Brive1987 wrote: ↑
As long as it’s not “too little Locke”. And maybe add in why this problem should be “our” problem to solve.
An ounce of prevention ... and all that.
No, it's not "too little Locke". It's "Salafi clerics and institutions" combined with "isolated, ghettoized communities".
Young people are gregarious and follow their thought-leaders. This is why you get young SJWs in the "west". In muslim communities the loudest, most well-paid, best structured institutional leaderships are at least 90% from Salafi leaders (the remaining 10% are Shia conservative leaders). Structures like "muslim councils", "muslim rights associations", "anti-islamophobia institutions", online forums, online preachers, newspapers (propaganda rags like Al_Jazeera), imams, madrassas, street preachers, muslim community organizers, even "ethic" seemingly non-religious groups, like football teams, psychological self-help groups, and poetry recitals, are basically MONOPOLIZED by Salafis.
To live in a muslim community is to be constantly bombarded by Salafi propaganda, and to have to watch out for enforcers of said propaganda who go around collecting people with various mental health issues and turning them into an obsessed "social police" that makes anyone afraid of even slightly treading away from the prescribed path. Social shame is thoroughly exploited. Intimidation is also common.
Persian Gulf theocracies have showered BOATLOADS of money onto these associations and figures, they've provided them with universities, books, Arabic language courses, legal support, easy loans, etc. And those associations and figures are all INCREDIBLY conservative/reactionary, even those which don't directly support violence. They preach conspiracy theories about Jews that would make even Stormfront readers blush, they preach death/imprisonment to apostates and "heretics" (including, for example, the Amhadis who carry on bleating that the "real islam" is tolerant and peaceful), they disdain LGBT people in a way that dwarfs that of the most fanatic American Christian fundamentalists, they are so patriarchal about women that any feminist worth their salt would be horrified to even read 10% of what they say.
And yet they receive awards as "human rights advocates" or "human rights groups". They get invitations to political events as "community activist". They get articles on the HuffPo or other self-proclaimed secular and progressive outlets that allow them to repeat their apology for gullible westerners. And nobody important in the left dares to directly criticize them, because if they do they're cast with the alt-right and called racists.
On both the left AND the right side of the spectrum every politician keeps licking the feet of the Gulf theocracies, calling them "moderates", selling them weapons, allowing them to lobby heavily and with no oversight, even saying that they're cooperating to "stop terrorism" ( :lol: ). Everyone. Even Donald "muslim ban" Trump. :twatson:
This is, like it or not, is sending the Gulf theocracy the message that everything is OK with Salafi preaching.
Leftist politicians might tend to give Iran more of a pass, while right-wingers are more fond of Saudi Arabia, but the effect is still the same. Muslim leaders and politicians can routinely get away with preaching stuff that would be considered nazism if spouted by a "western" non-muslim.
Muslim "scholars" can get away with saying that muslim slavery wasn't so bad, or that women who don't cover their hair basically deserve to be raped, because no one really cares: the left thinks this is some wacky form of resistance to western capitalism/imperialism (when actually those religious leaders are ultra-privileged and don't give a shit about "fighting capitalism"), the right is too busy focusing on race/ethnicity/culture and absolving religion, looking for ways to ban all immigrants who are seen as too swarthy without understanding what's REALLY going on.
Blocking immigration won't solve this issue, because you have these Salafi institutions ALREADY HERE in "western" countries. You have rich Salafi leaders buying football teams, aviation companies, politicians, banks, newspapers, without anyone batting an eye. You focus on the poor immigrants who have little to no social, economic, cultural power while you let the rich and influential power players off the hook.
You already have a generation of people who are going to grow up being exposed to this environment in "western" countries. It's FAR TOO LATE to dream of a white Australia. Unless you want to go full "population transfers" like Steersman (and believe me, you don't want to) this is ALREADY "your" problem to solve. You can bitch and moan for how long you want, but it won't change reality.
So you either try to take a serious look at Salafi institutions, try to dismantle them, and offer alternatives, or you vote for populist leaders who will promise idiotic "muslim bans" but actually only prevent refugees from coming in, while they allow the Salafi institutions to proceed undisturbed. You can acknowledge that the problem is religion, and especially conservative/reactionary religion, or you can get lost chasing ancestry and "culture" down to an alt-right rabbit hole.
The problems with the obsession of the alt-right on ethnicity/visibile "race", like in the case of Southern's Paris video, are that a) it obfuscates the effects of religion and b) it gives prominence to both people obsessed with ethnicity EVEN MORE than Southern and Co, and to the easy leftist rebuttal to criticism of conservative/reactionary islam as "racism". If you want to SERIOUSLY deal with conservative/reactionary islam going around filming people who simply aren't white isn't helping your case.
Christianity used to be MUCH more conservative in the past. Generations of people who contested its conservatism, could create their own institutions, and eventually chased the conservative/reactionaries into a retreat, turned Christianity into a bunch of old people mumbling prayers and young people who might visit the church on Christmas or even don't care about religion that much. Pop culture, secular education, secular higher education helped A LOT. The most culturally influential "western" people of the late 20th century were hardly Christian, or not Christian at all. THIS is why Christianity today is so "tame" that for some it's just a matter of cultural badges.
In Islam the secularization process has been strangled in its crib by Salafi money and influence, with significant "western" (especially American) support to stop the Godless Commies. The fruits of the conservative/reactionary push are easy to see.