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I'm watching Giuliani's election hearing in Arizona.

I thought the hearing in Pennsylvania was solid: credible expert witnesses, sympathetic normal-voters who experienced problems, Giuliani gave a good speech. The worst part was Trump phoning-in and doing his usual hyperbole sales pitch.

Arizona-- isn't as good. The expert witnesses lapse into jargon, fumble with the powerpoint projector, speak too long without getting to the point. The regular volunteer lady seemed to have seen troubling things-- but couldn't clearly articulate what she'd seen/ or firmly state that what-she-saw was truly significant.

For some insane reason-- Bernard Kerik was seated not-far-behind the witness stand-- so he's on camera a lot. Do you know who Bernard Kerik is? If not-- look him up. Then ask WHAT THE FUCK is he doing in that room. yes-- he's there because he's a close crony of Giuliani. But Bernard Kerik is an immensely suspicious person. Even if he was cleared or pardoned of his infamous charges-- even if he was framed by political enemies. It's a terrible idea for him to be in the room, distracting from the claim that Democrats rigged the election. Bernard Kerik is the sort of person who rigs elections-- he doesn't make Trump's team look like the good guys.

I skimmed over Matt Braynard from the Voter Integrity Fund and Dr. Shiva-- because I've seen other videos about their election findings. Maybe their Arizona presentations were more persuasive. I couldn't tell ya.

Then another guy spoke. Tousled wavy hair, kinda like Rand Paul. He didn't give his name when he started speaking. And the lawmaker who introduced him mumbled. So I looked up articles about the hearing-- seeking his name. What I discovered was... multiple articles with a just-the-facts tone... seemingly reporting on the contents of the hearing. They say Giulani spoke. They say the first expert spoke. They say the volunteer lady spoke... and then the article just ends. As if that was the whole hearing. That was, like, the first hour-and-a-half of... like seven or nine hours!

The tousled hair guy is named Bobby Piton. It's hard to find any article mentioning him at all. Despite him being a mathematician who claims to have uncovered the most massive voter fraud in American history-- spanning many elections prior to this one! Twitter fucking BANNED HIS ACCOUNT -while- he was on the stand testifying!

His testimony was rushed & unclear & I wanted to kick him in the balls when he told unfunny jokes-- instead of making any sense. BUT... I think the evidence he failed to present... might have been really good? As best I could understand--- he took Arizona state data about voters.... and broke-it-down into minute categories. For example: Arizona voters can describe themselves on their registration form as Male, Female, or Undisclosed. And their age is known, because their birthdate is collected. And apparently there's some record of whether the person is Far Left, Left, Center, Right, or Far Right. So this guy took all those demographic categories-- in every Arizona county-- and sorted every voter into all the possible sub-categories. How many 18 year old/ Male/ Far Left Voters? How many 19 year old/Female/Left Voters. How many 20 year old/ Undisclosed/ Center voters?

This guy found some screwy stuff: such as voters of Undisclosed Sex all voting in lockstep with at 94% turnout rate.

I don't know-- is he nuts? Go play with a search engine. You won't find much reporting on Bobby Piton. Which is creepy.

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Well at least Twitter isn’t banning official Chicom Govt torture porn seeking to inflame international tensions.
Because that would be truly dystopic eh?

But those mathematicians on the other hand ...

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Brive1987 wrote: Well at least Twitter isn’t banning official Chicom Govt torture porn seeking to inflame international tensions.
Because that would be truly dystopic eh?

But those mathematicians on the other hand ...
Could be worse...


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I just read a claim by some gay, shut-in internet bottom-feeder dweeb...

that the m&m's candies Hunter Biden balanced on his dick & photographed...
weren't normal m&ms.
He used the "mini m&m" variety, to make his dick look bigger.

I didn't know mini m&m's existed. I won't be zooming-in on the photo to verify.

But if this is true... it's the most Biden thing ever.

It's like claiming to be arrested for meeting Nelson Mandela...

...but it turns-out you were just sniffing Emmanuel Lewis.


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KiwiInOz wrote: I have a sneaking feeling the Matt's ex wife ran away with a junior Democrat ballot counter 30 years ago, which explains his abiding hatred of them.
That's funny. My ex ended up 5150'd in a mental hospital. I was a sometimes paid Dem campaign operative back in those days.

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6hours40mins into yesterday's Arizona election hearing feed-- finally there's a grey haired woman who speaks coherently-- and actually provides more insight into what-went-wrong than she initially promised. Instead of promising a lot & delivering less.

Followed by a grey haired guy who is also excellent. This feed is 11 fucking hours long & then I'll be caught-up...
...so I can watch today's Michigan hearing, now in progress.

Gonna take a breather soon & buy a $30 craigslist guitar from some black dude in the projects.
Get a little fresh air, smoke a cigar, breathe some public-housing-herd-immunity covid air .

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Hunt wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: - How Pennsylvania counted 700,000 more absentee ballots than it mailed out.
This apparently stems from a typo on the PA Dept. of State website, which didn't subtract absentee ballot counts returned in the primary election, making it look like more were received in the actual election than were sent out.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 450032002/
Thanks for clearing that up. Chalk it up to sloppy reporting by the election board, which instills so much confidence in them.

The figures quoted in that article point to other anomalies with the mail-ins:

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It's bit hard to sort out, as we're comparing registration vs. votes cast, but it looks like Biden voters were remarkably diligent in returning their ballots*. The low return rate for registered Republicans might be explained by large numbers of them later choosing to vote in person. In normal years, significant numbers of absentee ballots are not returned in roughly equal measure by Dems and Republicans (though Dems always have poorer turnout overall). We know Biden supporters were encouraged to vote by mail this year. But for Biden to receive more mail-in votes than ballots requested by Dems, either large numbers of Republicans voted for him, or pretty much every independent either voted for Biden or didn't bother to send in the ballot they requested.

It would be interesting to see data on party affiliation of in-person voters. In PA, party affiliation is c. 55/45 Dem/GOP, but large numbers of registered Dems now vote Republican.

So here again, the mail-in ballots, in an quantity ten times that of previous presidential elections, and which were responsible for Biden's surge into the lead, display multiple, unprecedented anomalies. And I'm left wondering just who all these millions of Biden voters are, who this year behaved dramatically different than Dem voters in every prior election.


* Tens of thousands who were so eager, they apparently returned their ballots either the same day they were mailed out, or even the day before. Another prima facie impossibility that demands an explanation.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. Chalk it up to sloppy reporting by the election board
The wording of that USA Today article is telling-- grammar twisted to avoid saying the State's wrong numbers were 'false claims'.
But the Trump supporters who spotted the State's wrong numbers-- are guilty of 'false claims' for questioning the accuracy of the incorrect numbers.
The entire story wasn't considered newsworthy-- until a version which absolved Biden emerged.
Then suddenly it's mainstream news.

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Old_ones wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:55 am
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to address what I said? Do you dispute that the Democrats took steps to remove or water down safeguards? Do you dispute that lack of signature matching and ballot rejection rates are an issue? As for why lawsuits are being rejected or why they are being rejected, that is a more complex issue and it can be far more political than people assume. There are apparently many ways for judges to dismiss lawsuits they'd rather not hear which have nothing to do with the merits of the case, such as the old "no standing because Injury not yet occurred , too late, moot case, injury already occurred" bind. Trump does not need to prove any fraud at all to challenge the integrity of the results. He only needs to prove that the integrity of enough votes is in question and he has a very strong legal case. This is why the question of signature matching is crucial and why the media are spinning so hard sneering at the other avenues. The legal process has only just begun despite what the MSM is saying. It may well be up to the Supreme Court in the end. I would suggest listening to people such as Richard Baris for a more informative take on the issues with the election because comfort consumption of the vitriolic Trump hating press is not going to be very enlightening. I would also suggest listening to Robert Barnes regarding the shortcomings of judges and the legal process. While he does have some bees in his bonnet he may give you pause to reconsider how easy it is to get a case fairly heard and how political the courts can be.
I don't really have any interest in talking to you or listening to what you have to say, to be blunt. I would definitely never listen to any source recommended by you. The world you describe in your posts has no fucking relation to the one the actually exists, and I'm not really interested in crawling into some sort of Q-tard alternate reality bubble where the Mueller investigation was a coup attempt, and Donald Trump is an honest man who just can't catch a break.

Sorry if that is "disheartening". If it's any consolation you dishearten me as well.
So I take it that you have no reply to the signature matching issue or the ridiculously low rejection rates?

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:00 am
Old_ones wrote: The point is this: if you want to obtain a murder conviction or overturn an election, you have a higher burden of proof. If Trump's legal team is going into a courtroom with statistical anomalies and alleging fraud on that basis, then it's no secret why that shit is being thrown out of court, and it has nothing to do with who the judge was elected by (Matt Cavanaugh). For all their problems the courts have a pretty decent framework in place for evaluating evidence....
The GOP sued PA before the election over the SOS's unconstitutional allowance of voting by mail without cause. The judge threw out the complaint on the grounds they had no standing as the election hadn't occurred yet. After the election, the judge threw out the complaint under the doctrine of 'laches', i.e., they waited too long to complain, and should have said something before the election.

The evidence itself, that PA's state constitution prohibits vote-by-mail except in certain, explicitly enumerated, for-cause instances, is uncontested.
And Amy Coney Whatsit declined to hear a review of the PA case, citing too little time to come up to speed, so the ruling stood. Barnes was right on the money when he predicted that Barrett was going to be unreliable outside of gun control and religion.

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Old_ones wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:11 am
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Oh FFS! It really is disheartening. None of the exposure of how Russiagate unfolded ever happened, it as all just "wailing". It was his "own government". You seem to know very little of what actually transpired but then I suspect you don't care.
Clinton folded because she didn't have a case and she knew it. She didn't respect the result, she went on and on about Trump being an illegitimate president citing an investigation she manufactured.
As opposed to Trump, who doesn't have a case, and still doesn't concede. Maybe he doesn't know it. He's such a pathological liar it's really hard to gauge what he actually believes. As usual, Clinton was still the better human being.

I know lots about how Russiagate unfolded because I followed it closely. It was a legitimate investigation that started with evidence being given to the FBI and led to multiple convictions. It ultimately did not unseat Trump or lead to any of his family being indicted. This was not because no evidence of contacts with Russia existed. There were contacts between Manafort and Kilimnik for instance, which were suspicious. It just wasn't enough. I'm referring to it in shorthand because the details are beside the point. If it was a coup then so was the Whitewater investigation and the Watergate investigation.
Maybe Kilimnik wasn't who they said he was. . But you know everything you need to know, so don't bother.

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Service Dog wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:46 pm
We're all familiar with Creationists pointing-to the statistical improbability of Earth maintaining a habitable temperature, or one specific sperm winning the race to fertilize an egg-- multiplied across countless generations-- as evidence of the Hand Of God exerting supernatural influence.
And we're all familiar with the Atheist retort-- Reality is what it is. After the fact, the odds of things being the way they are is 100%. Things had to be some-way. It turned out this way. Any big data set has improbable freak occurrences.

Well we aren't talking about The Big Bang, Evolution, Quantuum Physics. This is just an election in a few hick states in a few run-down cities.

When we see "profoundly" "bizarre" "too extreme along multiple dimensions to be accepted at face value" "aberrations" of Biblical Proportions-- it's probably-not necessary to invoke Schrodinger's Cat rolling dice in the voting machine. There's nothing profound about it.

And when the skeptics are ordered to stand 60 feet away from the magic trick-- and the judges refuse to look at the evidence before ruling-- there's a real obvious explanation for that too.

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One aspect of the stat report worth mentioning-- is a bit of 'what if' at the end. Looking at the 4 hugest latenight batches of votes for Biden which were such freakish outliers-- that they deviate beyond the cluster which includes 99.92% of batches. The report asks: what if those specific results weren't Quite So amazingly unusual... in the EXACT RIGHT BATTLEGROUNDS where Biden NEEDED to win? What if those batches were only slanted toward Biden at the 99% percentile edge-of-probability? ...suddenly Biden sheds 118,000 votes in Wisconsin. 123,000 in Michigan. 85,000 in Georgia. Biden sheds 42 electoral college votes. 42

That's quite a rounding-error.
I think I'll become a criminal defence lawyer. Angry Old Bloke has come up with the perfect defence. "Your honour, the DNA match may be 99.99% reliable, yet my client is innocent. Burden of proof dude, suck on it!"

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Old_ones wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:11 am
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Oh FFS! It really is disheartening. None of the exposure of how Russiagate unfolded ever happened, it as all just "wailing". It was his "own government". You seem to know very little of what actually transpired but then I suspect you don't care.
Clinton folded because she didn't have a case and she knew it. She didn't respect the result, she went on and on about Trump being an illegitimate president citing an investigation she manufactured.
As opposed to Trump, who doesn't have a case, and still doesn't concede. Maybe he doesn't know it. He's such a pathological liar it's really hard to gauge what he actually believes. As usual, Clinton was still the better human being.

I know lots about how Russiagate unfolded because I followed it closely. It was a legitimate investigation that started with evidence being given to the FBI and led to multiple convictions. It ultimately did not unseat Trump or lead to any of his family being indicted. This was not because no evidence of contacts with Russia existed. There were contacts between Manafort and Kilimnik for instance, which were suspicious. It just wasn't enough. I'm referring to it in shorthand because the details are beside the point. If it was a coup then so was the Whitewater investigation and the Watergate investigation.
Maybe Kilimnik wasn't who they said he was. . But you know everything you need to know, so don't bother.

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Actress Ellen Page has announced that she is now a non-binary trans man.

Welcome to toxic masculinity, Elliot Roger Page. Just kidding. I meant to say...

Greg-or Elliot "E.T." La-den

(von Frankëngëndër-Forëhëadskin)


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US Attorney General and Trump supporter, William Barr, says that there is no evidence of fraud that would have affected the outcome of the election.

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Service Dog wrote: Actress Ellen Page has announced that she is now a non-binary trans man.

Welcome to toxic masculinity, Elliot Roger Page. Just kidding. I meant to say...

Greg-or Elliot "E.T." La-den

(von Frankëngëndër-Forëhëadskin)
Please try to have a little sensitivity...

...the correct gender-neutral term is actor.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: I have a sneaking feeling the Matt's ex wife ran away with a junior Democrat ballot counter 30 years ago, which explains his abiding hatred of them.
That's funny. My ex ended up 5150'd in a mental hospital. I was a sometimes paid Dem campaign operative back in those days.
Now you bring facts into the story.

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Service Dog wrote: Actress Ellen Page has announced that she is now a non-binary trans man.
Welcome to toxic masculinity, Elliot Roger Page.
I thought everyone with the forename Elliot turns out to be an incel mass killer?

Anyway, in more cheerful news:
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More cheerful news:

Puberty blockers: Under-16s 'unlikely' to be able to give informed consent
Children under 16 with gender dysphoria are unlikely to be able to give informed consent to undergo treatment with puberty-blocking drugs, three High Court judges have ruled.
The case was brought against Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust, which said it was "disappointed" but immediately suspended such referrals for under-16s.

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Oh noes!

AG Barr ???ISN'T??? an obedient henchman who does exactly what Trump wants?!!

This is going to come as a Complete Shock to Trump's fans. They were soooooooooo sure Barr blindly, promptly did Trump's nefarious bidding!

If only they had listened to Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon and the Lincoln Project...

...who warned us about neocon deep-state hacks in the GOP-- backstabbers who view Trump as intruding on their rotten business-as-usual !

hey

wait

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Service Dog wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:04 pm
Oh noes!

AG Barr ???ISN'T??? an obedient henchman who does exactly what Trump wants?!!

This is going to come as a Complete Shock to Trump's fans. They were soooooooooo sure Barr blindly, promptly did Trump's nefarious bidding!

If only they had listened to Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon and the Lincoln Project...

...who warned us about neocon deep-state hacks in the GOP-- backstabbers who view Trump as intruding on their rotten business-as-usual !

hey

wait

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Yes, Trump is the dictatorial would be emperor who somehow failed to do an Obama and staff departments with his lackeys. His "own FBI", gasp!, investigated him so he must be something or other. The professional Trump hunters now have to decide whether Barr is still an evil lackey or their new resistance hero.

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JOHN D.

evict your wife

found you a better one!

right in your neighborhood


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I must admit that I have been quite disappointed that Trump might well be out, but then if what people supposedly in the know are saying he is far from the petulant child some people like to think he is and is responding well to the situation. He has really had his eyes opened now to the disloyalty around him. He would very likely purge a lot of people he should have purged a long time ago with a second term, but he'd still be an outsider without a really loyal staff around him. He must have realised now that McConnell and co. have used him to install justices favourable to the establishment GOP. If he does what some have speculated and builds a real political movement he might come back much stronger and politically aware in 2024. The haters who assume he will slink off in accordance with their expectations may be in for a surprise. Who knows.

Whatever happens the veil has been pulled back enough that permanent change is probable. Let Biden sell off a bit more US family silverware to the Chinese, drone strike a few more kids, spy on a few more of his compatriots, dip his oar in to fuck up Brexit and re-introduce as many time-honoured failed policies as he can because he and his administration will hopefully not last long.

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That Arizona hearing was such a waste of my time.
Michigan is a completely different story.
These people are better than The Simpsons townfolk.
And they tell their stories like Patrice O'Neal.



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What the fuck is wrong with those Michiganders' hair? Something in the water? Do they all come from Flint?

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Lsuoma wrote: What the fuck is wrong with those Michiganders' hair? Something in the water? Do they all come from Flint?
Did you see the person with the leopard-print footstool, behind Angry McSantabeard? (5m41s, for example)

And the legislator lady with the face-shield with an animal-print headband plus snakeskin sweatshirt (start of the dominion chick video)

And the Christopher Walken haired old guy who asked the dominion chick for her phone number... then a mexican version of Christopher Walken hair... at the end of same video... https://youtu.be/uOwbJqPlXHI?t=1051 (Her response is awesome, too.)

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DOJ spokesperson: “Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the Department has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election. That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated. The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible.”

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Important Hair testimony continues...



this guy & rittenhouse are my favorite americans this year

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I've got a bit of catching up to do on my viewing - has anyone seen 'Out of the Unknown' ?

It's a BBC series - one of the episodes was an adaption of 'The Machine Stops'.

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Brive1987 wrote:
Weapons can hurt.

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I think I'm one step removed from gun culture.

I remember my dad talking about taking his dog out one last time and then coming back alone and selling his rifle - before moving to the city.

Which gives an excuse for the following I suppose...




No judgement on my part - for anyone more intimately acquainted with such tech...

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Service Dog wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:39 pm
That Arizona hearing was such a waste of my time.
Michigan is a completely different story.
These people are better than The Simpsons townfolk.
And they tell their stories like Patrice O'Neal.
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The woman describes a fairly typical contractor in my experience. Contractual obligations and standards are things that apply when inspectors and cameras are around and temp staff training is an unnecessary expense.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:39 pm
That Arizona hearing was such a waste of my time.
Michigan is a completely different story.
These people are better than The Simpsons townfolk.
And they tell their stories like Patrice O'Neal.
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The woman describes a fairly typical contractor in my experience. Contractual obligations and standards are things that apply when inspectors and cameras are around and temp staff training is an unnecessary expense.
Some of my state's finest.... haha.

Michigan has a large number of people who think things that happen in government are always corrupt. Sometimes I go to city council meetings and there is inevitably some guy who takes up 15 minutes of the question period... railing about some specific contract that he is sure was fraud. He has no proof... just a long string of odd claims. Finally the council has to tell him to leave because other people have questions. He goes away sore and is convinced he was just about to make a breakthrough except the politicians shut him down. He will return for the next meeting and make the same claim... haha. (Of course.... sometimes the government is corrupt... but you are not going to prove anything just by bitching). So, what we see at these hearings is a long list of those same people talking about things looking "fishy".

I agree that the blond contractor had some strange nest on her head. The other people looked pretty normal to me... haha... so I guess this is just how we look around here. Animal prints are always a good choice!

Our famous ladies in Michigan set the tone. Lately, women in their 50s enjoy wearing leather jackets. GMs CEO, Mary Barra, loves wearing a leather bomber jacket. It cracks me up. The governor, and secretary of state, and attorney general are all ovulaters in Michigan. The Gretch also loves to wear leather. Ovulaters everywhere you look....with leather. Bitches gotta be tough in their biker clothes at work.

https://fortune.com/2019/02/19/leather- ... er-outfit/

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: I must admit that I have been quite disappointed that Trump might well be out, but then if what people supposedly in the know are saying he is far from the petulant child some people like to think he is and is responding well to the situation. He has really had his eyes opened now to the disloyalty around him. He would very likely purge a lot of people he should have purged a long time ago with a second term, but he'd still be an outsider without a really loyal staff around him. He must have realised now that McConnell and co. have used him to install justices favourable to the establishment GOP. If he does what some have speculated and builds a real political movement he might come back much stronger and politically aware in 2024. The haters who assume he will slink off in accordance with their expectations may be in for a surprise. Who knows.

Whatever happens the veil has been pulled back enough that permanent change is probable. Let Biden sell off a bit more US family silverware to the Chinese, drone strike a few more kids, spy on a few more of his compatriots, dip his oar in to fuck up Brexit and re-introduce as many time-honoured failed policies as he can because he and his administration will hopefully not last long.
I have to say, I don't see the appeal. To be honest, in 2016 I was open to being surprised. Maybe the guy was going to surprise us with innovative, groundbreaking ideas. I never thought he was a terrible guy and actually kind of liked his personality. Yes, he was rich and born rich. All the baggage that that entails impinged on my opinion as a left-winger, but I was still willing to give him a chance. Since then, he basically showed his policies were garden variety rewarmed Republican left-overs. Tax cuts for rich, tax cuts for bidness, anti-environmentalism, trickle down. It was really a major disappointment for me. I saw nothing new and was left with his personality, which was, increasingly, venal, arrogant, narcissistic, utterly un-presidential.

Maybe you have reasons to like him, maybe you saw something different. I don't think I have TDS or ever did; perhaps you can explain the appeal. What did you see that I didn't?

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John D wrote: Lately, women in their 50s enjoy wearing leather jackets.
Similar to a longstanding look among rich older ladies on the upper east side... I started calling them 'unintentional dominatrixes' because another truck driver used to spot them on sidewalks & crosswalks... and he'd mumble "oh you dirty old minx, you!" like Bill Murray in Caddyshack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9XcXniI3JQ

It's the usual rich old lady look... but with a random assortment of spike heeled black boots-- to the knee. belts made of chains, military epaulets. Leather gloves... all sorts of ways to look like a fascist dictator.

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Maybe the middle-aged-rebel women you're describing... are in the early-stages of the old-age pinochet women I'm describing.

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Women like to fortify their tuff edge by dabbling in manly symbolism. Decades ago, actual Cowboys begat Western movies, and cowboy fashion for men. Which provided a ready-made setting for western Romance Novels, and women donning cowboy boots & hats & such. Eventually-- the female version is far more ongoing than the male original.

As tattoos shift from sailors-only ...to more-men ...to majority of women --eventually getting a tattoo might be as feminine-only as wearing make-up. The men who decorate themselves with tatttoos will be dabbling in femininity. Maybe we're already there-- seems like women aren't limiting themselves to flowers and dolphins... they're embracing 'stick-and-poke' prison-tattoos now.

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Project Veritas releasing recordings of CNN executive conference calls, one a day.


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Why were crate loads of completed ballots being shipped from New York to Pennsylvania in late October?


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100K ballots back-dated by USPS in Wisconsin appear day after election, truck driver set up to take the fall for 'forgetting' to deliver them on election day:


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Hunt wrote: I have to say, I don't see the appeal. To be honest, in 2016 I was open to being surprised. Maybe the guy was going to surprise us with innovative, groundbreaking ideas. I never thought he was a terrible guy and actually kind of liked his personality. Yes, he was rich and born rich. All the baggage that that entails impinged on my opinion as a left-winger, but I was still willing to give him a chance. Since then, he basically showed his policies were garden variety rewarmed Republican left-overs. Tax cuts for rich, tax cuts for bidness, anti-environmentalism, trickle down. It was really a major disappointment for me. I saw nothing new and was left with his personality, which was, increasingly, venal, arrogant, narcissistic, utterly un-presidential.

Maybe you have reasons to like him, maybe you saw something different. I don't think I have TDS or ever did; perhaps you can explain the appeal. What did you see that I didn't?

I found this post to be enlightening.

On one hand-- you fault Trump for not being 'innovative', 'groundbreaking', for offering the same-old policies.

On the other hand-- your own thinking, as-expressed in the post-- is the same-old normie critique:
The "Trickle Down" complaint emerged when Mr. T was a a hot, new celebrity. :character-mrt:
"Bidness" was newspaper columnist Molly Ivins' term for big business intersecting with politics... back during Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton. She died 13 years ago. :character-oldtimer:

I agree with your assessment that Trump was too-willing to employ disappointing, re-warmed Republican Leftovers like John Bolton and Jeff Sessions; and the same-old polices they represent. Many who put faith in Trump wondered why he did that.

The part that's enlightening is--

--maybe people like you are the reason Trump was so-often mired in the same old crap from the past. He was pandering to people who still see 'the Republicans' as a useful monolithic term. Still see 'trickle-down' as a relevant theory (whether they're for or against it). Still think 'environmentalists' are opponents of corporate greed-- (environmentalism evolved into a greedy corporate machine, long ago).

And that's why We Can't Have Unconventional Things.

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It is a policy thing for me.

Why I liked Trump:

1) significantly reduced regulation
2) no action on climate change (I think we should take no action on climate change.... honestly)
3) promote Israel as the foundation of Middle East peace
4) fucked China.... at least as much as possible give his limited options
5) pushed against illegal immigration... as much as possible given his limited options
6) pushed against the BS that police are basically racist including trying to end oversight

Why I didn't like Trump:

1) increased the power of radicals on the left... as a response to Trump's shitty behavior.
2) made limited progress on healthcare funding/restructuring

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John D wrote: 1) increased the power of radicals on the left... as a response to Trump's shitty behavior.
Trump's shitty behavior might be a response to the increased power of the radicals on the left

For example--- a best-behavior from Trump-- was when he responded to Charlottesville by denouncing the racist right/ but said there were good-people-on-both-sides of debate about confederate statues & flags. He called for union, not civil war.

Then the newly-powerful radical-left mainstream media-- flipped Trump's words backward in a years-long propaganda lie-campaign.

They denied Trump the High Road... so he re-routed. He went off-road. And they screamed bloody murder. And, yeah, it made normal people like you feel unsettled... rightly so.

But I don't think Trump has taken the Low Road. He never told MAGA hat wearing mobs to lynch Jussie Smollett, etc. Not like Bernie Sanders endorsing Antifa in October 2020, or Minnesota Secretary of State posting a selfie holding-up his Antifa Handbook.

Today I see Trump saying he'll be back in 2024. Trump haters won't see what a gift that is to national peace and unity. He's telling his supporters to chill the fuck out and wait 4 years... and there will still be normal elections in 2024. He's not saying democracy has been kidnapped and it's time to rise up and seize it back with guns. He's not doing all the shit people-like-Obama accused him of-- like barricading himself into the White House-- to be removed by the Navy Seals. That's another radical-left insane-conspiracy provocation... and Trump is just reacting to it.

Like I said to Hunt... do we really wanna complain when Trump is more-of-the-same? All talk no bite. Would we prefer actual rabid biting?

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I've got today's Lin Wood/ Sydney Powell press conference --streaming in a background window. It's wild. It makes a Trump Rally seem like a nursing home.

Over the top prayers-- mixing God with Trump and Guns. A bombastic national anthem performance. Speakers being introduced like a boxing match-- "In this cor-ner! Let's get ready to rummmmmbbbbleeeee!" Syndey Powell was introduced as "The Kraken"... crowd-work worthy of pro-wrestling.

If you wondered what QAnon was all about-- I now think it was a placeholder. A significant portion of the mob had a famished appetite for Answers to the Grand Conspiracy they're sure is all-around them. On the Left they have Patriarchy and Capitalism and Systematic Institutional Unconscious Racism to blame. On the right-- they listened to QAnon like on-hold music... until this Stolen Election provided a Feeding Frenzy of meaty stuff to sink their teeth into.

Less unsettling: the Georgia run-off race is the post-season Superbowl of this election, and Lin Wood & Sydney Powell are responding appropriately-- but getting back-into Political Campaign Mode... this is a big loud election rally, with vague patriotic speeches... designed to win the election. So don't miss the point by complaining that they're just dropping applause lines about the Kraken and the Troops and the Lord.... to rally their voters. Business as usual. (But they -are- playing with fire).

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Why I Liked Trump: He was entertaining. Nonstop. Everyday for four years.
Caveat: If Biden starts drooling down the front of his shirt while giving a speech, he wins the entertainment portion of our contest.

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mordacious1 wrote: Why I Liked Trump: He was entertaining. Nonstop. Everyday for four years.
Caveat: If Biden starts drooling down the front of his shirt while giving a speech, he wins the entertainment portion of our contest.
That settles it. We have a winner.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/1 ... ess-event/

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Service Dog wrote:
Hunt wrote: I have to say, I don't see the appeal. To be honest, in 2016 I was open to being surprised. Maybe the guy was going to surprise us with innovative, groundbreaking ideas. I never thought he was a terrible guy and actually kind of liked his personality. Yes, he was rich and born rich. All the baggage that that entails impinged on my opinion as a left-winger, but I was still willing to give him a chance. Since then, he basically showed his policies were garden variety rewarmed Republican left-overs. Tax cuts for rich, tax cuts for bidness, anti-environmentalism, trickle down. It was really a major disappointment for me. I saw nothing new and was left with his personality, which was, increasingly, venal, arrogant, narcissistic, utterly un-presidential.

Maybe you have reasons to like him, maybe you saw something different. I don't think I have TDS or ever did; perhaps you can explain the appeal. What did you see that I didn't?

I found this post to be enlightening.

On one hand-- you fault Trump for not being 'innovative', 'groundbreaking', for offering the same-old policies.

On the other hand-- your own thinking, as-expressed in the post-- is the same-old normie critique:
The "Trickle Down" complaint emerged when Mr. T was a a hot, new celebrity. :character-mrt:
"Bidness" was newspaper columnist Molly Ivins' term for big business intersecting with politics... back during Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton. She died 13 years ago. :character-oldtimer:

I agree with your assessment that Trump was too-willing to employ disappointing, re-warmed Republican Leftovers like John Bolton and Jeff Sessions; and the same-old polices they represent. Many who put faith in Trump wondered why he did that.

The part that's enlightening is--

--maybe people like you are the reason Trump was so-often mired in the same old crap from the past. He was pandering to people who still see 'the Republicans' as a useful monolithic term. Still see 'trickle-down' as a relevant theory (whether they're for or against it). Still think 'environmentalists' are opponents of corporate greed-- (environmentalism evolved into a greedy corporate machine, long ago).

And that's why We Can't Have Unconventional Things.
I am constantly surprised (fool me twice, etc) at the hoi polloi who vote in the belief that the interests of plutocrats and billionaires align with theirs.

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Service Dog wrote: snip

Trump's shitty behavior might be a response to the increased power of the radicals on the left

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Or there is a reinforcing feedback loop leading to escalation. As such, the behaviour builds exponentially, and potential outcomes include war, totalitarianism, and revolution.

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Maybe that's true, but why can't it be the excesses of the left that are curtailed to stop reinforcing the feedback loop? We've had a leftward drift for nearly a century.

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KiwiInOz wrote: I am constantly surprised (fool me twice, etc) at the hoi polloi who vote in the belief that the interests of plutocrats and billionaires align with theirs.
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This is a plain ol' leftover of secret monarch yearning and plebian adoration of their betters. Americans nominally shook that off, but there's still plenty of idol worship left; just look at the Hollywood scene.

The ugly fact is that humans kiss up to their "betters," hate their peers who "make good". This was a significant aspect to Bill Clinton hatred.

It's true that sometimes aristocrats become friend to the commoner through some kind of innate or earned insight, but these are few and far between. Take Franklin Roosevelt, for instance. But Trump ain't no Roosevelt. We'd do better with Bill Gates. Way better.

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Keating wrote: Maybe that's true, but why can't it be the excesses of the left that are curtailed to stop reinforcing the feedback loop? We've had a leftward drift for nearly a century.
I can't speak to other countries, but here in the US "excesses of the left" really boils down to the fact that in the last four years the left has become violent again, after a nearly forty year hiatus. The last time American left was really violent was in the days of Patty Hearst and The Weather Underground (no, not a secretive news broadcasting agency). While the American right has racked up a steady body count for decades.

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Service Dog wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:00 am
Paranoid right-winger conspiracy theory-- called the "Great Reset"-- says covid is being used as a pretext for globalist redistribution of wealth, reshaping of entire society. Justin Trudeau agrees:
don't worry, be happy

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John D wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:50 am
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Service Dog wrote:
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That Arizona hearing was such a waste of my time.
Michigan is a completely different story.
These people are better than The Simpsons townfolk.
And they tell their stories like Patrice O'Neal.
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The woman describes a fairly typical contractor in my experience. Contractual obligations and standards are things that apply when inspectors and cameras are around and temp staff training is an unnecessary expense.
Some of my state's finest.... haha.

Michigan has a large number of people who think things that happen in government are always corrupt. Sometimes I go to city council meetings and there is inevitably some guy who takes up 15 minutes of the question period... railing about some specific contract that he is sure was fraud. He has no proof... just a long string of odd claims. Finally the council has to tell him to leave because other people have questions. He goes away sore and is convinced he was just about to make a breakthrough except the politicians shut him down. He will return for the next meeting and make the same claim... haha. (Of course.... sometimes the government is corrupt... but you are not going to prove anything just by bitching). So, what we see at these hearings is a long list of those same people talking about things looking "fishy".

I agree that the blond contractor had some strange nest on her head. The other people looked pretty normal to me... haha... so I guess this is just how we look around here. Animal prints are always a good choice!

Our famous ladies in Michigan set the tone. Lately, women in their 50s enjoy wearing leather jackets. GMs CEO, Mary Barra, loves wearing a leather bomber jacket. It cracks me up. The governor, and secretary of state, and attorney general are all ovulaters in Michigan. The Gretch also loves to wear leather. Ovulaters everywhere you look....with leather. Bitches gotta be tough in their biker clothes at work.

https://fortune.com/2019/02/19/leather- ... er-outfit/
Just to clarify, as it looks as if I didn't make my point very clearly, I think the description of Dominion's performance given by the witness represented typical contractor behaviour.

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Hunt wrote:
Keating wrote: Maybe that's true, but why can't it be the excesses of the left that are curtailed to stop reinforcing the feedback loop? We've had a leftward drift for nearly a century.
I can't speak to other countries, but here in the US "excesses of the left" really boils down to the fact that in the last four years the left has become violent again, after a nearly forty year hiatus. The last time American left was really violent was in the days of Patty Hearst and The Weather Underground (no, not a secretive news broadcasting agency).
The Left also is aggressively anti-free speech, has begun to implement lunatic soft-on-crime policies in the cities they control, seek a massive influx of immigrants, have declared every American institution irredeemably racist and in need of demolition and replacement, and have indocrinated a generation of youth into the insane quasi-religious cult of Critical Theory, Equity, and Diversity. I'd say all of that is fairly excessive.

While the American right has racked up a steady body count for decades.
Care to share some numbers for that body count?

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I'm sure that there are some numbers on the deaths caused through the invasions, coups formented, and wars engaged in by your right wing Democrat Governments and your right wing Republican Governments.

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Granted, it does depend on how you define "left" and "right", and I'll certainly agree that anything that Bill Kristol likes is guaranteed to be actually terrible. I'd also say that anything George Soros or Charles Koch likes are probably shit too.

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KiwiInOz wrote: I am constantly surprised (fool me twice, etc) at the hoi polloi who vote in the belief that the interests of plutocrats and billionaires align with theirs.

Your leftwing certainty-- that you know what's good for the niggers and deplorables (better than they know-for-themselves)-- is the very reason they prefer billionaires and plutocrats, over you.

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Service Dog wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: I am constantly surprised (fool me twice, etc) at the hoi polloi who vote in the belief that the interests of plutocrats and billionaires align with theirs.
Your leftwing certainty-- that you know what's good for the niggers and deplorables (better than they know-for-themselves)-- is the very reason they prefer billionaires and plutocrats, over you.
Where in my statement did I a) imply that I had left wing certainty, or b) imply that I don't consider myself a member of the hoi polloi? I merely noted that the interests of plutocrats and billionaires very rarely align with the interests of the masses.

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I also can't remember putting my name up for President, so I really have no means to determine whether the masses prefer billionaires and plutocrats over me.

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So, this project veritas thing? Is it an independent body? Where do the $$$ come from? I assume that all the claims of gaylords of votes are fully documented?

Tell me more...

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MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Weapons can hurt.
It’s been a few decades.

But my enduring memory of the first time I fired an M16 at the range (instead of a standard issue SLR) was:
+ Being disconcerted that I could actually hear the spring go **wibble wooble** in my ear when firing
+ Realising I wouldn’t now have to develop more muscle before firing in the “standing unsupported” position
+ Laughing at a weapon that required a bolt assist mechanism
+ Wondering why anyone would design a dust-flap that hung open (cue the Kardishian jokes)

That said they were dangerous. They used brass blanks and I remember when during a staged ambush one night my “pit partner” discharged 60 of them against the side of my head during the “two magazines on auto into the killing zone” mad moment. I was instantly “anxious and irritable”.

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