There you go projecting all sorts of conspiracy theorising shit onto me that I didn't express. I never said Antifa has any links to the Democratic Party, just the opposite,I wouldn't be so dumb as to insist that an anarchist organisation was big on ranks. Who said the mainstream media are " in on it" ? Where did you get that crap from? The media will say whatever bullshit they need to to trash Trump and protect the Democrats and that includes protecting Antifa if it helps the anti-Trump narrative. The FBI need to be disbanded if they can't recognise a threat after the fact. Fact is I will believe what Andy Ngo and other researchers say before I will believe anything from the FBI on the subject and I will also judge them by their actions.Hunt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:00 pmYou have to ask yourself who has actually drank the Kool Aid here. The FBI doesn't consider Antifa a serious threat. Democratic leaders have denounced Antifa violence, and Antifa has no overt connection to the Democratic party. You seem versed in critical thinking, entrenched ideology, confirmation bias, etc. Tell me, which is more credible, the FBI, or whatever fringe sources you used to fuel this rant. Yes, I have heard this type of talk before, usually form batshit far right websites. Antifa is a well organized, hierarchical group with ranks, etc. Here's another tenet of critical thinking: avoid self reinforcing belief systems. The leftist mainstream media is "in on it", the Dems condemn them only because there's a covert association between the two...and so on.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑Been living under a rock for the last year? Antifa/BLM weren't just protesting. They carefully manipulate the naive at protests, keeping up a tirade of invective at the police and using the crowds to do the same, also using violence to provoke when they can do so unrecorded. Their strategy is to engage in violence but try to engineer the situation to make it look as if the police instigated it. They organise, come with concealed weapons and have trained revolutionaries controlling the crowds. Many policemen and civilians have been injured, with pre-meditation, with weapons brought to the scene. Petrol bombs and other explosives have been used. People have died. Business owners in affected owners have been living in TERROR, always expecting a visit from a violent mob willing to discharge firearms into their business, burn it down or beat them up for failing to display the right slogans. They've manipulated the situation to cripple the efforts of police services. This has nothing to do with Trump. They are violent anarchist revolutionaries dedicated to overthrowing the system through any means necessary, preferrably violence, and they've been organising and looking for opportunities for a long time. The media have done their utmost to hide this all allowing the ignorant to pretend they aren't violent revolutionary terrorists. You never hear about the death threats and violence perpetrated against unfriendly journalists from the MSM unless it's to tell you how they deserved it. Andy Ngo has had to move to England because of death threats from Antifa. The Democratic Party deliberately enabled this with their rhetoric because nothing is as important to them as getting their hands on power.Hunt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:28 pmFirst, disclaimer: I don't "like" property damage protests. It always seemed pretty juvenile and counterproductive to me. However, I "understand" given human nature how crowds can become "violent" (in the property damage respect). And therein lies a fundamental difference between protest and terror. I'm also not implying leftist protests haven't crossed the line. There's a difference between torching a cop car and chanting "hang Mike Pence" while being a minute away from him. It's the equivocation of the word "violence", one meaning against property (if it's possible to be violent to property), the other against the wellbeing of people.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑have
All of that is apparently not as serious as ONE fucking incident, ONE, just ONE where a crowd of idiots got out of control partly because they were egged on by Antifa agitators embedded in the crowd. Show me proof of some well-established group of revolutionaries behind them a fraction as ruthless and organised as Antifa and their affiliates and I might take you seriously. Anyone supporting Trump must take responsibility for Capitol Hill and suffer denial of their rights despite almost all of them never having participated in any kind of destructive protest, but people on the left who participate in nightly riots, punching and kicking people, spewing hatred against all and sundry, they're just a bit misguided and boisterous. You are seriously confused. It's OK when the left does it.
Get a grip dude.
Democratic leaders have denounced Antifa violence? But they're only an idea! A lot of them have made excuses for it. They express support for the rioting involving Antifa or at the very least protect the perpetrators from prosecution where they can. Do yo think it is unpredictable what happens when you prohibit the police from doing their jobs?
Let's say Antifa are boy scouts, actual lefty violence is oh so innocent compared to the mere threat of right wing violence and " just" resulted in property damage. That property damage involves countless burned businesses and vehicles, seizing control of city blocks with attendant lawlessness. Make no mistake, guns were often involved in these events, people were assaulted, often seriously and people died. Lots and lots of livelihoods were destroyed. Murder rates have soared where the police have been compromised. The Democratic Party explicitly went on a drive to create an extreme an dishonest narrative about imminent threats to black people, they implied that the threat is enabled by any MAGA supporter and that narrative is what is used to justify rioting. Do people like that belong anywhere near positions of power? Have Trump or any any of his cabinet EVER encouraged violence like that?