Dick Strawkins wrote:Scented Nectar wrote:cunt wrote:Busted doing what? Making a bunch of shit jokes? Having zero comic timing? Sorry but that video was lame.
Busted doing the very thing he preaches against.
I almpst feel sorry for Peezus with this one.
That video was shot in late 2010. It wasn't until 8 months later at Elevatorgate that he became a lifelong feminist.
Was it sexist behavior?
That question is rather subjective.
In terms of adult, sex positive humor, it's more a case of a lack of comedic ability that outright sexism.
On the other hand feminism has two major strands, the sex positives (for example Greta Christina) and the sex negavitives (Ophelia, Taslima, skeptifem, etc)
In terms of sex negative feminism what Peezus did was a huge error.
They will look on this video and see it in a completely different light than the sex positives.
Sex negatives, as the name implies, will view any assumption of sex (and in particular heterosexual sex) as being potentially violating towards the wishes and feelings of the woman (the 'victim' in this case) - even if it is done in jest. They do not have a sense of humor about this subject.
For example they will ask: "What if this woman was a survivor of sexual assault? Wouldn't joking about having sex with her (and without asking permission) be triggering of her memories of her prior assault?"
They will also ask: "Would Peezus have made the same joke if it was a man who volunteered rather than a woman?"
I would suggest that these are reasonable objections - it is potentially distressing for someone to be joked about in a sexual manner, and, despite his supposed liberal views, it's hard to imagine that Peezus would make the same jokes with a man on stage - even a man he knew, like Laden - because these types of jokes he was aiming for are pretty much the tropes of college sex-positive, fratty humor.
In fact one of the major objections of the sex negatives towards skeptical meetings has been the 'fratboy' atmosphere of the meetings - and whatever you thought of the sexist or not sexist aspect of Peezus 'jokes', there is a clear 'fratboy' element to them that will have disgusted the sex negatives.
In fact you can tell that Ophelia is annoyed by it because she is doing exactly what she always does whenever someone on her side is exposed as a hypocrite.
She is absolutely ignoring the entire matter.
She has time for Justin Vaculas stupid comments (sorry Justin, but you made an arse of yourself with that needlework comment) but no time for explaining why Peezus wasn't sexist.
Her habit of doing this (picking up on any minor borderline transgression and writing a series of posts about it, but sticking her fingers in her ears, closing her eyes and going la-la-la, whenever one of her own side fucks up) is such a feature of her writing these days that you can use it as a reliable test of whether any particular action is seen as sexist to the sex negatives. A prime example is in the Mark Zuckerberg "I'm CEO, Bitch." post. Someone in the comments posted a link to the Peezus "It works, bitches" post and asked it Ophelia would like to criticize the sexism there too.
What do you think happened?
Ophelia: "Yes, that's sexist too but thankfully PZ has changed since then.
Straight down the memory hole.
By the way, back to the question of whether the action of Peezuz was sexist, does anyone have any question what the pharyngula horde - who now see no problem whatsoever of that behavior- would be saying if it wasn't Peezus up there making sex jokes, but was, in fact, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris?
Exactly my point. As far as PZ changing, yea he has changed into an extremist. I'm wondering if something didn't happen to cause him to flip on the feminism thing. For such a lame video the responses show us a few things about PZ and his followers. None of them good so far.FYI- PZ's bad comedic skills and timing aren't what I'm talking about