Faith Goldy in a nutshell:
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The humour relates to Jesus. Faith is entirely humourless. Keep up.
You said you wanted more humor, I gave you more humor.Brive1987 wrote: ↑The humour relates to Jesus. Faith is entirely humourless. Keep up.
Cultural Anglican Bible
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the whites, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to replace than to be replaced.
This has always been a problem in Australia. There aren't many major news outlets, and haven't been for decades. There are still only 3 non-government free-to-air television broadcasters, and most cities have only one or two newspapers, mostly owned by the same one or two companies.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:49 amYou left out the issues with an independent press and the threats to journalistic investigations into corruption. Also the part about how power is concentrating within the hands of a few, connected people, while independent sectors of a democratic society are controlled more and more by a specific parties and cronies. Nothing really important in your view, probably, as long as the migrants are kept out.
This is the wrong framing. The question is why some nations have liberal democratic/Enlightenment values and others don't. Africa, much of Asia, not to mention the Middle East are certainly largely on the "don't" side. Unless you are going to posit that the reason for this is the people, you have to find another reason. That is culture.
Australia seems to have some serious issues with freedom of the press, but it's still in the top 20 countries for press freedom according to the World Press Freedom Index. The "populist" Hungary is ranked as the 73rd out of 180 countries, and for good reasons:This has always been a problem in Australia. There aren't many major news outlets, and haven't been for decades. There are still only 3 non-government free-to-air television broadcasters, and most cities have only one or two newspapers, mostly owned by the same one or two companies.
Dozens of newspapers, radio and television stations critical of prime minister Viktor Orban have changed hands in the past four years. Some have subsequently closed down, while others swiftly and dramatically changed their editorial outlook.
In general the nationalist, "populist" movements are very eager to keep the press under increasing not only governmental, but plainly partisan control. A common trope on the "populist" right is to depict independent press as "the enemy of the people", to create narratives about how criticism is due to "globalist" influence, to suggest that errors in reporting, or clickbait business models, aren't simply issues to be recognized, but a deliberate plan to indoctrinate people into accepting "globalist" ideas.Mr Toth-Szenesi said he was concerned that the ownership change could bring Index under the influence of Fidesz and its ideological agenda known as the National System of Cooperation (NER).
NER was launched in 2010 to counter liberal values and champion nationalist policies. Under its auspices some of Mr Orban’s friends and family have won an increasing share of publicly funded business.
I agree that liberal democracy is not a "natural" endgame of humanity, or of prosperity. Corporate control of the news is a big issues in many "western" countries, and while it's not as bad as state/partisan control of the media in other countries, it's still very much a threat.It is a mistake to think that liberal democracies are the end game of humanity, or the natural state that relatively rich humans will fall in to. I see no reason not to think that the Chinese social credit system could become the dominant cultural model in the future. Certainly, social media companies and their algorithms or corporations becoming moral enforcers (e.g. banks closing accounts of people with the wrong politics) is a long way down this road without government involvement. The only real constant is change. The solutions and ideas of the past may not necessarily work into the future, not least because why those solutions were arrived at often gets lost.
I agree that academia has some serious issues when it comes to unchallenged, non-falsifiable idea put beyond criticism, and in this case it's mostly due to the Social Justice side. People like Boghossian, Pluckrose and Lindsay, or Jonathan Haidt, or Steven Pinker, are pushing back against this, but it is a pressing problem and probably the worst effect of the widespread a-critical acceptance of Social Justice ideas.The first is that the academy has become completely corrupt. That is a major disaster because it means the next generation of leaders aren't going to understand why liberal democracies work.
I agree that if this happened overnight, and on such a massive scale, the social changes would also be massive. But that's NOT what's happening, not in Switzerland, not in Australia, and not even in Germany or Sweden. As I've said many times before I'm not saying that immigration shouldn't be regulated, or that integration shouldn't be promoted. Indeed I've written several times how the Salafi ideological control of muslim communities, through donations, indoctrination, and preaching of authoritarian and often violent ideas, is one of the big issues about muslim integration. I've pointed out how taking back people who went out to fight for ISIS is a HUGE mistake.Keating wrote: ↑ Consider if all the people in Switzerland were today replaced with an equal number of people from Saudi Arabia. Surely you'd agree that the trajectory Switzerland would be on would be vastly different afterwards? It isn't anything to do with race, but simply that the ideas that are currently present in the Saudi population means they would choose to make Switzerland less liberal and less democratic given the same set of institutions. That isn't to say that you couldn't changes those ideas over time in any particular Saudi and their descendants, simply that when the proportion of people with those particular values overwhelms those with liberal democratic ones, by nature of liberal democracies, those institutions can and would be changed. When the number of foreign born citizens starts to become a sizeable chunk of the population, and their source cultures are regressive, that is a significant voting block that tips the balance away from liberal democratic values.
Disagree. Replacement in the West of both culture and ethnicity is real. It doesn’t take 90% or even 51% to throw the system off. You can call the process whatever you want. It amounts to the same thing. A major shift in way of life and cultural norms.If we want to have a rational discussion about cultural differences and immigration, which I agree is necessary, we can't give weight to the ideas of people who go around filming people who don't "look" French to build a narrative about how "France is not going to be French anymore", or who use hyperbolic language about "genocide", or who believe in conspiracy theories. Some ideas are simply so extreme and/or stupid that they poison the well, they taint some arguments.
The SocJus flirtation with anti-white, anti-male rhetoric and apocalypses ("rape culture" "patriarchy") was originally just a rhetorical tool designed to get people's attention to some problems. We've all seen how well that worked.Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Kirb:
Disagree. Replacement in the West of both culture and ethnicity is real. It doesn’t take 90% or even 51% to throw the system off. You can call the process whatever you want. It amounts to the same thing. A major shift in way of life and cultural norms.If we want to have a rational discussion about cultural differences and immigration, which I agree is necessary, we can't give weight to the ideas of people who go around filming people who don't "look" French to build a narrative about how "France is not going to be French anymore", or who use hyperbolic language about "genocide", or who believe in conspiracy theories. Some ideas are simply so extreme and/or stupid that they poison the well, they taint some arguments.
The alt lite flirtation with white genocide and apocalypse is designed get people’s attention. You will recall that the infamous FG video put a ? after the title and didn’t use the term in the video at all. It was a sober statistical based demographic tale. The Southern video visually documented a cultural street scene that was manifestly imported. It revealed a global city, not a French city.
Your obsession with the extreme right is a way of avoiding the less easy to dismiss cultural and demographic challenges. Your placement of LS and FG into the same bucket as the neo nazis shows a lack of mental sophistication or perhaps simply a blunt debating tactic.
So what exactly is the threshold for "replacement", pray tell? 10%? 5%? 2%?Replacement in the West of both culture and ethnicity is real. It doesn’t take 90% or even 51% to throw the system off.
Non European culture. One they happen to want to retain.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑So what exactly is the threshold for "replacement", pray tell? 10%? 5%? 2%?Replacement in the West of both culture and ethnicity is real. It doesn’t take 90% or even 51% to throw the system off.
Italian and Greek immigrants to Australia also brought their culture and ethnicity, and guess what, they might have had issues with crime and problems of integration, but they didn't lead to the "end of Australia" or to an Italian or Greek-style fascist dictatorship.
So why would immigrant from India or China or Sudan NECESSARILY lead to "cultural replacement"? Instead of leading to issues that might need to be addressed, but can be solved? What is so different this time?
The problem isn't press freedom, but viewpoint diversity. With so few outlets, you can choose between the government funded SocJus corporatist, not quite as bad as the BBC, but on the way, ABC, or the centre left corporatist, but collapsing due to low sales, FairFax, or the centre right corporatist, Murdoch News Corp. There's a few small online international outlets, like the Guardian or Buzzfeed, or Sky. You can tell what I think of those.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:58 pmAustralia seems to have some serious issues with freedom of the press, but it's still in the top 20 countries for press freedom according to the World Press Freedom Index.
I'm in favour of privatising the ABC because it is plainly partisan and infested with SocJus journalists pushing SocJus causes. Absolutely no reason why my taxes should have to go to funding that. My complaint is the exact opposite of what you are arguing against.In general the nationalist, "populist" movements are very eager to keep the press under increasing not only governmental, but plainly partisan control.
On the issue of migration, I certainly haven't shifted my position. Both my parents and sister worked for Australia's Department of Immigration, my father for over 40 years. I heard all the shit that didn't make the papers growing up. I'm strongly against migration and have little sympathy for "asylum seekers" as a result. (That isn't to say I don't have complaints with the other side; the "right wing" policies also tend to do things for political theatre that are completely wasteful. I also strongly oppose outsourcing visa processing and detention centre staff.)The shift to the right of the Pit is at least in part the product of valuing some highly partisan outlets due to the fact that they did some accurate reporting on some issues, like GamerGate, that other media mangled in their reporting (due to a combination of lack of popularity of some views, influence of certain narratives, and ignorance/shoddy reporting), and so starting to accept a-critically the information they contain and the narratives they support.
The university I attended, which has one of the best reputations in Australia, has a Centre for Arab and Islamic Studies, funded by Middle Eastern countries, and a typical grievance studies Gender Institute, but refused to accept money from a dead Australian philanthropist to run a Western Civilisation course. The situation is already actively illiberal and authoritarian, not to mention actively working against Australia's future ability to maintain a liberal democracy.I agree that academia has some serious issues when it comes to unchallenged, non-falsifiable idea put beyond criticism, and in this case it's mostly due to the Social Justice side. People like Boghossian, Pluckrose and Lindsay, or Jonathan Haidt, or Steven Pinker, are pushing back against this, but it is a pressing problem and probably the worst effect of the widespread a-critical acceptance of Social Justice ideas.
At what percentage of the population would this become a problem for you? In Australia, nearly one third of citizens were foreign born in the 2016 census, and over 50% of Australians have a foreign born parent. The rate of migration is at historic highs and neither of the major political parties have an intention of reducing it.But that's NOT what's happening, not in Switzerland, not in Australia, and not even in Germany or Sweden.
Again, fuck off with your framing. A long time discussion in Australia is that much of our cultural products are imported from the United States, rather than locally produced content. Locally produced content that is based on local Australian idiosyncrasies has always been something I support. The internet has largely killed this discussion, as fewer people, including me, watch broadcast television anymore. SocJus has infested this as well. The author of one of Australia's best Young Adult book series, that had a big influence on me in the 90s, recently said that he wouldn't have written the books today because of the changed political climate.The problem I have is that apocalyptic, conspiratorial mindset of the alt-right, and ESPECIALLY its focus on cultural/ethnic identity as the measure of all things. I'm not saying that culture just don't matter, but it changes, it develops, it's not the largely static frame that the alt-righters assume it to be.
Depends. I was recently in Sydney, and found the sign posting just outside the CBD in Korean and other parts in Chinese. That is not integration of any level, it is a colony. Again, back to stories I know from immigration, Australia has an ongoing battle with South Korea over Korean women coming to Australia to work as prostitutes. Sex work is legal in most states of Australia, but not in Korea. Due to the large numbers of Koreans in Australia, they prefer to see Korean sex workers, hence the lucrative demand for Korean women to do sex work here. Korea would prefer Australia prevent this, but we can't because work visas do not discriminate for occupation. Numerous Chinese young people also get work visas to come to Australia to work in the service industry. Chinese tourism is quite lucrative so we get a large number of Chinese visitors each year. Hotels have found that they are far more likely to get business if they are staffed with Chinese nationals working on visas then they are if they employ locals. This is clearly insane.If we want to have a rational discussion about cultural differences and immigration, which I agree is necessary, we can't give weight to the ideas of people who go around filming people who don't "look" French to build a narrative about how "France is not going to be French anymore", or who use hyperbolic language about "genocide", or who believe in conspiracy theories. Some ideas are simply so extreme and/or stupid that they poison the well, they taint some arguments.
Maybe not, but the fact that there are still areas of Melbourne known as the "Greek Precinct", shows how long it takes for integration to happen, and why Australia's insanely high migration rate is a problem. And both Italy and Greece are far more culturally similar to Australia than China or Indian are.Italian and Greek immigrants to Australia also brought their culture and ethnicity, and guess what, they might have had issues with crime and problems of integration, but they didn't lead to the "end of Australia" or to an Italian or Greek-style fascist dictatorship.
You aren't the only one. My ancestry is Baltic European and South American (mostly of Spanish origin). I look Iranian as a result, although I have no connection to that area. I can match you in the Oppression Olympics if you want to go down that route.I've been told many times by racists that I don't belong to Switzerland, often not very kindly, sometimes even threateningly (thankfully I've also been accepted many times and welcomed by others, who judged me for my character, not my ancestry). I've been beaten up a couple of times when I was younger.
The point I was making was about how some of the parties and movements that some in the alt-right celebrate (like Fidesz in Hungary, which was what Brive was gushing about) are very much a threat to press freedom, and very much in favor of concentration of media power under partisan hands. I was pointing out how this doesn't happen in Australia, and how confiding in those movements to preserve cultural identity, at the expense of freedom, isn't a good idea.Keating wrote: ↑The problem isn't press freedom, but viewpoint diversity. With so few outlets, you can choose between the government funded SocJus corporatist, not quite as bad as the BBC, but on the way, ABC, or the centre left corporatist, but collapsing due to low sales, FairFax, or the centre right corporatist, Murdoch News Corp. There's a few small online international outlets, like the Guardian or Buzzfeed, or Sky. You can tell what I think of those.
Again, this was about how when populist movements that the alt-right likes come to power they tend to be very much against pluralism and freedom. Donald Trump in the United States has also repeatedly threatened media independence through his rhetoric and lawsuits. The intent of the post was warning about how a narrow focus on the SocJus might have lead people here to ignore other threats, because they come from sources that are hostile to SocJus causes.I'm in favour of privatising the ABC because it is plainly partisan and infested with SocJus journalists pushing SocJus causes. Absolutely no reason why my taxes should have to go to funding that. My complaint is the exact opposite of what you are arguing against.
I wasn't trying to be holier-than-thou, but to point out how certain dynamics work. Support for Trump and for some alt-right ideas has no doubt increased on the board, and to a degree this is because some alt-right "alternative media" have actually done better reporting on some subjects than other outlets. It's a common human cognitive bias to start to trust someone when they get it right about something that matters to you, even though they're not reliable as a whole. For example Breitbart of all places did some better reporting on GamerGate than other outlets, which might have led people here (and in other places) to take it more seriously, even though it's a VERY partisan outlets.I do have a very low opinion of journalism these days. There are very few journalists who actually do good work. Twitter, in particular, is probably the worst thing to happen here, as it put all the journalists into a echo-chamber bubble. Fuck off with your holier-than-thou idea that only "right-leaning" members of the pit are susceptible to "accepting a-critically" information, particularly in the week of Smollett. I will grant you that that I can certainly think of two, shall we say, "low information", pit members who do as you describe. That said, I do not, and have never considered myself "right-wing".
This is certainly a big issue, and the part about accepting funds by Middle Eastern countries to create a center for Islamic Studies is particularly worrying. Taking a look at the curricula, there, is very important. People wouldn't accept money from Russia to finance a center of Eurasian studies which preached Dugin's bullshit.The university I attended, which has one of the best reputations in Australia, has a Centre for Arab and Islamic Studies, funded by Middle Eastern countries, and a typical grievance studies Gender Institute, but refused to accept money from a dead Australian philanthropist to run a Western Civilisation course. The situation is already actively illiberal and authoritarian, not to mention actively working against Australia's future ability to maintain a liberal democracy.
The claim about one third of citizens being foreign born is a bit misleading in the context of Brive's identitarian concerns, which are not about immigration in general, but immigration from some specific countries:At what percentage of the population would this become a problem for you? In Australia, nearly one third of citizens were foreign born in the 2016 census, and over 50% of Australians have a foreign born parent. The rate of migration is at historic highs and neither of the major political parties have an intention of reducing it.
If the focus is about non-"culturally European" immigrants (as it is the case for Brive and the other people who are concerned about preserving identity), only about 3.5 million people have non-"culturally European" ancestry. That's roughly one in eight, around 12%. He and other alt-righters don't seem to be concerned with people whose parents were born in Italy, the UK, Greece or Germany, or New Zealand or the United States for that matter.Place of Birth: 2016 Australia 15,615,531 England 1,002,100 New Zealand 568,200 Mainland China 557,700 India 489,400 Philippines 252,700 Vietnam 243,200 Italy 195,800 South Africa 180,500 Malaysia 152,900 Scotland 137,800 Sri Lanka 124,500 Germany 116,700 Greece 113,400 South Korea 111,600 United States 105,700
These are more concrete and practical concerns, but they'd probably be better addressed if they were promoted on their own, about demographic crises due to overpopulation in terms of sustainability, rather than within the identitarian mesh. It's the same problem that the SocJus has ran into when they've buried genuine concerns into identitarian narratives.I think the reason is economic, more than anything else. The economy is largely a ponzi scheme, and requires growth. We've had a (nominal) right-wing foreign minister who openly advocated selling Australian citizenship for a few millions dollars. Australia may have a large land mass, but most of the continent is uninhabitable and simply cannot support modern agriculture. It's projected we'll flip from a net food exporter to a net food importer within the century. We have fresh water shortages projected for most of Australia's major cities, and many small towns already have water quality issues. Due to political posturing, we knew that we'd start have electrical shortages by now, and that new baseload power plants would need to have started construction a decade ago. None were started, which prevents desalination a solution.
Is this a problem of immigration, though, or of changing social issues? I agree that the internet has had (paradoxically enough) a bad effect on shared discussion, and that the SocJus standards are having bad effects on literature or pop culture, but that's not a specific Australian problem, nor one that is caused by immigration per se.Again, fuck off with your framing. A long time discussion in Australia is that much of our cultural products are imported from the United States, rather than locally produced content. Locally produced content that is based on local Australian idiosyncrasies has always been something I support. The internet has largely killed this discussion, as fewer people, including me, watch broadcast television anymore. SocJus has infested this as well. The author of one of Australia's best Young Adult book series, that had a big influence on me in the 90s, recently said that he wouldn't have written the books today because of the changed political climate.
Again, some of these are very practical concerns about lack of incentives for integration and disincentives for ghettoization (like cutting down work visas for sex workers , or regulating them for the service industry). I'm not saying that there are zero serious issues with immigration, rather than the alt-right paradigm about "the death of the west" is dumbing down the discourse, and enabling some actors which aren't about concrete problems, but about racial/cultural bigotry.Depends. I was recently in Sydney, and found the sign posting just outside the CBD in Korean and other parts in Chinese. That is not integration of any level, it is a colony. Again, back to stories I know from immigration, Australia has an ongoing battle with South Korea over Korean women coming to Australia to work as prostitutes. Sex work is legal in most states of Australia, but not in Korea. Due to the large numbers of Koreans in Australia, they prefer to see Korean sex workers, hence the lucrative demand for Korean women to do sex work here. Korea would prefer Australia prevent this, but we can't because work visas do not discriminate for occupation. Numerous Chinese young people also get work visas to come to Australia to work in the service industry. Chinese tourism is quite lucrative so we get a large number of Chinese visitors each year. Hotels have found that they are far more likely to get business if they are staffed with Chinese nationals working on visas then they are if they employ locals. This is clearly insane.
My point was that integration within a liberal democratic society is possible, not necessarily easy or automatic. I'm not opposed to the idea of regulating fluxes of immigration to make integration easier, and maybe immigration to Australia at the moment is too high for that. That's not an unreasonable position a priori.Maybe not, but the fact that there are still areas of Melbourne known as the "Greek Precinct", shows how long it takes for integration to happen, and why Australia's insanely high migration rate is a problem. And both Italy and Greece are far more culturally similar to Australia than China or Indian are.
That wasn't the point. I explicitly pointed out that I wasn't writing this to whine about oppression, but to highlight how certain apocalyptic rhetoric ("the death of the west" "the big replacement") has serious consequences. Brive and other alt-right fans shrug at those.I can match you in the Oppression Olympics if you want to go down that route.
You’re too much of a fucking zealot to learn from anything you didn’t write. But for the record alt-lite is concerned with cultural identity. Alt-right/far-right is a looney mix of Jewish conspiracies, magic blood, white supremacy and Nazi fetish. It has both soft and hard wings.Maybe not, but the fact that there are still areas of Melbourne known as the "Greek Precinct", shows how long it takes for integration to happen, and why Australia's insanely high migration rate is a problem. And both Italy and Greece are far more culturally similar to Australia than China or Indian are.
There's no such thing as a clear line in the sand between the "cultural identity" people, the "invasion and fall of the west" people, the "race and IQ" people, and the white supremacists.Brive1987 wrote: ↑ You have used alt-right 9 times and far-right once in that mess.
And opined twice that I’m alt-right.
Yet I don’t think you have any clear concept what you are talking about sans “someone concerned with preserving identity”. Which is of course neither “alt” nor “far” right.
But go on. Tell Keating he is a far-right pipeline.
You’re too much of a fucking zealot to learn from anything you didn’t write. But for the record alt-lite is concerned with cultural identity. Alt-right/far-right is a looney mix of Jewish conspiracies, magic blood, white supremacy and Nazi fetish. It has both soft and hard wings.Maybe not, but the fact that there are still areas of Melbourne known as the "Greek Precinct", shows how long it takes for integration to happen, and why Australia's insanely high migration rate is a problem. And both Italy and Greece are far more culturally similar to Australia than China or Indian are.
You have crossed the threshold from libtard to dickhead.
There no such thing as a clear line between red and orange.There's no such thing as a clear line in the sand between the "cultural identity" people, the "invasion and fall of the west" people, the "race and IQ" people, and the white supremacists.
Right, so if I go on a rant here about the Maoism of the ctrl-left now, and try to paint you with that brush, that would clearly be constructive. That was part of what I was trying to point out to you about your argument style. It's not on point, and is largely well-poisoning.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:00 amThe point I was making was about how some of the parties and movements that some in the alt-right celebrate (like Fidesz in Hungary, which was what Brive was gushing about) are very much a threat to press freedom, and very much in favor of concentration of media power under partisan hands. I was pointing out how this doesn't happen in Australia, and how confiding in those movements to preserve cultural identity, at the expense of freedom, isn't a good idea.
I really don't understand how you can make this argument with a straight face. Donald Trump says stuff, sure, but he doesn't actually do anything. Point to one example of the US government, spearheaded by Trump, actually clamping down on media. No doubt Trump has said dumb stuff, but that isn't enough. On the other hand, almost the entirety of the US media (and Australia's ABC) were completely on board with the recent Smollett case narrative, at least until it (obviously) fell apart. Numerous people who have worked on Democrat campaigns or for Democratic governments have high placed jobs in several news media organisations. CNN hires a single person who worked with Jeff Sessions, and all of leftist Twitter goes nuts about the how terrible this is. The far-left has far too much control over the media already, and that terrifies me for long term liberal democratic stability than Trump being Trump.Again, this was about how when populist movements that the alt-right likes come to power they tend to be very much against pluralism and freedom. Donald Trump in the United States has also repeatedly threatened media independence through his rhetoric and lawsuits. The intent of the post was warning about how a narrow focus on the SocJus might have lead people here to ignore other threats, because they come from sources that are hostile to SocJus causes.
Yeah, I'm arguing that is true for you too. I never tweet, don't use Facebook or other social media. This forum is about the extent of my public commenting, and even here, I don't contribute that much. I have a large variety of media sources, especially ones I disagree with. If there is one area I've certainly moved on, it's anti-theism. One of the reasons I was reading PZ in the first place, so many years ago now, was that I did think Sam Harris style anti-theism was the right approach. Will I remain an atheist, I'm no longer convinced that is to the net benefit of humanity. (Another thread to discussing those deeper issues would be interesting, but I doubt this board could sustain it anymore).All I'm saying is that it might have narrowed our focus so much that we sometimes fail to see the bigger picture.
Not to me, it isn't. I don't think people from the UK should be let in in large numbers either. Having lived in the UK too, there was some culture shock for me being there. Not to mention, Australia has a long, proud tradition of making fun of Poms. We aren't the same anymore, and I don't want Australia to be more like them either. All mass migration is dangerous.If the focus is about non-"culturally European" immigrants (as it is the case for Brive and the other people who are concerned about preserving identity), only about 3.5 million people have non-"culturally European" ancestry. That's roughly one in eight, around 12%. He and other alt-righters don't seem to be concerned with people whose parents were born in Italy, the UK, Greece or Germany, or New Zealand or the United States for that matter.
No one here disagrees it is possible. The time required to do so is the issue. It has such a long lag time. The Cronulla riots occurred over 20 years after the migrants responsible arrived.My point was that integration within a liberal democratic society is possible, not necessarily easy or automatic. I'm not opposed to the idea of regulating fluxes of immigration to make integration easier, and maybe immigration to Australia at the moment is too high for that. That's not an unreasonable position a priori.
I'm at the point where I'm a single issue voter on this issue, I think it is that bad. I no longer can afford to consider any other factors in deciding who I vote for. Australia has a preferencial voting system. I cannot give any votes to any political party that wants to continue mass migration. This is definitely something I raise with my representatives at every opportunity too.The problem is that if this is done through the rhetoric of a Faith Goldy or of a Lauren Southern you look like a far-right loon, and enable far-right loons by parroting their ideas and memes. There's a reason why Goldy couldn't get a foot in the door in the Toronto election.
When PJW makes more commonsense observations than your local highly educated liberal board member.Keating wrote: ↑
The mainstream right wing is happy to have a conversation. The majority of the mainstream left is no longer prepared to. That is the problem, and it is a far left, not a far right problem. The "far right", such as it is, is the bogey-man the far left uses to shut down real conversation. I have no particular interest in addressing the (obvious) problems with the loons at the Daily Stormer. They have no power. They are getting deplatformed, getting their bank accounts shut down, being refused service by hotels and restaurants, and the subject of the regular 2 minutes of hate by the mainstream media. They aren't a threat (although they are being turned into martyrs). The far left, on the other hand, has very real power in the media, and in academia in a way that is detrimental to the functioning of a stable liberal democracy over the long term.
Smollett is hardly off the hook. He's the subject of a criminal investigation. He could go to jail if convicted.Brive1987 wrote: ↑When PJW makes more commonsense observations than your local highly educated liberal board member.Keating wrote: ↑
The mainstream right wing is happy to have a conversation. The majority of the mainstream left is no longer prepared to. That is the problem, and it is a far left, not a far right problem. The "far right", such as it is, is the bogey-man the far left uses to shut down real conversation. I have no particular interest in addressing the (obvious) problems with the loons at the Daily Stormer. They have no power. They are getting deplatformed, getting their bank accounts shut down, being refused service by hotels and restaurants, and the subject of the regular 2 minutes of hate by the mainstream media. They aren't a threat (although they are being turned into martyrs). The far left, on the other hand, has very real power in the media, and in academia in a way that is detrimental to the functioning of a stable liberal democracy over the long term.
A scary (tragic) train wreak I can’t turn away from.
More hard hitting facts from the alt media. When it turns out Hillary isn't involved you can be sure their will be a retraction.The FBI could even be looking at people within the Democratic Party machine in Chicago who were aware that Smollett planned to pull the hoax as a political stunt to demonize President Trump and his supporters.
Who the fuck has time to waste on info wars? Not all alt media is equal. Same for MSM.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ Here is another report by Pyjamas Watson:
https://www.infowars.com/report-fbi-inv ... ed-attack/More hard hitting facts from the alt media. When it turns out Hillary isn't involved you can be sure their will be a retraction.The FBI could even be looking at people within the Democratic Party machine in Chicago who were aware that Smollett planned to pull the hoax as a political stunt to demonize President Trump and his supporters.
The link I provide was a short piece by Watson that basically accused the Dems of collaborating with Smollet to pull off that stupid hoax, hardly what I would consider a form of narrative exposition. Maybe we read different dictionaries?
I think Prison Planet is the brand for his opinion pieces.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑The link I provide was a short piece by Watson that basically accused the Dems of collaborating with Smollet to pull off that stupid hoax, hardly what I would consider a form of narrative exposition. Maybe we read different dictionaries?
As for who the hell has time for infowars? That is who PJ Watson writes for and the same outfit that broadcasts his nonPC videos.
Prisonplanet.com, a website operated by American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
CFB is happy to criticise shit he won’t watch. Maybe you could rise above this standard and explain the evil and warped POV in this clip ....free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ From wikipedo:Prisonplanet.com, a website operated by American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
CFB has taken a moral stand against giving slimy nutbags views. Same reason we go to archived versions of FtBs. CFB also doesn't have the time to watch nutbags, CFB has a life. CFB will also point out that you often comment on things without having read the article. Which goes much faster than a ten minute video. Thus says CFB, may the farts of angels loft him through his blessed day.Brive1987 wrote: ↑CFB is happy to criticise shit he won’t watch. Maybe you could rise above this standard and explain the evil and warped POV in this clip ....free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ From wikipedo:Prisonplanet.com, a website operated by American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
If I could, I’d force the soft left to watch this in the spirit of force marching Germans through concentration camps.
You, however, position yourself to be appalled.
:doh:
His comedy is about as funny as Hannah Gadsby. It's not, and like Gadsby not even watchable. Of course you know that the mentally ill left like Gadsby and Smollet are the products of the excesses of the alt-lite, alt right, and the neonazis which are all pretty much the same bunch.*Brive1987 wrote: ↑free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ From wikipedo:Prisonplanet.com, a website operated by American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
CFB is happy to criticise shit he won’t watch. Maybe you could rise above this standard and explain the evil and warped POV in this clip ....
If I could, I’d force the soft left to watch this in the spirit of force marching Germans through concentration camps.
You, however, position yourself to be appalled.
:doh:
So you didn’t find any specific content to opppose. That’s interesting.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑His comedy is about as funny as Hannah Gadsby. It's not, and like Gadsby not even watchable. Of course you know that the mentally ill left like Gadsby and Smollet are the products of the excesses of the alt-lite, alt right, and the neonazis which are all pretty much the same bunch.*Brive1987 wrote: ↑free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ From wikipedo:Prisonplanet.com, a website operated by American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
CFB is happy to criticise shit he won’t watch. Maybe you could rise above this standard and explain the evil and warped POV in this clip ....
If I could, I’d force the soft left to watch this in the spirit of force marching Germans through concentration camps.
You, however, position yourself to be appalled.
:doh:
https..://youtu.be/Rfi2O9yTCKI
Who are the "soft left" you want to force to watch this tripe? You talking about me? Are you blaming me and my "type" for the behavior of this stupid cunt?
If you could you would force me to watch this sneering, bullshit propaganda?
* Using the logic that if all lefties are the same all righties are the same.
Her you go Brive, maybe you would like to watch this entire thing and the apologize for creating this monster.
https..://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbnwjKeBy48
Brive has spend more time dissecting articles and reports presented like bones by CFB than has occurred in reverse.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑CFB has taken a moral stand against giving slimy nutbags views. Same reason we go to archived versions of FtBs. CFB also doesn't have the time to watch nutbags, CFB has a life. CFB will also point out that you often comment on things without having read the article. Which goes much faster than a ten minute video. Thus says CFB, may the farts of angels loft him through his blessed day.Brive1987 wrote: ↑CFB is happy to criticise shit he won’t watch. Maybe you could rise above this standard and explain the evil and warped POV in this clip ....free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ From wikipedo:Prisonplanet.com, a website operated by American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
If I could, I’d force the soft left to watch this in the spirit of force marching Germans through concentration camps.
You, however, position yourself to be appalled.
:doh:
I watched less than a minute of PJ Twatson so instead of pointing out his stupid remarks I responded to what you wrote instead. I should have made that clearer. mea culpaSo you didn’t find any specific content to opppose. That’s interesting.
So you segue to a critique of humour :doh:
You blame the existence of the SJW left on conservative reaction videos :bjarte:
And you whine at the prospect of the soft left being required to confront their insane hypocrisy :think:
You disappoint me.
* Soft left being modern day social-liberals.
If you would have looked at the asterix it linked to a footnote explaining that this was just mocking the way you keep blaming everyone to the left of Gunga Din for the excesses of the extreme loony left. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.You blame the existence of the SJW left on conservative reaction videos :bjarte:
should read:If you would have looked at the asterix it linked to a footnote explaining that this was just mocking the way you keep blaming everyone to the left of Gunga Din for the excesses of the extreme loony left
I don’t go in for Alex at all. Listened only so far as Faith making standard pro gun criticisms of a possible move against Canadian handguns. Maybe you have time stamps of more problematic segments?
The poor old gaffers are to Michelle Pfeiffer as the Govt is to John Malkovich.
You are way more invested in the personality minutiae than I could ever be.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ Wait a minute! Brive's favorite news source and totally trustworthy lib triggerer PJ Watson hasn't followed up on the bigscoop that the Democratic Party was part of the Smollet hoax.
https://www.infowars.com/report-fbi-inv ... ed-attack/
I wonder what happened? Did the deep state put a gag on him? Or was it a hoax that in the sense that Watson just invented a rumor or knowingly repeated one and then just dropped it . Of course, he knew that his gullible audience will sort of half remember the baseless accusation and totally forget that there was supposed to be a follow up. The same drooling knuckledraggers that accuse the Lame Stream Media as being some kind of conspiracy to trick the sheeple.
These specialised programs are sourced from specialised interest groups with specialised agendas.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑More evidence that the far right and fundamentalist muslims have a lot in common.
Interesting that you seem to think it is a bad thing to teach kids not to hate gay people.
Generally I find that the more religiously conservative find that they are simply jealous of the deference paid to Muslims, as opposed to the general hostility that many governments and media give Christians. Their goals are very similar, but Christians have lost traction.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑More evidence that the far right and fundamentalist muslims have a lot in common.
Interesting that you seem to think it is a bad thing to teach kids not to hate gay people.
Cults, including the established cults we call religion find that an important way to control people is to control their sexuality. Jim Jones, David Koresh and their like would decide who can marry who, even decide to take follower's wives when they felt like it. Muhammad did all of that and more.Generally I find that the more religiously conservative find that they are simply jealous of the deference paid to Muslims, as opposed to the general hostility that many governments and media give Christians. Their goals are very similar, but Christians have lost traction.