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Keating wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:08 am
I don’t think we’d be here without Christianity. What Christianity contains that Islam does not is the idea that the Mind of God is knowable. That’s where science, as we understand it, is birthed from. The early naturalists where interested in getting a better understanding of God, and studying His creation was one way to achieve that.

Islam short circuits that desire by also declaring itself to also be the last word. So, yes, Christianity does contain the seed of its own destruction in it. Add to that the two ultimate European wars and the collapse of Christianity there makes sense.
Certainly agree that Christianity has contributed a great deal, even if it looks like a mixed blessing.

But as your later comment - "Meanwhile Spain, by itself, translates more books into Spanish in a single year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century" - may have come from a New Atlantis article - Why the Arabic World Turned Away from Science - that I've quoted from thither & yon, it might be worthwhile quoting something else therefrom related to the different conceptions of gawd:
In its place arose the anti-rationalist Ash’ari school whose increasing dominance is linked to the decline of Arabic science. With the rise of the Ash’arites, the ethos in the Islamic world was increasingly opposed to original scholarship and any scientific inquiry that did not directly aid in religious regulation of private and public life. While the Mu’tazilites had contended that the Koran was created and so God’s purpose for man must be interpreted through reason, the Ash’arites believed the Koran to be coeval with God — and therefore unchallengeable. At the heart of Ash’ari metaphysics is the idea of occasionalism, a doctrine that denies natural causality. Put simply, it suggests natural necessity cannot exist because God’s will is completely free. Ash’arites believed that God is the only cause, so that the world is a series of discrete physical events each willed by God.
Rather profoundly antithetical to Einstein's "God doesn't play dice with the universe", and, maybe somewhat arguably, a large reason why Islamic science and the entire Islamic world is a freaking basket-case.
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The one thing I still don’t get is why that feeling of desolation spread to the entire anglosphere. The colonies should have been more immune to that.
Interesting question, though I expect the proverbial "Death of God" is more deeply felt by those who invested most heavily in the concept.

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Amohpmyl wrote:
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And I'm STILL waiting for an answer to how you think Swiss people would react to gang rapes by an immigrant population as seen all over the UK if it happened in, say, Interlaken.

Still no answer?
"Amohpmyl"? :lol: Turned your "lymphoma" around, have you? (I hope). ;-)

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When you take away magic from a society it's real fucking hard to control them and give them a shared vision without dropping a whole bunch of shit in there.
Collectives will always want aspirational organising principles that provide meaning. Tolerance of jihadists, self hate and the other associated décollage of applied secular liberalism just doesn’t cut it.

Of course Cultural Christianity is far better than the glamour shots of Communism and National Socialism.

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My mum and sister still regularly attend church servies. Both are mild believers find discussion of religion to be impolite. (So I don't tend to press them on it).

The most common complaint that my mum has is the over-shilling for donations (which are now organised as regular monthly payments, rather than by passing the plate). And that there is not enough white people there.

I'm not sure if they are getting a sense of community or a reassurrance that there is some type of order to the world.

In any case, I don't think I'll be going back anytime soon - it is mind numbingly boring, and I don't much appreicate the liberal sermanising from the pulpit.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: <snip>

I’m curious though why you immediately equate any response to genocide. It could be mistaken for well poisoning. The equivalent of instinctively crying “Nazi”.
I don't think you are promoting genocide.

I think, however, that you are going down the path that leads to "population transfers", to borrow a term often used by another person who frequently posts here.
LoL. Now who might that be?

Kirbmarc wrote: This is an argument used to justify the "population transfers".
Sometimes the draconian solution is the only one on the table. Seem to recollect you weighed-in on a conversation I started with Iona Italia (?) on Popper's paradox of tolerance quote, but you may not have seen someone's larger quote of the passage, and Iona's response. But you may wish to reflect on it, particularly its relevance to Islam:
Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”
Hard to imagine a more intolerant, barbaric, and psychotic ideology than Islam; it should be extirpated, root and fucking branch.

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rayshul wrote:
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Maybe not keeping Britain white, but keeping it Christian seems like it's okay. The whole atheist movement was deeply misguided in the idea that people could be good without god. It's clear that in the absence of god they head for communism and other psycho shit.
Like such famous communist countries as Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, France?

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Kirb, I assume you wouldn’t quibble over the use of “population transfers” in the context of bipartisan enforced massive immigration flows? Especially when polls almost always show old stock resistance to these policies ....

Or does the term lack nuance?


There's a lot of difference between letting in people who want to come (and that you should screen to see who can adapt and thrive) and kicking out people who don't want to leave (especially if it's just on the basis of who they are, not what they've done).
It does seem to be a highly suspect and problematic article of faith with you that the members of a group don't have any collective responsibility for the consequences of the ideology they condone and promote.

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feathers wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:14 am
rayshul wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:49 pm
Maybe not keeping Britain white, but keeping it Christian seems like it's okay. The whole atheist movement was deeply misguided in the idea that people could be good without god. It's clear that in the absence of god they head for communism and other psycho shit.
Like such famous communist countries as Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, France?
Yeah. This is getting ridiculous. The country with the highest percentage of non religious people is the Czech Republic, which is a highly anti-communist country today, since communist is associated with the oppressive regime of the past.

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Steersman wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Kirb, I assume you wouldn’t quibble over the use of “population transfers” in the context of bipartisan enforced massive immigration flows? Especially when polls almost always show old stock resistance to these policies ....

Or does the term lack nuance?


There's a lot of difference between letting in people who want to come (and that you should screen to see who can adapt and thrive) and kicking out people who don't want to leave (especially if it's just on the basis of who they are, not what they've done).
It does seem to be a highly suspect and problematic article of faith with you that the members of a group don't have any collective responsibility for the consequences of the ideology they condone and promote.


So Steers, tell me how you would have handled post-WWII Germany. Pretty much all the people who worked for the government or had served in the army were associated with the Nazi party. Would you have exiled all of them from Germany to some other country where they had never lived?

Collective guilt is one of the basis of authoritarianism.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
feathers wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:14 am
rayshul wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:49 pm
Maybe not keeping Britain white, but keeping it Christian seems like it's okay. The whole atheist movement was deeply misguided in the idea that people could be good without god. It's clear that in the absence of god they head for communism and other psycho shit.
Like such famous communist countries as Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, France?
Yeah. This is getting ridiculous. The country with the highest percentage of non religious people is the Czech Republic, which is a highly anti-communist country today, since communist is associated with the oppressive regime of the past.
This lack of reading comprehension is ridiculous.

and other psycho shit.

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Brive1987 wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:10 am
Kirbmarc wrote:
feathers wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:14 am
rayshul wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:49 pm
Maybe not keeping Britain white, but keeping it Christian seems like it's okay. The whole atheist movement was deeply misguided in the idea that people could be good without god. It's clear that in the absence of god they head for communism and other psycho shit.
Like such famous communist countries as Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, France?
Yeah. This is getting ridiculous. The country with the highest percentage of non religious people is the Czech Republic, which is a highly anti-communist country today, since communist is associated with the oppressive regime of the past.
This lack of reading comprehension is ridiculous.

and other psycho shit.
More hand waving of evidence that runs contrary to the narrative,just like when you hand-waved deep social changes that happened in a relatively quick time as "fadism".

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:20 am
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:51 am
Speaking of citizenship, the useless excuse of a government department that calls itself the UK Home Office, after allowing hundreds of murderous terrorist scum to return from fighting for ISIS in Syria & Iraq and who also allowed themselves to be completely duped into letting bearded 30 something fighting fit men to enter the country on the pretence that they are 13 year old boys has now decided it would be great idea to go after pensioners who came here as children of Caribbean settlers in the 1950's. What's known as the Windrush generation (after the ship they sailed on) Threatening them with deportation and cuts in pension and benefit rights if they can't prove their British Citizenship.
I'll bet Amber Rudd's fingerprints are all over this.
May's grubbier fingerprints certainly are. She was Home Secretary when the policies that caused this were introduced.
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Germany, Sweden, France, Italy, Greece, Britain .. Drip, Drip, Drip.


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Kirbmarc wrote:
More hand waving of evidence that runs contrary to the narrative,just like when you hand-waved deep social changes that happened in a relatively quick time as "fadism".
Nature abhors a vacuum. Collectives will always adopt a narrative with which to organise reality. Tear down one scaffold and another will rise. The West appears to be thrashing about between states, seeking meaning in fads and ‘isms.

Btw I can’t simply forget that you pontificate from the security of a safe ethno-society.

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d4m10n wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:46 pm
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:57 pm
Amohpmyl wrote: Also, the 'boons have not really been up to giving us any good gagworthy lulz recently. No myers, zvan, christina hilarity has come our way in a long time. :cry: :cry: :cry:
Even Orbit Con was just pure cringe, with half their views coming from the 'pit. If they were any less relevant, they'd be non-existent.

Silverman provided a bit of schadenfreude, but that's it. I'm impressed that Vacula hasn't publicly gotten in some licks.
He's been having a laugh, no doubt. #VaculaMustDenounce

On point, we have audio in which David Silverman makes it clear that he considers "believe the victim" to be the appropriate response in these situations.



For the impatient, just scroll to halfway into the video.
Funny how Silverman blames incidents like "Roy Moore" on that fact that he and his supporters are Christian. He specifically claims that Christians are more likely to do terrible things and cover them up while... in the mean time... his own behavior is entirely vile. While I like Hitchens and have read the book, the idea that "Religion Poisons Everything" just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If this were true we would see some kind of identifiable difference between religious and non-religious groups. I am not seeing it. The non-religious look to be as vile, dishonest, and abusive as any other group.... at least when the fall into tribal groups.

When I was more active in the "atheist" movement all I wanted was for religious people to think that atheist where about the same as them.... no better... no worse... just regular people who happen to not believe in god. But... no... the leaders of atheist organizations decided that atheists must be better than the religious. That religion makes people bad... and that atheists are way way better than religious people. Well shit. Now they are all being found to be liars and hypocrites. Haha. I hate to say that I told you so......

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Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
More hand waving of evidence that runs contrary to the narrative,just like when you hand-waved deep social changes that happened in a relatively quick time as "fadism".
Nature abhors a vacuum. Collectives will always adopt a narrative with which to organise reality. Tear down one scaffold and another will rise. The West appears to be thrashing about between states, seeking meaning in fads and ‘isms.

Btw I can’t simply forget that you pontificate from the security of a safe ethno-society.
Kirbo will never accept your point, not even when he's having to fight off the goat fuckers with a Victorinox, while mounted on a bicycle.

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I come armed with truth.

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Amohpmyl wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
More hand waving of evidence that runs contrary to the narrative,just like when you hand-waved deep social changes that happened in a relatively quick time as "fadism".
Nature abhors a vacuum. Collectives will always adopt a narrative with which to organise reality. Tear down one scaffold and another will rise. The West appears to be thrashing about between states, seeking meaning in fads and ‘isms.

Btw I can’t simply forget that you pontificate from the security of a safe ethno-society.
Kirbo will never accept your point, not even when he's having to fight off the goat fuckers with a Victorinox, while mounted on a bicycle.
Kirb is moving to Wales?

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katamari Damassi wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: The British elite are turning the Islamification of the nation into an irreversible fait accompli before enough of the people wake up. Please tell me I am wrong and that I'm being alarmist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcoDJB2kP7w
Britain will truly be lost when you have muslims in the upper echelons of its military.
Seems to me that the best way to be inclusive is not to lie about how the military will care about your feelings. It's to promote the idea that you can join an elite highly honored club if you can do the job.

The youtube comments on these military videos are the best...
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Amohpmyl wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:28 am
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
More hand waving of evidence that runs contrary to the narrative,just like when you hand-waved deep social changes that happened in a relatively quick time as "fadism".
Nature abhors a vacuum. Collectives will always adopt a narrative with which to organise reality. Tear down one scaffold and another will rise. The West appears to be thrashing about between states, seeking meaning in fads and ‘isms.

Btw I can’t simply forget that you pontificate from the security of a safe ethno-society.
Kirbo will never accept your point, not even when he's having to fight off the goat fuckers with a Victorinox, while mounted on a bicycle.
I already fight conservative and reactionary Muslim "community leaders" in real life. I have noc criminal record, contribute to the Swiss community, vote in elections, have circles of friends outside the Turkish dispora bubble, have good relationships with my neighbors. THAT is what counted for "Swiss values" when it came to earning my Swiss citizenship.

But yes, Switzerland (four languages, lots of cultural differences) is an ethno-society, which would never give citizenship to a non-white person. I'm secretly an Aryan blond guy and I never noticed!

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Good job no one left any rotten porcupines lying around
or they might have used them as a weapon.

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Yes Kirb. 70K of the 1.9 million foreign residents (2013) were Turkish. Compared to almost 600K German and Italian.

That kinda proves the point. Your personal exceptional, and no doubt commendable, experience not withstanding.

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Brive1987 wrote: Yes Kirb. 70K of the 1.9 million foreign residents (2013) were Turkish. Compared to almost 600K German and Italian.

That kinda proves the point. Your personal exceptional, and no doubt commendable, experience not withstanding.
You usually get more immigrants from the countries that are close to yours.

The US get far more immigration from Mexico than from South Africa.

Exceptions to this rule, like the UK, are countries that had (or were part) of a colonial empire. That's why Algerians go to France and Indians and Pakistanis go to the UK.

Some countries have less strict integration requirements than Switzerland. This, along with other factors, might be why the countries which failed at integration have more problems.

(We don't have Saudi lobbies or Saudi-friendly political think-tanks, either, and we're neutral. That helps)

But please, tell me again that Switzerland is an ethno-state. I've shown this to a friend, and he's been laughing for ten minutes.

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The “my friend laughs” rebuttal was a cruel joker to play so early in the round.

I think your point is a bit simplistic. Yes you may get more migrants from nearby. But 1.5 million Europeans from 1.7m foreign residents is a remarkable achievement.

It’s also intriguing that during the migrant crisis the stream of humanity forgot to turn left into the cantons. Despite .....
Switzerland also has the highest Potential Net Migration Index of any European country by a large margin, at +150% (followed by Sweden at +78%) according to a 2010 Gallup study; this means that out of an estimated 700 millon potential migrants worldwide, about 12 million (150% of Swiss resident population) would name Switzerland as their most desired country of residence.[4]

The imperial line is a tad naff. Sweden and Germany must rue their imperial past. And the French sub Saharan hegemony has proved bitter indeed. Of course India and China literally abut Australia.

Re “some countries may have stricter integration ... “. :lol: :lol:

I wholly applaud your approach. You let culturally aligned residents in to boost your economy, you erect defence in depth to forestall citizenship and you have as a benchmark tests that adjudicate not the potential to integrate into the host culture but rather demonstrated integration over a decade.

Oh bravo. Civic nationalism redefined.

Literally.

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Sweden and Germany have followedd open borders policies. Sweden is as close to a SJW country as possible. German elites wanted to prove to the world that they were done with the Nazi past.

The open borders policies weren't well thought out.

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Brive1987 wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:54 am
Yes Kirb. 70K of the 1.9 million foreign residents (2013) were Turkish. Compared to almost 600K German and Italian.

That kinda proves the point. Your personal exceptional, and no doubt commendable, experience not withstanding.
Seems to me that the integration problem is different depending on the number of people from certain groups coming into a country, and past expectations.

The US has about 2 million immigrants from Africa. A significant number, but a small part of the total 50 million blacks in the country. Many of the black immigrants come from, Nigeria. I work with a Nigerian guy who I really like. He is educated and funny and hardworking and a family man....and.... while I may sound racist... I will also say that I notice how different he is from most of the other blacks I know.

So, I wonder. What is it like for him to feel integrated? I don't suspect he naturally fits into the current black minority culture. There are so few people in the US who came from Nigeria. Maybe one day we will talk about it. I would love to know what he thinks about racism in America. I don't know him well enough to talk about this topic.

Anyway... part of my point that adds to this convo is the fact the small numbers of minorities are much more easily absorbed into the local culture. I love the example of Jimmy Hendrix. The dood was from Seattle. He was just about the only black guy there. His experience as a black was way different than most in America. His experience was pretty unique which contributed to his style. Anyway... just rambling I guess.

A further story... that is really just a story. My wife worked with a young woman in the 1980s who was from Zimbabwe. She was really interesting as she was from a rather wealthy family who sent her to the US to live with an uncle and go to school. Most of her friends where white.... possibly because she was not a typical American black. Anyway... haha.... when she was choosing what school to go to in the Detroit area she first thought about going to Wayne State. But, she had read in the paper that black students were protesting the racism at Wayne and so she decided to go to Lawrence Tech. Well... the reason there was no protesting at Lawrence Tech is because it is an engineering school and there are almost no blacks going there. I tried to explain this to her, but she was determined. Haha. Anyway, she probably enjoyed Lawrence better anyway.

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Ghettoization is a big hurdle to integration. If there's a separate sub-culture with their own "community leaders", their own entertainment, their own sources of information, their own judiciary, their own political and social movements, of course thry're not going to integrate.

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John D wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:54 am
Yes Kirb. 70K of the 1.9 million foreign residents (2013) were Turkish. Compared to almost 600K German and Italian.

That kinda proves the point. Your personal exceptional, and no doubt commendable, experience not withstanding.
Seems to me that the integration problem is different depending on the number of people from certain groups coming into a country, and past expectations.

The US has about 2 million immigrants from Africa. A significant number, but a small part of the total 50 million blacks in the country. Many of the black immigrants come from, Nigeria. I work with a Nigerian guy who I really like. He is educated and funny and hardworking and a family man....and.... while I may sound racist... I will also say that I notice how different he is from most of the other blacks I know.

So, I wonder. What is it like for him to feel integrated? I don't suspect he naturally fits into the current black minority culture. There are so few people in the US who came from Nigeria. Maybe one day we will talk about it. I would love to know what he thinks about racism in America. I don't know him well enough to talk about this topic.

Anyway... part of my point that adds to this convo is the fact the small numbers of minorities are much more easily absorbed into the local culture. I love the example of Jimmy Hendrix. The dood was from Seattle. He was just about the only black guy there. His experience as a black was way different than most in America. His experience was pretty unique which contributed to his style. Anyway... just rambling I guess.

A further story... that is really just a story. My wife worked with a young woman in the 1980s who was from Zimbabwe. She was really interesting as she was from a rather wealthy family who sent her to the US to live with an uncle and go to school. Most of her friends where white.... possibly because she was not a typical American black. Anyway... haha.... when she was choosing what school to go to in the Detroit area she first thought about going to Wayne State. But, she had read in the paper that black students were protesting the racism at Wayne and so she decided to go to Lawrence Tech. Well... the reason there was no protesting at Lawrence Tech is because it is an engineering school and there are almost no blacks going there. I tried to explain this to her, but she was determined. Haha. Anyway, she probably enjoyed Lawrence better anyway.
I used to know a woman from Trinidad who would not date black american men. Her boyfriends were either white or, like her they were from the islands. When I asked her why that was, she said that culturally; she had nothing in common with them.

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John D wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:26 am
Brive1987 wrote:
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Yes Kirb. 70K of the 1.9 million foreign residents (2013) were Turkish. Compared to almost 600K German and Italian.

That kinda proves the point. Your personal exceptional, and no doubt commendable, experience not withstanding.
Seems to me that the integration problem is different depending on the number of people from certain groups coming into a country, and past expectations.

The US has about 2 million immigrants from Africa. A significant number, but a small part of the total 50 million blacks in the country. Many of the black immigrants come from, Nigeria. I work with a Nigerian guy who I really like. He is educated and funny and hardworking and a family man....and.... while I may sound racist... I will also say that I notice how different he is from most of the other blacks I know.

So, I wonder. What is it like for him to feel integrated? I don't suspect he naturally fits into the current black minority culture. There are so few people in the US who came from Nigeria. Maybe one day we will talk about it. I would love to know what he thinks about racism in America. I don't know him well enough to talk about this topic.

Anyway... part of my point that adds to this convo is the fact the small numbers of minorities are much more easily absorbed into the local culture. I love the example of Jimmy Hendrix. The dood was from Seattle. He was just about the only black guy there. His experience as a black was way different than most in America. His experience was pretty unique which contributed to his style. Anyway... just rambling I guess.

A further story... that is really just a story. My wife worked with a young woman in the 1980s who was from Zimbabwe. She was really interesting as she was from a rather wealthy family who sent her to the US to live with an uncle and go to school. Most of her friends where white.... possibly because she was not a typical American black. Anyway... haha.... when she was choosing what school to go to in the Detroit area she first thought about going to Wayne State. But, she had read in the paper that black students were protesting the racism at Wayne and so she decided to go to Lawrence Tech. Well... the reason there was no protesting at Lawrence Tech is because it is an engineering school and there are almost no blacks going there. I tried to explain this to her, but she was determined. Haha. Anyway, she probably enjoyed Lawrence better anyway.
You are very lucky with your Nigerians. Ours have taken over the Central area of the city, which used to be characterful and clean with lots of historical buildings. Central now features Nigerian drug dealers, muggers, numerous little piles of garbage everywhere staining the streets and lots and lots of very loud noise. West Africans don't seem able to drive anywhere unless the stereo is loosening the engine mountings and blowing windows out. Standard weekend practice is to park on the street outside, crank up the boom-boom diddly-bop music and open the car doors. For the homebodies the idea is to open all of the flat windows just in case the pensioner three streets down is missing out on the musical fun. I wouldn't even call the foreigners here immigrants because that seems to me to imply some sort of procedure or process to the movement of people. The rest of Africa just seems to be randomly teleporting here.

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There's a word for Nigerians that behave like that...

...Cunts!

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An ex just unfriended me because I argued that Obama was not a liberal but center right president.
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katamari Damassi wrote: An ex just unfriended me because I argued that Obama was not a liberal but center right president.
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Christ on a bike, people are 'tards. You're better off without contacts like that...

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Fuck me. Terry Firma writes a piece at TFA, annoyed that some cunt at the New Yorker (okay, they're all cunts at the New Yorker) threw a hissy fit cuz Chic-Fil-A is allowed open stores in Manhattan, thus defiling its SocJus purity.

And of course Hemant's Hordeling are having a melt-down cuz Firma is literally murdering gays. Oh, and they're also suggesting the city should indeed ban Chic-Fil-A.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... -cry-foul/

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Amohpmyl wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote: An ex just unfriended me because I argued that Obama was not a liberal but center right president.
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Christ on a bike, people are 'tards. You're better off without contacts like that...
Weren't we just talking about religion being replaced by ersatz religion? Well, you still need a deity to worship.

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katamari Damassi wrote: An ex just unfriended me because I argued that Obama was not a liberal but center right president.
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Well, you were right. In Europe Obama would be more or less in the same position of Merkel, and she's a conservative.

But in the US there's only a center right and a far right.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:04 am
Steersman wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: <snip>

There's a lot of difference between letting in people who want to come (and that you should screen to see who can adapt and thrive) and kicking out people who don't want to leave (especially if it's just on the basis of who they are, not what they've done).
It does seem to be a highly suspect and problematic article of faith with you that the members of a group don't have any collective responsibility for the consequences of the ideology they condone and promote.

So Steers, tell me how you would have handled post-WWII Germany. Pretty much all the people who worked for the government or had served in the army were associated with the Nazi party. Would you have exiled all of them from Germany to some other country where they had never lived?

Collective guilt is one of the basis of authoritarianism.
LoL. Nice strawman there Kirb, and nice bit of motivated reasoning to boot. Not at all the same kettles of fish, and it does you no credit at all to try sweeping the fundamental differences under the carpet.

For one thing, while Islam is like Nazism in being a political ideology, it is also a particularly barbaric & psychotic "religion" which is more or less hermetically sealed against any and all efforts at reform or secularization. As commendable as your efforts on that front are, it really looks like pissing against the wind - being charitable.

In addition, that "religion" more or less rejects - and rather violently at that - the basic Enlightenment principles & values of western democracies - and democracy itself. Principles and values, one might reasonably argue, that the defeat of Germany led them to recognize as the writing on the wall, and to root out other values antithetical to them. You really think that "moderate" Muslims - in general - are really prepared to do that? If you do then, as they say, I have a bridge or two for you - cheap.

You might reflect on a bit more of Popper:
In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.


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No cause-and-effect there at all, eh? Nothing in the way of "stochastic terrorism"?

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MarcusAu wrote: There's a word for Nigerians that behave like that...

...Cunts!
Or, analogously, niggers ... ;-)

Somewhat apropos of which (have I used up my allotment on that yet Matt? ;-) ):
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Middle Eastern crime clans now control large swathes of German cities and towns — areas that are effectively lawless and which German police increasingly fear to approach. The crime families, which have thousands of members, have for decades been allowed operate with virtual impunity: German judges and prosecutors were unable or unwilling to stop them, apparently out of fear of retribution.

"The police cannot win a war with the Lebanese because we outnumber them." — Criminal clan members to Gelsenkirchen Police Chief Ralf Feldmann.

Peter Biesenbach, now Justice Minister of North Rhine-Westphalia, had repeatedly called for an official inquiry to determine the scope of clan activity. Those pleas had been rejected by his predecessor, because such a study would be politically incorrect. ...
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https://www.ladysmithchronicle.com/news ... og-saliva/
Boy bitten by dog that had recently been vaccinated for rabies becomes weredog. Thank Dog a naturopath was able to cure the boy by administering a tincture made from the saliva of a rabid dog.

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ERV wrote: BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN


BENIGN!!!!!
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Starbucks is going to shut all its branches in the US for "racial bias" training. Gesture politics at its emptiest!!

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Thibeault and some other guy talk about Steven Universe, while looking exactly like the kind of dudes who spend their Saturday evening Skyping about a cartoon. No wonder Thibeault caught that rape accusation.


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Amohpmyl wrote: Starbucks is going to shut all its branches in the US for "racial bias" training. Gesture politics at its emptiest!!
They don't have much of a choice. They need to bullet proof themselves on this.

Personally I'd like to see more table hogs escorted out. It'd be nice to be able to find a table when I buy a coffee and sandwich.

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Really? wrote: Thibeault and some other guy talk about Steven Universe, while looking exactly like the kind of dudes who spend their Saturday evening Skyping about a cartoon. No wonder Thibeault caught that rape accusation.

Steven Universe: Three space lesbians teach a developmentally disabled child that he can solve his problems by using violence.

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Sweet...just off the coast from me. My dad used to work with targets at that base.

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The ever reasonable Noel "Born to be mild" Plum continues to ruffle the feathers of Peezus...



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Steersman wrote: For one thing, while Islam is like Nazism in being a political ideology, it is also a particularly barbaric & psychotic "religion" which is more or less hermetically sealed against any and all efforts at reform or secularization. As commendable as your efforts on that front are, it really looks like pissing against the wind - being charitable.
Because Nazism, on the other hand, has such redeeming value. I was being deliberately hyperbolic by playing the Godwin card (islam, for all its flaws, has more room for variety than Nazism, and for "alternative interpretations" of the bad parts while focusing on the good parts, at least in theory), but I should have known that nothing can stop the Steerminator. :bjarte:

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Well for all it's faults National Socialism was a product of Western Civilisation - so by that logic it must be preserved.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Fuck me. Terry Firma writes a piece at TFA, annoyed that some cunt at the New Yorker (okay, they're all cunts at the New Yorker) threw a hissy fit cuz Chic-Fil-A is allowed open stores in Manhattan, thus defiling its SocJus purity.

And of course Hemant's Hordeling are having a melt-down cuz Firma is literally murdering gays. Oh, and they're also suggesting the city should indeed ban Chic-Fil-A.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... -cry-foul/
The view from a "capitalist 1%er, red state, chicken eating, cow expert", Larry Correia ... :bjarte:

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MarcusAu wrote:
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Well for all it's faults National Socialism was a product of Western Civilisation - so by that logic it must be preserved.

So much output to tenderly curate.


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free thoughtpolice wrote: https://www.ladysmithchronicle.com/news ... og-saliva/
Boy bitten by dog that had recently been vaccinated for rabies becomes weredog. Thank Dog a naturopath was able to cure the boy by administering a tincture made from the saliva of a rabid dog.
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

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DW Adams wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: https://www.ladysmithchronicle.com/news ... og-saliva/
Boy bitten by dog that had recently been vaccinated for rabies becomes weredog. Thank Dog a naturopath was able to cure the boy by administering a tincture made from the saliva of a rabid dog.

The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
They must have taken it down. From a different source:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4622494

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Pseudomonas wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Fuck me. Terry Firma writes a piece at TFA, annoyed that some cunt at the New Yorker (okay, they're all cunts at the New Yorker) threw a hissy fit cuz Chic-Fil-A is allowed open stores in Manhattan, thus defiling its SocJus purity.

And of course Hemant's Hordeling are having a melt-down cuz Firma is literally murdering gays. Oh, and they're also suggesting the city should indeed ban Chic-Fil-A.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... -cry-foul/
The view from a "capitalist 1%er, red state, chicken eating, cow expert", Larry Correia ... :bjarte:

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I liked that article. I read his about me, and that was great too. Maybe I should read his books.

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Stankeye wrote:
Pseudomonas wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Fuck me. Terry Firma writes a piece at TFA, annoyed that some cunt at the New Yorker (okay, they're all cunts at the New Yorker) threw a hissy fit cuz Chic-Fil-A is allowed open stores in Manhattan, thus defiling its SocJus purity.

And of course Hemant's Hordeling are having a melt-down cuz Firma is literally murdering gays. Oh, and they're also suggesting the city should indeed ban Chic-Fil-A.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... -cry-foul/
The view from a "capitalist 1%er, red state, chicken eating, cow expert", Larry Correia ... :bjarte:

Pseudomonas
I liked that article. I read his about me, and that was great too. Maybe I should read his books.
He lost me when he blamed Bill Clinton for him not joining the military.


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Barbara Bush died (see previous post)

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