Fuck off, Jamie!

[comhcinc]

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!

MWSnap105 2018-07-12, 20_44_02.jpg


Well that's a relief!


Said the Bishop to the Lordess....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44805627

But they are all wearing dresses...

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Also, this:

https://www-pinknews-co-uk.cdn.ampproje ... TION_6.jpg

https://www-pinknews-co-uk.cdn.ampproje ... 50x433.jpg

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/11/t ... marks/amp/

Outside of the relationships, I don't really have an issue with that. Telling people that they have to date a trans person otherwise they are horrible people I am not okay with.

I could've sworn you said you'd clobber any dude following your daughter into a restroom under the guise of being a Mucato, I mean woman. My memory must be slipping. Age and dain bramage.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Looks like this place is dying, doesn't it?

Well, we've certainly lost a lot of posters, some good and some otherwise. I suspect some may come back when Little Paul's book either surfaces or he furiously backpedals and swears there was never no mention of no book, pinky-swears.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Looks like this place is dying, doesn't it?

Well, we've certainly lost a lot of posters, some good and some otherwise. I suspect some may come back when Little Paul's book either surfaces or he furiously backpedals and swears there was never no mention of no book, pinky-swears.

Don't forget Becky Whatnot is considering writing a book too. Though she is likely on a timetable for publication which would make even Heina Dadhaboy think she's slacking a bit.

[comhcinc]

I could've sworn you said you'd clobber any dude following your daughter into a restroom under the guise of being a Mucato, I mean woman. My memory must be slipping. Age and dain bramage.

Nope, your memory is correct if a little incomplete.


I still maintain if a hairy man in a dress tries to go into the bathroom behind one of my daughters I will stop them by physical force if necessary.


If on the other hand this person:
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/20 ... 564&crop=1

Or

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY5SgGJVMAIJ_bC.jpg

Or fuck even

https://hips.hearstapps.com/ell.h-cdn.c ... resize=480:*

was coming in I probably would not even notice. Which is the point of transitioning.

I know some trans people. One of my best friends in RL is one. They don't like this cray cray no matter what I look like and how little I do I am a women shit either. They have to work very to blend into normal everyday life and those people should have the right to be left the hell alone and live the life they want.

[MarcusAu]

...

I still maintain if a hairy man in a dress tries to go into the bathroom behind one of my daughters I will stop them by physical force if necessary.

...

This anti-Scottish bigotry is a step too far!

[comhcinc]

...

I still maintain if a hairy man in a dress tries to go into the bathroom behind one of my daughters I will stop them by physical force if necessary.

...

This anti-Scottish bigotry is a step too far!

My boss is a Scotsman. I have never seen him in a dress but he does carry a gun.


...I might have to rethink this.

[Shatterface]

Spot the difference:

In the first one, I read the story of a college teacher getting fired for taking adult photos. In the second I am told the woman "was a man baby" and that was the focus of the story. Both had pictures of the person in question.

The part I'm finding hardest to understand is how a 60 year old transwoman became a single parent of an 11 year old. Father at 49 and then transition?

49 seems like an irresponsible age to have a kid.


I found the first story written better. It was concise and gave me all the information I needed.

The first version was just someone being sacked for breaching their terms and conditions.

The second was about someone whining that they were the victim of transphobia, and only did a porn video because someone shouted at them from a van.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/744741002? ... ssion=true
Black Lives Matter get results from the police, at the slight cost of a few hundred black lives.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/744741002? ... ssion=true
Black Lives Matter get results from the police, at the slight cost of a few hundred black lives.

Yes, but before it was police killing an handful of common criminals who were resisting arrest. Now it's common criminals killing each other.

Either way, stop thinking and repeat after me: cops be racist. (Even the two blacks indicted in the Freddie Gray case.)

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

I could've sworn you said you'd clobber any dude following your daughter into a restroom under the guise of being a Mucato, I mean woman. My memory must be slipping. Age and dain bramage.

Nope, your memory is correct if a little incomplete.


I still maintain if a hairy man in a dress tries to go into the bathroom behind one of my daughters I will stop them by physical force if necessary.


If on the other hand this person:
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/20 ... 564&crop=1

Or

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY5SgGJVMAIJ_bC.jpg

Or fuck even

https://hips.hearstapps.com/ell.h-cdn.c ... resize=480:*

was coming in I probably would not even notice. Which is the point of transitioning.

I know some trans people. One of my best friends in RL is one. They don't like this cray cray no matter what I look like and how little I do I am a women shit either. They have to work very to blend into normal everyday life and those people should have the right to be left the hell alone and live the life they want.

I remember back in the late 70s, there was this campaign for us kids to "be happy with the skin you're in." It made a lot of sense, and really helped to reduce the racism in my all-white, racist little town. But it really applied to all sorts of things, and sex/gender was one of them. Rather than pretending you're something you're not, you do the best with what you've got. I suppose there are some instances of gender euphoria so real that they've just gotta transition. But now that it's the cause du jour, instead of treating it like a serious mental illness, we're celebrating it. Worse, they're piggybacking it into gay rights, which is a serious disservice to the gay/lesbian cause, at least from my vantage. A lot of people that were finally ready to accept gays find the Zinnia and Riley types a bit hard to swallow.

Alright, I gagged on my on pun. Crap, did it again.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I still maintain if a hairy man in a dress tries to go into the bathroom behind one of my daughters I will stop them by physical force if necessary.


If on the other hand this person:

[an obvious dude]

Or

[an obvious dude]

Or fuck even

[a giant undead alien praying mantis]

was coming in I probably would not even notice. Which is the point of transitioning.

I know some trans people. One of my best friends in RL is one. They don't like this cray cray no matter what I look like and how little I do I am a women shit either. They have to work very to blend into normal everyday life and those people should have the right to be left the hell alone and live the life they want.

Most trans do wish to keep a low profile and just get on with their lives. Unfortunately, the transradicals -- self-proclaimed spokeszim for the 'community' -- are mostly autogynephiles and all complete fucking narcissists.

But seriously, man, by all means bang the first two, but those are dudes. Stay clear of Wu -- you'd catch xenonose Scrapie or something.

[comhcinc]

I tell ya. Chris Ray Gun really does a good job with this "seating in front of a camera talking shit" style of a youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQzkKmr-rks

If he shaves a little and put on a dress I might bang him, and his girlfriend,

[Ape+lust]

Wow :shock:

https://i.imgur.com/w47IYSw.jpg

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/t ... -deal-off/

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Wow :shock:

https://i.imgur.com/w47IYSw.jpg

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/t ... -deal-off/

Two outa three ain't bad.

[Shatterface]

I remember back in the late 70s, there was this campaign for us kids to "be happy with the skin you're in." It made a lot of sense, and really helped to reduce the racism in my all-white, racist little town. But it really applied to all sorts of things, and sex/gender was one of them. Rather than pretending you're something you're not, you do the best with what you've got. I suppose there are some instances of gender euphoria so real that they've just gotta transition. But now that it's the cause du jour, instead of treating it like a serious mental illness, we're celebrating it. Worse, they're piggybacking it into gay rights, which is a serious disservice to the gay/lesbian cause, at least from my vantage. A lot of people that were finally ready to accept gays find the Zinnia and Riley types a bit hard to swallow.

Alright, I gagged on my on pun. Crap, did it again.

I was reading an interview with a teacher recently from a school where 18 kids recently 'came out ' trans. Given how rare genuine gender dysphoria is the chances of such a cluster existing is extremely slim.

That suggests that we shouldn't be looking at the rise in transgenderism as something afflicting individuals but as a form of social contagion occurring in a peer group that is amplified by well-meaning but credulous and incompetent professional bodies - just like the satanic abuse hoax was.

To believe that this rise is a reflection of a deep-seated mismatch between sex and gender in hundreds of kids is about as convincing as attributing the Tanganyeka laughter epidemic to thousands of kids simultaneously stumbling onto something that was genuinely funny.

[free thoughtpolice]

Wow :shock:

https://i.imgur.com/w47IYSw.jpg

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/t ... -deal-off/

It's about time that Trump got tough one those lime sucking parasites that have been stealing America's wealth for hundreds of years. I say the Don should present a bill for a trillion $ and get those UKers to pay up.

[free thoughtpolice]

I remember back in the late 70s, there was this campaign for us kids to "be happy with the skin you're in." It made a lot of sense, and really helped to reduce the racism in my all-white, racist little town. But it really applied to all sorts of things, and sex/gender was one of them. Rather than pretending you're something you're not, you do the best with what you've got. I suppose there are some instances of gender euphoria so real that they've just gotta transition. But now that it's the cause du jour, instead of treating it like a serious mental illness, we're celebrating it. Worse, they're piggybacking it into gay rights, which is a serious disservice to the gay/lesbian cause, at least from my vantage. A lot of people that were finally ready to accept gays find the Zinnia and Riley types a bit hard to swallow.

Alright, I gagged on my on pun. Crap, did it again.

I was reading an interview with a teacher recently from a school where 18 kids recently 'came out ' trans. Given how rare genuine gender dysphoria is the chances of such a cluster existing is extremely slim.

That suggests that we shouldn't be looking at the rise in transgenderism as something afflicting individuals but as a form of social contagion occurring in a peer group that is amplified by well-meaning but credulous and incompetent professional bodies - just like the satanic abuse hoax was.

To believe that this rise is a reflection of a deep-seated mismatch between sex and gender in hundreds of kids is about as convincing as attributing the Tanganyeka laughter epidemic to thousands of kids simultaneously stumbling onto something that was genuinely funny.

I remember the satanic panic that happened in the 80s and 90s. The same sort of lost souls, neurotics , and mentally ill people that get sucked into a claim of some trendy malady designed to gain attention and sympathy.

These people now are not only possessed by demons and amateur actors that failed the Nicolas Cage University of Acting.
Another of humans falling prey to the herd instinct. :naughty:

[DaveDodo007]

Looks like this place is dying, doesn't it?

Yeah - but don't be sad. The battle of SJW infiltration of the putative A/S 'community' after Hitchen's death is now over and has been subsumed by a larger story (or stories). It was a battle worth fighting in its time. And it was fun. And it was a journey in some ways. We had our heroes - Strawkins, Tickle, Parsehole and Arnie to name a few. And mad old Mykeru too.

We're in other fights now.

Are you fucking kidding me. We lost and we lost big time, (except Trump, maybe too little to late but I hope not.) A Conservative government (UK) has Turned our (normally joke of a police force) into the Stasi, also see the rest of the EU. Police forces everywhere monitoring 'Islamaphobia' after spending my life fighting the blasphemy laws of the UK. The elitist, globalist, corporatism scumbags ruling all politicians and the MSM, what is even more weird is the left and liberals are their footsoldiers. Not that this should surprise me as the left and liberals have always been retarded mongs but even I was surprise when they were gullible enough to fight and die to support the 1%. I'm well off enough to retire to a nice beach resort but I hope all you people who had children should feel like shit for the shithole future you have left them with, cunts, the lot of you. Have a nice day and fuck off. :cry:

[DaveDodo007]

My issue is it's simply not true.

I mean I am not exactly sure but at the end of the day if some dude wants to chop off his wang and get a pair of tits and be called Susan I don't see why that should bother me any.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/e640fa7d14d ... o6_400.gif

I think that's how itis done.

My issue is it's simply not true.

I mean I am not exactly sure but at the end of the day if some dude wants to chop off his wang and get a pair of tits and be called Susan I don't see why that should bother me any.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/e640fa7d14d ... o6_400.gif

I think that's how itis done.

Wait until they demand that you have to fuck, marry or generally accept them or else you lose your job or freedom and then get back to me.

[DaveDodo007]

Wow :shock:

https://i.imgur.com/w47IYSw.jpg

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/t ... -deal-off/

Lol, I love Trump. All you lefty/liberal retarded mongs who hate Trump should kill yourselves as you are too stupid to live.

[Shatterface]

We need a DSM of social pathologies the way we do for individual pathologies. There are psychological issues that only manifest - or at least are magnified - in groups.

We also need to be aware of how even reporting on on phenomena can boost them. There are guidelines on reporting suicide clusters, for instance, or eating disorders or self-harm. Responsible journalists don't make this behaviour look exciting or novel or cool.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

We need a DSM of social pathologies the way we do for individual pathologies. There are psychological issues that only manifest - or at least are magnified - in groups.

We also need to be aware of how even reporting on on phenomena can boost them. There are guidelines on reporting suicide clusters, for instance, or eating disorders or self-harm. Responsible journalists don't make this behaviour look exciting or novel or cool.

I've been giving some thought recently about mass mood/personality disorder. I especially see borderline behavior in the regressive left, but maybe that's cuz I'm sensitive to BPD. Not sure whether it's a group phenomenon, or built-up from the individual Cluster Bs of each SJW -- kind like how a mineral's shape manifests its molecular structure.

One way or the other, everyone has completely lost their minds.

[rayshul]

I don't think the culture war is over, but gamergate was the first sign that it might be possible to fight back. There are some small battles for sanity... and also the reality of, for example, trying to hire in a bunch of women who then scum shit up by being psychopaths is not looking good.

The younger generation has seen the crazy. Hopefully they'll be the ones to set shit not crazy.

[MarcusAu]

Cheer up.

We'll all be dead soon enough.

[Suet Cardigan]

Today I learned: none of the black people who were enslave/lynched/ghettoized were men:

StupidCunt.png

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[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Today I learned: none of the black people who were enslave/lynched/ghettoized were men:


StupidCunt.png

Ah, men. Such easy prey.

[feathers]

My boss is a Scotsman. I have never seen him in a dress but he does carry a gun.

Is that a gun he's wearing or...

[feathers]

It's about time that Trump got tough one those lime sucking parasites that have been stealing America's wealth for hundreds of years. I say the Don should present a bill for a trillion $ and get those UKers to pay up.

Better, build a wall around the Perfidious Albion!

[feathers]

Are you fucking kidding me. We lost and we lost big time, (except Trump, maybe too little to late but I hope not.) A Conservative government (UK) has Turned our (normally joke of a police force) into the Stasi, also see the rest of the EU. Police forces everywhere monitoring 'Islamaphobia' after spending my life fighting the blasphemy laws of the UK. The elitist, globalist, corporatism scumbags ruling all politicians and the MSM, what is even more weird is the left and liberals are their footsoldiers.

So you admit that the clusterfuck you live in is caused by a conservative government and its corporatist supporters (because those sure as hell ain't fans of the socialist left), and then in the same breath blame the left for it? You are funny. Unhinged, but funny.

[DrokkIt]

The problem with 'trans' as an identity and not an outcome, is that it actually narrows the potential options for someone with gender dysphoria.

It used to be that if you felt this way, you had a range of things to try (from just some counselling all the way up to surgery) with no preconceived destination. There's no doubt in mind that a good number of people feel this dysphoria, and that far fewer people are in the 'wrong body' model.

I actually know a few people who tried living as the opposite gender, only to decide it was too far and didn't fit them, and that they were happiest being who they naturally were albeit with some 'faggy' tendencies.

Constructing 'trans' as a positive identity and not as a descriptor erases all those people, who will be immediately captured into the ideology of the most extreme choice available.

[Hunt]

To what extent is gender dysphoria an actual thing or just a socially generated malady, kind of like "hysteria" was a condition, mainly associated to women of in the 19th century? These days identity is emphasized to such an extent that if mind and body are not perfectly in sync, we pathologize it. Mind and physical sex have never always been unified, probably back to the dawn of humanity. Past generations have dealt with it through transvestism, or simply adopting an attitude that fits the idividual's personality. Take a look at the movie "Ed Wood" for good general overview of the zany (relative to norms) way people acted who didn't really fit in. I can't say people have gotten a whole lot more happy with today's attitudes, surgeries, etc.

I think the solution may be to just stop fucking emphasizing gender so much, stop thinking about it, stop talking about it, and for fuck's sack, stop studying it in university. Stop making it such a big deal and calm down. On the one hand people are taught that gender shouldn't matter in different walks of life, and on the other they're taught that gender identity is THE MOST IMPORTANTLY FUCKING THING IN LIFE. This essential confusion is driving people crazy.

[Bhurzum]

Cheer up.

We'll all be dead soon enough.

[rayshul]

Are you fucking kidding me. We lost and we lost big time, (except Trump, maybe too little to late but I hope not.) A Conservative government (UK) has Turned our (normally joke of a police force) into the Stasi, also see the rest of the EU. Police forces everywhere monitoring 'Islamaphobia' after spending my life fighting the blasphemy laws of the UK. The elitist, globalist, corporatism scumbags ruling all politicians and the MSM, what is even more weird is the left and liberals are their footsoldiers.

So you admit that the clusterfuck you live in is caused by a conservative government and its corporatist supporters (because those sure as hell ain't fans of the socialist left), and then in the same breath blame the left for it? You are funny. Unhinged, but funny.

Yeah. It's the ideology which in the UK has infected both sides of the political fence. Well, maybe not the Kippers.

It's actually a good example of the fact it doesn't matter what party it is, this identity politics shit is toxic and destroys fucking everything. I'm sure I've said before on here that if it was the left who was fighting for freedom of speech, being tolerant of others and you know, not doing fucking tard shit all the time like hitting people with bike locks, I'd switch parties.

[InfraRedBucket]

A morsel of actual news for all you TR watchers out there - he cant really challenge his conviction because he pleaded guilty.

[comhcinc]

Cheer up.

We'll all be dead soon enough.

Promises, promises...

[DrokkIt]

To what extent is gender dysphoria an actual thing

We don't know yet, but as more information emerges we get a clearer picture:

https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22 ... fferences/

The issue with your solution (stop emphasising gender) assumes the cause of this is external, but I personally suspect that for the most part some people just feel this way. Sure, you are going to get transtrenders who jump on the bandwagon precisely because of the buzz around it, but you had 'gender bending' gay behaviour from otherwise straight men in the 70s- no reason to deny actual gay men exist because of that.

[comhcinc]

Take a look at the movie "Ed Wood" for good general overview of the zany (relative to norms) way people acted who didn't really fit in.

What part of Ed Wood's life did you find the Zaniest? Was it his depression? Or maybe his inability to have a successful relationship? Maybe the fact that he was a failure professional and is only known today because of that? Or you could be referring to his alcoholism?

For my money, the top of the zany list would be dying broke and homeless, screaming for help while being ignored by those you love.

[MarcusAu]

What part of Ed Wood's life did you find the Zaniest? Was it his depression? Or maybe his inability to have a successful relationship? Maybe the fact that he was a failure professional and is only known today because of that? Or you could be referring to his alcoholism?

For my money, the top of the zany list would be dying broke and homeless, screaming for help while being ignored by those you love.

Living the Dream, man.

You probably don't like Man of La Mancha either.

[Hunt]

Take a look at the movie "Ed Wood" for good general overview of the zany (relative to norms) way people acted who didn't really fit in.

What part of Ed Wood's life did you find the Zaniest? Was it his depression? Or maybe his inability to have a successful relationship? Maybe the fact that he was a failure professional and is only known today because of that? Or you could be referring to his alcoholism?

For my money, the top of the zany list would be dying broke and homeless, screaming for help while being ignored by those you love.

Well, paratrooping wearing women's underwear and angora sweaters under your jumpsuit is a good start.

[piginthecity]

Looks like this place is dying, doesn't it?

Yeah - but don't be sad. The battle of SJW infiltration of the putative A/S 'community' after Hitchen's death is now over and has been subsumed by a larger story (or stories). It was a battle worth fighting in its time. And it was fun. And it was a journey in some ways. We had our heroes - Strawkins, Tickle, Parsehole and Arnie to name a few. And mad old Mykeru too.

We're in other fights now.

Are you fucking kidding me. We lost and we lost big time, (except Trump, maybe too little to late but I hope not.) A Conservative government (UK) has Turned our (normally joke of a police force) into the Stasi, also see the rest of the EU. Police forces everywhere monitoring 'Islamaphobia' after spending my life fighting the blasphemy laws of the UK. The elitist, globalist, corporatism scumbags ruling all politicians and the MSM, what is even more weird is the left and liberals are their footsoldiers. Not that this should surprise me as the left and liberals have always been retarded mongs but even I was surprise when they were gullible enough to fight and die to support the 1%. I'm well off enough to retire to a nice beach resort but I hope all you people who had children should feel like shit for the shithole future you have left them with, cunts, the lot of you. Have a nice day and fuck off. :cry:

Illustration of my very point, Dave.

An embryonic loose 'community' had formed around pro-science ideas and a recognition that the allowances made to religious ideas were now actively harmful in the wake of 2001 attacks. A number of individuals who had hitherto been honest members of this community brought in some other ideas and tried to use the original ideas as merely a vehicle for these different ones. 'We' were united because 'we' were aghast at this. To some extent 'we' felt responsible in that we'd been part of the original platform which had been hijacked. That's why we can't let it go with PZ. He wasn't an honest opponent, he was a fifth-column weasel.

We're now in 2018 and all that's history. 'We' are not really a 'we' any longer because we're involved with current fights and often not on the same side. In 2018 there are posts on the pit in support of a science-denialist US president who has appointed a creationist as his vice-president and another one to the supreme court. More importantly he has used anti-science sentiment to wreck the climate change accord. This is 180 degrees from the original slymepit (which derives from a Science blog, in case you didn't know).

[MarcusAu]

I suppose that Dave, along with his fellow traveller Peter Hitchens, sees the UK Conservative party as no longer even remotely conservative.

They better hope that there is a resurgence in True-Conservatism^TM to swell the ranks of the 2% of the country (if that) that currently hold the same opinions. Or else things will probably continue along the same lines as current.

As to UKIP - they had strong opinions on leaving the EU, mixed opinions on immigration, and little to no policy on anything else. And I doubt Sargon's plan to hollow them out and wear them as a skin suit will amount to much.

[comhcinc]

Take a look at the movie "Ed Wood" for good general overview of the zany (relative to norms) way people acted who didn't really fit in.

What part of Ed Wood's life did you find the Zaniest? Was it his depression? Or maybe his inability to have a successful relationship? Maybe the fact that he was a failure professional and is only known today because of that? Or you could be referring to his alcoholism?

For my money, the top of the zany list would be dying broke and homeless, screaming for help while being ignored by those you love.

Well, paratrooping wearing women's underwear and angora sweaters under your jumpsuit is a good start.

Sure except that Wood was in the Marines and wasn't a paratrooper. But yeah good start.

[comhcinc]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/c8/7b ... d6ab42.gif
She use to pretend she was Russian

[screwtape]

We need a DSM of social pathologies the way we do for individual pathologies. There are psychological issues that only manifest - or at least are magnified - in groups.

We also need to be aware of how even reporting on on phenomena can boost them. There are guidelines on reporting suicide clusters, for instance, or eating disorders or self-harm. Responsible journalists don't make this behaviour look exciting or novel or cool.

Absolutely normal behaviour in younger age groups is to imitate under the influence of peer pressure. So of course there will be what some have called 'transtrenders' and the younger ones will not be making a political statement like the college-age kids with blue hair; they will be truly confused. We know that 80% of kids with gender dysphoria (not capitalised as I'm including all gender unhappiness and confusion rather than just strict DSM-V cases) will eventually become content with their biological sex, but experienced clinicians who point that out get fired (see Ken Zucker's case) and the new norm is to affirm and commit the kids to an irreversible decision without waiting to see if the situation sticks. There's is even great criticism of those who prefer to conduct a proper psychological evaluation to see what else is going on (after all, at the minimum putting someone on testosterone when they have unresolved mental health conditions isn't likely to work out well). The woman who introduced the Dutch puberty-blocking regimen to America, Laura Edwards-Leeper, is now reviled for not simply tossing kids on to the regime without an assessment. The result of all this will be rising rates of de-transitioning, and if you think not all transitioners pass, think how de-transitioners get by. You lost your fertility, your breasts, your vagina or your penis. Your voice is deep and won't ever be feminine. Removing a pseudopenis and trying to fashion a neo-vagina in a pelvis filled with scar tissue from the removal of the vagina you were born with isn't going to be possible for most, and results in a caricature when it is. Then see what happens to suicide rates. Responsibility will lie at the door of the SJWs who have recklessly and irresponsibly demanded such shoddy care for children.

[screwtape]

We need a DSM of social pathologies the way we do for individual pathologies. There are psychological issues that only manifest - or at least are magnified - in groups.

We also need to be aware of how even reporting on on phenomena can boost them. There are guidelines on reporting suicide clusters, for instance, or eating disorders or self-harm. Responsible journalists don't make this behaviour look exciting or novel or cool.

Get a copy of The Herd Instinct in Peace and War by Sir Wilfred Trotter. I have a soft spot for Trotter, not just for his useful bone-nibbling forceps that I always neatened up digits with when they had confronted the business end of a a chainsaw, but for endowing a gold medal for junior surgery at UCHMS (which I won in 1979).

[Hunt]

Take a look at the movie "Ed Wood" for good general overview of the zany (relative to norms) way people acted who didn't really fit in.

What part of Ed Wood's life did you find the Zaniest? Was it his depression? Or maybe his inability to have a successful relationship? Maybe the fact that he was a failure professional and is only known today because of that? Or you could be referring to his alcoholism?

For my money, the top of the zany list would be dying broke and homeless, screaming for help while being ignored by those you love.

Well, paratrooping wearing women's underwear and angora sweaters under your jumpsuit is a good start.

Sure except that Wood was in the Marines and wasn't a paratrooper. But yeah good start.

Has anyone ever told you you have a problem getting stuck on parentheticals? And anyway, there was never a marine who jumped out of a plane?

[comhcinc]

Has anyone ever told you you have a problem getting stuck on parentheticals?

Maybe but I tend to disregard words with over 3 syllables as being tools of Ivory Tower Elites.


You said people use to deal with their issues in zany ways and used Ed Wood as an example. I was just pointing out that actually there was nothing zany about that man's life and if fact it was pretty awful and we shouldn't pretend that the old way was better. We should be honest and say the old way sucked but so does the new way.

And anyway, there was never a marine who jumped out of a plane?

Yeah, a couple did in WWII just not Wood. This really only is me showing off my worthless knowledge.

[MarcusAu]

Is there a categorisation in the DSM for when you are happy with your own biological sex or 'gender expression' but feel there is something wrong with everyone else?

[comhcinc]

Is there a categorisation in the DSM for when you are happy with your own biological sex or 'gender expression' but feel there is something wrong with everyone else?

I think so.

[Shatterface]

The problem with 'trans' as an identity and not an outcome, is that it actually narrows the potential options for someone with gender dysphoria.

It used to be that if you felt this way, you had a range of things to try (from just some counselling all the way up to surgery) with no preconceived destination. There's no doubt in mind that a good number of people feel this dysphoria, and that far fewer people are in the 'wrong body' model.

I actually know a few people who tried living as the opposite gender, only to decide it was too far and didn't fit them, and that they were happiest being who they naturally were albeit with some 'faggy' tendencies.

Constructing 'trans' as a positive identity and not as a descriptor erases all those people, who will be immediately captured into the ideology of the most extreme choice available.

I grew up in the Eighties. Those experimenting with make-up in their early teens were getting off their tits on ecstasy a few years later, no damage done. Boys had Boy George, or Marliyn, girls had Annie Lennox, anyone could wear what they wanted and nobody was confused about who they really were. Hell, I wore eyeliner during my goth phase.

The Seventies had Bowie and glam rock too. Maybe the period of experimentation extended from the hippy era and ended with lad culture.

Transgenderism isn't blurring the boundaries of identity, it's policing the boundaries by putting people back into boxes, even if those boxes don't map exactly onto biological sex. That's why they are losing their shit over drag artists or stag parties dressing up and taking the piss.

[Shatterface]

What part of Ed Wood's life did you find the Zaniest?

The bit about him thinking he was a film director.

[DrokkIt]

The problem with 'trans' as an identity and not an outcome, is that it actually narrows the potential options for someone with gender dysphoria.

It used to be that if you felt this way, you had a range of things to try (from just some counselling all the way up to surgery) with no preconceived destination. There's no doubt in mind that a good number of people feel this dysphoria, and that far fewer people are in the 'wrong body' model.

I actually know a few people who tried living as the opposite gender, only to decide it was too far and didn't fit them, and that they were happiest being who they naturally were albeit with some 'faggy' tendencies.

Constructing 'trans' as a positive identity and not as a descriptor erases all those people, who will be immediately captured into the ideology of the most extreme choice available.

I grew up in the Eighties. Those experimenting with make-up in their early teens were getting off their tits on ecstasy a few years later, no damage done. Boys had Boy George, or Marliyn, girls had Annie Lennox, anyone could wear what they wanted and nobody was confused about who they really were. Hell, I wore eyeliner during my goth phase.

The Seventies had Bowie and glam rock too. Maybe the period of experimentation extended from the hippy era and ended with lad culture.

Transgenderism isn't blurring the boundaries of identity, it's policing the boundaries by putting people back into boxes, even if those boxes don't map exactly onto biological sex. That's why they are losing their shit over drag artists or stag parties dressing up and taking the piss.

Quite.

The point I was trying to get across is that your modern equivalent to the New Romantic scene person who has effeminate qualities, will get incorporated into a block identity instead of being able to just enjoy whatever it is they want to get on with for 10 years until they get a haircut and a job etc.

[Shatterface]

I'm in the de-emphasise gender camp. Where what you want, call yourself what you want.

But sex is real and we discriminate between the sexes in, for example, sport and medicine, for a damn good reason, and those reasons can't just be socialised away.

[Shatterface]

I must admit I'm way out of touch with music subcultures. There always seemed to be some kind of dandy subculture rubbing up against a back to basics hypermasculine one: mods vs rockers, for instance, or skins and New Romantics. Hip-hop seems to have been around forever now but where are the dandies? Instead of identifying with a music genre people are affiliating with a gender.

[comhcinc]

What part of Ed Wood's life did you find the Zaniest?

The bit about him thinking he was a film director.

Have you ever read his anything he wrote? You might change your mind.

I'm in the de-emphasise gender camp. Where what you want, call yourself what you want.

But sex is real and we discriminate between the sexes in, for example, sport and medicine, for a damn good reason, and those reasons can't just be socialised away.

I like you. I am pretty much agreeing with everyone here. Maybe I am just more soft-hearted about it.

Also, let's see those goth era photos.

[Shatterface]

I never do photos. Even the one I use on my travel pass was one taken as evidence when someone broke my nose.

I think the only photos of me taken as a student were at a party where we were dressed in Hawaiian shirts and Bermuda shorts so not my usual attire.

Still got my 30+ year old leather trench coat and leather jeans somewhere, though I'll never fit into the latter again.

[comhcinc]

I am not a big photos guy either. I frankly don't understand how some people have so many photos of themselves. It' seems vain to me.

[DrokkIt]

I'm in the de-emphasise gender camp. Where what you want, call yourself what you want.

But sex is real and we discriminate between the sexes in, for example, sport and medicine, for a damn good reason, and those reasons can't just be socialised away.

Agreed, however I still think the emphasis on gender is not what is causing people to be trans- although the creation of the trans identity (as a kind of orientation) undoubtedly persuades many who would be borderline.

[MarcusAu]

...sex is real...

Way to erase incels...