agreedcunt wrote:How about a minor being treated as an adult? You've lost the plot.decius wrote:Fuck that. There's a law against soliciting pornographic material from a minor. How about a minor taking responsibility, as well? She wants to be treated like an adult, then she should behave like one.Trophy wrote:This is ridiculous. As cunt says, a minor asking for dick pictures is not breaking the law; an adult who sends her picture of his (or someone else's junk) is. The moderation is bullshit.
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An adult content disclaimer is good idea.Al Stefanelli wrote:That's actually a really good idea. And if we already have one, I'll gladly fuck off, as well...Tony Parsehole wrote:Lsuoma. Maybe the Pit needs an adult content disclaimer?* Just to cover your back.
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Well, none of us have any right to be here. She is here, like the rest of us, strictly at the pleasure of Lsuoma.sacha wrote:[spoiler]VickyCaramel wrote:Making requests or suggestions that somebody break the law is ok now? The implications of that are something to think about. Even if not falling foul of the law, then by giving ammunition to those people who have suggested that his forum is the pits.Trophy wrote:This is ridiculous. As cunt says, a minor asking for dick pictures is not breaking the law; an adult who sends her picture of his (or someone else's junk) is. The moderation is bullshit.
oh for fuck's sake![/spoiler]
She was clearly joking. For the love of fuck, she has been contributing decent comments. She is no longer babbling on in comments posted a rapid pace, she is no longer responding to everyone who makes a comment with her name in it, and she is no longer making my head explode. She's a bit slow at recognising sarcasm, other than that, she has been more logical, articulate, and spot on, than many people here.
She is no longer behaving the way she did at first. Give it the fuck up. She has every right to be here. Either ignore her, or read what she writes without the age bias.
I had two jobs, and my own flat by the time I was 17.
irony. I'm all for flirting and sexual references, honey, but you were here for two seconds before you posted a photo of your tits. I've now seen two different photographs of them (one with pearl necklace) and I have no idea if you can even articulate what brought you here. So far I've seen tits, and speaking to Eucliwood as if you are her mother from the 1950's. go to your room and think about what you have done type comments should be reserved for people who pay for that type of kink.VickyCaramel wrote:"The implications of that are something to think about. Even if not falling foul of the law, then by giving ammunition to those people who have suggested that his forum is the pits."
You are newer than she is, so I'll tell you what I told her. You have to earn respect.
No one is suggesting kicking her out based on her ideas. It is her age that makes her presence here a danger to herself as well as to others.
I see far more NSFW material posted here inline than at sites like FARK.com or at reddit where NSFW material has to be marked as such and only linked to, and at reddit, a person has to explicitly click a checkbox stating. At FARK and 4Chan she would be kicked out in a split second, due to her age. FARK, and 4Chan are sites that promote adult conversation and have enough of a budget to hire moderators, admins, and get advice from lawyers, there isn't even a question about her membership. I don't think that describes the Slymepit.
Until she becomes 18, she has jref, reddit, something awful, and many other sites where she can speak her piece and post what she wants.
Not that I have added anything to this forum of value, but I won't participate at a forum that encourages adult conversations with adult topics and allows a minor to participate, a minor that has even jokingly asked for porn, a minor that has demonstrated judgment issues in the past, a minor that has sent unsolicited erotica to others, and a minor that "jokingly" threatened other members and the entire forum with false accusations of sexual harassment.
I think she's done all of that in the span of a month or so.
Letting her stay is asking to have the slymepit shutdown, either by her actions, by the actions of angry parents, or by atheismplus or freethoughtblogs members thinking it would be fun to narc the place out. And they won't just shut the place down of course, the cops or the feds will seize servers and membership lists and figure out who is who and probably make that available to the public.
I don't think Lsuoma has the resources or the time or the responsibility to deal with that shit, just because of some very vague and doubtful claim that a minor has any right to be a member here.
So if she stays, or she stays unmoderated, that's the danger.
Call me a paranoid asshole, but I think that's a very credible danger.
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As a light interlude (that I didn't see already posted here, but I might have simply missed it):
[youtube]zQ36S3d1CaU[/youtube]
[youtube]zQ36S3d1CaU[/youtube]
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bhoytony wrote:Yes it was great! He is so wise and reasonable, above all the petty squabbles we mere mortals engage in. His interest is in higher things that we can only aspire to. I feel blessed to be in his company.Za-zen wrote:It was great to see Louis enter the pyt, though he left before any conversation could get properly started! At least it was someone from the horde coming out of their self reinforcing bomb shelter, there was a danger of him being piled on simply from the rush of people desperate to debate one on open ground.
hahahaha!
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Thanks for getting legal counsel on this Lsuoma. :)
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One "Undead Nazi" movie that I thought was pretty good was "Outpost" (or the outpost). Mercs find themselves trapped in an old Nazi bunker used for rather sinister purposes (well, aren't they all?). Haven't watched the second one, but the first had a good spooky atmosphere.
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Jesus H Christ on a crutch!rayshul wrote:Thanks for getting legal counsel on this Lsuoma. :)
This is beginning to sound like one of Ofeelya Bansome's threads, with all of the completely over-the-top scare-mongering "end-of-civilisation" koncern-bullshit about a very tiny joke.
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Not your responsibility. The dog needs a home where it is not hated.BarnOwl wrote:/(fill-in-the-blankGate)-unrelated
This has nothing to do with deep rifts or drama in the A/S community, but there are a number of dog- and/or cat-lovers in the 'Pit, so I'm going to request advice and opinions on a situation that's really upsetting me.
My friends adopted a shelter puppy about a year ago, as their beloved purebred dog is getting quite elderly. The puppy is now a beautiful adult dog, sweet-natured and smart, quite energetic and still mischievous about chewing up various things in the yard. Pretty typical for a hound breed at age one year or so. Problem is, the husband of the couple hates the dog. Hates her. Why? "She's needy and wants human attention. She chews on things. She has too much energy." His biggest problem with the dog is that "she's not as well-behaved and independent" as is their elderly dog.
So they want to get rid of the dog. This would not be the first shelter dog that they've dumped on someone else because "it's not like our old dog." The first one was dumped on their ranch caretaker. This one they'd like to dump on me. If push came to shove, I could take her, if money and space were the only considerations. But I have two shelter dogs already, and my old Labbie who passed away last year had been abandoned at their ranch. I've started taking the hound running or walking around the ranch every weekend, and she lerrrvvvsss me for the attention. But I live on a tenth of an acre in the suburbs, and that's a big change of doggie lifestyle from a 100+ acre ranch. Plus I'm worried that, with limited time, I'd have to short my little cutie-dogs on attention and training/walk time. Also, I don't think that rich people should always get away with dumping their problems on someone else, even if it is a friend.
What thinks the 'Pit?
Best idea is to foster the dog. Find a suitable home for him.
PM me for more. I can help you
Speak to your friend. Husband does not have what it takes to care for a dog. no more dogs. wife isn't much better, knowing what the husband is like, and still adopting dogs, and then giving them up. No more dogs in that household.
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Setting aside drama for a moment, here is an interesting article on japanese resistance to christianity.
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/21/j ... e-locals/v
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/21/j ... e-locals/v
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[quote="AbsurdWalls"] Regarding the dog, I think you should take it and see how it works out. If it turns out well then that's dandy. If you feel like it's not working then you'll just have to do whatever your friends would do if you couldn't take him. [/quote]
It's not a vase, it's a dog who has already been in a shelter, and then in a home where it is not wanted. Adoption is for the life of the dog. "see how it turns out" is not what anyone should ever do. Decide to adopt it, and how it turns out is your responsibility.
Barn Owl, talk to me about fostering him
It's not a vase, it's a dog who has already been in a shelter, and then in a home where it is not wanted. Adoption is for the life of the dog. "see how it turns out" is not what anyone should ever do. Decide to adopt it, and how it turns out is your responsibility.
Barn Owl, talk to me about fostering him
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Would you please explain Second Life?VickyCaramel wrote:
As for my blog, I don't write about atheism on it, it would be of little interest to you. But I do use twitter to take the piss, and I am known to search out non-religious forums where religious loonies are still the majority.
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Metalogic42 wrote:@BarnOwl:
I agree with AbsurdWalls. I think you should take the dog, at least temporarily. If you're concerned about keeping it long-term, take it anyway, but try to find a new home for it. And make it clear to your friends that pet roulette is fucked up.
agreed
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nicely said.Altair wrote:This is a good point, and I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the "problem" they want to dump being a sentient, living creature. They should learn they can't get away with that behavior, but in this case, the well-being of the dog is the foremost concern, and their learning a lesson is secondary.
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decius is spot on. Blacklisting them at shelters is one of the things I was going to mention in PM. It won't help the dogs from breeders, but it will protect a lot of others. There are others things to do as well.decius wrote: You're being emotionally manipulated by a couple of borderline sociopaths. No one in their right mind would decide after one year that their adopted rescue isn't what they really wanted. Even if they came to realise it that late, compassion and affection would have taken over from disgust.
Also, given the complete picture, It seems unlikely that the old Labbie had been abandoned at their ranch. More likely, it is part of the pattern. They picked it up and he ended up displeasing their royal taste in canine matters.
As painful as it is, you should not allow this manipulation to occur. The best thing you could do is to make sure that these cunts are blacklisted in all dog shelters in the area.
However, I would not take my own advice and wait for Sacha's instead.
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ERV wrote: *whispers*
*the back-channel to my 'slime pit' is my ass. the 'back-channel' is my ass*
*shhhhhhhhhhhhhh*
hahahaha!
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Lsuoma wrote:The situation has been put before an attorney, and she advised me that I should moderate Eucliwood's postings, which I will now do. The advice is that unless I can verify personally the age and identity of the poster - which, let's face it, isn't going to happen - I should moderate ALL posts from the IP Eucliwood has posted from, and if the account post from other IPs I should place all users from those IPs on moderation too.Scented Nectar wrote:She was threatening to report "insults to a minor" to the FBI. I'm all for free speech, but we don't need false stalking accusations or other false accusations to do with minors.Pitchguest wrote:Piss on that, Scented. Eucliwood might be a minor and she might be many things, but she does not seem to be the type to do that shit. We're not the fainting couch brigade. Let's not start now.
This is the only restriction I have made. All other posting privileges are the same as for unmoderated users. If anyone starts getting PMs, however, that they think are inappropriate for a minor, please let me know and I will deny PM privileges too.
I support this decision.
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That sounds fair.[/quote]Scented Nectar wrote: This is the only restriction I have made. All other posting privileges are the same as for unmoderated users. If anyone starts getting PMs, however, that they think are inappropriate for a minor, please let me know and I will deny PM privileges too.
and... Nectar and I agree once again.
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Lsuoma wrote: Stalker (Tarkovsky - tough work, but if your synapses are chemically modified, it can be worth it)
that is my favourite film of all time.
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I'm all for spunk coloured slimeTheMan wrote:CommanderTuvok wrote:Pretty good, Reap, but I still want to see Arnie included somehow.
I dunno... I was hoping for a pearl necklace or something like that....why is slyme always glo-green?
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It's at the point I'd rather be considered a lurking FtBer. Seriously folks you have to step up your game on this one. I recognize the real criticism against JV reposting a dox and Colon sending flame bait directly at Ophelia, so why does anyone think all this talk about lawyering-up over a joke in a thread titled "Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs" is going to help anything.Michael K Gray wrote:Jesus H Christ on a crutch!rayshul wrote:Thanks for getting legal counsel on this Lsuoma. :)
This is beginning to sound like one of Ofeelya Bansome's threads, with all of the completely over-the-top scare-mongering "end-of-civilisation" koncern-bullshit about a very tiny joke.
I have to blame the the person who posted their tits for setting this whole thing off and ending up with a dumb thread name and a request for cock pictures that don't exist. Really sad no one recognizes the real credible threat to this place that highly potential poe poses. Just coming to offer the pictures up? Yeah this is going to end for everyone involved.
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I wasn't aware of the joke (is this about calling the FBI?) until SN brought it up, which was after I'd originally raised this issue. My concerns are purely related to age and potential legal issues that come of having an adult forum with participating minors - I think somedumbguy pointed out other sites with similar restrictions.Michael K Gray wrote:Jesus H Christ on a crutch!rayshul wrote:Thanks for getting legal counsel on this Lsuoma. :)
This is beginning to sound like one of Ofeelya Bansome's threads, with all of the completely over-the-top scare-mongering "end-of-civilisation" koncern-bullshit about a very tiny joke.
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I don't quite get this. I think it's basic good sense to investigate legal issues around having a minor on the boards. As mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure I raised this long before Vicky's tits or any jokes.Socoral wrote:It's at the point I'd rather be considered a lurking FtBer. Seriously folks you have to step up your game on this one. I recognize the real criticism against JV reposting a dox and Colon sending flame bait directly at Ophelia, so why does anyone think all this talk about lawyering-up over a joke in a thread titled "Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs" is going to help anything.Michael K Gray wrote:Jesus H Christ on a crutch!rayshul wrote:Thanks for getting legal counsel on this Lsuoma. :)
This is beginning to sound like one of Ofeelya Bansome's threads, with all of the completely over-the-top scare-mongering "end-of-civilisation" koncern-bullshit about a very tiny joke.
I have to blame the the person who posted their tits for setting this whole thing off and ending up with a dumb thread name and a request for cock pictures that don't exist. Really sad no one recognizes the real credible threat to this place that highly potential poe poses. Just coming to offer the pictures up? Yeah this is going to end for everyone involved.
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In keeping with the whole "threat" thing going on whereby the likes of Ophelia and PZ are in constant peril from the likes of us Slymepitters, I issue this warning to our accusers
I am going to make you a cup of Tea one day.
Quake in fear.
When you least expect it I will arrive with a nice steaming hot cup of Assam or Russian Caravan and I will give you a cup of Tea, possibly with biscuits if I'm feeling particularly bellicose.
You have been warned Baboons - I'm on my way.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaargggghhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahahahaaaaaa
I am going to make you a cup of Tea one day.
Quake in fear.
When you least expect it I will arrive with a nice steaming hot cup of Assam or Russian Caravan and I will give you a cup of Tea, possibly with biscuits if I'm feeling particularly bellicose.
You have been warned Baboons - I'm on my way.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaargggghhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahahahaaaaaa
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I love how removing the boulders = instant party at the top of the hill
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Full size here: http://i.imgur.com/aTbYvEm.jpg
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Always makes me sad they put AHA in that picture.
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Should also say I dig the revision.
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I'm a few pages behind and maybe you got this already.Tony Parsehole wrote:Crap.Gumby wrote:That thread was deleted IIRC. Apparently there's some things so embarrassing that even A+ is ashamed of them.Tony Parsehole wrote:Speaking of dramatic readings does anybody have the link or the screenshot of Simpleflower's "Hug Gate" flounce post on A+? I think I could muster up a dramatic Youtube reading of that.
I tried finding it on here using the search but to no avail.
Ah well. It was just a thought. I'd have to go rooting for my microphone anyway.
Anyhoo.
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Surely, I can't be the only one who noticed this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... -lores.jpgLsuoma wrote:...BannedAid wrote:[
Some other under-the-radar (to me) stuff that I found on netflix recently, in case anyone is interested:
Tucker and Dale vs. Evil
Santa Sangre (80's art horror)
Audition (Japanese)
And... uh... there's slim pickings, can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Anyone have any suggestions?
Other gems that might be appreciated are (these include films that have dropped off the radar rather than flying underneath, and are filsm I watch many times each year):
Dr Strangelove
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
In the Heat of the Night
Lolita (great movie, but the book was better, eh Eucli?)
La Cabina (Spanish language short)
Stalker (Tarkovsky - tough work, but if your synapses are chemically modified, it can be worth it)
The Full Monty (for non-Brits who might have missed it)
RHPS
Little Shop of Horrors (Ellen Greene is one of my favourite Polly Peachums EVER, BTW)
Sir Henry at Rawlinson End
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Apparently, there is a party going on here, celebrating the silencing of Nathalie Reed by the Slymepit. Where are the drinks? Where is everybody? Is this all happening in the secret forum that you have all been hiding from me?
Wait, I see posts in support of Nathalie Reed here. I'm confused now.
It can't be that the Pharyngulites are being dishonest, right?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments
Wait, I see posts in support of Nathalie Reed here. I'm confused now.
It can't be that the Pharyngulites are being dishonest, right?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments
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For the logo comp that isn't a logo comp... just playing around...
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Working on another one..... hehe
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Working on another one..... hehe
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[quote="Jan Steen"[spoiler]]Apparently, there is a party going on here, celebrating the silencing of Nathalie Reed by the Slymepit. Where are the drinks? Where is everybody? Is this all happening in the secret forum that you have all been hiding from me?
Wait, I see posts in support of Nathalie Reed here. I'm confused now.
It can't be that the Pharyngulites are being dishonest, right?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments[/spoiler][/quote]
Natalie, not Nathalie. Sorry.
Wait, I see posts in support of Nathalie Reed here. I'm confused now.
It can't be that the Pharyngulites are being dishonest, right?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments[/spoiler][/quote]
Natalie, not Nathalie. Sorry.
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Did we silence her? I thought they silenced her by forcing her to be an atheist. Or something.
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Okay, I can't possibly respond to everything, and sorry but like it or not, there's a lot not really worth responding to (doesn't that idea seem familiar to any of you?). If that makes me a superior arsehole in some people's eyes, so be it.
So I've picked 4 posts that seem to have some good stuff in. In no particular order:
1) Badger3k from here, about what my opinion of what misogyny is.
2) Metalogic42 from here, on...a fucktonne of things!
3) Altair from [url=viewtopic.php?f=31&t=237&start=525#p52840], about instances of point missing/crowed logical victories etc.
4) ThreeFlangedJavis (great nym) from [url=viewtopic.php?f=31&t=237&start=525#p52840]here, about the point being that the DEEEP RIFTS(TM) are really about the right to argue over issues and attempts to poison the well in the atheist community.
So no more foreplay, on with the...there's no good way to continue that metaphor is there?
Issue 1) First.
a) to c) are certainly all sexist in my view when used as insults. Would I call them all out? For varying degrees of "call out" dependent on context (of which more later), sure I would. I don't know anyone, to the best of my recollection, who would say something as asinine as "all women are bitches" and mean it, or even say it without a heavy dose of ironic self reference (context). I confess to having "complicated" ideas about the use of ironic humour, which might be worth discussing later. Irony is not a get out of gaol free card by any stretch of the imagination, but I think then one has to take a lot of things, like audience buy in etc, into account. I've drifted, that is a double essay length beast of an issue. One I'm genuinely interested in.
When used as insults terms like "bitch" and "twat" and "cunt" are inseparable from sexism. They are unambiguous negative referents to feminine/female as negative. Incidentally, "prick" and "cock" are inseparable from sexism too for the identical reasons. In all cases that is an act of sexism. There's a contextual difference which I'll get to later, but there's no difference inherent in the actual words in terms of sexism. They are reductive, they reduce a person to some perceived negative quality to do with their sex. That's sexism. Like the words "nigger" or "paki" used as insults are an unambiguous negative referent to race, and perceived negative qualities to do with race, are racist. Same mechanism.
Now before anyone gets all excited, sure, in my opinion (as a cis-man, to refer to someone's idiotic post above. Not white though. Sorry), I don't think using "cunt" is on the order of sexism that forced clitoridectomies are. That doesn't make it not sexist. Just because someone else is in the shit up to their knees and you're in it up to your ankles it doesn't follow you are in a shit free environment.
To be doubly clear: "ooooh fuck my twat with your prick" not necessarily sexist. "You are a twat and a prick" necessarily sexist.
Whether any of it bubbles up to misogyny...not really for me to decide. That's context dependant. Is the person making that insult someone who is being thoughtlessly/ignorantly sexist (and we've all done that), or are they being actively hateful towards that person because of their sex? I can't tell you unless I know more about each individual context. What I will say is that insults like these take some of their "insulting power" from an existing misogynistic cultural framework. Why are terms like "mangina" and "wigger" used by misogynists and racists if these aren't unambiguous negative referents?
As for d), are rape jokes necessarily misogynistic? Well since one can joke about men being raped, no not necessarily. Depends on the joke. Carlin's "Daffy Duck raping Porky Pig" joke wasn't, in my opinion, necessarily misogynistic. It was anti-feminist and missing the point in my opinion, and the whole bit was an exercise in Carlin just not getting it, funny, insightful about some things (I love Carlin) but not perfect. Not that it has to be perfect, it's comedy, but if you want to dissect everything to the nth degree (which is fine by me) that's where I'd go. I don't know what Tim Minchin joke you're referring to, so I can't comment.
Rape jokes are problematic though, and this bleeds into e) a bit too. Of course context matters! I argue for nothing else all the bloody time! Cleverly done "bad taste" humour is some of my favourite because it makes me think. Cheap "bad taste" humour isn't. Now Carlin, for all I disagree with some aspects of that joke's message, was not being frivolous or stupid. I might think part of his point was wrong but at least he got me to think about something. But that opinion, and it is just an opinion, comes from my position of...{drum roll please}...relative privilege. I've never been raped. I'm not saying no one who has been raped can find Carlin's joke funny and agreeable, they're free to have their own opinion, mine isn't binding on anyone.
I'm not sure Carlin's joke is the best example though. It's really a bit about language and any topic being able to have something funny found about it. By a rape joke I'd take something like the recent "joke" someone on some forum (rationalia?) made about raping a skepchick because they're so annoying as a good example of a rape "joke" that was so over the line it couldn't even see the line. The line was a dot (to steal a really good joke!) to whoever made that "joke".
I'll explain why. In my opinion, you can tell a huge amount about a culture/group from their comedy. From what jokes they tell each other. For me, the best jokes don't "punch down" power gradients, they "punch up". So satirising people in power, that kind of thing, those are the things I find funniest. The court jester mocking the king, the slave in Caesar's ear telling him he's just a man, that sort of deal. Jokes that punch down power gradients are rarely, in my experience, distinguishable from outright bigotry, there's usually something nasty curdling away underneath and it's usually fairly easy to expose. So I try, and occasionally fail, to err on the side of punching up.
This is getting tl;dr, so I'll halt this one there. Hope it's not too objectionable for you.
So I've picked 4 posts that seem to have some good stuff in. In no particular order:
1) Badger3k from here, about what my opinion of what misogyny is.
2) Metalogic42 from here, on...a fucktonne of things!
3) Altair from [url=viewtopic.php?f=31&t=237&start=525#p52840], about instances of point missing/crowed logical victories etc.
4) ThreeFlangedJavis (great nym) from [url=viewtopic.php?f=31&t=237&start=525#p52840]here, about the point being that the DEEEP RIFTS(TM) are really about the right to argue over issues and attempts to poison the well in the atheist community.
So no more foreplay, on with the...there's no good way to continue that metaphor is there?
Issue 1) First.
Bold lettering mine.
<snip>a)Is saying "all women are bitches" misogynistic?
b)Is saying "Rebecca Watson is a bitch" misogynistic?
c)Is the term "Twat" sexist or misogynistic? Would you call out someone who says it? (this is a point, as some people, like Ophelia; say it is sexist every time, but when Rebecca Watson uses it numerous times in the SGU podcast, she stays remarkably silent and doesn't say a thing)
d)Are rape jokes misogynistic? Were (and are) George Carlin and Tim Minchin sexists? Were they misogynists?
e)Is it better, worse, or no different to make a joke about rape or to make a joke about a mass murder? Does context matter? Can we call jokes stupid, without saying they are misogynistic?
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a) to c) are certainly all sexist in my view when used as insults. Would I call them all out? For varying degrees of "call out" dependent on context (of which more later), sure I would. I don't know anyone, to the best of my recollection, who would say something as asinine as "all women are bitches" and mean it, or even say it without a heavy dose of ironic self reference (context). I confess to having "complicated" ideas about the use of ironic humour, which might be worth discussing later. Irony is not a get out of gaol free card by any stretch of the imagination, but I think then one has to take a lot of things, like audience buy in etc, into account. I've drifted, that is a double essay length beast of an issue. One I'm genuinely interested in.
When used as insults terms like "bitch" and "twat" and "cunt" are inseparable from sexism. They are unambiguous negative referents to feminine/female as negative. Incidentally, "prick" and "cock" are inseparable from sexism too for the identical reasons. In all cases that is an act of sexism. There's a contextual difference which I'll get to later, but there's no difference inherent in the actual words in terms of sexism. They are reductive, they reduce a person to some perceived negative quality to do with their sex. That's sexism. Like the words "nigger" or "paki" used as insults are an unambiguous negative referent to race, and perceived negative qualities to do with race, are racist. Same mechanism.
Now before anyone gets all excited, sure, in my opinion (as a cis-man, to refer to someone's idiotic post above. Not white though. Sorry), I don't think using "cunt" is on the order of sexism that forced clitoridectomies are. That doesn't make it not sexist. Just because someone else is in the shit up to their knees and you're in it up to your ankles it doesn't follow you are in a shit free environment.
To be doubly clear: "ooooh fuck my twat with your prick" not necessarily sexist. "You are a twat and a prick" necessarily sexist.
Whether any of it bubbles up to misogyny...not really for me to decide. That's context dependant. Is the person making that insult someone who is being thoughtlessly/ignorantly sexist (and we've all done that), or are they being actively hateful towards that person because of their sex? I can't tell you unless I know more about each individual context. What I will say is that insults like these take some of their "insulting power" from an existing misogynistic cultural framework. Why are terms like "mangina" and "wigger" used by misogynists and racists if these aren't unambiguous negative referents?
As for d), are rape jokes necessarily misogynistic? Well since one can joke about men being raped, no not necessarily. Depends on the joke. Carlin's "Daffy Duck raping Porky Pig" joke wasn't, in my opinion, necessarily misogynistic. It was anti-feminist and missing the point in my opinion, and the whole bit was an exercise in Carlin just not getting it, funny, insightful about some things (I love Carlin) but not perfect. Not that it has to be perfect, it's comedy, but if you want to dissect everything to the nth degree (which is fine by me) that's where I'd go. I don't know what Tim Minchin joke you're referring to, so I can't comment.
Rape jokes are problematic though, and this bleeds into e) a bit too. Of course context matters! I argue for nothing else all the bloody time! Cleverly done "bad taste" humour is some of my favourite because it makes me think. Cheap "bad taste" humour isn't. Now Carlin, for all I disagree with some aspects of that joke's message, was not being frivolous or stupid. I might think part of his point was wrong but at least he got me to think about something. But that opinion, and it is just an opinion, comes from my position of...{drum roll please}...relative privilege. I've never been raped. I'm not saying no one who has been raped can find Carlin's joke funny and agreeable, they're free to have their own opinion, mine isn't binding on anyone.
I'm not sure Carlin's joke is the best example though. It's really a bit about language and any topic being able to have something funny found about it. By a rape joke I'd take something like the recent "joke" someone on some forum (rationalia?) made about raping a skepchick because they're so annoying as a good example of a rape "joke" that was so over the line it couldn't even see the line. The line was a dot (to steal a really good joke!) to whoever made that "joke".
I'll explain why. In my opinion, you can tell a huge amount about a culture/group from their comedy. From what jokes they tell each other. For me, the best jokes don't "punch down" power gradients, they "punch up". So satirising people in power, that kind of thing, those are the things I find funniest. The court jester mocking the king, the slave in Caesar's ear telling him he's just a man, that sort of deal. Jokes that punch down power gradients are rarely, in my experience, distinguishable from outright bigotry, there's usually something nasty curdling away underneath and it's usually fairly easy to expose. So I try, and occasionally fail, to err on the side of punching up.
This is getting tl;dr, so I'll halt this one there. Hope it's not too objectionable for you.
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Those horrible Slymepitters did it again, apparently. We are probably also to blame for a few tsunamis and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
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How did we ever survive without you louis? If I understand you correctly the answers you provided could also be provided in a much easier and shorter fashion, such as:Louis wrote:Okay, I can't possibly respond to everything, and sorry but like it or not, there's a lot not really worth responding to (doesn't that idea seem familiar to any of you?). If that makes me a superior arsehole in some people's eyes, so be it.
So I've picked 4 posts that seem to have some good stuff in. In no particular order:
1) Badger3k from here, about what my opinion of what misogyny is.
2) Metalogic42 from here, on...a fucktonne of things!
3) Altair from , about instances of point missing/crowed logical victories etc.
4) ThreeFlangedJavis (great nym) from here,about the point being that the DEEEP RIFTS(TM) are really about the right to argue over issues and attempts to poison the well in the atheist community.
So no more foreplay, on with the...there's no good way to continue that metaphor is there?
Issue 1) First.
Bold lettering mine.
<snip>a)Is saying "all women are bitches" misogynistic?
b)Is saying "Rebecca Watson is a bitch" misogynistic?
c)Is the term "Twat" sexist or misogynistic? Would you call out someone who says it? (this is a point, as some people, like Ophelia; say it is sexist every time, but when Rebecca Watson uses it numerous times in the SGU podcast, she stays remarkably silent and doesn't say a thing)
d)Are rape jokes misogynistic? Were (and are) George Carlin and Tim Minchin sexists? Were they misogynists?
e)Is it better, worse, or no different to make a joke about rape or to make a joke about a mass murder? Does context matter? Can we call jokes stupid, without saying they are misogynistic?
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a) to c) are certainly all sexist in my view when used as insults. Would I call them all out? For varying degrees of "call out" dependent on context (of which more later), sure I would. I don't know anyone, to the best of my recollection, who would say something as asinine as "all women are bitches" and mean it, or even say it without a heavy dose of ironic self reference (context). I confess to having "complicated" ideas about the use of ironic humour, which might be worth discussing later. Irony is not a get out of gaol free card by any stretch of the imagination, but I think then one has to take a lot of things, like audience buy in etc, into account. I've drifted, that is a double essay length beast of an issue. One I'm genuinely interested in.
When used as insults terms like "bitch" and "twat" and "cunt" are inseparable from sexism. They are unambiguous negative referents to feminine/female as negative. Incidentally, "prick" and "cock" are inseparable from sexism too for the identical reasons. In all cases that is an act of sexism. There's a contextual difference which I'll get to later, but there's no difference inherent in the actual words in terms of sexism. They are reductive, they reduce a person to some perceived negative quality to do with their sex. That's sexism. Like the words "nigger" or "paki" used as insults are an unambiguous negative referent to race, and perceived negative qualities to do with race, are racist. Same mechanism.
Now before anyone gets all excited, sure, in my opinion (as a cis-man, to refer to someone's idiotic post above. Not white though. Sorry), I don't think using "cunt" is on the order of sexism that forced clitoridectomies are. That doesn't make it not sexist. Just because someone else is in the shit up to their knees and you're in it up to your ankles it doesn't follow you are in a shit free environment.
To be doubly clear: "ooooh fuck my twat with your prick" not necessarily sexist. "You are a twat and a prick" necessarily sexist.
Whether any of it bubbles up to misogyny...not really for me to decide. That's context dependant. Is the person making that insult someone who is being thoughtlessly/ignorantly sexist (and we've all done that), or are they being actively hateful towards that person because of their sex? I can't tell you unless I know more about each individual context. What I will say is that insults like these take some of their "insulting power" from an existing misogynistic cultural framework. Why are terms like "mangina" and "wigger" used by misogynists and racists if these aren't unambiguous negative referents?
As for d), are rape jokes necessarily misogynistic? Well since one can joke about men being raped, no not necessarily. Depends on the joke. Carlin's "Daffy Duck raping Porky Pig" joke wasn't, in my opinion, necessarily misogynistic. It was anti-feminist and missing the point in my opinion, and the whole bit was an exercise in Carlin just not getting it, funny, insightful about some things (I love Carlin) but not perfect. Not that it has to be perfect, it's comedy, but if you want to dissect everything to the nth degree (which is fine by me) that's where I'd go. I don't know what Tim Minchin joke you're referring to, so I can't comment.
Rape jokes are problematic though, and this bleeds into e) a bit too. Of course context matters! I argue for nothing else all the bloody time! Cleverly done "bad taste" humour is some of my favourite because it makes me think. Cheap "bad taste" humour isn't. Now Carlin, for all I disagree with some aspects of that joke's message, was not being frivolous or stupid. I might think part of his point was wrong but at least he got me to think about something. But that opinion, and it is just an opinion, comes from my position of...{drum roll please}...relative privilege. I've never been raped. I'm not saying no one who has been raped can find Carlin's joke funny and agreeable, they're free to have their own opinion, mine isn't binding on anyone.
I'm not sure Carlin's joke is the best example though. It's really a bit about language and any topic being able to have something funny found about it. By a rape joke I'd take something like the recent "joke" someone on some forum (rationalia?) made about raping a skepchick because they're so annoying as a good example of a rape "joke" that was so over the line it couldn't even see the line. The line was a dot (to steal a really good joke!) to whoever made that "joke".
I'll explain why. In my opinion, you can tell a huge amount about a culture/group from their comedy. From what jokes they tell each other. For me, the best jokes don't "punch down" power gradients, they "punch up". So satirising people in power, that kind of thing, those are the things I find funniest. The court jester mocking the king, the slave in Caesar's ear telling him he's just a man, that sort of deal. Jokes that punch down power gradients are rarely, in my experience, distinguishable from outright bigotry, there's usually something nasty curdling away underneath and it's usually fairly easy to expose. So I try, and occasionally fail, to err on the side of punching up.
This is getting so I'll halt this one there. Hope it's not too objectionable for you.
Yes and No, maybe
or
A, B, C, D, and All of the above -All written in answers could also be correct, or not
You are falling into the trap that has caught so many. Looking for the black/white holy grail when just learning to accept the gray would/could make you just as happy and then you could move on to important things. The problem is you aren't in anyone's head so you can never know for sure what they really meant. I understand you are presenting your opinion(s) and that's all well and good, we all have one.
This should throw an interesting twist into the mix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch_%28insult%29
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Well, heck. Maybe if they get enough money, they can send JohnTheOther and Roosh and Paul Elam and a few other MRAs to the event, too.
It’s kind of like having creationists show up at an evolution event. They’ll just be regarded with pitying contempt.
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I recommend TimeCrimes - it's foreign but was a nifty little movie.KiwiInOz wrote:Haven't done Netflix personally. But I saw half of Wolf Warrior at an airport in the Philippines. I was so pissed off that the plane came, because I wanted to finish watching it. Excellent visuals, fight scenes, fantasy stuff, and subtitles.petal wrote:Strigoi a vampire movie set in post-communist Romania. Favorite Netflix find everBannedAid wrote:
Some other under-the-radar (to me) stuff that I found on netflix recently, in case anyone is interested:
Tucker and Dale vs. Evil
Santa Sangre (80's art horror)
Audition (Japanese)
And... uh... there's slim pickings, can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Anyone have any suggestions?
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I am at work, so no time to read through 890+ entries to get up to speed. Possible this has been commented on earlier, but fuck it, a good thing can be said a couple of times.
The following is PZ's reply to Noelplum:
The following is PZ's reply to Noelplum:
Noelplum didn't once state that he didn't like this woman. Not once. Noelplum started by asking sceptical questions as to her motives for joining the sceptical movement as she verbatim stated she didn't give two shits about scepticism or atheism. Noelplum was then savagely attacked by Pope PZ's sheeple in the most outrageous ways, while he himself stayed polite and rational. Here are a few examples of these fucktards attacking Noelplum:Pope PZ the Cunt wrote:
Plainly your gripe is that a well established movement is not about your pet socio-political concerns: so why not move on?
That’s not the issue. It’s that skepticism, critical thinking, all that are extensible to a great many fields; that the movement is hidebound and refuses to acknowledge this is a great loss.
But you know what? You’ve done enough damage by hijacking a thread that was about regretting the loss of a valuable contributor, and turning it into your petty whine about how you didn’t like her. It is therefore incredibly ironic that you are complaining that we want to shift a movement to consider our ‘pet concerns’ when you seem to have no compunction about taking a thread and turning it into one all about your pet concern: you, you, you.
And that’s enough.
Banned.
And there was much rejoicing.
Fleur du Mal, prominent A+theism member wrote:He knows damn well that people won’t give his sexism, bigotry and assorted garbage a pass, he counts on it.
rjlangley wrote:Fuck you, noelplum99. Seriously. Fuck you.
a ray in dilbert space wrote:Oh, and Noelplum, you are a pathetic, ignorant food tube.
Tethys wrote:Fuck off Noelplum. The most important thing you are missing is a sense of decency, you miserable excuse for a human being.
Let's not rest until FftB and A+theism has been mercilessly and utterly annhiliated from the interwebs.PZ Myers wrote:Noelplum99: could you please stop trying so hard to be a moron?
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Louis,
Being an ex-ATBC person I think that to me the whole FTB thing reminds me of UD and you remind me a little of Ftk not taking any responsibility for what your "side" does but happy to tell us what we are doing wrong here and at FTB.
The reason FTB reminds me of UD is:
1. Commenters being banned and still being still referred to in comments without them being able to defend themselves.
2. People being banned for simply asking for evidence.
3. People being told that they don't understand ID/Feminism or being told a definition of ID/Feminism that is different to the way they practice it.
4. Refuting critics by ad-hominem. I've read the criticisms of Shermer, Thunderfoot, Ed Clint etal. and it consists of what horrible people they are and may take a line or two out of context but that's it.
5. Confusing criticism with harassment.
That's the reason I'm here because UD is pretty much dead, the creationist trolls seemed to have left Pandas Thumb. So watching PZ and co self destruct in their bubble is the only entertainment left.
Being an ex-ATBC person I think that to me the whole FTB thing reminds me of UD and you remind me a little of Ftk not taking any responsibility for what your "side" does but happy to tell us what we are doing wrong here and at FTB.
The reason FTB reminds me of UD is:
1. Commenters being banned and still being still referred to in comments without them being able to defend themselves.
2. People being banned for simply asking for evidence.
3. People being told that they don't understand ID/Feminism or being told a definition of ID/Feminism that is different to the way they practice it.
4. Refuting critics by ad-hominem. I've read the criticisms of Shermer, Thunderfoot, Ed Clint etal. and it consists of what horrible people they are and may take a line or two out of context but that's it.
5. Confusing criticism with harassment.
That's the reason I'm here because UD is pretty much dead, the creationist trolls seemed to have left Pandas Thumb. So watching PZ and co self destruct in their bubble is the only entertainment left.
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As requested by MetaLogic. Another dramatic reading.
This time of a comment on A+ by Flewellyn.
Feedback and requests appreciated. This took a fuckload more time than I anticipated.
This time of a comment on A+ by Flewellyn.
Feedback and requests appreciated. This took a fuckload more time than I anticipated.
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It's certainly a fine opinion, and many jokes can be construed as sexist or racist or whatever you like. Taking offense to something is perfectly fine. The issue with some people is that they can't just take offense to something and vocalize it, they have to take it 12 steps further and demonize the person making the joke and classify themselves as victims, because then nothing that happens is their fault. This idea of having no responsibility and no fault tends to link with depression, which is why I imagine so many of them are on medication.Reap wrote:
How did we ever survive without you louis? If I understand you correctly the answers you provided could also be provided in a much easier and shorter fashion, such as:
Yes and No, maybe
or
A, B, C, D, and All of the above -All written in answers could also be correct, or not
You are falling into the trap that has caught so many. Looking for the black/white holy grail when just learning to accept the gray would/could make you just as happy and then you could move on to important things. The problem is you aren't in anyone's head so you can never know for sure what they really meant. I understand you are presenting your opinion(s) and that's all well and good, we all have one.
This should throw an interesting twist into the mix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch_%28insult%29
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Jan Steen wrote:Apparently, there is a party going on here, celebrating the silencing of Nathalie Reed by the Slymepit. Where are the drinks? Where is everybody? Is this all happening in the secret forum that you have all been hiding from me?
Wait, I see posts in support of Nathalie Reed here. I'm confused now.
It can't be that the Pharyngulites are being dishonest, right?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments
Oh, I'm sure Louis will explain it all for us in a way our simple minds can understand.
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Please tell me, what is the best metric of the validity of somebody's argument, is it sign up date or post count?sacha wrote:
You are newer than she is
Saying "it was only a joke" is not a magic incantation which can stop a shit-storm dead in it's tracks. Have you been living in a cave for the last 2 years?sacha wrote: She was clearly joking. For the love of fuck
How can you possibly get your knickers in a twist over this, it was only a joke! (See above)sacha wrote:and speaking to Eucliwood as if you are her mother from the 1950's. go to your room and think about what you have done type comments should be reserved for people who pay for that type of kink.
You are a free speech advocate, we get it. You don't want her banned as a point of principle. I respect that. Maybe you would fight to the death for her right to say what she wants to say (and I agree with you over the content and value of her contribution), however it isn't your neck on the block.sacha wrote: blah, blah, blah
I have owned my current business about 11 years and during that time i have been threatened with court about 12-16 times. I have ended up in court 5 times. As yet i have never lost a case because I am always within the law.... but it has wasted hundreds of hours and a small fortune in legal fees. Most of which could have been avoided if I knew then what I know now. And thats just over issues like contracts, delap costs, car parking and damage... nothing in the league of supplying porn to a minor.
Lsuoma has been advised by a lawyer that they are within the law, what a layer could argue... I would personally advise that there is a wider margin so that the legality of what happens here isn't being pondered over by a prosecutor, News Corp, or Ophelia Benson. There is a good chance they will see it differently to Lsuoma's lawyer and chance their arm.
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1) Welcome! Fuck you.Socoral wrote:It's at the point I'd rather be considered a lurking FtBer. Seriously folks you have to step up your game on this one. I recognize the real criticism against JV reposting a dox and Colon sending flame bait directly at Ophelia, so why does anyone think all this talk about lawyering-up over a joke in a thread titled "Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs" is going to help anything.Michael K Gray wrote:Jesus H Christ on a crutch!rayshul wrote:Thanks for getting legal counsel on this Lsuoma. :)
This is beginning to sound like one of Ofeelya Bansome's threads, with all of the completely over-the-top scare-mongering "end-of-civilisation" koncern-bullshit about a very tiny joke.
I have to blame the the person who posted their tits for setting this whole thing off and ending up with a dumb thread name and a request for cock pictures that don't exist. Really sad no one recognizes the real credible threat to this place that highly potential poe poses. Just coming to offer the pictures up? Yeah this is going to end for everyone involved.
2) I highly doubt Vicky is a poe.
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But Louis isn't responsible for any of that. In any case, he didn't know about the mass bannination, and if we'd just rationally communicate with PZ and the commentariat, everything would be fine.Michael J wrote:Louis,
Being an ex-ATBC person I think that to me the whole FTB thing reminds me of UD and you remind me a little of Ftk not taking any responsibility for what your "side" does but happy to tell us what we are doing wrong here and at FTB.
The reason FTB reminds me of UD is:
1. Commenters being banned and still being still referred to in comments without them being able to defend themselves.
2. People being banned for simply asking for evidence.
3. People being told that they don't understand ID/Feminism or being told a definition of ID/Feminism that is different to the way they practice it.
4. Refuting critics by ad-hominem. I've read the criticisms of Shermer, Thunderfoot, Ed Clint etal. and it consists of what horrible people they are and may take a line or two out of context but that's it.
5. Confusing criticism with harassment.
That's the reason I'm here because UD is pretty much dead, the creationist trolls seemed to have left Pandas Thumb. So watching PZ and co self destruct in their bubble is the only entertainment left.
Louis is either the King of All Stupid Tits, or taking all the LSD.
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I like how in the comments of the thread on Pharyngula where PZ banned NoelPlum for daring to question the party line, someone posted an implication that we here at Slymepit want to commit genocide of the entire world's population of women, despite the fact that women are 51% of the 7 billion people that live on this planet, that all Slymepitters have women in their lives whom they care about, and many Slymepitters are, in fact, actual women.
The thing is, I really can't determine if people like PZ and his commenter circle-jerkers like Caine and Wowbagger are just cowardly fools who really don't have a clue about the shit they post, or if they are truly intellectually dishonest and manipulating the groupthink for the commenters who, while operating under the perpetual shadow of the perma-banhammer, won't bother to read opposing opinions, who reel in horror and respond with nothing but ad-hominems and garbage psychoanalysis that claims dissenters like NoelPlum have evil intentions, and in general misrepresent all opposing views with silly and childish strawmen laced with large amounts of personal and identity politics.
The thing is, I really can't determine if people like PZ and his commenter circle-jerkers like Caine and Wowbagger are just cowardly fools who really don't have a clue about the shit they post, or if they are truly intellectually dishonest and manipulating the groupthink for the commenters who, while operating under the perpetual shadow of the perma-banhammer, won't bother to read opposing opinions, who reel in horror and respond with nothing but ad-hominems and garbage psychoanalysis that claims dissenters like NoelPlum have evil intentions, and in general misrepresent all opposing views with silly and childish strawmen laced with large amounts of personal and identity politics.
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'Women in secularism' vs 'Men in secularism'
Pro-tip, the sexism is in the title.
You only have to ask yourselves how would the social justice FTB/skepchick/ atheism plus brigade collectively lose their shit if you had a conference for Men in secularism.
A quick look down the line up reveals its almost all privileged white women. Maybe its time they checked that privilege of theirs and treated their 'women in secularism' conference with the same social justice contempt they would treat a conference called 'privileged white men in secularism'
Pro-tip, the sexism is in the title.
You only have to ask yourselves how would the social justice FTB/skepchick/ atheism plus brigade collectively lose their shit if you had a conference for Men in secularism.
A quick look down the line up reveals its almost all privileged white women. Maybe its time they checked that privilege of theirs and treated their 'women in secularism' conference with the same social justice contempt they would treat a conference called 'privileged white men in secularism'
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And the thing is, the conference speeches by people like watson and Hensley will probably be about why they are being harassed on Twitter and not about real subjects everyday women face, especially minority women who are at much larger risk of actual societal oppression such as poverty and the penal system. they fail to see that they get blowback online for their attempting to make every issue about them personally and pulling out the victim card when they get called out for their manipulation, lies, hypocrisy and general bullshit. They don't speak for all women, they don't even speak for all secular women. They only speak for themselves but want to paint the image they are standing up for all women, basically play the martyr role, when they get criticized or mocked.anonymouse wrote:'Women in secularism' vs 'Men in secularism'
Pro-tip, the sexism is in the title.
You only have to ask yourselves how would the social justice FTB/skepchick/ atheism plus brigade collectively lose their shit if you had a conference for Men in secularism.
A quick look down the line up reveals its almost all privileged white women. Maybe its time they checked that privilege of theirs and treated their 'women in secularism' conference with the same social justice contempt they would treat a conference called 'privileged white men in secularism'
I hope the rest of the lineup who is not part of FTB and Skepchick can balance out that crap with some actual discussion of real problems, solutions and situations.
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Yup. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&p=28573&hilit=zappa#p28573John Greg wrote:Has this already been done?
The Pit, as viewed from FfTB (all misspellings are intentional):
[spoiler]I Am the Slyme
I am gross and perverted
I'm Schrödinger's deranged
I have existed for months
But very little has changed
I am the tool of misogynists
Mass murderers too
I am destined to rule
And haras you
I may be mordacious and indecious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm Mykeru
With all the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get
Have you felched me yet?
I am the slyme oozin' out
From the Slymepit net
You will obey me while I lead you
And Reap the sexism I feed you
Until the day that zi don't need you
Don't go for help; no one will Screed you
Your mind is inVaculated
It's Stufanellied into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until Surlyramics has to fold
That's right, folks
Don't touch that mouse
I am the slyme from the pit
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor
I am the slyme from the pit
Can't stop the Slymepeople, lookit me go!
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[with apple oagies to the late FZ][/spoiler]
You say we're gross and perverted
We're obsessed 'n' deranged
Somehow we twisted your fears
But you haven't explained
How we're the tool of the privileged
Patriarchy too
So we're destined to be rude
And excoriate you
We may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
We know you think we're delicious
With the stuff that we say
We're the best you can get
Have you guessed us yet?
We're the slyme oozin out
From your internet.
You will obey while Becky leads you
And eat the garbage 'phelia feeds you
Until the day PZ don't need you
Whine for help...no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into their mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold
That's right, folks..
Don't touch that Ramic!
Well, we are the slyme from your internet
Oozin along on your livin' room floor
We are the slyme from your internet
Cant stop the slyme, people, lookat us go!
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Looking at the answer provided by Lewis and the post by Oneiros666 above yours reminds me of the topic of academic mobbing written about by Kenneth Westhues, and his opinions on conflicting modes of discourse, which he labels as modern and postmodern.Michael J wrote:Louis,
Being an ex-ATBC person I think that to me the whole FTB thing reminds me of UD and you remind me a little of Ftk not taking any responsibility for what your "side" does but happy to tell us what we are doing wrong here and at FTB.
The reason FTB reminds me of UD is:
1. Commenters being banned and still being still referred to in comments without them being able to defend themselves.
2. People being banned for simply asking for evidence.
3. People being told that they don't understand ID/Feminism or being told a definition of ID/Feminism that is different to the way they practice it.
4. Refuting critics by ad-hominem. I've read the criticisms of Shermer, Thunderfoot, Ed Clint etal. and it consists of what horrible people they are and may take a line or two out of context but that's it.
5. Confusing criticism with harassment.
That's the reason I'm here because UD is pretty much dead, the creationist trolls seemed to have left Pandas Thumb. So watching PZ and co self destruct in their bubble is the only entertainment left.
http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/regiftedxmas12.html
Anyway he goes on to say:I call the temporally earlier mode of discourse modern, since it reflects rules of intellectual procedure associated with the Enlightenment, to which most of humanity's transformations, good and bad, these past few hundred years can be attributed, but traceable farther back (as Sailer points out) to the ancient Greeks. I call the second, temporally more recent mode of discourse postmodern, meaning the relativist, constructivist, anti-scientific mentality, the wholesale inversion of Enlightenment values, that has arisen since the 1960s, similar in some ways to traditional, premodern mentalities.
Which to my mind is typical baboon behaviour. Note that I am not saying that Lewis is a typical baboon (not yet anyway).Essentially, what I argue is that in many mobbing cases, a professor cultivating modern discourse in the classroom and other scholarly venues is charged, punished, humiliated, and sometimes eliminated by students, colleagues, and/or administrators of a postmodern bent.
I would encourage people to read the whole thing but for those without the inclination I am going to leave this part here:
Sounds familiar? It does to me.Postmodern discourse
Over the past half century, a competing mode of discourse, the one I call postmodern, has become steadily more entrenched in academe. Following are ten of its hallmarks, as Roberts and Sailer describe on their blogs:
• "persons and positions are ordinarily closely related," with little insistence on keeping personal identity separate from the questions or issues under discussion;
• "sensitivity, inclusivity, and inoffensiveness are key values";
• priority on "cooperation, collaboration, quietness, sedentariness, empathy, equality, non-competitiveness, conformity, a communal focus";
• "seems lacking in rationality and ideological challenge," in the eyes of proponents of modern discourse;
• tends to perceive the satire and criticism of modern discourse as "vicious and personal attack, driven by a hateful animus";
• is oriented to " the standard measures of grades, tests, and a closely defined curriculum";
• lacking "means by which to negotiate or accommodate such intractable differences within its mode of conversation," it will "typically resort to the most fiercely antagonistic, demonizing, and personal attacks upon the opposition";
• "will typically try, not to answer opponents with better arguments, but to silence them completely as ‘hateful’, ‘intolerant’, ‘bigoted’, ‘misogynistic’, ‘homophobic’, etc.";
• has a more feminine flavour, as opposed to the more masculine flavour of modern discourse;
• results in "stale monologues" and contexts that "seldom produce strong thought, but rather tend to become echo chambers."
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justinvacula wrote:My fundraiser has raised more money than Lousy Canuck's:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ecularism/
Canuck writes:Thanks for the amazing support! I've raised $691 in a short period of time:People have already donated $502, though Paypal took a cut so it’s really $483.33. So, I’m at 62% of my goal.
http://www.rockethub.com/projects/13633 ... cularism-2
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Well, to be honest, so? You've gotten more money to go to a conference. Huzzah?
Now, were i to be evil, and I kind of am, what would be interesting would be to take that money and instead donate it today, a local homeless shelter. Just to watch all the FTB lot spin it as a victory for their side because the eeeeevul people decided helping the homeless was more important than dick waving over a conference.
"THERE SO EVIL, THEY DONATED...no, wait, that's not evil...INSTEAD OF FACING US, THE COWARDS DONATED...no, wait, that just makes us look stupid, and like we wanted to send Jason there to disrupt things...SHIT, HOW DO WE SPIN THIS TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD???"
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They know perfectly well that a large part of their output consists of lies and misrepresentations. They think they are fighting a war where these tactics are excused for the greater cause. Ideologues do this routinely, and these people are nothing if not ideologues.16bitheretic wrote:[spoiler]I like how in the comments of the thread on Pharyngula where PZ banned NoelPlum for daring to question the party line, someone posted an implication that we here at Slymepit want to commit genocide of the entire world's population of women, despite the fact that women are 51% of the 7 billion people that live on this planet, that all Slymepitters have women in their lives whom they care about, and many Slymepitters are, in fact, actual women.[/spoiler]
The thing is, I really can't determine if people like PZ and his commenter circle-jerkers like Caine and Wowbagger are just cowardly fools who really don't have a clue about the shit they post, or if they are truly intellectually dishonest[spoiler]and manipulating the groupthink for the commenters who, while operating under the perpetual shadow of the perma-banhammer, won't bother to read opposing opinions, who reel in horror and respond with nothing but ad-hominems and garbage psychoanalysis that claims dissenters like NoelPlum have evil intentions, and in general misrepresent all opposing views with silly and childish strawmen laced with large amounts of personal and identity politics.[/spoiler]
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OMFSM how did I miss this. If only I could see this scenario play out in real life. I want one to hang over my sofa. The artist has achieved the ultimate in kitsch, and I must say captured Jen's ass perfectly.Gumby wrote:Seeing that "art" of the heroic FtB/Skepchick radfems bravely defending the cause by pointing umbrellas at rolling boulders gave me the itch to download Paint.NET and try it, per Ape+lust's suggestion. My first effort at layers and transparent backgrounds:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... d0d3a4.jpg
HA! HA!
OK, so it's extremely simple, total noob-level, but it's a start. Thanks Ape+lust, I'm going to have fun practicing with this!
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I can congratulate Eucli on staying with it to try to adapt to the 'pit's ways after a rough start, but that's it. I don't read her posts, so she doesn't piss me off at all. As far as that goes, she can stay or leave as she wishes.Scented Nectar wrote:Yes. This. Exactly what Somenotsodumbguy wrote.somedumbguy wrote:[spoiler]I think Eucliwood is joking here, but I cannot be certain. I think she has shown terrible judgment in the recent past...., I finally open up a quote of yours and it's about insulting me? If you want to play the paranoia-minor card, how about you leave me alone? You look kind of creepy insulting a minor whenever you can. What's that about? I'm scared.
Did I mention that I've been in contact with agents before? They're very minor-shield happy... I can find her card somewhere... if not, I'll just walk down to the department. Policemen also run in the family.
I'm not kidding about having to be in the presence of FBI workers before. I'm tired of your shit, though, so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it. YOU'RE the only one in any danger of landing in trouble, using honey pot insults against me. That is so old.
I read this as a threat (and far more likely to occur than anything Conlon said) that deserves either moderation or banning.
The entire form of this quote from her reads as a classic case of how a false accusation is justified by its perpetrator.[/spoiler]
If this were Lost in Space, Robot would be swinging his arms maniacally while yelling "danger! danger! false accusation ahead!"
Also, does the fact that we know a minor is a member, mean that we can't post adult/nsfw pics to the board in general? If we know she's here, she can claim we showed her NSFW type stuff to her in a forum that was G rated, since we allow minors. She's an accusation trap.
Let's not allow minors and stay adult rated. If we allow minors, we'll be expected to protect them from certain things, even if they themselves are posting those things.
But all of that is completely irrelevant to the underage thing. There are just too many pitfalls in allowing minors on the site, assuming she is actually a minor. Not that that will stop a possible investigation if some interested party wants to make allegations that may or may not have anything to do with reality. That party doesn't have to be Eucli (and I'm sure we can all think of folks who would love to fight "terrorism" by getting the 'pit shut down, even temporarily), but her insinuating a threat about police reports is exactly the wrong thing to do if you know you have caused concern about the "adult content" issue. Even if the original asking for photos was a joke, and I believe it was, suggesting a false report (even to the internet police) is just plain stupid if you are at all concerned about staying on the board.
Yes, minors, it is condescending. Tough. We adults are condescended to by all kinds of dumb authority and we rail against it as we will, so get ready for a long haul if you intend to get older. The only apparent bonus is that you will get to condescend to the next cohort coming through behind you. Turns out though, there is little pleasure in it.
I don't like bans and they shouldn't be needed. The adult thing would be for Eucli to recognise the problem, see that the larger goals of the 'pit my be hurt by her staying here even through no action or intent of hers, and leave voluntarily.