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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:44 pm

Brive1987 wrote: here ....
Brive1987 wrote: I have assembled a detailed and comprehensive immediate action.

Mr Dick-Wick and his family should be strung up.
White Australian males should be placed under watch.
Lauren Southern should broom handled.
8Chan should be banned.
Facebook and all other involved social media should be banned.
High capacity magazines should be banned. No. Actually all guns should be banned.
All alt right wingers should be arrested.
Muslims should be escorted to a friendly nation, for their own protection.
Anyone who has ever questioned ethnically diverse immigration policies should be arrested.
Trump should be impeached.
So.
+ Southern is getting her broom handling.
+ NZ has banned 8Chan.
+ Trump received a bollocking in the comments of his “warm wishes” tweet to the people of NZ.
+ Gore.com commentators are telling muslims that a city called “Christchurch” is not the town for them.

And now this ...

http://i.imgur.com/kKSnwN3.jpg

And it’s only D+1.

I’m feeling very confident in the intersection of my shit posting and being taken seriously. :bjarte:

Just out of interest.
+ New Zealand gun laws are already very strict
+ Short of banning guns, what further measures are available?
+ How does the illegality of the guns used in the attack justify additional laws?

I’m assuming the left are simply leveraging the tragedy for their existing agenda against gun ownership.

Change my mind.

Certainly Matt, the libertarian voice on Beauty and the Beta, has a POV.


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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:52 pm



Ahh. Maybe I should watch the attack. I actually believed the MSM when they reported “automatic” weapons.

Silly me.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:56 pm

The left aren’t sending their best.


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Post by rayshul » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:04 pm

185 died in the Christchurch earthquake in 2011.

Fuck I wish we had a right wing government handling this shit, it's already gone full Great Firewall of China and they're going to rip all the other guns, DESPITE the fact that the second mosque didn't go as badly because one guy THERE had a gun and shot back.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:08 pm

rayshul wrote: 185 died in the Christchurch earthquake in 2011.

Fuck I wish we had a right wing government handling this shit, it's already gone full Great Firewall of China and they're going to rip all the other guns, DESPITE the fact that the second mosque didn't go as badly because one guy THERE had a gun and shot back.
I hope he had his licence in order. A mosque is a weird place to be keeping a sporting firearm.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:20 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Change my mind.
It's not really about you.

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Post by rayshul » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:20 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
rayshul wrote: 185 died in the Christchurch earthquake in 2011.

Fuck I wish we had a right wing government handling this shit, it's already gone full Great Firewall of China and they're going to rip all the other guns, DESPITE the fact that the second mosque didn't go as badly because one guy THERE had a gun and shot back.
I hope he had his licence in order. A mosque is a weird place to be keeping a sporting firearm.
Isn't it just, though. I mean, it's just a tincy bit odd.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:38 pm

rayshul wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
rayshul wrote: 185 died in the Christchurch earthquake in 2011.

Fuck I wish we had a right wing government handling this shit, it's already gone full Great Firewall of China and they're going to rip all the other guns, DESPITE the fact that the second mosque didn't go as badly because one guy THERE had a gun and shot back.
I hope he had his licence in order. A mosque is a weird place to be keeping a sporting firearm.
Isn't it just, though. I mean, it's just a tincy bit odd.
I heard it was a shotgun. Isn't there duckhunting in that neighborhood? I doubt that a masjid would harbor evil thoughts or violent objects. :drool:

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Post by Service Dog » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:19 pm

Brive1987 wrote: + NZ has banned 8Chan.
But Pewdiepie is still free to mastermind more attacks?!!

YouHaveToKillTheHeadVampire!

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:43 pm

Rayshul wrote:
Isn't it just, though. I mean, it's just a tincy bit odd.
I'm pretty sure that firearm wasn't for jihad. Islam means peace.

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Post by Keating » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:50 pm

Because not everything is awful.
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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:54 pm

Hmm Just downloaded the 16 min video.

It was pretty disturbing but surprisingly ungraphic compared to your average cinema violence. What really struck me was the dynamics and the speed.

I’ve done a non explicit time stamp version below for anyone who wants to understand what happened without hunting and watching the video.

Situation: there are two car gates from the street. The main one goes into a path and into an entry vestibule, straight into a corridor, women’s prayer room immediately off to the right, office and toilet off to the left. Corridor ends in the men’s prayer room which also opens to the women’s. Ie it forms the cross of a T. The guy parked in an ally off the road parallel and adjacent to the property.

Timeline
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Observations. There was only about 30 seconds between first shot and everyone being piled up dead or wounded.
He seemed to think starting with a shotgun was fire and fury - but not terribly effective.
The guy didn’t handle his magazines very well.
He almost got taken out by an unarmed man.
He never cleared the women’s prayer room or the rooms off the corridor. Didn’t appear to know the inside layout.
He didn’t clear the car park or the rear of the building.

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Post by rayshul » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:19 pm

I'm worried about the natural attack in response since my kids have a relatively open school in the inner city

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:20 pm

some guy wrote:
Looks like Southern wasnt the issuer of the problematic question.


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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:25 pm

You go CNN. Stoke those fires.


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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:40 pm

rayshul wrote: I'm worried about the natural attack in response since my kids have a relatively open school in the inner city
I don’t see this repeating as some sort of trend.

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Post by rayshul » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:00 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
rayshul wrote: I'm worried about the natural attack in response since my kids have a relatively open school in the inner city
I don’t see this repeating as some sort of trend.
Hahaha.

It was like nek minit ISIS are sending the PM pictures of guns going REVENGE will come etc.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:51 pm

The net widens.


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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:11 pm

Move over Chelsea. The real perp has been cornered.


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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:14 pm

Fuck off Lauren. We have ID’ed the mastermind.


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Post by Guest_5e6bf2d8 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:16 pm

A chapotraphouse thread that finds Ken Popehat White condemning shitposting (speech) and chapotraphouse defending it.



White isn't totally hypocritical here, he presumably would condemn Nazi speech even while defending their right to speak.

Still, one of us is out of the loop as he is coming down pretty hard on shitposting in general.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:43 pm

Maybe there is some sort of feedback loop where nutters look for validation or to steel their resolve before they go out and fuck everything up.

But I don't exactly pine for the days of more independent thinking arseholes - like the Unabomber for instance.

And I certainly don't think that others shouldn't think before giving up free speech or other rights - in exchange for what is in all likelihood merely the illusion of increased security.

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Post by Hunt » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:57 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Change my mind.
It's not really about you.
One Steven Crowder is more than enough.

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Post by KiwiInOz » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:27 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Move over Chelsea. The real perp has been cornered.

I have to confess that ScoMo's concern rings hollow.

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Post by piginthecity » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:46 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Change my mind.
I gave up trying to "change the minds" of kooks a while ago. Avoiding them was why i joined the 'pit.

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Post by AndrewV69 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:01 am

piginthecity wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:46 pm
Brive1987 wrote: Change my mind.
I gave up trying to "change the minds" of kooks a while ago. Avoiding them was why i joined the 'pit.
:o :o :o

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:35 am

piginthecity wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Change my mind.
I gave up trying to "change the minds" of kooks a while ago. Avoiding them was why i joined the 'pit.
:lol: how’d that work out for you?

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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:42 am

Jesus, it looks like Milo has been added to the suspect list.

http://i.imgur.com/JYfAr5d.jpg



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At least Jacinda had the perfect little something in her cupboard for the ‘morn.

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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:15 am

Oops. Leave no one behind.


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Post by SM1957 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:44 am

It is amazing how many people are responsible for the attack in Christchurch.

While every single Muslim terrorist operated in a vacuum, or had been radicalised online and had become a helpless victim of groomers.

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Post by piginthecity » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:57 am

"Change My Mind" is the mantra of the crank.

Because non-cranks take responsibility for aligning their own thinking to reality, and also for making sure they notice things about the world which may need them to re-evaluate.

Cranks are safe within their bubble, challenging internet randoms to "Change My Mind".

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:03 am

To be honest - I think I might run the risk of being obnoxious to any new (or old) media type shoving a microphone in my face soliciting for opinions at this time. (Or possibly at any time).

But I would probably tend to avoid them.

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Post by Driftless » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:47 am

SM1957 wrote: It is amazing how many people are responsible for the attack in Christchurch.

While every single Muslim terrorist operated in a vacuum, or had been radicalised online and had become a helpless victim of groomers.
Don't forget "lone wolf".

I have noticed both in the Covington case and the video of Chelsea that there is a tactic of making any disagreement with a position be so bad that it must be banned.

In the Covington case it is the MAGA hat that is a symbol of racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. and therefore anyone wearing a MAGA hat is literally a nazi and automatically a person so far to the right that they are always in the wrong. What that does is make it impossible for anyone who supports Trump from expressing it.

In the Chelsea video it is making any criticism of a Muslim's anti-Semitic remark be the cause of any violence against Muslims. So any disagreement will now be a call to violence.

It is an interesting political tactic but I don't know how long it will work before people see the absurdity of it.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:52 am

MarcusAu wrote: To be honest - I think I might run the risk of being obnoxious to any new (or old) media type shoving a microphone in my face soliciting for opinions at this time. (Or possibly at any time).

But I would probably tend to avoid them.
In the spirit of fairness, I blame both of them. I would also be pissed off to be heckled by a 5-foot yeti shambling at me in the morning light with a microphone in hand and a voice like an angle-grinder. But then the guy looks like an absolute cunt, pushing himself an inch from the woman and then whining "I'm not touching you". Argh, cunt deserved her elbow to his bollocks.

I apportion blame equally, and award 50% of zero dollars to each party.

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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:17 am

piginthecity wrote: "Change My Mind" is the mantra of the crank.

Because non-cranks take responsibility for aligning their own thinking to reality, and also for making sure they notice things about the world which may need them to re-evaluate.

Cranks are safe within their bubble, challenging internet randoms to "Change My Mind".
Well I’ve learnt something. I’ve always seen “change my mind” as being more a meme verging on a cliché.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:36 am

Friedrich Hegel wrote: The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.

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Post by shoutinghorse » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:47 am

Driftless wrote:
SM1957 wrote: It is amazing how many people are responsible for the attack in Christchurch.

While every single Muslim terrorist operated in a vacuum, or had been radicalised online and had become a helpless victim of groomers.
Don't forget "lone wolf".

I have noticed both in the Covington case and the video of Chelsea that there is a tactic of making any disagreement with a position be so bad that it must be banned.

In the Covington case it is the MAGA hat that is a symbol of racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. and therefore anyone wearing a MAGA hat is literally a nazi and automatically a person so far to the right that they are always in the wrong. What that does is make it impossible for anyone who supports Trump from expressing it.

In the Chelsea video it is making any criticism of a Muslim's anti-Semitic remark be the cause of any violence against Muslims. So any disagreement will now be a call to violence.

It is an interesting political tactic but I don't know how long it will work before people see the absurdity of it.
I notice in the Chelsea Clinton footage the self prescribed 'caring left' appear to have no qualms about harassing and distressing a heavily pregnant woman. "Justice For All " emblazoned in red across her T-Shirt obviously doesn't count with unborn babies and their pregnant mothers.

These righteous fucktards are a menace.

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Brive1987 wrote: You go CNN. Stoke those fires.

Have CNN learnt nothing from blaming Trump's rhetoric for everything? Charlottesville, Brett Kavanaugh, Covington, Jussie Smollett. . 2020 and 'Four More Years' is looking a nailed on certainty right now.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:01 am

Brive1987 wrote:
rayshul wrote: I'm worried about the natural attack in response since my kids have a relatively open school in the inner city
I don’t see this repeating as some sort of trend.
Ah, yes. "Nothing to do with Islam" mirror image.

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Post by InfraRedBucket » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:21 am

Why is the Christchurch "suspect"'s face pixellated in the pics of his court appearance since his face was already plastered everywhere else and not just by him?
Is this some quirk of New Zealand law? Can a Kiwi comment?
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Post by Kirbmarc » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:29 am

Brive1987 wrote:
piginthecity wrote: "Change My Mind" is the mantra of the crank.

Because non-cranks take responsibility for aligning their own thinking to reality, and also for making sure they notice things about the world which may need them to re-evaluate.

Cranks are safe within their bubble, challenging internet randoms to "Change My Mind".
Well I’ve learnt something. I’ve always seen “change my mind” as being more a meme verging on a cliché.
People won't likely change their mind because of the opinions of other people who disagree with them, especially if they're online strangers.

Change my mind.

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Post by InfraRedBucket » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:56 am

And we frown on people wearing backbacks on the London tube.


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Post by InfraRedBucket » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:06 am

or even backPacks.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:08 am

Kirbmarc wrote: People won't likely change their mind because of the opinions of other people who disagree with them, especially if they're online strangers.

Change my mind.
Anyone got a bone saw handy?

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Post by Lsuoma » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:24 am

SM1957 wrote: It is amazing how many people are responsible for the attack in Christchurch.

While every single Muslim terrorist operated in a vacuum, or had been radicalised online and had become a helpless victim of groomers.
I'm Spartacus.

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Post by Lsuoma » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:27 am

Lsuoma wrote:
SM1957 wrote: It is amazing how many people are responsible for the attack in Christchurch.

While every single Muslim terrorist operated in a vacuum, or had been radicalised online and had become a helpless victim of groomers.
I'm Spartacus Brian.
FTFM.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:27 am

Brive1987 wrote: The net widens.

“This, right here, is a result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words that you put out into the world…. Forty-nine people died because of the rhetoric you put out there.”
What was that massacre-stoking rhetoric’?
“We should expect all elected officials, regardless of party, and all public figures to not traffic in anti-Semitism.”
Give 'em an inch....

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Post by mordacious1 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:40 am

InfraRedBucket wrote: And we frown on people wearing backbacks on the London tube.

21st Century transportation...

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:54 am

piginthecity wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:57 am
"Change My Mind" is the mantra of the crank.

Because non-cranks take responsibility for aligning their own thinking to reality, and also for making sure they notice things about the world which may need them to re-evaluate.

Cranks are safe within their bubble, challenging internet randoms to "Change My Mind".
Well, either that or they are making a point by inviting cranks who don't believe in dialogue to engage in it.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:07 am

I went looking for the tweet that got Milo banned from Oz, until I realized ... :doh:

Anyway, this is the horrific thing he wrote somewhere:
“The establishment panders to and mollycoddles extremist leftism and barbaric, alien religious cultures.”

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:15 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: People won't likely change their mind because of the opinions of other people who disagree with them, especially if they're online strangers.

Change my mind.
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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:20 am

Driftless wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:47 am
SM1957 wrote: It is amazing how many people are responsible for the attack in Christchurch.

While every single Muslim terrorist operated in a vacuum, or had been radicalised online and had become a helpless victim of groomers.
Don't forget "lone wolf".

I have noticed both in the Covington case and the video of Chelsea that there is a tactic of making any disagreement with a position be so bad that it must be banned.

In the Covington case it is the MAGA hat that is a symbol of racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. and therefore anyone wearing a MAGA hat is literally a nazi and automatically a person so far to the right that they are always in the wrong. What that does is make it impossible for anyone who supports Trump from expressing it.

In the Chelsea video it is making any criticism of a Muslim's anti-Semitic remark be the cause of any violence against Muslims. So any disagreement will now be a call to violence.

It is an interesting political tactic but I don't know how long it will work before people see the absurdity of it.
The absurdity of it has been seen for quite a while. The question is what to do about it. The cost of speaking out can be high and the traditional media are in the bubble for various reasons. In Britain the public are starting to wake up and the response of authority has basically been to crack down harder.It is hard to know exactly what is happening, but if I were to guess I would say that you have a mix of left wing ideological globalists, greedy globalists, a virulent SocJus infection aligned with slimey closet Islamists, Christian hating Socjus atheists, racially divisive diversity or ethno grifters and perhaps some other flavours of lefty all with an aligned interest in eroding the integrity of Western nations and a colluding press. On the other side you have various right wing identitarian groups who have seen an opportunity to recruit in all of this mess. Unfortunately social media companies, the senior staff at least, tend to draw from the narratives pushed by traditional media when crafting their policies. I really believe Jack Dorsey and his team is, or was, unaware of how biased the mainstream narrative is and that is why the application of harassment policy has been so skewed. The political centre, who still believe in individual freedom and dialogue, are being thwarted. Extremists are trying to recruit from the centre. The centre in Europe are starting to push back but the evidence suggests that the authorities are swallowing the media narrative and labeling them far right and behaving accordingly.

I fear that Pool may be right in that the news cycle is such that dialogue and reason don't have a chance any more. People with malicious motives are stirring the pot.

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Post by Service Dog » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:55 am

InfraRedBucket wrote: And we frown on people wearing backbacks on the London tube.

The London backpack rule is to prevent terrorism. Here in NY, we know this guy's no threat. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

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Post by SM1957 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:01 am

In the latest news, Hope not Hate have read the Christchurch's attackers 83 pages 57 time and have still not found Tommy Robinson's name in it.

They are desolate. They will go through it one more time in case they overlooked something,

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:30 am

SM1957 wrote: In the latest news, Hope not Hate have read the Christchurch's attackers 83 pages 57 time and have still not found Tommy Robinson's name in it.

They are desolate. They will go through it one more time in case they overlooked something,
Top Marx - if it mentions Lennon.

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Post by shoutinghorse » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:01 am

Thank god for the boys in blue (and girls/trans/non binary) Where would we be without our finest thought police trawling t'interweb. :clap:
Where the law permits and people cross the line, we will take robust action, which may include arrest and prosecution.




Muslim hate preachers boasting after London Tube bombs, Lee Rigby, Westminster Bridge, Borough Market, Manchester Arena plus the labour MP telling the Muslim rape victims to STHU for the sake of diversity? ... Nah, it's their freedom of speech innit. :snooty:

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Post by Bhurzum » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:10 am

SM1957 wrote: In the latest news, Hope not Hate have read the Christchurch's attackers 83 pages 57 time and have still not found Tommy Robinson's name in it.

They are desolate. They will go through it one more time in case they overlooked something,
Clearly, they're looking in the wrong place...



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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:35 am

Brive1987 wrote: Oops. Leave no one behind.

Brive has a new nazi bimbo love interest. :lol: Calling men beta soy boys, "why are you filming a woman", complaining when people push the mic away and claims assault, and the best bit, telling men to stop eating soy and become a real man by eating Jones' phony soy based snake oil crap. :lol:

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Post by screwtape » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:44 am

Did you know the entire Brexit debacle was brought about by uneducated, old, white men? Then you don't read the Globe & Mail! This article is behind a paywall, but if you click on the link, ignore the pop-up (do not close it with the 'x') and click on your browser's Reader view, then refresh, you will see it:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... ould-take/

The text (bolding added):
Is Britain stuck this way?

After this week’s parliamentary drama of unrehearsed brinkmanship and botched rescue plans, it’s time to ask that question.

For three years, the United Kingdom has effectively been reduced to a single-issue country, all but absent from the great events of the world and unable to solve many of its own problems. This sudden deflation of a once-important country has been the most avoidable of tragedies – the purely self-imposed result of its ruling party’s determination to pursue a 2016 opinion-taking exercise to its ultimate conclusion.

Not even the most ardent believers in that conclusion – “Brexit” – can agree what it really ought to be, what useful purpose it could possibly serve or when it will be reached. Even if MPs are able to agree next week to a transition deal with the European Union, and the other 27 EU countries agree to let Britain postpone the scheduled end to their relationship long enough to let such a deal take effect, that will only be the beginning of the beginning. Negotiating the trade and political terms of actual independence will take much longer – Canada took more than 10 years to reach a simpler and more friendly deal with Europe. Britain could lose an entire decade.

The only thing that could break British politics out of this recursive loop of self-erasure would be a second referendum with a positive result, or a sudden political decision to walk away from the omnishambles and cancel Britain’s invocation of the EU constitution’s Article 50. Those seemingly self-evident solutions are being avoided by British politicians because leading figures in both major parties share an underlying fear that their voters – at least those in pro-Brexit England – really meant it. That is, they are resigned to the notion that this was an inevitable and repeatable product of deep-seated English beliefs.

But was it? A lot of scholarly and journalistic attention has been paid to the so-called “left-behind voters,” those alienated, low-information individuals, overwhelmingly older white men with working-class family histories, whose disenchantment with mainstream left-wing and right-wing politics has made them vulnerable to widespread conspiracy theories about immigrants, minorities, crime and Europe.

Those fears were amplified and given credence by Britain’s tabloid media and by the highly xenophobic pre-2016 messages of Britain’s Tory party – for example, the immigrant-targeting vans painted with “go home or face arrest” messages that were the signature work of then-home secretary Theresa May. Then-prime minister David Cameron’s ill-considered attempt to neuter his party’s far-right flank with a referendum on EU membership gave these voters a rare chance to express their disenchantment with a symbolic act of revolt.

Many British analysts, including those within the Conservative and Labour parties, have argued that the mainstream parties made a mistake by supposedly turning away from these voters, and should have pandered more to their fears and anxieties, perhaps by taking more seriously their delusions about newcomers and minorities.

Their underlying assumption is that the “left-behinds” are a permanent fixture on the British landscape and that the only solution is to accommodate them. This ignores the most prominent fact about these voters: Their numbers have dwindled fast – from more than half the electorate a generation ago to about one in five today – as Britain has become a middle-class country. And they could have dwindled faster.

In one of the most detailed big-data statistical analyses of the 2016 referendum, University of Leicester actuarial scientist Aihua Zhang found that the most decisive factor in Britain’s Brexit decision was not the age or gender of voters but their education rate: “An increase of about 3 per cent in the proportion of British adults [with] higher education in England and Wales,” she found, “could have reversed the referendum result in the U.K.”

In other words, if British politicians had chosen to invest in relatively minor increases in the education rate, and in the financial support that makes it easier for people to pursue higher education, they could have reduced this population to an electorally insignificant rump. This wouldn’t mean bringing Britain’s higher-education rate up to the levels of Canada (about 10 percentage points higher) – in fact, if Mr. Cameron and Ms. May had simply avoided their post-2010 decision to cut education spending by 8 per cent, that alone might have averted the Brexit disaster. Britain’s Tories didn’t ignore the left-behinds: They embraced and coddled them, and failed to diminish their numbers.

This is the test for politicians across the Western world: Whether to appeal to the prejudices of those left-behind voters, or to have the foresight to transform more of them into “moved-aheads” who don’t poison politics. We now know the consequences of that decision, as Britain spirals into the distance.
For some reason I find this Guardian-style amateur criticism very irritating. Stupid old white men voted for Brexit. The Tories could have re-educated them out of their delusions, but didn't and now they poison politics. Well, fuck this journalist and his superior know-all views.

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Post by screwtape » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:48 am

Careful what you say online, you Aussies:



Video demonetized and shadowbanned by YouTube after human review.

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Post by rayshul » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:22 pm

So, we're still offline here.

No Kiwifarms, no Voat, no chans. I don't know what else has been shut down but this is nuts.

Voat is the home of places like Pizzagate (Podesta was travelling in NZ last week) so I hope the conspiracy theorists are going the FUCK OFF right now.

Basically NZ has cut off access to all free speech and free press outlets and there's been nothing anywhere about this

WHICH IS NUTS

That's like 5 million people cut off and no one is talking about it anywhere!!!!

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