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Post by Service Dog » Fri May 31, 2019 2:29 pm

MarcusAu wrote: So there's some sort of reverse Dunning-Kruger effect in play.
I guess that would be a Socrates Effect-- humbly knowing the extent of yer own ignorance.

Thanks for the summary of Malice's book.

Today I listened to Malice on Dave Smith's 'Part of the Problem' podcast.
Smith is interested in how the alt-right stole the Ron Paul fanboys' internet-groundswell.
Maybe there Dunning-Kruger in that, too... waves of half-informed fads of thought... taking-turns Having All The Answers & spreading as memes, then eventually going-nowhere.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri May 31, 2019 2:41 pm

Service Dog wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: So there's some sort of reverse Dunning-Kruger effect in play.
I guess that would be a Socrates Effect-- humbly knowing the extent of yer own ignorance.
Obviously, Socrates (unlike me) was too stupid to know what to call it.

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Post by Pitchguest » Fri May 31, 2019 3:33 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 1:15 pm
Pitchguest wrote: John Cleese has been CANCELLED by the authoritariat for his claim that London isn't an English city anymore. His proof? Actual statistics from the London census stating that the majority population of London is not English. Wow. :o

Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has the nerve to denounce him, declaring he's proud London is both European and, above all, OPEN. As if that doesn't affirm everything Cleese is saying. Saying that London isn't English anymore doesn't just mean it's not ethnically white anymore, it means it's lost or in the process of losing its English cultural background. It's becoming less and less English and more of a mish-mash of cultures clashing, most of which refuse to integrate.

Then there's the rampant, and forgive me Kirbmarc for saying so, Islamisation of English cities, like London and Birmingham. Imagine you're a woman seeking asylum in England to escape conflict and oppression in your native Muslim majority country (e.g. Iran) only to wake up one day to find yourself back into the fold and into the shit. Call to prayer in Trafalgar Square. Government sanctioned Sharia courts. Women dressed from head to toe in burqas and niqab. In Iran they're symbols of oppression, in England they're symbols of *solidarity.* What absolute poppycock. :snooty:
Anyone surprised? Not me.

I saw this yesterday: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48451384

People have been ragging on him since he now lives on Nevis. I don't blame him. I feel sorry for all the other people who want to get away from the increasingly foreign city, but aren't so fortunate as Cleese.

Sadiq Khan is a right cunt.
They rag on him for living on Nevis, because it used to be a British colony, and because they assume that *because it used to be a British colony* it's populated by majority Brits. It's not. :lol:

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Post by Service Dog » Fri May 31, 2019 4:19 pm

Speaking of Dunning-Kruger... Elizabeth Warren on HOT97 Breakfast Club wit' Charlamagne da God...



Huff a bag of paint, every time she claims her wealth tax is "2 cents"

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri May 31, 2019 4:21 pm

What if the UK allowed London to Lexit from Brexit, then treat it like West Berlin?

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Post by Lsuoma » Fri May 31, 2019 4:42 pm

One clown endorses another.

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Post by TheMudbrooker » Fri May 31, 2019 5:09 pm

Should give some vegans the vapors, god forbid recycling should be used for such heresy.https://www.weau.com/content/news/Black ... 82971.html

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Post by Dan » Fri May 31, 2019 5:47 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: What if the UK allowed London to Lexit from Brexit, then treat it like West Berlin?
They'd be better of treating it like East Berlin, build a wall and shoot anyone that tries to escape.

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Post by InfraRedBucket » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:34 am

I'm no fan of Hartley Brewer at all. She is mostly an idiot. But this is stupid.
Jesus. Here I am defending the rights of previously Roger Scruton and now this bint.
And really comes up with some quotes that could be a Poe's Law parody.
If they didn't want her to speak, why invite her just because her father used to be a GP or summat.
The RCGP said it "promotes inclusivity" and her views were "too much at odds" with its "core values".
Dr Khan, a second generation immigrant, said he accepted the "free speech overrides snowflake" argument, but added: "There is an undefined line between free speech and hate speech...

"This speech incited hatred, and any defence of it is indefensible."
Dr Alan Woodall, the founder of GP Survival - a grassroots organisation which campaigns for the interests of GPs - set up the petition.

He wrote that having Ms Hartley-Brewer at the event would be an "insult to the thousands of international doctors who have come to work as GPs in the NHS".

Yes let me be offended on you behalf yu snowfakes.
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The Royal College of GPs has rescinded Julia Hartley-Brewer's invitation to speak at its 2019 conference after doctors complained about a tweet defending Enoch Powell.

Hundreds of people signed a petition calling for the cancellation over her "highly controversial views".

Ms Hartley-Brewer said "Twitter offence archaeologists" were punishing her.

The RCGP said it "promotes inclusivity" and her views were "too much at odds" with its "core values".

Ms Hartley-Brewer had been expected to join a panel of guests in October for the conference being held in Liverpool.

But more than 700 people signed a petition calling for members of the RCGP to "boycott" her presence, noting her "controversial" views.

In a deleted tweet from 2016, Ms Hartley-Brewer said "Powell wasn't a racist" and referred to Tony Blair calling him "one of the great figures of 20th century British politics".

She also said: "I'm not defending Powell, I just don't see anything in the Rivers speech that he got wrong."

Enoch Powell was an MP most famous for his 1968 Rivers of Blood speech, where he said by permitting mass immigration the country was "heaping up its own funeral pyre".

Responding to the RCGP's decision for the Spectator, Ms Hartley-Brewer said she was "commenting on the accuracy of his predictions" about integration, rather than making a moral judgment which endorsed his views.

Dr Alan Woodall, the founder of GP Survival - a grassroots organisation which campaigns for the interests of GPs - set up the petition.

He wrote that having Ms Hartley-Brewer at the event would be an "insult to the thousands of international doctors who have come to work as GPs in the NHS".

Writing for Pulse, a medical magazine, Dr Tehseen Khan said he would leave the RCGP if Ms Hartley-Brewer - the daughter of a GP - was allowed to participate on the Q&A panel.

He said: "This inflammatory journalist has openly declared that she doesn't 'see anything in the Rivers speech that he [Powell] got wrong'."


Dr Khan, a second generation immigrant, said he accepted the "free speech overrides snowflake" argument, but added: "There is an undefined line between free speech and hate speech...

"This speech incited hatred, and any defence of it is indefensible."

He went on to describe his late father "packing essentials" after Powell's speech in case he was "kicked out".

In her Spectator article, Ms Harley-Brewer questioned whether the doctors would care if she "wasn't a prominent Brexiteer".

"It came as no surprise to learn that Dr Alan Woodall, who launched the petition, is a fanatical Remain campaigner," she said.

She also admitted she "wasn't an authority on Powell or his views" but said "a hastily written social media exchange" shouldn't lead to being no-platformed.

"I hold my hands up to having dashed off a tweet about a subject I knew little about.

"But it is patently ridiculous that a random Twitter conversation from 2016 should be treated as irrefutable evidence that I am a 'fascist' whose mere presence on a panel would be an insult to all right-thinking people."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48482902

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Post by screwtape » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:40 am

All I can say is that the Iranian terrorists would have done the world a favour in 1980 if they had gone next door and destroyed the RCGP instead of the Iranian Embassy. It always was a corrupt organisation with a very large chip on its shoulder. I knew the guys that set it up, Bill Styles and Eddie Josse, and I never found their motives convincing.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:11 am

Dan wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: What if the UK allowed London to Lexit from Brexit, then treat it like West Berlin?
They'd be better of treating it like East Berlin, build a wall and shoot anyone that tries to escape.
A wall around London? It's a wonder no one ever thought of that before.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:28 am

screwtape wrote: All I can say is that the Iranian terrorists would have done the world a favour in 1980 if they had gone next door and destroyed the RCGP instead of the Iranian Embassy...
Ya great nimrod...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p4DmuGyehc

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:25 am

And ... I'm banned from TFA.

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Post by shoutinghorse » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:26 am

MarcusAu wrote: A wall around London? It's a wonder no one ever thought of that before.
Already got one, it's called the M25

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:55 am

shoutinghorse wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: A wall around London? It's a wonder no one ever thought of that before.
Already got one, it's called the M25
The truth value of that statement is a bit hokey-cokey.

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Post by Lsuoma » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:10 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
screwtape wrote: All I can say is that the Iranian terrorists would have done the world a favour in 1980 if they had gone next door and destroyed the RCGP instead of the Iranian Embassy...
Ya great nimrod...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p4DmuGyehc
I remember hearing that - I was working at Imperial at the time, and was just coming round the corner from Exhibition Road when it went down.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:05 pm

I think I remember osmotically picking something up from the news, or seeing a 'Spitting Image' skit about a midget SAS soldier...or something...

My lived experience may not be quite on a par with others.

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Post by screwtape » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:38 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: And ... I'm banned from TFA.
And I thought you provided nearly all the comments.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:52 pm

screwtape wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: And ... I'm banned from TFA.
And I thought you provided nearly all the comments.
All the controversy, for sure.

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Post by jugheadnaut » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:12 pm

Most accurate 2020 US Presidential election analysis I've seen so far.


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Post by shoutinghorse » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:25 pm

"Bring out yer dead" .. "Bring out yer dead" :scared-ghostface:



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Post by Service Dog » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:15 pm

Did any of you watch Adam Conover of 'Adam Ruins Everything' on Joe Rogan?


If you like cringe... I recommend it. Especially toward the end when Adam claims he's the only one doing what he does-- jokey presentations of topics like Wacky Mind Control Parasites That Make Rodents Attracted To Cat Pee and Hey Everybody Social Media Algorthyms Use Our Propensity For Outrage To Get Clicks

He talks like Jamie Kilstein & says "right?!" more than Cenk Ugyur!

He stumbles into topic-after-topic in-which he's hopelessly outgunned by Rogan:
-Steroids In Sports
-Moon Landing Hoax Conspiracy
-Chemical Gender Transitioning of Young Children
-What it's like to be a stand-up comic
-Hunting and Gun Control

Adam sez men are better at sports than women because men designed the sports to favor things men are good at.
We need more emphasis on woman-favored events, like gymnastics

By the way-- here are 2 female Olympic Gold Medalists reacting to males doing their own routines. I give them credit for their honesty...


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Post by Hunt » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:13 am

The revitalized Skepchick has an article by "Noisy" Nicole, resident astronomer, re: Elon Musk's Starlink venture, which promises to bring low cost internet to an impoverished globe. And also create lots of light pollution for astronomer's, a valid concern. But her worst worry is...wait for it... colonialism:
Noisy wrote:And that brings me to what I consider to be the most damaging aspect of this venture. As one planetary geologist put it, this project has a lot to do with colonialism. Here comes a powerful, wealthy, white dude who is going to benevolently give internet to the poor non-white people of the world without bothering to partner with them or ask what they want. It’s an old story, and one that many proponents of Starlink cling to mightily, as if this benevolence forgives all sins.
One wonders (well, I do) if she thinks Jonas Salk should have paused to consider the "colonialist" impact of the polio vaccine.

In the course of her post, she mention the Native Hawaiian objection to TMM telescope on Mauna Kea. At least THAT topic is logically compatible with "colonialism" (even if I suspect most of it has to do with Native Hawaiians wanting to stick it to the haole. Most of them probably haven't even been up there in ten years.)

The whole idea of satellite colonialism is about as rational as describing Mars colonization as "colonialism". They forgot one key thing: THERE ARE NO PEOPLE THERE. NONE. NADA, ZIP.

It makes me embarrassed to be on the left. How do some on the left get some things so. fucking. wrong?

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Post by Mr. X, Indeed » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:56 am

Hunt wrote: The revitalized Skepchick has an article by "Noisy" Nicole, resident astronomer, re: Elon Musk's Starlink venture, which promises to bring low cost internet to an impoverished globe. And also create lots of light pollution for astronomer's, a valid concern. But her worst worry is...wait for it... colonialism:
Noisy wrote:And that brings me to what I consider to be the most damaging aspect of this venture. As one planetary geologist put it, this project has a lot to do with colonialism. Here comes a powerful, wealthy, white dude who is going to benevolently give internet to the poor non-white people of the world without bothering to partner with them or ask what they want. It’s an old story, and one that many proponents of Starlink cling to mightily, as if this benevolence forgives all sins.
One wonders (well, I do) if she thinks Jonas Salk should have paused to consider the "colonialist" impact of the polio vaccine.

In the course of her post, she mention the Native Hawaiian objection to TMM telescope on Mauna Kea. At least THAT topic is logically compatible with "colonialism" (even if I suspect most of it has to do with Native Hawaiians wanting to stick it to the haole. Most of them probably haven't even been up there in ten years.)

The whole idea of satellite colonialism is about as rational as describing Mars colonization as "colonialism". They forgot one key thing: THERE ARE NO PEOPLE THERE. NONE. NADA, ZIP.

It makes me embarrassed to be on the left. How do some on the left get some things so. fucking. wrong?
The fuck should I care what a planetary geologist thinks is colonialism?

Some folks on the left get things so wrong for the same reason lots of people do. They come up with or find a model that claims to explain everything. From there it's easy to shoehorn everything into that model. Easy answers can be more comforting. When the only tool you have is a screwdriver everything looks like a nail.


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Post by MarcusAu » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:02 am

Hunt wrote: The whole idea of satellite colonialism is about as rational as describing Mars colonization as "colonialism". They forgot one key thing: THERE ARE NO PEOPLE THERE. NONE. NADA, ZIP.
I'm no expert on colonistics, but if the point is that developers will move into an area, exploit it for resources, and then do a quick 'exit, stage left' to the next place, leaving someone else to clean up the mess - then I can see room for criticism of Mars colonization in this context.

I'm not sure that I see the unique selling point of Skepchick though.

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Post by KiwiInOz » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:25 am

Service Dog wrote:
Adam sez men are better at sports than women because men designed the sports to favor things men are good at.
We need more emphasis on woman-favored events, like gymnastics

By the way-- here are 2 female Olympic Gold Medalists reacting to males doing their own routines. I give them credit for their honesty...

Women will always look better in leotards, on average.

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Post by shoutinghorse » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:01 am

How the fuck did these two bints win gold medals if they can't do those simple gymnastic moves? .. I swing out of bed in the morning in a similar manner. :snooty:

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:45 pm

Never heard of Adam Conover before, but wow, is he a stupendous douchebag!

Like, you know, right. I'm not an expert on this subject, but let me pontificate on it anyway and give my certain, set-in-stone opinion and cite personal anecdotes while dismissing any hard evidence that clashes with my a priori assumptions.

Will watch the whole thing later, but here's a 20-minute excerpt on trans:


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Post by screwtape » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:52 pm

Colonizing Mars must be the highest colonic ever.

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Post by Hunt » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:07 pm

MarcusAu wrote: I'm no expert on colonistics, but if the point is that developers will move into an area, exploit it for resources, and then do a quick 'exit, stage left' to the next place, leaving someone else to clean up the mess - then I can see room for criticism of Mars colonization in this context.
If the argument against Mars colonization is that it's uninhabitable and that we should focus on saving Earth, I don't see the objection to raping it for its resources, or anywhere else in the solar system, for that matter. Then again, what does logic have to do with it? The Apollo 11 50th anniversary is about a month away. The world is insane enough right now that I wouldn't even doubt some "anti-colonialist" outcry.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:15 pm

Great find, Dog!

Another clip, in which the beta cuck denies the existence of beta cucks, social hierarchies, or innate sexual attraction. Then with stunning lack of self-awareness, explains how people double down on their assumptions when presented with contrary evidence.

Rogan: But here's the scientific evidence.
Conover: Ahh ... I don't think I agree.


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Post by shoutinghorse » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:31 pm

Stupida fucking boat!


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Post by Bhurzum » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:12 pm

shoutinghorse wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: A wall around London? It's a wonder no one ever thought of that before.
Already got one, it's called the M25
Hmmm...was it a line from "Good Omens" (hail Pratchett!) that described the M25 as a Satanic symbol carved upon the landscape and designed to generate/farm as much anguish as possible? Or did I read that somewhere else?

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Post by InfraRedBucket » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:25 pm

screwtape wrote: Colonizing Mars must be the highest colonic ever.
Putting the c into the anals of Mars?

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Post by MarcusAu » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:31 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
Hmmm...was it a line from "Good Omens" (hail Pratchett!) that described the M25 as a Satanic symbol carved upon the landscape and designed to generate/farm as much anguish as possible? Or did I read that somewhere else?
Yes - it made it into the recent Amazon adaption too.

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Post by Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:01 pm

shoutinghorse wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:31 pm
Stupida fucking boat!

Do you know how hard it is to find a parking spot in Venice?

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Post by Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:04 pm

I have Good Omens on my watch-list, but I'm also in the middle of reading the book for the first time. So I won't watch the series before I'm done with the reading.

I was very disappointed with the book American Gods. The show was a bit better.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:14 pm

I enjoyed most of the books in the 'Good Omens' series as a child - though I don't know if Richmal Compton's work still holds up.

As for American Gods - I read the book first - and the casting seemed better than the TV series.

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Post by Bhurzum » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:07 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Hmmm...was it a line from "Good Omens" (hail Pratchett!) that described the M25 as a Satanic symbol carved upon the landscape and designed to generate/farm as much anguish as possible? Or did I read that somewhere else?
Yes - it made it into the recent Amazon adaption too.
Ah, I've not watched that yet - I'm filled with dread and fearful that another beloved tale will be butchered and filled with lesbian-muslim-cripples. I'm just waiting for Barker's "Books of blood" (a trilogy just screaming for the TV/Cinema treatment - let's not mention the awful "Midnight meat train" fiasco) to fall beneath the purity-scalpel.

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Post by Service Dog » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:15 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Never heard of Adam Conover before, but wow, is he a stupendous douchebag!

Like, you know, right. I'm not an expert on this subject, but let me pontificate on it anyway and give my certain, set-in-stone opinion and cite personal anecdotes while dismissing any hard evidence that clashes with my a priori assumptions.

Will watch the whole thing later, but here's a 20-minute excerpt on trans:

Here's Adam Conover's blog post-- attempting to provide citations for his claims-- that giving drugs to trans-kids is totally safe & never done pre-maturely:

https://www.adamconover.net/adding-evid ... s-podcast/

As for Rogan-- A few days ago, after the Adam episode, Joe did a call-in podcast with Jordan Peterson-- in-which Rogan rehashed Conover's views on trans-stuff... the exchange with Conover clearly continues to bother Rogan.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by AndrewV69 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:30 pm

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by MarcusAu » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:51 pm

Bhurzum wrote: I'm just waiting for Barker's "Books of blood" (a trilogy just screaming for the TV/Cinema treatment...
I'm not sure that TV would be the best medium to adapt them to.

Perhaps something in summer stock, or dinner theatre, or even an xmas play.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by shoutinghorse » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:29 am

Now that it has been alleged Saint MLK was a bit of a rapey cunt how long before he's unpersoned from history and statues pulled down?

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:34 am

MarcusAu wrote: I'm not sure that TV would be the best medium to adapt them to.

Perhaps something in summer stock, or dinner theatre, or even an xmas play.
A three-course nosebag and playing footsie with the frau whilst a live-action rendition of "Confessions of a (Pornographer's) Shroud" plays out a few feet away? Shut up and take my money!

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by MarcusAu » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:34 am

shoutinghorse wrote: Now that it has been alleged Saint MLK was a bit of a rapey cunt how long before he's unpersoned from history and statues pulled down?
Previously...
MarcusAu wrote: So, do you think there would be any objection if MLK was judged by the content of his character?
I find that by keeping an eye on what the new-Right are talking about - one can be ahead of the game on these sort of things...

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Keating » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:08 am

I thought MLK had already been unpersoned, because judging people by their content of their character, rather than their skin colour, is racist. Not seeing colour is a microaggression, after all.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by shoutinghorse » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:01 am

So president Trump starts his state visit to the UK today and this is what our state broadcaster thinks of as an apropriate welcome. Now I'm all for satire and piss take but sorry I think this is fucking awful. Whatever your feelings about him as a person you salute the rank not the man. The UK has a shared history with the USA of which 10,000 GI graves in a Normandy cemetry are testament to and with the 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings in just a few days I find this a complete insult to their memory and sacrifice.
Anyway, rant over :x

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by KiwiInOz » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:07 am

shoutinghorse wrote: So president Trump starts his state visit to the UK today and this is what our state broadcaster thinks of as an apropriate welcome. Now I'm all for satire and piss take but sorry I think this is fucking awful. Whatever your feelings about him as a person you salute the rank not the man. The UK has a shared history with the USA of which 10,000 GI graves in a Normandy cemetry are testament to and with the 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings in just a few days I find this a complete insult to their memory and sacrifice.
Anyway, rant over :x

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by MarcusAu » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:37 am

What exactly are the rules of etiquette as to which public figures can be mocked & when & how?

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Keating » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:06 am

It's okay if it's someone you don't like. It's not okay if you like the person.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by SM1957 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:15 am

MarcusAu wrote: What exactly are the rules of etiquette as to which public figures can be mocked & when & how?
Should Presidents of the United States be mocked on a BBC news programme?

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by MarcusAu » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:23 am

SM1957 wrote: Should Presidents of the United States be mocked on a BBC news programme?
No, the BBC should maintain their traditional neutral stance.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:00 am

MarcusAu wrote: No, the BBC should maintain their traditional neutral stance.
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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Lsuoma » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:13 am

That complete cunt Galloway has been sacked by his radio show for an anti-semitic tweet. His response was "See you in court, guys."

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:51 am

Lsuoma wrote: That complete cunt Galloway has been sacked by his radio show for an anti-semitic tweet. His response was "See you in court, guys."

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
He should hire a jewish lawyer.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by shoutinghorse » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:04 am

Lsuoma wrote: That complete cunt Galloway has been sacked by his radio show for an anti-semitic tweet. His response was "See you in court, guys."

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
That ardent Spurs fan David Lammy has strangely gone awfully quiet. :think:

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Lsuoma » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:11 am

shoutinghorse wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: That complete cunt Galloway has been sacked by his radio show for an anti-semitic tweet. His response was "See you in court, guys."

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
That ardent Spurs fan David Lammy has strangely gone awfully quiet. :think:
You mean the guy who has a Klingon forehead buried between his eyes?

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:43 am

Adam Conover wrote:First, on the question of whether 7 year old children are being given “hormones”, which cause irreversible changes: This is not true. These drugs are not hormones: what they actually do is block the onset of puberty.
Wiki wrote:Leuprorelin, also known as leuprolide, [brand name: Lupron] is a manufactured version of a hormone

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Adam Conover wrote:According to the Endocrine Society, these drugs are completely reversible.
… normal sexual or reproductive development will not occur. Girls will not begin menstruation and so will be infertile. Boys testes will not grow and develop and will impact on fertility. A boy’s penis will remain immature and remain the size of a child’s into adulthood. This will cause problems sexually if the penis is retained, both functionally and in terms of sexual arousal. It is also problematic if gender reassignment surgery is later chosen since there is too little material to use from the penis and testicles. 

When a child’s natural puberty is blocked we can expect to see effects not only on the body but on the developing brain. It is the surge of sex hormones at puberty which triggers the important changes in the adolescent brain which only reach completion in the mid-twenties. Hormonal changes at puberty  are thought to influence the development of both brain structure and function.

Recent research indicates that there is a window of development for some cognitive functions, and if this window is missed, cognitive development does not resume later even if blockers are discontinued. A reduction in long-term spatial memory was found to persist after discontinuation of blockers….
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Adam Conover wrote:Regarding Joe’s question about whether or not we know what the long-term effects are: These drugs have been approved for use in children by the FDA since 1993. In other words, they’ve been prescribed to children for over 25 years, and still have been deemed safe.
The evidence of ‘reversibility’ is from studies in a different set of children; namely children with precocious puberty (a puberty disorder in which puberty commences very early. Technically this is before the age of 8 in girls but could be as young as pre-school age). In these children puberty blocking drugs are normally withdrawn around the age of 12 and menstruation in girls commences about 1 year later.

This is very different from the approach in children with gender dysphoria. Normal puberty is postponed while the normal ageing process proceeds. Restarting natural puberty (or inducing cross-sex puberty artificially at 16) would therefore be out of step with other development processes. It should also be noted that virtually all cases of precocious puberty occur in girls so there is extremely little evidence of the restarting of puberty in boys.

It has long been known that mechanistically GnRH analogues can cause bone thinning. The reduction of estrogen levels in girls can induce a temporary osteopenia (similar to what’s seen in menopause when estrogen levels naturally fall). A 2009 study showed that Lupron caused bone thinning in girls treated although bone density was seen to return to normal levels within 10 years after treatment. There is also a large 2005 study in men treated for prostate cancer in which a significantly increased risk of bone fractures was observed.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers/
Many [patients on Lupron] have experienced extreme side effects that shattered their health and their lives, including severe joint pain, osteoporosis, compromised immune systems, and mental health issues such as severe depression and even suicidal ideation. The FDA has received 24,000 reports of adverse reactions, about half of which the agency has deemed serious.
https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/14/pu ... ns-health/


Side effects of Lupron include:
headaches
chronic pain
osteopenia
osteoporosis
degenerative disc disease
bursitis
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
deteriorating vision
severe asthma exacerbation
depression
anxiety
mood swings
suicidal urges
seizures

https://californiahealthline.org/news/w ... -problems/

In summation:
It is often said that the use of puberty blockers in children is completely safe and irreversible. This claim however has never been tested in long term studies and its use for gender dysphoria remains experimental. Questions still remain about long term health concerns and the effect on the natural trajectory of the development of gender identity. Ethical questions remain about the capacity of children to consent to a treatment which blocks their natural development at puberty, especially given the evidence that this locks them into a medical pathway resulting in sterility and potential loss of sexual function. 
https://www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers/

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:43 am

Adam Conover wrote:First, on the question of whether 7 year old children are being given “hormones”, which cause irreversible changes: This is not true. These drugs are not hormones: what they actually do is block the onset of puberty.
Wiki wrote:Leuprorelin, also known as leuprolide, [brand name: Lupron] is a manufactured version of a hormone

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Adam Conover wrote:According to the Endocrine Society, these drugs are completely reversible.
… normal sexual or reproductive development will not occur. Girls will not begin menstruation and so will be infertile. Boys testes will not grow and develop and will impact on fertility. A boy’s penis will remain immature and remain the size of a child’s into adulthood. This will cause problems sexually if the penis is retained, both functionally and in terms of sexual arousal. It is also problematic if gender reassignment surgery is later chosen since there is too little material to use from the penis and testicles. 

When a child’s natural puberty is blocked we can expect to see effects not only on the body but on the developing brain. It is the surge of sex hormones at puberty which triggers the important changes in the adolescent brain which only reach completion in the mid-twenties. Hormonal changes at puberty  are thought to influence the development of both brain structure and function.

Recent research indicates that there is a window of development for some cognitive functions, and if this window is missed, cognitive development does not resume later even if blockers are discontinued. A reduction in long-term spatial memory was found to persist after discontinuation of blockers….
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Adam Conover wrote:Regarding Joe’s question about whether or not we know what the long-term effects are: These drugs have been approved for use in children by the FDA since 1993. In other words, they’ve been prescribed to children for over 25 years, and still have been deemed safe.
The evidence of ‘reversibility’ is from studies in a different set of children; namely children with precocious puberty (a puberty disorder in which puberty commences very early. Technically this is before the age of 8 in girls but could be as young as pre-school age). In these children puberty blocking drugs are normally withdrawn around the age of 12 and menstruation in girls commences about 1 year later.

This is very different from the approach in children with gender dysphoria. Normal puberty is postponed while the normal ageing process proceeds. Restarting natural puberty (or inducing cross-sex puberty artificially at 16) would therefore be out of step with other development processes. It should also be noted that virtually all cases of precocious puberty occur in girls so there is extremely little evidence of the restarting of puberty in boys.

It has long been known that mechanistically GnRH analogues can cause bone thinning. The reduction of estrogen levels in girls can induce a temporary osteopenia (similar to what’s seen in menopause when estrogen levels naturally fall). A 2009 study showed that Lupron caused bone thinning in girls treated although bone density was seen to return to normal levels within 10 years after treatment. There is also a large 2005 study in men treated for prostate cancer in which a significantly increased risk of bone fractures was observed.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers/
Many [patients on Lupron] have experienced extreme side effects that shattered their health and their lives, including severe joint pain, osteoporosis, compromised immune systems, and mental health issues such as severe depression and even suicidal ideation. The FDA has received 24,000 reports of adverse reactions, about half of which the agency has deemed serious.
https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/14/pu ... ns-health/


Side effects of Lupron include:
headaches
chronic pain
osteopenia
osteoporosis
degenerative disc disease
bursitis
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
deteriorating vision
severe asthma exacerbation
depression
anxiety
mood swings
suicidal urges
seizures

https://californiahealthline.org/news/w ... -problems/

In summation:
It is often said that the use of puberty blockers in children is completely safe and irreversible. This claim however has never been tested in long term studies and its use for gender dysphoria remains experimental. Questions still remain about long term health concerns and the effect on the natural trajectory of the development of gender identity. Ethical questions remain about the capacity of children to consent to a treatment which blocks their natural development at puberty, especially given the evidence that this locks them into a medical pathway resulting in sterility and potential loss of sexual function. 
https://www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers/

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