Wow.Lsuoma wrote: ↑ Maybe Greta needs some of this: https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/women-are ... itch-face/
Also the video at the bottom for "designer" nipples. Women are weird.
Wow.Lsuoma wrote: ↑ Maybe Greta needs some of this: https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/women-are ... itch-face/
I know a woman who has a designer vagina (no, seriously) and will often get it out for inspection. Apparently her "hanging ham" was repulsive to look at (her words, not mine) and was crimping her relationship(s).Stankeye wrote: ↑Wow.Lsuoma wrote: ↑ Maybe Greta needs some of this: https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/women-are ... itch-face/
Also the video at the bottom for "designer" nipples. Women are weird.
We don't know, do we. The ol' proving a negative thing rears its ugly head. We don't know how many allegedly justified shootings were actually murder by police, but due to the prevalence of mobile video devices, I can tell you we're beginning to get a clearer picture.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ 2) Same question as for Pitchguest: what percentage of LEO-civilian interactions are like this one?
What reality? The one were lots of times cops empty their clips and never hit anything? Shoot until down is the hysterical resolution of a panicked situation by rattling off as many bullets as possible. Lots of times they're not even aiming! This disregards the safety of everyone involved, including crossfire among officers, the public from stray bullets, and of course the "perp" who might not deserve it.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ How about you find us even one example of tactical doctrine advising 'shoot to disable'? Because otherwise, 'I call BS' is really 'I dislike reality.'
Like men wouldn't all have 10 metre dicks if that surgery worked.
It is weird. Apparently labioplasty is a big thing now with women who feel that their lips are untidy or too big or something. Fuck knows where they get that idea from.Bhurzum wrote: ↑I know a woman who has a designer vagina (no, seriously) and will often get it out for inspection. Apparently her "hanging ham" was repulsive to look at (her words, not mine) and was crimping her relationship(s).Stankeye wrote: ↑Wow.Lsuoma wrote: ↑ Maybe Greta needs some of this: https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/women-are ... itch-face/
Also the video at the bottom for "designer" nipples. Women are weird.
Weird indeed...
When some bloke noshing her says "I love doing this to you, because your flaps keep my ears warm."KiwiInOz wrote: ↑It is weird. Apparently labioplasty is a big thing now with women who feel that their lips are untidy or too big or something. Fuck knows where they get that idea from.Bhurzum wrote: ↑I know a woman who has a designer vagina (no, seriously) and will often get it out for inspection. Apparently her "hanging ham" was repulsive to look at (her words, not mine) and was crimping her relationship(s).Stankeye wrote: ↑Wow.Lsuoma wrote: ↑ Maybe Greta needs some of this: https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/women-are ... itch-face/
Also the video at the bottom for "designer" nipples. Women are weird.
Weird indeed...
No, you made two positive assertions: 1) that police routinely abuse the use of force wrt firearms; 2) shoot to warn/disarm/slightly wound is a viable tactic. You've provided zero evidence to substantiate either, so did you really expect they'd be taken seriously at the Pit of all places?
...but why don't we all market pretend shotgun noisemakers instead of real childkillers because that will sway all those who are opposed.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:04 pmMy friend boasts how she scared off a perp with just the sound of her racking the slide. I said yeah you just left it to someone else to finish the jobBhurzum wrote: ↑"Shoot to annoy"Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Anyone who doesn't fire at least three rounds in quick succession should not wield a handgun
"Shoot to hurt"
"Shoot to scare"
"Shoot to wound"
All equally absurd. If you've made the decision to let the lead fly, there's only one aim (pun!), anything less is stupidity. 2-3 in each tit with a nice facial finisher - it's forwinnerssurvivors.
"Overreaction is the only reaction" - Can't remember who said this but it's on the money!
I don't expect anything I say to go unchallenged, but my preference isn't open to factual analysis. Police, para-militaristic or not, are civilian agencies. The public is in control of them, pay for them and ultimately tailor them to its concerns. Many cops don't like to hear this, of course, and even many citizens are under the impression that policing is so dangerous that we get what we get, and we should be happy for it, a form of tyranny. Many people willingly give up their rights, and their preferences, without realizing that fundamentally, they're calling the shots (if you will), and cops do as we collectively say. They work for us! That badge is ours. That gun is ours. That uniform is ours. That car is ours. If the job description sounds more arduous than an applicant wants to hear, tough titty, don't apply.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑No, you made two positive assertions: 1) that police routinely abuse the use of force wrt firearms; 2) shoot to warn/disarm/slightly wound is a viable tactic. You've provided zero evidence to substantiate either, so did you really expect they'd be taken seriously at the Pit of all places?
I speculate. I gather that their police training is either inadequate or that standards what makes a good police officer are inadequate. Either way, I think there ought to be some scrutiny.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:08 pmAnswer begging the question. What evidence, other than these youtube clips, do you have that police training is inadequate?Pitchguest wrote: ↑ Reform, as in basic training. Police officers should be able to gauge a situation and make decisions based on what's in front of them, not just going for the safe play.
It's relative. I've seen videos that precede YouTube, but I've also seen videos outside of YouTube. It's just the most popular, and current, platform.You keep using that word.How many clips are there on YouTube....
I don't know. But if the statistics say 500 officer related shootings per year, and the amount of shootings by officers that are not justified number, say, fifty or more, then you can do the math.In what percentage of LEO-civilian interactions does the cop 'go overboard'?Sure, the majority perhaps aren't, and that's a good thing, but sometimes they do go overboard and even you have to admit that. And those times DO exceed more than once, or twice, or ten.
Come on, mate. This is such an 'internet tough guy' line. :snooty:Uhh yeah they do. It all happens in an instant and you keep shooting until the perp is down. Anyone who doesn't fire at least three rounds in quick succession should not wield a handgun.They don't have to unload their entire goddamn magazine.
Yeah, I don't usually use this word but yikes! I had my doubts when I found out Greta is the daughter of a famous actress/singer/eco-activist but that speech is just... unhinged.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:40 amHey, let's make a severely mentally-ill child our world spokesperson for climate change action. That'll win over the folks we've failed to so far!
People are just not used to an impassioned speech.Pitchguest wrote: ↑ Yeah, I don't usually use this word but yikes! I had my doubts when I found out Greta is the daughter of a famous actress/singer/eco-activist but that speech is just... unhinged.
The wingtardery here is getting a little thick of late. Might be time for me to check out.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ Hey, let's make a severely mentally-ill child our world spokesperson for climate change action. That'll win over the folks we've failed to so far!
I was explaining this debacle to someone... and wanted to show them what 'Matt Dillahunty' 'Beth Presswood' and 'The Atheist Experience' looked-like.Really? wrote: ↑
Oh, god....if that's true, then...Presswood and Carrier...
Carrier and Presswood...
Here's a visual representation of all of the sexual relationships in the atheist community.
The only one with a dry dick is Peez.
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Looking at the CNN website this morning I wouldn't know there were any democrats running for president. So the democrats have succeeded in making the news be all about Trump. I be Trump will be tweeting at a rate that keeps it that way.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑I hope Pelosi knows something we don't, for her sake, because this looks like Trump inviting the Dems to faceplant and the case against Biden is more convincing.
Pistols, like my friend's 1911 .45 ACP, have slides. Though the sound of racking a bolt on a rifle or pumping the fore-end on a shotgun might scare someone off, too -- provided there was a reasonable assumption the sound came from a real weapon, not just the toy noisemakers that replaced all the confiscated guns.Really? wrote: ↑...but why don't we all market pretend shotgun noisemakers instead of real childkillers because that will sway all those who are opposed.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:04 pmMy friend boasts how she scared off a perp with just the sound of her racking the slide. I said yeah you just left it to someone else to finish the job
The best spin I can put on Pelosi's decision is: she's hoping to minimize the damage by taking some early, so the radicals will look foolish now that the anodyne transcript has been released. But mostly this adds to the narrative that Dems are sore losers and grasping for straws.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑I hope Pelosi knows something we don't, for her sake, because this looks like Trump inviting the Dems to faceplant and the case against Biden is more convincing.
While this was clearly a bad shoot and the officer involved should be spending some time in jail, the situation is much more nuanced than commonly believed. The widely-held narrative is that he shot a fleeing man who he then falsely accused of having taken his taser, which he then planted near the body. In actuality, a careful analysis of the cleaned up video shows the victim did indeed grab the officer's taser, but then threw it behind the officer and started fleeing when the officer reached for his firearm. After the shooting, the officer retrieved the taser and initially planted it near the victim but picked it up 30 seconds later (probably because he noticed there were witnesses). This isn't speculation, it's pretty conclusive from this short CBC documentary:Hunt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:25 am
Here's shoot til down: This MF wouldn't have served a day in prison if it weren't for the camera recording him. He feared for his life (surprise). As is, the first trial against him ending with a hung jury! The only reason he was handed a 20 year sentence was that the feds stepped in and charged him with civil rights violations and obstruction of justice. Under the Trump admin there's every reason to think this waste of skin would still be on the streets.
FEELZ B4 REALZ
A tendentious polemic, from a White Guilt SJW advocate of restorative justice , comprised mostly of argument by assertion, but also riddled with egregious factual errors and omissions of fact.... there is evidence that cops can operate other than the American way. In fact, European cops are less lethal in the double digit rates:
https://theconversation.com/why-do-amer ... cops-49696
Wilson twice issued verbal warnings to Brown, and only fired after the 300 lb. thug charged him, slammed him against the police cruiser, and attempted to take his pistol. Wilson appropriately fired repeatedly until Brown stopped his attack, and 6 rounds seems about right given the situation and Brown’s bulk. The DOJ agreed in its exhaustive investigation of the case.… the unfounded fear of Darren Wilson – the former Ferguson cop who fatally shot Michael Brown – that Brown was armed would not have likely absolved him in Europe….. Six shots would likely be deemed disproportionate to the threat that Brown, unarmed and wounded, allegedly posed.
I get it. You and Hirschfield want the US to have a national police force, suitably castrated, like in tiny crime-free countries like Denmark and Finland. But the USA is not anything like Denmark or Finland. Bottom line, the reasons cops kill more perps in the US is because in the US we have more perps to kill. Now, this little self-loathing dickless wonder believes that’s because we weren’t nice enough to unruly black students in school, driving them to a life of crime, so the remedy is to be nice to them after they commit crimes — i.e., “more generous, supportive and therapeutic policies”. But that’s a discussion for another day.It's American exceptionalism, the knee jerk tendency to think that what works in American doesn't have to conform to, or be informed by, other standards (because we're so speeecial) that consigns us to a particular type of retardation.
Police academy training is generally 6 months, with a prerequisite of an associate's degree, (bachelor's for federal positions), typically in criminal justice. Then followed by 6-12 months probation on-the-job training, with on-going, periodic training throughout one's career.Pitchguest wrote: ↑ I speculate. I gather that their police training is either inadequate or that standards what makes a good police officer are inadequate. Either way, I think there ought to be some scrutiny.
Okay, that's 500 OIS p/a for 100,000 total LEO and uncounted millions of interactions. Last time I checked the WaPo database I counted only 2 to 3 dozen OIS p/a that didn't involve either an ongoing crime or a perp wielding a deadly weapon. And some of those 'unarmed' individuals were carrying 'toy guns', i.e., replica airsoft guns, like the 1911 pistol replica (top, real below) that Tamir Rice drew and aimed at the cop:I don't know. But if the statistics say 500 officer related shootings per year, and the amount of shootings by officers that are not justified number, say, fifty or more, then you can do the math.me wrote: In what percentage of LEO-civilian interactions does the cop 'go overboard'?
No, seriously. It'd be madness to take a shot, stop and take a peek to assess your handiwork, rinse, repeat while the perp waits patiently.Come on, mate. This is such an 'internet tough guy' line. :snooty:me wrote:It all happens in an instant and you keep shooting until the perp is down. Anyone who doesn't fire at least three rounds in quick succession should not wield a handgun.
QFT.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑ While this was clearly a bad shoot and the officer involved should be spending some time in jail, the situation is much more nuanced than commonly believed. The widely-held narrative is that he shot a fleeing man who he then falsely accused of having taken his taser, which he then planted near the body. In actuality, a careful analysis of the cleaned up video shows the victim did indeed grab the officer's taser, but then threw it behind the officer and started fleeing when the officer reached for his firearm....
Given those facts, it's reasonable to believe the officer did at least momentarily fear for his life. The fact he continued shooting a fleeing man even past the point a taser represented a threat was then the problem. I think this pretty clearly falls under manslaughter at worst, not murder.
My folks live in Alameda, and it was indeed an unusual 93º yesterday.
A few more training exercises (I won't imbed but definitely watch):
Hunt wrote: ↑People are just not used to an impassioned speech.Pitchguest wrote: ↑ Yeah, I don't usually use this word but yikes! I had my doubts when I found out Greta is the daughter of a famous actress/singer/eco-activist but that speech is just... unhinged.
The wingtardery here is getting a little thick of late. Might be time for me to check out.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ Hey, let's make a severely mentally-ill child our world spokesperson for climate change action. That'll win over the folks we've failed to so far!
If you think our disappointment in activists' failure to effectively persuade others to combat climate change = 'wingtardery', then yeah, maybe you should flounce off to the safe confines of some SJW echo chamber.Hunt wrote: ↑Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ Hey, let's make a severely mentally-ill child our world spokesperson for climate change action. That'll win over the folks we've failed to so far!The wingtardery here is getting a little thick of late. Might be time for me to check out.Pitchguest wrote: ↑ Yeah, I don't usually use this word but yikes! I had my doubts when I found out Greta is the daughter of a famous actress/singer/eco-activist but that speech is just... unhinged.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑If you think our disappointment in activists' failure to effectively persuade others to combat climate change = 'wingtardery', then yeah, maybe you should flounce off to the safe confines of some SJW echo chamber.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ As his prime example of “a pattern of unnecessary deadly force used by US police”, Hirschfield highlights the case of a cop emptying his magazine into Laquan McDonald, claiming this would not happen if only US police first issued warnings. He omits every salient a few minor details, such as: McDonald was wandering the streets high on PCP, behaving erratically, vandalizing cars, and brandishing a knife at passersby; the cops had been following McDonald for blocks calling for him to drop the knife; they continued to verbally warn him even after he’d slashed the tires of a couple of police cars; McDonald repeatedly brandished the knife at the cops and lunged at them; an instant before being shot, McDonald again lunged at the cops cautiously approaching him.
What, you still hangin round this alt-right site? Bummer ThinkProgress shut down, but there's always Daily Kos.
The biggest problem I see is that all the noise is about just saying "something must be done!". I'm reminded of that line from Yes, Minister:KiwiInOz wrote: ↑I'm tending to agree with you on this. Like Brian, she actively claims not to be the Messiah and doesn't want to be the face of anything. I doubt that her parents have forced her to do anything, but of course she has been influenced by the discussions they have had.
Why don't they get a scientist or someone else to speak more authoritatively? Where the fuck have you been (not you, Hunt). People and institutions with authoritative voices have been putting it out there for decades. David Attenborough has just said the same things that she has, for fucks sake, and hasn't been piled on.
Of course she was impassioned. There has been plenty of hot air but fuck all progress from our political leaders on an issue with profound implications for the world we live in. She and the rest of the youth have a very valid stake in that.
Fuck you (not you, Hunt).
I think this is an utterly nonsensical interpretation for reasons I'll get to in a moment. However, I'm one of those truly bleeding of bleeding heart libs who doesn't believe in severe sentencing. Sorry to confirm Matt "Duke" Cavanaugh's suspicions of me, but it's Scandinavian model all the way for me. So 20 years may well be a travesty. Rehabilitate, reform, educate and sensitize, perhaps even a schmuck like Slager might make a decent citizen in five or six years.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑ While this was clearly a bad shoot and the officer involved should be spending some time in jail, the situation is much more nuanced than commonly believed. The widely-held narrative is that he shot a fleeing man who he then falsely accused of having taken his taser, which he then planted near the body. In actuality, a careful analysis of the cleaned up video shows the victim did indeed grab the officer's taser, but then threw it behind the officer and started fleeing when the officer reached for his firearm. After the shooting, the officer retrieved the taser and initially planted it near the victim but picked it up 30 seconds later (probably because he noticed there were witnesses). This isn't speculation, it's pretty conclusive from this short CBC documentary:
Given those facts, it's reasonable to believe the officer did at least momentarily fear for his life. The fact he continued shooting a fleeing man even past the point a taser represented a threat was then the problem. I think this pretty clearly falls under manslaughter at worst, not murder. This evidence was present at the first trial (for murder), and is the main reason it resulted in a hung jury, not racism. What's scary in this case is that almost everybody reached a conclusion right away and after that it was "don't confuse me with evidence, I know what I know". The federal civil rights case gave him a murder 2 equivalent sentence, which based on these facts is a travesty.
First, maybe, second a definite yes. Dirty Harry wannabe shooting through windshield and then spraying bullets all around the neighborhood. You consider this good policing. Have you gone completely off your rocker?Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ Is it safe to assume that you'd find the number of rounds discharged in these instances "egregious"?
Perhaps it's my terrible written English (thick cunt) or poor powers of expression? My point has always been focused upon events after the decision to employ lethal force has been made. I'm also firmly in the camp that insists upon personal responsibility and accountability for all actions taken.
I'm tending to agree with you on this. Like Brian, she actively claims not to be the Messiah and doesn't want to be the face of anything. I doubt that her parents have forced her to do anything, but of course she has been influenced by the discussions they have had.KiwiInOz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:17 pmHunt wrote: ↑People are just not used to an impassioned speech.Pitchguest wrote: ↑ Yeah, I don't usually use this word but yikes! I had my doubts when I found out Greta is the daughter of a famous actress/singer/eco-activist but that speech is just... unhinged.
The wingtardery here is getting a little thick of late. Might be time for me to check out.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ Hey, let's make a severely mentally-ill child our world spokesperson for climate change action. That'll win over the folks we've failed to so far!
The first thing that should be done is for governments to spend more resources actually figuring out what can be done and encouraging private enterprise to come up with solutions. It isn't as if there aren't things that can be done now anyway. Look at Potholer's video on conservative solutions to climate change. He actually mentions some of the things that were done in Australia which worked. Trouble is that there are people with a vested interest in ensuring that nothing is ever tried. It's the will that's lacking. The current tack of delayers, which is to acknowledge AGW but claim it isn't as bad as you think, is the most effective strategy yet because it makes it much easier for people to ignore AGW with a clear conscience and that makes it much harder for governments to act with conviction.Keating wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:56 pmThe biggest problem I see is that all the noise is about just saying "something must be done!". I'm reminded of that line from Yes, Minister:KiwiInOz wrote: ↑I'm tending to agree with you on this. Like Brian, she actively claims not to be the Messiah and doesn't want to be the face of anything. I doubt that her parents have forced her to do anything, but of course she has been influenced by the discussions they have had.
Why don't they get a scientist or someone else to speak more authoritatively? Where the fuck have you been (not you, Hunt). People and institutions with authoritative voices have been putting it out there for decades. David Attenborough has just said the same things that she has, for fucks sake, and hasn't been piled on.
Of course she was impassioned. There has been plenty of hot air but fuck all progress from our political leaders on an issue with profound implications for the world we live in. She and the rest of the youth have a very valid stake in that.
Fuck you (not you, Hunt).
What are the concrete plans that should be done? From the ACT:
[*]Banning single use plastic bags in supermarkets? It's not clear that's a net reduction, given the much higher costs involved in making the tougher reusable bags, everyone has switched to.
[*]Introducing a bottle deposit scheme? From my research, recycling of aluminium cans and plastic drink bottles was about the only profitable part of kerbside recycling. Most of the rest goes to landfill (now that it can't be dumped in China). Now that a deposit scheme has been introduced, there is absolutely no money in kerbside recycling and everything is going to landfill. (Plus, there's also now people who go through your yellow bin looking for bottles and leaving a mess.)
[*]Build a tram? It's standard government white elephant, with the usual corruption. Plus, the bus transport network has been destroyed to try and force people onto the trams, but the side effect is that a lot of people switched back to cars.
[*]Rooftop solar rebates? It's fairly obvious in Canberra that this is nothing but middle class welfare. It's easy to see that well off suburbs almost all have solar panels, whereas the poorer suburbs don't.
[*]I'm not sold on large lithium ion battery farms, which the ACT government is looking at. Lithium mining and refining is fairly costly in terms of environmental impact, and they don't last very long.
Larger scale, all of modern civilisation runs on cheap energy. Everything is solvable and doable with cheap energy. It's the reason there's far fewer people in extreme poverty today than any other time in history. Wealthy people are also more likely to care about their environment because their base needs have already been met. For Australia, we should have started building nuclear reactors 10 years ago.