this straw man is when in the on-screen commentary, he makes fun of a word someone uses for the purpose of making the point that they are stupid. While this was funny when he did it to the Arkansas Senator, in the instance to which I’m referring, it was to someone for whom English was obviously not their first language. This, to me, is just “being a dick,†and doesn’t make any substantive point about religion.
He creates straw men again when he talks to gay muslims and makes them uncomfortable by talking about sex acts, when he makes up fake texts in the on-screen commentary that a muslim cleric is supposedly receiving, and in the documentary’s general style of intermittently cutting to funny clips during interviews.
Maher makes some good points, but when this movie is so laced with condescension and straw men, it loses a lot of its credibility. Being that I’m an atheist and I think this, I can only imagine what a theist or someone on the fence would think of his methods.
“One ringy-dingy. Two ringy-dingies. ….†[Martin & Rowan’s Laugh-In; Lily Tomlin] :-)Like me, they might just be pulling the one with bells on it.
You mean, maybe sort of like … mob behaviour? ….(Of course tkmlac was piling on with the cool kids of the Pyt. He wants to get in with the chill girls)
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I am NOT franc's sock-puppet¹.TheMan wrote:Liar! It's clear I am Franc's sock puppet....Rystefn wrote:I'm not going to lie... I'm a franc sockpuppet.
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Chill girls have the best vaginas.
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A Wooly Bumblebee?Gumby wrote:OK, I admit it.
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You mean your conversation is heavily laden with gratuitous racist and sexist and ableist insults? I certainly didn’t notice that – I think you might be incorrectly inferring that I thought so; my comments were general observations.rayshul wrote:This is literally how I talk in the real world.Steersman wrote:But I really have to wonder about the increasing level of insults – and the related “piling-onâ€. If there isn’t an emotional response then it’s a waste of both time and effort, and if there is such a response then presumably they’re used in lieu of rational arguments and criticisms – neither stance being particularly credible. Maybe there’s some justification – sort of like the nuclear option – when rational debate has broken down, but I think it tends to be decidedly counterproductive – a pyrhric “victory†if it can be called that ….
And even if your conversation was or is so laden, I sort of suspect that you modify it depending on the circumstances and who you’re talking to … "when in Rome …."RESPEKT MAH CULTURE.
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Actually, I agree with you. I don't go in for the personal focus of some of our colleagues on the personas of others.Steersman wrote:KiwiInOz wrote:Steersman wrote:
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You mean, maybe sort of like … mob behaviour? ….
But I will assert my dog given right to take the piss, as and when necessary.
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^^This^^rayshul wrote:Chill girls have the best vaginas.
A thousand times this.
(Yes MKG, there is a time and place for everything, even ^^This^^)
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I dunno. In my day they were just called "frigid".KiwiInOz wrote:^^This^^rayshul wrote:Chill girls have the best vaginas.
A thousand times this.